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Reply #60 posted 01/14/19 3:18pm

onlyforaminute

I'm all for another label. If he didn't have a childhood neither did his other umpteen siblings. He had his eccentricities like a zillion other people. Now whether he was messing with kids I need more proof.
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Reply #61 posted 01/14/19 4:04pm

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purple05 said:

bboy87 said:

That's the same many people around him said.

While he was a "big kid" (which I moreso was him being a geek), he could be very shrewd and ruthless when it came to business

I think the ‘man child’ label is overplayed. MJ like you stated was geeky(in some ways) and liked to do silly stuff that people felt was juvenile. They way people describe him is like he was mentally retarded.

thumbs up!

MJ alluded that he knew was stunted to an extent due to his experiences as a child star, that he had difficulty relating and even socializing with people. He said he "knew something was wrong" with him, in that talking to people in general wasn't really easy for him

but you're right, some people make him out to be nearly braindead and that kills their credibility and people on the other side of the extreme are just as bad.

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Reply #62 posted 01/14/19 4:34pm

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https://en.m.wikipedia.or...n_Chandler Shot himself in the head a few months after MJ died. Son estranged from dad before that. Seems an odd circumstance if what he claimed was true.

is this the guy who wrote that book with photos of underwear?

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Reply #63 posted 01/14/19 4:56pm

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bboy87 said:



purple05 said:


bboy87 said:


That's the same many people around him said.



While he was a "big kid" (which I moreso was him being a geek), he could be very shrewd and ruthless when it came to business



I think the ‘man child’ label is overplayed. MJ like you stated was geeky(in some ways) and liked to do silly stuff that people felt was juvenile. They way people describe him is like he was mentally retarded.


thumbs up!


MJ alluded that he knew was stunted to an extent due to his experiences as a child star, that he had difficulty relating and even socializing with people. He said he "knew something was wrong" with him, in that talking to people in general wasn't really easy for him



but you're right, some people make him out to be nearly braindead and that kills their credibility and people on the other side of the extreme are just as bad.

[Edited 1/14/19 16:05pm]


What MJ described was being socially awkward and shy.
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Reply #64 posted 01/14/19 11:08pm

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purple05 said:

bboy87 said:



purple05 said:


bboy87 said:


That's the same many people around him said.



While he was a "big kid" (which I moreso was him being a geek), he could be very shrewd and ruthless when it came to business



I think the ‘man child’ label is overplayed. MJ like you stated was geeky(in some ways) and liked to do silly stuff that people felt was juvenile. They way people describe him is like he was mentally retarded.


thumbs up!


MJ alluded that he knew was stunted to an extent due to his experiences as a child star, that he had difficulty relating and even socializing with people. He said he "knew something was wrong" with him, in that talking to people in general wasn't really easy for him



but you're right, some people make him out to be nearly braindead and that kills their credibility and people on the other side of the extreme are just as bad.

[Edited 1/14/19 16:05pm]


What MJ described was being socially awkward and shy.


Thank you for interpreting Michael’s statement correctly.
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Reply #65 posted 01/14/19 11:11pm

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TrivialPursuit said:




Dalia11 said:


He acted childlike because he did not have a childhood!


I'm calling bullshit. There are plenty of people who have an interrupted childhood and do anywhere near the things MJ did. That was a convenient excuse, but I don't believe it. Now, MJ can do whatever he wanted with his life, his money, etc. I believe he cared about children and wanted to help them. He had the means to create a playground and a safe place for them. That's amazing.

But he was "childlike" because he didn't have a childhood? Bullshit.




But people are not all the same. One person might go through a breaktup and develop depression and suicidal tendencies, another might be just fine. Personal experience on the matter can't be used to determine wheter it's "correct" or not to someone to have developed some sort of psychological anomaly to deal with angst from not having had a "normal childhood".



If you watch MJ's home videos on youtube, he didn't really acted "childish" during his daily routine, he literally talked to kids the way they talked to them. He wasn't childish when he had Elizabeth Taylor for christmas, for instance. I doubt he acted "childish" when spending time with Lisa Marie, for instance.



(I'm a bachelor in social and clinical psychology, btw razz ).

Yeah, even though we all do it, you can't compare yourself to other people like that. What's good enough for you isn't automatically good enough for someone else and vice-versa.

Michael was childlike (nothing wrong with that BTW) and shy but also intelligent and shrewd. People tend to stress the former over the latter when there was more to the man than that.
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Reply #66 posted 01/14/19 11:13pm

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purple05 said:


Idk what juror you seen because their interview immediately after the trial is on YouTube and they recently did a special and most said they didn’t believe the accusations. So you’re lying. There were a few that changed their tune when it was book writing time but that’s it. Many did not believe the accusations, especially the accusers at hand.


I'm not lying. One of them called into the local radio the day after when I happened to be listening (sounded like an old white lady) and said exactly that.


The old white lady you are speaking of didn’t believe grifter accuser and mom. She only changed her mind when it was time to write a book.
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Reply #67 posted 01/15/19 6:51am

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onlyforaminute said:

I'm all for another label. If he didn't have a childhood neither did his other umpteen siblings.


a) Michael was younger than his sibblings
b) Michael always was the center of attention
c) Everyone reacts differently to a certain set of circumstances

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Reply #68 posted 01/15/19 8:38am

onlyforaminute

PatrickS77 said:



onlyforaminute said:


I'm all for another label. If he didn't have a childhood neither did his other umpteen siblings.


a) Michael was younger than his sibblings
b) Michael always was the center of attention
c) Everyone reacts differently to a certain set of circumstances




a. Not quite

b. Maybe on stage to fans

c. True but there can be a host of other explanations too
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Reply #69 posted 01/15/19 2:00pm

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onlyforaminute said:

PatrickS77 said:


a) Michael was younger than his sibblings
b) Michael always was the center of attention
c) Everyone reacts differently to a certain set of circumstances

a. Not quite b. Maybe on stage to fans c. True but there can be a host of other explanations too

a) in the group, yes he was the youngest of the 5. He was 5 when they added him to the group and 9 when they signed to Motown.

Jackie was 16
Tito was 14

Jermaine was 13
Marlon was 11.

b) to the fans, press and those at Motown. People at the label like Suzanne DePasse have said Michael was the main focus, Jermaine was 2nd in attention, and Jackie, Tito, and Marlon were kinda, "just there". He had the most responsibility and had to the most work.

at 9:35

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Reply #70 posted 01/15/19 8:55pm

purple05

Free2BMe said:

purple05 said:


What MJ described was being socially awkward and shy.


Thank you for interpreting Michael’s statement correctly.

People take that stuff too far. Even fans. He was socially awkward and shy mainly due to insecurity he experienced in his teen years and because he was sheltered. It seems the years in his youth after they stopped having hits greatly affected him. There’s one interview where his mother says the stage changed him. He basically became withdrawn and shy vs being outgoing as a youth
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Reply #71 posted 01/15/19 8:56pm

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onlyforaminute said:

I'm all for another label. If he didn't have a childhood neither did his other umpteen siblings. He had his eccentricities like a zillion other people. Now whether he was messing with kids I need more proof.

The difference between MJ and his brothers is that he was a child star and he became more famous in later years. Had he never had the later solo success he still would’ve likely had issues that many child stars face. None of them were child stars.
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Reply #72 posted 01/15/19 10:16pm

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purple05 said:

Free2BMe said:
Thank you for interpreting Michael’s statement correctly.
People take that stuff too far. Even fans. He was socially awkward and shy mainly due to insecurity he experienced in his teen years and because he was sheltered. It seems the years in his youth after they stopped having hits greatly affected him. There’s one interview where his mother says the stage changed him. He basically became withdrawn and shy vs being outgoing as a youth

I don't think what I said took anything too far.

He was a child star and had a lot of responsibility on him at a young age. That caused him to be stunted on a social level. He didn't have the chance to experience things and socialize like other kids

I may have worded it wrong, so it's my screwup and I apologize. I've always argued MJ wasn't the airheaded, near braindead man child some people sometimes try to make him out to be.

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #73 posted 01/16/19 7:05am

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bboy87 said:

purple05 said:

Free2BMe said: People take that stuff too far. Even fans. He was socially awkward and shy mainly due to insecurity he experienced in his teen years and because he was sheltered. It seems the years in his youth after they stopped having hits greatly affected him. There’s one interview where his mother says the stage changed him. He basically became withdrawn and shy vs being outgoing as a youth

I don't think what I said took anything too far.

He was a child star and had a lot of responsibility on him at a young age. That caused him to be stunted on a social level. He didn't have the chance to experience things and socialize like other kids

I may have worded it wrong, so it's my screwup and I apologize. I've always argued MJ wasn't the airheaded, near braindead man child some people sometimes try to make him out to be.


The more discomforting the thought he found solace in the company of kids.
You're either Peter Pan, or you're not. It doesn't match with the performance-obsessed guy
who wrote 100 millions on his mirror to motivate himself. That's not an innocent or pure intent.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #74 posted 01/17/19 1:45am

SoulAlive

I just don't understand what is the purpose of a documentary like this,when Michael is dead and not here to defend himself.Seems rather pointless to me.I certainly won't watch it.

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Reply #75 posted 01/17/19 2:30am

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SoulAlive said:

I just don't understand what is the purpose of a documentary like this,when Michael is dead and not here to defend himself.Seems rather pointless to me.I certainly won't watch it.

Yeah. It's just a smear campaign designed to make money.

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Reply #76 posted 01/17/19 7:14am

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PatrickS77 said:



SoulAlive said:


I just don't understand what is the purpose of a documentary like this,when Michael is dead and not here to defend himself.Seems rather pointless to me.I certainly won't watch it.




Yeah. It's just a smear campaign designed to make money.


They’re hoping for an RKelly type situation. I hope it backfires
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Reply #77 posted 01/17/19 3:58pm

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"eye feel like we're on the brink of something. It's going 2 B strict & wild & pretty" prince
This nomination is not just 4 me; it’s 4 prince & 4 the fans.prince truly did whatever prince needed 2 do 2 make the fans happy.prince gave his life 4 his fans. Ms E
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Reply #78 posted 01/17/19 4:37pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

I wish this could have waited and been aired AFTER March, after my Janet gets inducted. Hopefully it won't overshadow her induction ceremony.



Hahaha. Yeah, they better make sure they get their priorities right.
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Reply #79 posted 01/17/19 6:13pm

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EmmaMcG said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I wish this could have waited and been aired AFTER March, after my Janet gets inducted. Hopefully it won't overshadow her induction ceremony.

Hahaha. Yeah, they better make sure they get their priorities right.

prince

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"eye feel like we're on the brink of something. It's going 2 B strict & wild & pretty" prince
This nomination is not just 4 me; it’s 4 prince & 4 the fans.prince truly did whatever prince needed 2 do 2 make the fans happy.prince gave his life 4 his fans. Ms E
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Reply #80 posted 01/17/19 8:23pm

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Free2BMe said:

oceanblue said:

Truth is, we will never know the real truth about the sexual allegations about Michael Jackson, because the only one that knows the real truth, is God, Michael Jackson, and those involved in the accusations, or who knew Michael Jackson personally and intimately, and were really involved in his life. Michael Jackson was a peculiar man, who sometimes did peculiar things, and because of that, many didn't know whether the allegations were true or not, and they still don't know. I think that because of who Michael was ( a naive, somewhat gullible man-boy that didn't seem to want to grow up) and some of the strange things he did, that people will always have a question mark in their minds about him, and what he did or didn't do.



Truth is that we DO know the truth. The evidence is there all to see, but some people are just too damn lazy to read the FACTs. Some people just want to accept what they THiNK. You can bet that MJ fans and defenders are activists, when it comes to defending Michael. We researched EVERY piece of evidence-pro and con. We know every word that the accuser’s uttered in their accusations, how time lines were altered by the prosecution to fit those accusations, receipts when accuser said one thing and receipts showed another and this is a fraction of what the evidence showed that proved Michael’s innocence. Yes, Michael was too trusting when it came to these grifters and accusers. Being naive or trusting does not equate with being guilty of abuse. The only question mark is from people who WANT to believe that Michael did something wrong and are just too lazy or don’t care about the truth. That’s their problem, not Michael’s. He can’t be hurt anymore;but, his fans will never stop defending his name and pointing out the LIES from scum like Wade Robson, in this latest vendetta.


With a top-notch defence team that you're paying MILLIONS to defend you....anything can be skewed
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Reply #81 posted 01/17/19 8:29pm

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Free2BMe said:

bonatoc said:



Free2BMe said:


bonatoc said:

Still, accusations aside, I don't know anyone who confuses his living-room with his bedroom, or a couch with his bed.
Very happy for the women who found his bed confortable. I still find the behaviour to be odd, to say the least.
There is clearly a lack of boundaries, or understanding of what intimacy is or means.
Again, given Michael's upbringing, kind of understandable. Much less coming from other people,
although I can understand everyone likes to fall back into childhood, and maybe that's what Michael's bedroom was,
an opportunity for everyone entering it to behave like a child.
Yeah, still odd in my book.



Who said anything about confusing a bedroom from a living room or a couch from a bed? We are not speaking of your house or mine. Maybe you only go into your bedroom to sleep and wouldn’t have anyone in it. All of Michael’s nieces, nephews love to go into Michael’s room. That’s the first place people, especially children, would ask to go. Nicole Richie, Lionel’s daughter, said that she was st Neverland as a kid all the time and in Micharl’s room. Only a sick, perverted mind would equate that with sex. I know I wouldn’t be thinking about sex if kids piled in my room and Michael didn’t either. Lisa Marie said kids would do that when she lived at Neverland with Michael.


Sorry for the pun, but there is more to life than seeing it either black or white.
I suggest you ask around you if an adult's bedroom is the room where kids should play.
I think you're in for a shock about how many "sick and perverted mind" (I prefer to call them prudent adults) there are in the world.

It's not about sex, but being able to separate the adult world and the kids world.
But from what I understand Michael's bedroom was literally a kid's bedroom.
Maybe it won't be news to you, but here: kids play pillow fight, and sometimes quite naturally, things get a little tickly tickly.
Innoncent stuff, but the premices of sexual intercourse are there: they are the first innocent forays into sexuality.
While it's OK between kids, I personally cringe at this happening between a 30 year old male and underage kids.
I would gladly believe Michael was an angel and above us all in terms of human needs and urges. But the truth is, no one knows.



Surely, you know that these kids played on the amusement rides, train, swimming pool, went to the movie theater that were all on the property at Neverland. They weren’t in Michael’s room 24/7. You seem to be saying that a man can’t play with kids without something sexual going on. Least you forget, Michael’s three children were also at Neverland at one time. Are you saying that a 30 or 40 year man can’t have a pillow fight or play with his kids, his nieces/ nephews and other kids without being sexually attracted to them. How sad if you or anyone else thinks that way.I don’t know if you have children, if you do, I would hope that people wouldn’t think you playing with them means that you are attracted to them sexually. Can you imagine how that would completely destroy you? Think about what you just posted and put yourself in Michael’s place. Being innocent and people accusing you of a heinous act, when you know that you are 1000% innocent. neutral

Why repeatedly put yourself in a position where things can be misconstrued? Especially after the first accusation.
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Reply #82 posted 01/17/19 8:33pm

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Free2BMe said:

oceanblue said:

^^"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things" 1 Corinthians 13:11.....can't deny the truth of that!



Amazing how that scripture applies to a lot of people who are too childish, weak and immature to decipher the truth from lies, innuendo and gossip. It’s a shame that some people think that they are mature and can’t think for themselves. I call them “followers”because they rely on others to think for them. They depend on anything other than the FACTs starring them “in the face”.

FTR, Michael was twice the man of some of these so-called “he-man” types who would have never been able to handle the shit that was thrown at him on a daily basis.
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Did he really handle it...WELL? Michael was clearly detached from reality
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Reply #83 posted 01/17/19 8:39pm

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Dalia11 said:

He acted childlike because he did not have a childhood!

Realistically...shouldn't that have made him more ADULT-LIKE since he always had to behave as one?
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Reply #84 posted 01/17/19 8:49pm

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bboy87 said:



onlyforaminute said:


PatrickS77 said:



a) Michael was younger than his sibblings
b) Michael always was the center of attention
c) Everyone reacts differently to a certain set of circumstances



a. Not quite b. Maybe on stage to fans c. True but there can be a host of other explanations too

a) in the group, yes he was the youngest of the 5. He was 5 when they added him to the group and 9 when they signed to Motown.


Jackie was 16
Tito was 14


Jermaine was 13
Marlon was 11.



b) to the fans, press and those at Motown. People at the label like Suzanne DePasse have said Michael was the main focus, Jermaine was 2nd in attention, and Jackie, Tito, and Marlon were kinda, "just there". He had the most responsibility and had to the most work.



at 9:35



[Edited 1/15/19 14:01pm]



Michael was 11 when their first song was released on Motown
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Reply #85 posted 01/17/19 11:12pm

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mechanicalemotion17 said:

Free2BMe said:



Amazing how that scripture applies to a lot of people who are too childish, weak and immature to decipher the truth from lies, innuendo and gossip. It’s a shame that some people think that they are mature and can’t think for themselves. I call them “followers”because they rely on others to think for them. They depend on anything other than the FACTs starring them “in the face”.

FTR, Michael was twice the man of some of these so-called “he-man” types who would have never been able to handle the shit that was thrown at him on a daily basis.
[Edited 1/13/19 18:52pm]


Did he really handle it...WELL? Michael was clearly detached from reality


Yes, he handled it well. Bullshit on the assertion that MicHael was detached from reality. I would bet money that he was attached to reality as much or more than you are anyone else. Btw, what is your so-called “reality”? Michael was kind and generous; but he was highly intelligent and an astute businessman. I don’t know anyone who spoke or dealt with this man who thought he was detached from realty. I emphasize NO ONE. It is sad that you and a few others, base YOUR perception of normal as what you believe is “standard”. The ironic thing is that someone could think that of you or me.
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Reply #86 posted 01/17/19 11:23pm

Free2BMe

mechanicalemotion17 said:

Dalia11 said:

He acted childlike because he did not have a childhood!

Realistically...shouldn't that have made him more ADULT-LIKE since he always had to behave as one?


Realistically Michael was more shy than “childlike”.
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Reply #87 posted 01/17/19 11:38pm

Free2BMe

bonatoc said:



bboy87 said:




purple05 said:


Free2BMe said: People take that stuff too far. Even fans. He was socially awkward and shy mainly due to insecurity he experienced in his teen years and because he was sheltered. It seems the years in his youth after they stopped having hits greatly affected him. There’s one interview where his mother says the stage changed him. He basically became withdrawn and shy vs being outgoing as a youth

I don't think what I said took anything too far.



He was a child star and had a lot of responsibility on him at a young age. That caused him to be stunted on a social level. He didn't have the chance to experience things and socialize like other kids



I may have worded it wrong, so it's my screwup and I apologize. I've always argued MJ wasn't the airheaded, near braindead man child some people sometimes try to make him out to be.





The more discomforting the thought he found solace in the company of kids.
You're either Peter Pan, or you're not. It doesn't match with the performance-obsessed guy
who wrote 100 millions on his mirror to motivate himself. That's not an innocent or pure intent.



What I find disconcerting is that people are either too ignorant, lazy or unaware that Michael didn’t just find solace in the company of kids. Michael hung out with
Chris Tucker, Steve Harvey, Elizabeth Taylor, Gregory Peck and his wife, Jane Fonda, Sophia Loren, Teddy Riley, Nelson Mandela, etc. Just because you don’t know about these ADULTS, doesn’t mean that he only hung out kids and their FAMILIES. Let me emphasize to you again, that the kids who came to Neverland were their with their FAMILIES. His nieces and nephews were their all the time. HUNDREDS of inner city kids were invited to NEVERLAND with their parents, chaperones and sponsors.
Everything that I am saying is easily verified by video footage.
Seriously, you and other skeptical people need to do your research before you accuse or ASSUME that you know something. I can guaranteed you thst you really don’t know anything. It would like me assuming something about you,when I know nothing. confused
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Reply #88 posted 01/17/19 11:47pm

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bonatoc said:



bboy87 said:




purple05 said:


Free2BMe said: People take that stuff too far. Even fans. He was socially awkward and shy mainly due to insecurity he experienced in his teen years and because he was sheltered. It seems the years in his youth after they stopped having hits greatly affected him. There’s one interview where his mother says the stage changed him. He basically became withdrawn and shy vs being outgoing as a youth

I don't think what I said took anything too far.



He was a child star and had a lot of responsibility on him at a young age. That caused him to be stunted on a social level. He didn't have the chance to experience things and socialize like other kids



I may have worded it wrong, so it's my screwup and I apologize. I've always argued MJ wasn't the airheaded, near braindead man child some people sometimes try to make him out to be.





The more discomforting the thought he found solace in the company of kids.
You're either Peter Pan, or you're not. It doesn't match with the performance-obsessed guy
who wrote 100 millions on his mirror to motivate himself. That's not an innocent or pure intent.



Seriously, what does being performance based, motivated, dedicated, hard working have to do with the words “innocent” or “pure intent”? I don’t how old you are; but, do you really hear yourself “talking”. Are people really THAT naive? It’s truly frightening that an adult could think as you asserted! Shaking my head at the reasoning of so-called intelligent members of society. THINK! RATIONALIZE.
I don’t see these things in your posts. You are going by innuendo, conjecture, gossip, etc.
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Reply #89 posted 01/18/19 1:23am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:



EmmaMcG said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:

I wish this could have waited and been aired AFTER March, after my Janet gets inducted. Hopefully it won't overshadow her induction ceremony.



Hahaha. Yeah, they better make sure they get their priorities right.

I just don't understand why this trend of bringing back up old accusations of VERY successful black artist is coming from?The fans are still going to buy their muziq & keep them close to their hearts 11cgoz5.jpg







Either way IT NEEDS TO STOP! The press BETTER NOT bring this up to Janet at her induction either.


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I actually agree with you there about the new trend of bringing up old accusations but it's not just black folks that this is done to. It's everyone. Nobody is allowed to make a mistake anymore. The media, or to be more specific, social media, won't allow it. Which is especially worrying when you consider that Michael Jackson was found not guilty and this shit still gets brought up. It's not like he was caught on camera actually doing it, like R Kelly.

I don't see this documentary having much, if any, impact on Janet's Hall of fame induction though. Her career is not defined by the success of her brother.
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