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MattyJam

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Was gonna see Lenny Kravitz in concert until I found he LIP-SYNCS

So I was really digging the song Low from his last album and thought I'd check out some live performances on YouTube. First one I watched was on Ellen, which was lip-synched, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt, as a lot of artists lip-synch on TV shows, but then I saw footage from his recent live shows, and he was lip-syncing it in concerts too.

I expected more from an artist like Lenny. It's not as if he even has an excuse of being a dancer/elaborate stage showman ala MJ, Beyonce etc. There really is no excuse for Lenny Kravitz to be faking it at a concert, and it's totally put me off ever going to see him.
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Reply #1 posted 04/29/19 9:47am

Empress

I'm shocked to hear this. I've seen Lenny perform many times in concert and I've always had very good seats too and I've never suspected lip-syncing. Lenny has a good voice and doesn't have to resort to this, so I hope you are wrong or perhaps there is a reason for him doing it on the footage you saw. I'm a big fan, so I hope he hasn't stooped this low or I won't be paying good money to go see him again.

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Reply #2 posted 04/29/19 10:11am

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Empress said:

I'm shocked to hear this. I've seen Lenny perform many times in concert and I've always had very good seats too and I've never suspected lip-syncing. Lenny has a good voice and doesn't have to resort to this, so I hope you are wrong or perhaps there is a reason for him doing it on the footage you saw. I'm a big fan, so I hope he hasn't stooped this low or I won't be paying good money to go see him again.




I saw three different shows uploaded onto Youtube by fans, and he was lip-synching the song Low in all three.

I didn't check out the rest of his set, but he was 100% lip-synching Low in those three shows.
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Reply #3 posted 04/29/19 3:02pm

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I seen him in concert twice. He didn't lip sync during either show.
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Reply #4 posted 04/29/19 11:01pm

MattyJam

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Fan-filmed YouTube videos don't lie. Watch it for yourself:

https://m.youtube.com/wat...dNxZ3ti7wQ
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Reply #5 posted 04/30/19 12:30am

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MattyJam said:

Fan-filmed YouTube videos don't lie. Watch it for yourself:

https://m.youtube.com/wat...dNxZ3ti7wQ


I'm not doubting what you're saying. I don't need to look at the videos. I'm just saying that he didn't lip sync at either show that I went to.
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Reply #6 posted 04/30/19 2:12am

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Maybe he was inspired by Michael. evillol

Weird, though, as it's not obvious why. It doesn't seem like it's particularly high or hard to sing. I can only hazard a guess that either he feels like there's something special about that vocal that he can't reproduce live, or he gets choked up singing 'with Michael' and does it to take the edge off.

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Reply #7 posted 04/30/19 3:28am

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A lot, and I mean a lot, of artists these days use a mixture of playback and live vocals. That video posted there looks fairly standard, to me it looks like he's singing a live lead vocal with canned backing vocals. I'm not fan of it myself, i'd rather it all be live and it sound slightly worse over it sounding perfect, but that's just me.

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Reply #8 posted 04/30/19 12:14pm

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My Wife and I saw Lenny on his current Tour in Atlanta recently. He definitely wasn't lip-syncing. But, he was using lots of pre-recorded backing vocals. I never have been a fan of that type of thing. Perhaps he was trying to save money on his tour budget, rather than pay for singers.

Slightly off-topic, but we also saw Yanni recently, and even he was using some pre-recorded backing tracks for the music.

It seems in todays industry, in an effort to save money, shortcuts are now being taken on tour.

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Reply #9 posted 04/30/19 1:11pm

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BS. Just saw him live 7 hours ago. No lipsyncing.
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Reply #10 posted 04/30/19 1:32pm

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PatrickS77 said:

BS. Just saw him live 7 hours ago. No lipsyncing.

Are you denying that he is lip-synching in the video I posted above?
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Reply #11 posted 04/30/19 3:18pm

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MattyJam said:

PatrickS77 said:
BS. Just saw him live 7 hours ago. No lipsyncing.
Are you denying that he is lip-synching in the video I posted above?

Yes. I am. Where is he lip-synching??

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Reply #12 posted 04/30/19 3:30pm

MattyJam

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PatrickS77 said:



MattyJam said:


PatrickS77 said:
BS. Just saw him live 7 hours ago. No lipsyncing.

Are you denying that he is lip-synching in the video I posted above?


Yes. I am. Where is he lip-synching??



The entire lead vocal is lip-synched. If you can’t hear that, you either don’t know the song well or are really bad at spotting when an artist is using playback.
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Reply #13 posted 04/30/19 3:45pm

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How can you necessarily tell if someone is lip syncing unless they are using a very old recording and their current voice has changed dramatically since then due to age, smoking etc.

To me it sounds like he is singing live, but there are pre recorded backing vocals since I don’t see any backing vocals singers in that video.
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Reply #14 posted 04/30/19 4:23pm

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That certainly cannot be true.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #15 posted 04/30/19 4:46pm

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MattyJam said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yes. I am. Where is he lip-synching??

The entire lead vocal is lip-synched. If you can’t hear that, you either don’t know the song well or are really bad at spotting when an artist is using playback.


Why? Because you say so? Because you're the only one knowing the song well? Because you're the lip-sync spotter where thousands of people, who actually saw him live, haven't noticed anything? I just love it when some self-proclaimed "expert" assumes something against what everyone else is saying and states it as fact, gets on a soap box and blasts an artist for it.




Glindathegood said:

To me it sounds like he is singing live, but there are pre recorded backing vocals since I don’t see any backing vocals singers in that video.


The bassist and the drummer are singing backing vocals, but it seems like there is also a track of Lenny's background vocals in there (or they are really good at sounding close... either way, doesn't really matter), but since he's not pretending to be singing that, it doesn't qualify as lip-syncing.

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Reply #16 posted 04/30/19 5:00pm

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MattyJam said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yes. I am. Where is he lip-synching??

The entire lead vocal is lip-synched. If you can’t hear that, you either don’t know the song well or are really bad at spotting when an artist is using playback.

Or maybe you are just wrong, as usual!!

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Reply #17 posted 04/30/19 11:23pm

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PatrickS77 said:



MattyJam said:


PatrickS77 said:



Yes. I am. Where is he lip-synching??



The entire lead vocal is lip-synched. If you can’t hear that, you either don’t know the song well or are really bad at spotting when an artist is using playback.



Why? Because you say so? Because you're the only one knowing the song well? Because you're the lip-sync spotter where thousands of people, who actually saw him live, haven't noticed anything? I just love it when some self-proclaimed "expert" assumes something against what everyone else is saying and states it as fact, gets on a soap box and blasts an artist for it.









Glindathegood said:


To me it sounds like he is singing live, but there are pre recorded backing vocals since I don’t see any backing vocals singers in that video.



The bassist and the drummer are singing backing vocals, but it seems like there is also a track of Lenny's background vocals in there (or they are really good at sounding close... either way, doesn't really matter), but since he's not pretending to be singing that, it doesn't qualify as lip-syncing.

[Edited 4/30/19 17:03pm]



There are no live vocals on that performance
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Reply #18 posted 04/30/19 11:29pm

MattyJam

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PatrickS77 said:



MattyJam said:


PatrickS77 said:



Yes. I am. Where is he lip-synching??



The entire lead vocal is lip-synched. If you can’t hear that, you either don’t know the song well or are really bad at spotting when an artist is using playback.



Why? Because you say so? Because you're the only one knowing the song well? Because you're the lip-sync spotter where thousands of people, who actually saw him live, haven't noticed anything? I just love it when some self-proclaimed "expert" assumes something against what everyone else is saying and states it as fact, gets on a soap box and blasts an artist for it.









Glindathegood said:


To me it sounds like he is singing live, but there are pre recorded backing vocals since I don’t see any backing vocals singers in that video.



The bassist and the drummer are singing backing vocals, but it seems like there is also a track of Lenny's background vocals in there (or they are really good at sounding close... either way, doesn't really matter), but since he's not pretending to be singing that, it doesn't qualify as lip-syncing.

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I get it you just saw him in concert and don't want to admit to yourself that he lip-synced. But it don't take a rocket scientist to tell if someone is using playback. If the lead vocal is completely indistinguishable from the original, without the tiniest nuance of difference, then that almost always means someone is faking it.

I like Lenny as an artist, but will call someone out if I think they're cheating their audience. Don't shoot the messenger just because you're too in denial to face the truth. I've got some more sobering news for you, Billie Jean on Motown 25 was playback and Santa Claus isn't real.
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Reply #19 posted 05/01/19 12:44am

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MattyJam said:

PatrickS77 said:



MattyJam said:


PatrickS77 said:



Yes. I am. Where is he lip-synching??



The entire lead vocal is lip-synched. If you can’t hear that, you either don’t know the song well or are really bad at spotting when an artist is using playback.



Why? Because you say so? Because you're the only one knowing the song well? Because you're the lip-sync spotter where thousands of people, who actually saw him live, haven't noticed anything? I just love it when some self-proclaimed "expert" assumes something against what everyone else is saying and states it as fact, gets on a soap box and blasts an artist for it.









Glindathegood said:


To me it sounds like he is singing live, but there are pre recorded backing vocals since I don’t see any backing vocals singers in that video.



The bassist and the drummer are singing backing vocals, but it seems like there is also a track of Lenny's background vocals in there (or they are really good at sounding close... either way, doesn't really matter), but since he's not pretending to be singing that, it doesn't qualify as lip-syncing.

[Edited 4/30/19 17:03pm]



I get it you just saw him in concert and don't want to admit to yourself that he lip-synced. But it don't take a rocket scientist to tell if someone is using playback. If the lead vocal is completely indistinguishable from the original, without the tiniest nuance of difference, then that almost always means someone is faking it.

I like Lenny as an artist, but will call someone out if I think they're cheating their audience. Don't shoot the messenger just because you're too in denial to face the truth. I've got some more sobering news for you, Billie Jean on Motown 25 was playback and Santa Claus isn't real.
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Santa Claus isn't real? I don't believe it.
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Reply #20 posted 05/01/19 1:02am

Glindathegood

MattyJam said:

PatrickS77 said:



MattyJam said:


PatrickS77 said:



Yes. I am. Where is he lip-synching??



The entire lead vocal is lip-synched. If you can’t hear that, you either don’t know the song well or are really bad at spotting when an artist is using playback.



Why? Because you say so? Because you're the only one knowing the song well? Because you're the lip-sync spotter where thousands of people, who actually saw him live, haven't noticed anything? I just love it when some self-proclaimed "expert" assumes something against what everyone else is saying and states it as fact, gets on a soap box and blasts an artist for it.










Glindathegood said:


To me it sounds like he is singing live, but there are pre recorded backing vocals since I don’t see any backing vocals singers in that video.



The bassist and the drummer are singing backing vocals, but it seems like there is also a track of Lenny's background vocals in there (or they are really good at sounding close... either way, doesn't really matter), but since he's not pretending to be singing that, it doesn't qualify as lip-syncing.

[Edited 4/30/19 17:03pm]



I get it you just saw him in concert and don't want to admit to yourself that he lip-synced. But it don't take a rocket scientist to tell if someone is using playback. If the lead vocal is completely indistinguishable from the original, without the tiniest nuance of difference, then that almost always means someone is faking it.

I like Lenny as an artist, but will call someone out if I think they're cheating their audience. Don't shoot the messenger just because you're too in denial to face the truth. I've got some more sobering news for you, Billie Jean on Motown 25 was playback and Santa Claus isn't real.
[Edited 4/30/19 23:30pm]


Isn’t it possible though someone could sound almost the same as the studio recording if it’s a relatively recent recording and their voice hasn’t deteriorated or otherwise changed with age? I don’t think Lenny’s voice has changed. I don’t think it’s as easy to tell as you say.
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Reply #21 posted 05/01/19 1:49am

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Glindathegood said:

MattyJam said:



I get it you just saw him in concert and don't want to admit to yourself that he lip-synced. But it don't take a rocket scientist to tell if someone is using playback. If the lead vocal is completely indistinguishable from the original, without the tiniest nuance of difference, then that almost always means someone is faking it.

I like Lenny as an artist, but will call someone out if I think they're cheating their audience. Don't shoot the messenger just because you're too in denial to face the truth. I've got some more sobering news for you, Billie Jean on Motown 25 was playback and Santa Claus isn't real.
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Isn’t it possible though someone could sound almost the same as the studio recording if it’s a relatively recent recording and their voice hasn’t deteriorated or otherwise changed with age? I don’t think Lenny’s voice has changed. I don’t think it’s as easy to tell as you say.

It is virtually impossible, even for a singer in their prime, to recreate a studio quality vocal in a live setting where it sounds EXACTLY the same. And then if you watch multiple videos where the vocals are identical, no little changes in intonation or pitch, it’s a telltale sign of lip-syncing.
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Reply #22 posted 05/01/19 2:10am

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Looking through the videos on youtube and it seems a lot of people are saying these songs are playback. LOL always knew Lenny was phony rubbish lol

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Reply #23 posted 05/01/19 1:23pm

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maybe it was to take away the attention if his thing falls out of his pants again

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Reply #24 posted 05/02/19 12:08pm

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I'm fairly certain it's just Low that he Lipsyncs to.

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bluegangsta said:

I'm fairly certain it's just Low that he Lipsyncs to.



That makes sense. The two times I went to see him he sang live throughout both shows. But that was before Low came out. He probably just doesn't feel comfortable singing that particular song live. Which isn't unusual. A lot of artists lipsync parts of their concerts. Michael Jackson was notorious for it.
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Reply #26 posted 05/02/19 1:26pm

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MattyJam said:

PatrickS77 said:


The bassist and the drummer are singing backing vocals, but it seems like there is also a track of Lenny's background vocals in there (or they are really good at sounding close... either way, doesn't really matter), but since he's not pretending to be singing that, it doesn't qualify as lip-syncing.

[Edited 4/30/19 17:03pm]

I get it you just saw him in concert and don't want to admit to yourself that he lip-synced. But it don't take a rocket scientist to tell if someone is using playback. If the lead vocal is completely indistinguishable from the original, without the tiniest nuance of difference, then that almost always means someone is faking it. I like Lenny as an artist, but will call someone out if I think they're cheating their audience. Don't shoot the messenger just because you're too in denial to face the truth. I've got some more sobering news for you, Billie Jean on Motown 25 was playback and Santa Claus isn't real. [Edited 4/30/19 23:30pm]

Why would I "don't want to admit to yourself that he lip-synced." and "you're too in denial to face the truth."?? It's not that my life's happiness is hinging on whether something is live or not. I couldn't care less of what you think is sung live or not (it's just ironic coming fom an MJ fan), as it's just that, your aussumption. So far it's you in denial, denying yourself out of a great concert that I and thousands of others enjoyed.

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Reply #27 posted 05/02/19 4:01pm

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I'm fairly certain it's just Low that he Lipsyncs to.

Certainly no crime in that. It is a strange choice given he could choose not to include this song on the setlist. Good song but hardly essential.

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Reply #28 posted 05/03/19 5:18am

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PatrickS77 said:



MattyJam said:


PatrickS77 said:




The bassist and the drummer are singing backing vocals, but it seems like there is also a track of Lenny's background vocals in there (or they are really good at sounding close... either way, doesn't really matter), but since he's not pretending to be singing that, it doesn't qualify as lip-syncing.


[Edited 4/30/19 17:03pm]



I get it you just saw him in concert and don't want to admit to yourself that he lip-synced. But it don't take a rocket scientist to tell if someone is using playback. If the lead vocal is completely indistinguishable from the original, without the tiniest nuance of difference, then that almost always means someone is faking it. I like Lenny as an artist, but will call someone out if I think they're cheating their audience. Don't shoot the messenger just because you're too in denial to face the truth. I've got some more sobering news for you, Billie Jean on Motown 25 was playback and Santa Claus isn't real. [Edited 4/30/19 23:30pm]


Why would I "don't want to admit to yourself that he lip-synced." and "you're too in denial to face the truth."?? It's not that my life's happiness is hinging on whether something is live or not. I couldn't care less of what you think is sung live or not (it's just ironic coming fom an MJ fan), as it's just that, your aussumption. So far it's you in denial, denying yourself out of a great concert that I and thousands of others enjoyed.




Fair enough. I love me some Lenny, so I ain't hating. His new record is great and his back catalogue speaks for itself, imo. Just was genuinely shocked/disappointed to see him lip-syncing in a concert.

Saw a recent setlist and the show looks pretty cool, so I'm still tempted to go see him.
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Reply #29 posted 05/03/19 5:49am

Empress

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PatrickS77 said:

Why would I "don't want to admit to yourself that he lip-synced." and "you're too in denial to face the truth."?? It's not that my life's happiness is hinging on whether something is live or not. I couldn't care less of what you think is sung live or not (it's just ironic coming fom an MJ fan), as it's just that, your aussumption. So far it's you in denial, denying yourself out of a great concert that I and thousands of others enjoyed.

Fair enough. I love me some Lenny, so I ain't hating. His new record is great and his back catalogue speaks for itself, imo. Just was genuinely shocked/disappointed to see him lip-syncing in a concert. Saw a recent setlist and the show looks pretty cool, so I'm still tempted to go see him.

I'll go see Lenny when he makes his way back to Toronto. I've seen him 6-7 times and he always puts on a great show, but I will be watching for any lip -syncing, and if I see it, I won't go see him again. His latest cd is excellent and I agree that his back catalogue speaks for itself. He's written some really great songs over the years. I love the Johnny Cash song on his latest and the story about that is very moving.

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