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SEANMAN

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Radiohead, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks Lead Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2019 Class

JJJAAAAAANNNNEEETTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #1 posted 12/13/18 5:44am

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Yassss Ms. Jackson! I had a feeling she would get it this time.
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Reply #2 posted 12/13/18 6:28am

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RRHOF is a joke. Example, Joan Jett is in but Pat Benatar isn’t? All of Joan Jett’s 80s hits were covers. Stevie Nicks? Did she really have that big of a solo career? It’s like when they inducted Ringo Starr. Why? Oh and if Madonna and Janet can get in where the heck is Whitney? No she’s not RNR but neither are they.

Honestly I think there should be a rule where if you don’t get in within 5 years of eligibility then you’re no longer eligible. ELO was inducted 47 years after they first formed. Bon Jovi was eligible in 2009 but not inducted until 2018. It’s even worse with Def Leppard. I’m sorry but if you’ve been passed over for 10+ years then it’s more than just an oversight.
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Reply #3 posted 12/13/18 6:50am

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cool

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Reply #4 posted 12/13/18 7:00am

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JANET JACKSON BREHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Hall of Fame truly is a magic moment. So many who were curbstomped in the polls got in.

Throw the sparkles!

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Reply #5 posted 12/13/18 7:10am

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I'm already planning my trip to the ceremony lol

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Reply #6 posted 12/13/18 9:52am

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Well interesting knew this was her year, Def Leppard also, Stevie does not deserve it sorry, Radiohead I get it but not feeling it, The Cure, not sure, if they go in then Duran Duran better get on a ballot at some point, I get the cure influence but others were bigger.

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Reply #7 posted 12/13/18 10:42am

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If Bon Jovi and Def Leppard can get in then where the heck is Motley Crue?
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Reply #8 posted 12/13/18 12:34pm

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Who cares, what does it mean when you're dead and gone? lol

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^^It means that when you were alive, you were inducted lol

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Reply #10 posted 12/13/18 4:26pm

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Horay for Janet woot! queen

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SEANMAN said:

^^It means that when you were alive, you were inducted lol

lol

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Reply #12 posted 12/13/18 7:44pm

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Yes! Finally Janet gets in.


Wish Stevie didn't again. sad

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Reply #13 posted 12/14/18 6:58am

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ok, I have to add my two cents here! Normally, I don't care who gets in, but the comments about Stevie are just ridiculous and ignorant. Stevie has been around since the early 70's writing, singing and performing for over 40 years. She has more musical talent than Janet will ever have. Stevie sings live on every performance (never have I heard or seen her lip-sync) and has written some beautiful songs. Songs that will live forever. Give your heads a shake people. Janet may be an decent entertainer, but Stevie is a true muscian.

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Reply #14 posted 12/14/18 8:48am

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Congratulations Janet!

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Empress said:

ok, I have to add my two cents here! Normally, I don't care who gets in, but the comments about Stevie are just ridiculous and ignorant. Stevie has been around since the early 70's writing, singing and performing for over 40 years. She has more musical talent than Janet will ever have. Stevie sings live on every performance (never have I heard or seen her lip-sync) and has written some beautiful songs. Songs that will live forever. Give your heads a shake people. Janet may be an decent entertainer, but Stevie is a true muscian.

Decent? lol

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Empress said:

ok, I have to add my two cents here! Normally, I don't care who gets in, but the comments about Stevie are just ridiculous and ignorant. Stevie has been around since the early 70's writing, singing and performing for over 40 years. She has more musical talent than Janet will ever have. Stevie sings live on every performance (never have I heard or seen her lip-sync) and has written some beautiful songs. Songs that will live forever. Give your heads a shake people. Janet may be an decent entertainer, but Stevie is a true muscian.

Not a fan of Stevies anymore. She said that Prince committed suicide and it has also came out this past week that she is the one who wanted lindsay Buckingham fired.


I would've much rathered someone else get the nod instead of Stevie.

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Reply #17 posted 12/14/18 11:45am

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Congrats to my girl Janet.
Janet I'm SO proud of U. It was a LIFELONG dream of mine come true when I was able to work with U. Not look at U!

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #18 posted 12/14/18 7:41pm

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Good on Janet n Stevie, I fucks w/ them (especially J, from way back), but Radiohead "changed my life" (musically speaking lol) thumbs up!...

I'm fuckin Goldilocks up in the forest, in the 3 bear house, eatin they motherfuckin porridge music.
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Reply #19 posted 12/14/18 8:12pm

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SEANMAN said:

Empress said:

ok, I have to add my two cents here! Normally, I don't care who gets in, but the comments about Stevie are just ridiculous and ignorant. Stevie has been around since the early 70's writing, singing and performing for over 40 years. She has more musical talent than Janet will ever have. Stevie sings live on every performance (never have I heard or seen her lip-sync) and has written some beautiful songs. Songs that will live forever. Give your heads a shake people. Janet may be an decent entertainer, but Stevie is a true muscian.

Decent? lol

Janet Jackson's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction is years overdue. And now we all know why https://www.nbcnews.com/t...ncna948101

Michael Arceneaux

Michael Arceneaux is the author of the book "I Can't Date Jesus" (July 2018, Atria Books).

There’s something about Janet Jackson finally being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame more than a decade after eligibility that manages to both be exciting and enraging.

Earlier this year — when the pop icon was nominated for a third time — Questlove said her long-time exclusion was “highly criminal.” The Roots band member cited her breakout album, "Control," which he said spawned New Jack Swing. “Not to take away from her peers in the RRHOF that made marks in the 80s. But half of them can NOT claim they changed music,” he wrote on Instagram.

181214-janet-jackson-rhythm-nation-cs-202p_f9e117fa416b811fc64bef92729f5b07.fit-760w.jpgJanet Jackson performs in New York in 1990.Kevin Mazur / WireImage

You could say the same about its hugely influential and highly successful follow up, "Rhythm Nation 1814." Among its bevy of hit singles include “Black Cat,” which netted Jackson a Grammy nomination for Best Female Rock Vocal Performance.

(And, for those foolish enough to argue against her inclusion in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on the basis of genre, Janet Jackson has Grammy Award nominations spanning no less than five different genres: Pop, Rock, Dance, Rap and R&B.)

After that came the innovative "janet.," which celebrated its 25th anniversary this year, and "The Velvet Rope."

Very few artists can claim to have four albums arguably considered classics, and anyone who can remember the days in which Janet Jackson at the peak of her career, it should be understandable why even a fan and fellow artist like Questlove might still feel a way about a legend of her stature needing three attempts to receive an honor that is so long overdue.

Though I understand the sentiment, I want everyone to stop categorizing Janet Jackson as “underrated.” An artist who can boast of — twice — being the recipient of the biggest recording contrac...t the time during an era in which Michael Jackson and Madonna were her contemporaries, no less, was given her due, and suggesting that she's underrated takes away from that accomplishment.

181214-janet-jackson-justin-timberlake-superbowl-cs-156p_14f005658d6fd3034f2f2228f5894c66.fit-760w.jpgJanet Jackson and Justin Timberlake perform during the halftime show at Super Bowl XXXVIII in Houston in 2004.Donald Miralle / Getty Images file

This issue today is not whether her influence on music and pop culture was recognized at the time of her most prolific period, but why her star declined so precipitously following the “Nipplegate” controversy at her 2004 Super Bowl performance with the essentially unaffected Justin Timberlake. And the answer, as we know in 2018, is that, no matter how impactful you might be as a woman and a person of color, if a powerful white man finds you distasteful, he will do his damndest to diminish you and your legacy.

The Huffington Post reported in September that disgraced former CEO and chairman of CBS Les Moonves developed a “fixation” on the singer after the Superbowl, believing both that Jackson’s “wardrobe malfunction” was an intentional move by her and Timberlake and that Jackson did not sufficiently abase herself in her personal apology to him.

So, he allegedly barred her from performing at the 2004 Grammys; he ordered VH1 and MTV to stop playing her videos; he forbade Viacom-owned radio stations from playing her music. His vendetta was so unwavering that, seven years later, when Jackson signed a book deal with Simon & Schuster — owned by Viacom — to publish "True You: A Journey to Finding and Loving Yourself," he refused to let go of his beef,reportedly saying “heads with roll” over the release of the book.

There can be no overstating the level of damage Moonves did to Jackson’s career after 2004, nor the way the music industry treated her as a result of his vindictiveness. Janet Jackson has been enjoying a resurgence this year by way of various award show honors, a return to late night television, a successful tour, anniversaries of her landmark projects, and now finally, a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction — since Moonves' influence has waned in the wake of his exposure as an alleged serial sexual harasser. However, Jackson became eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2007, but wasn't even nominated until 2016 and (again) her induction required three attempts despite being one of the most influential artists ever. (By contrast, Madonna was inducted in 2008.)

Snubs happen, but this always felt too intentional for comfort.

So yes, I am glad Janet Jackson is getting her due, but I remain pissed all the same that the artist who played Justice in 1993's "Poetic Justice" couldn’t get any of it until 2018. Pissed because a credible accused predator was able to wield so much power over her and our culture despite what we all know is his inability to do the butterfly, rock dookie braids or deliver hit after hit after hit. Pissed because one has to wonder if any female music icon could be similarly disposed of in fits of white male pique, especially if they are Black.

And just like we now know the answer to why it took so long to recognize Janet Jackson's role in our culture, I suspect we all know that, even in 2018, the answer to the larger question is… probably.

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Reply #20 posted 12/14/18 8:19pm

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Janet Jackson: Hall of Fame…finally https://www.laineygossip....2019/51539

It was announced yesterday that Janet Jackson will be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2019. Finally. And this is good news, of course. But it’s also an opportunity to talk about why it’s late news. Because Janet has been eligible for induction since 2007. She wasn’t nominated until 2016. It took three tries before they accepted her. You know why?

Not because she wasn’t worthy. Not because her talent and her influence are in dispute. But because… well… the Super Bowl.

Because they had to keep punishing her for the Super Bowl. Because she was the ONLY one punished for an incident at the Super Bowl that involved two people. One of them was blacklisted for a decade. The other went on to a mega-successful solo career and left her for dead and has still not been held accountable for his cowardice. F-ck him. And f-ck Les Moonves.

Janet Jackson has been accepted into the Rock Hall the same year that Moonves was removed from CBS and exposed for being a chronic and corrupt sexual harasser and abuser. Coincidence or conspiracy?

Remember, he held that grudge again... for years, going out of his way to f-ck up her career because he claimed she deliberately embarrassed him and didn’t show him the appropriate amount of contrition. Basically, she wasn’t sorry enough. He pretty much wanted her to come into his office, get down on her knees, and beg for forgiveness.

Now that he no longer holds as much power as he did before, oh NOW the Rock Hall is all like, hey Janet, we’ll include you now? I mean, she’s a lot more gracious than I would be.

We did it u guys 💜 Thank U for all your love and support. #RockHall2019

But that’s an interesting choice of words, non? “We did it guys” suggests that it hasn’t been easy. We only say “we did it” to each other when it seemed at one point impossible, right?

This, of course, is not meant to dump on the achievement. The point is that Janet earned this achievement a long time ago which is why we have to put it in context and then widen that context for a better perspective on women’s achievement and how it is so often not allowed to stand on its own merit, so many times it still has to pass through another filter.

Here’s Janet in Hong Kong tonight at the Mnet Asian Music Awards (MAMA) where she was given the Inspiration award. Watch this tribute, the list of stats accumulated over four decades. And listen, especially at the end, to how much emotional she is to be appreciated, to be recognized, to not be forgotten.

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Empress said:

ok, I have to add my two cents here! Normally, I don't care who gets in, but the comments about Stevie are just ridiculous and ignorant. Stevie has been around since the early 70's writing, singing and performing for over 40 years. She has more musical talent than Janet will ever have. Stevie sings live on every performance (never have I heard or seen her lip-sync) and has written some beautiful songs. Songs that will live forever. Give your heads a shake people. Janet may be an decent entertainer, but Stevie is a true muscian.



Stevie is in already and could have waited but going in first ballot shows the power she has in the industry with writers and voters on the committee, not surprised Lindsey was out of FM so easy a move that has really backfired on them. I don’t have issue with her getting in at some point, but how has Pat Benatar never been on the ballot she is 15 past eligible, that’s a crime because she influenced more in her genre and broke more walls down than any female in rock a male dominated genre. So till Pat goes in this is a joke.

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Miss Jackson if U nasty.....

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #23 posted 12/16/18 5:57pm

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Stevie Nicks Celebrates Janet Jackson’s ‘Hall of Fame’ Induction / Reveals She Is A Life Long Fan https://thatgrapejuice.ne...-long-fan/

Stevie Nicks is elated by news that Janet Jackson has been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame!

Find out why she feels the multifaceted entertainer is more than the deserving of the honour she has received below…

Stevie, like Janet, is to be inducted and had this to say about it all.

I don’t think I’ve ever met Janet Jackson even though I feel like I know her like she lives next door because I’ve been listening to her music since she was a baby. I’m super excited about that and I think she should be in, absolutely. She’s amazing

I’m a huge fan of Janet Jackson. She’s also all over all my tapes. I listen to Janet almost every single night.

On the fact that she is the first woman to be inducted twice? (One as a member of Fleetwood Mac and again a soloist).

My biggest hope is that I have opened the door due to the fact that there’s 22 men who have gone in twice and zero women. I think that’s really a little off balance. That’s what I’m hoping, that what’s happened here to me will give all the little rock and roll stars that are just waiting out there a little hope that they can also do what I do. Mind you, it took a long time. I’m 70 years old. It took a long time for this to happen, but maybe because of this it won’t take so long for all the other incredibly talented women that I know and that I respect and that I listen to and that I’m friends with. That’s really the nicest thing.

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Reply #24 posted 12/17/18 3:15pm

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Why the hell hasn't Suzi Quatro been inducted but Joan Jett has? Joan Jett is a Suzi Quatro wannabe!
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Janet Jackson: Hall of Fame…finally https://www.laineygossip....2019/51539

It was announced yesterday that Janet Jackson will be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2019. Finally. And this is good news, of course. But it’s also an opportunity to talk about why it’s late news. Because Janet has been eligible for induction since 2007. She wasn’t nominated until 2016. It took three tries before they accepted her. You know why?

Not because she wasn’t worthy. Not because her talent and her influence are in dispute. But because… well… the Super Bowl.

Because they had to keep punishing her for the Super Bowl. Because she was the ONLY one punished for an incident at the Super Bowl that involved two people. One of them was blacklisted for a decade. The other went on to a mega-successful solo career and left her for dead and has still not been held accountable for his cowardice. F-ck him. And f-ck Les Moonves.

Janet Jackson has been accepted into the Rock Hall the same year that Moonves was removed from CBS and exposed for being a chronic and corrupt sexual harasser and abuser. Coincidence or conspiracy?

Remember, he held that grudge again... for years, going out of his way to f-ck up her career because he claimed she deliberately embarrassed him and didn’t show him the appropriate amount of contrition. Basically, she wasn’t sorry enough. He pretty much wanted her to come into his office, get down on her knees, and beg for forgiveness.

Now that he no longer holds as much power as he did before, oh NOW the Rock Hall is all like, hey Janet, we’ll include you now? I mean, she’s a lot more gracious than I would be.

We did it u guys 💜 Thank U for all your love and support. #RockHall2019

But that’s an interesting choice of words, non? “We did it guys” suggests that it hasn’t been easy. We only say “we did it” to each other when it seemed at one point impossible, right?

This, of course, is not meant to dump on the achievement. The point is that Janet earned this achievement a long time ago which is why we have to put it in context and then widen that context for a better perspective on women’s achievement and how it is so often not allowed to stand on its own merit, so many times it still has to pass through another filter.

Here’s Janet in Hong Kong tonight at the Mnet Asian Music Awards (MAMA) where she was given the Inspiration award. Watch this tribute, the list of stats accumulated over four decades. And listen, especially at the end, to how much emotional she is to be appreciated, to be recognized, to not be forgotten.

Breaking News: CBS said its former head Les Moonves misled it about misconduct. He will be fired for cause and will not receive a $120 million severance. https://www.nytimes.com/2...tw-nytimes

yeahthat censored bastard! #Justice4Janet

26m26 minutes ago

N. K. Jemisin Retweeted The New York Times

They can give the severance to Janet Jackson, and the rest of this bigoted predator's targets.

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Reply #26 posted 12/18/18 7:38am

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They had to acknowledge Janet. The omission would have been more glaring this year. But I'm glad they did, because she is arguably the most influential female artist of her generation.

This is a really solid class overall, with Janet and Stevie Nicks (IMO) being the tentpoles. It seems like they tied up some loose ends (with Roxy Music and the Cure) and moved relatively quickly on a deserving act (Radiohead).

Though I wouldn't have seen them as a glaring omission if they didn't get in, good for Def Leppard. They made some enjoyable songs and they were one of the most successful bands of their time.

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Reply #27 posted 12/18/18 8:39am

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Goddess4Real said:

SEANMAN said:

Decent? lol

Janet Jackson's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction is years overdue. And now we all know why https://www.nbcnews.com/t...ncna948101

Michael Arceneaux

Michael Arceneaux is the author of the book "I Can't Date Jesus" (July 2018, Atria Books).

There’s something about Janet Jackson finally being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame more than a decade after eligibility that manages to both be exciting and enraging.

Earlier this year — when the pop icon was nominated for a third time — Questlove said her long-time exclusion was “highly criminal.” The Roots band member cited her breakout album, "Control," which he said spawned New Jack Swing. “Not to take away from her peers in the RRHOF that made marks in the 80s. But half of them can NOT claim they changed music,” he wrote on Instagram.

181214-janet-jackson-rhythm-nation-cs-202p_f9e117fa416b811fc64bef92729f5b07.fit-760w.jpgJanet Jackson performs in New York in 1990.Kevin Mazur / WireImage

You could say the same about its hugely influential and highly successful follow up, "Rhythm Nation 1814." Among its bevy of hit singles include “Black Cat,” which netted Jackson a Grammy nomination for Best Female Rock Vocal Performance.

(And, for those foolish enough to argue against her inclusion in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on the basis of genre, Janet Jackson has Grammy Award nominations spanning no less than five different genres: Pop, Rock, Dance, Rap and R&B.)

After that came the innovative "janet.," which celebrated its 25th anniversary this year, and "The Velvet Rope."

Very few artists can claim to have four albums arguably considered classics, and anyone who can remember the days in which Janet Jackson at the peak of her career, it should be understandable why even a fan and fellow artist like Questlove might still feel a way about a legend of her stature needing three attempts to receive an honor that is so long overdue.

Though I understand the sentiment, I want everyone to stop categorizing Janet Jackson as “underrated.” An artist who can boast of — twice — being the recipient of the biggest recording contrac...t the time during an era in which Michael Jackson and Madonna were her contemporaries, no less, was given her due, and suggesting that she's underrated takes away from that accomplishment.

181214-janet-jackson-justin-timberlake-superbowl-cs-156p_14f005658d6fd3034f2f2228f5894c66.fit-760w.jpgJanet Jackson and Justin Timberlake perform during the halftime show at Super Bowl XXXVIII in Houston in 2004.Donald Miralle / Getty Images file

This issue today is not whether her influence on music and pop culture was recognized at the time of her most prolific period, but why her star declined so precipitously following the “Nipplegate” controversy at her 2004 Super Bowl performance with the essentially unaffected Justin Timberlake. And the answer, as we know in 2018, is that, no matter how impactful you might be as a woman and a person of color, if a powerful white man finds you distasteful, he will do his damndest to diminish you and your legacy.

The Huffington Post reported in September that disgraced former CEO and chairman of CBS Les Moonves developed a “fixation” on the singer after the Superbowl, believing both that Jackson’s “wardrobe malfunction” was an intentional move by her and Timberlake and that Jackson did not sufficiently abase herself in her personal apology to him.

So, he allegedly barred her from performing at the 2004 Grammys; he ordered VH1 and MTV to stop playing her videos; he forbade Viacom-owned radio stations from playing her music. His vendetta was so unwavering that, seven years later, when Jackson signed a book deal with Simon & Schuster — owned by Viacom — to publish "True You: A Journey to Finding and Loving Yourself," he refused to let go of his beef,reportedly saying “heads with roll” over the release of the book.

There can be no overstating the level of damage Moonves did to Jackson’s career after 2004, nor the way the music industry treated her as a result of his vindictiveness. Janet Jackson has been enjoying a resurgence this year by way of various award show honors, a return to late night television, a successful tour, anniversaries of her landmark projects, and now finally, a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction — since Moonves' influence has waned in the wake of his exposure as an alleged serial sexual harasser. However, Jackson became eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2007, but wasn't even nominated until 2016 and (again) her induction required three attempts despite being one of the most influential artists ever. (By contrast, Madonna was inducted in 2008.)

Snubs happen, but this always felt too intentional for comfort.

So yes, I am glad Janet Jackson is getting her due, but I remain pissed all the same that the artist who played Justice in 1993's "Poetic Justice" couldn’t get any of it until 2018. Pissed because a credible accused predator was able to wield so much power over her and our culture despite what we all know is his inability to do the butterfly, rock dookie braids or deliver hit after hit after hit. Pissed because one has to wonder if any female music icon could be similarly disposed of in fits of white male pique, especially if they are Black.

And just like we now know the answer to why it took so long to recognize Janet Jackson's role in our culture, I suspect we all know that, even in 2018, the answer to the larger question is… probably.

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Janet Jackson has had 26 Grammy Award nominations, one in both Rock & Dance. She has never been nominated in the Rap genre. Stop with the false info....

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Reply #28 posted 12/18/18 10:28am

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Tontoman22 said:



Goddess4Real said:




SEANMAN said:



Decent? lol




Janet Jackson's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction is years overdue. And now we all know why https://www.nbcnews.com/t...ncna948101



Michael Arceneaux


Michael Arceneaux is the author of the book "I Can't Date Jesus" (July 2018, Atria Books).



There’s something about Janet Jackson finally being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame more than a decade after eligibility that manages to both be exciting and enraging.


Earlier this year — when the pop icon was nominated for a third time — Questlove said her long-time exclusion was “highly criminal.” The Roots band member cited her breakout album, "Control," which he said spawned New Jack Swing. “Not to take away from her peers in the RRHOF that made marks in the 80s. But half of them can NOT claim they changed music,” he wrote on Instagram.


181214-janet-jackson-rhythm-nation-cs-202p_f9e117fa416b811fc64bef92729f5b07.fit-760w.jpgJanet Jackson performs in New York in 1990.Kevin Mazur / WireImage


You could say the same about its hugely influential and highly successful follow up, "Rhythm Nation 1814." Among its bevy of hit singles include “Black Cat,” which netted Jackson a Grammy nomination for Best Female Rock Vocal Performance.


(And, for those foolish enough to argue against her inclusion in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on the basis of genre, Janet Jackson has Grammy Award nominations spanning no less than five different genres: Pop, Rock, Dance, Rap and R&B.)


After that came the innovative "janet.," which celebrated its 25th anniversary this year, and "The Velvet Rope."


Very few artists can claim to have four albums arguably considered classics, and anyone who can remember the days in which Janet Jackson at the peak of her career, it should be understandable why even a fan and fellow artist like Questlove might still feel a way about a legend of her stature needing three attempts to receive an honor that is so long overdue.



Though I understand the sentiment, I want everyone to stop categorizing Janet Jackson as “underrated.” An artist who can boast of — twice — being the recipient of the biggest recording contrac...t the time during an era in which Michael Jackson and Madonna were her contemporaries, no less, was given her due, and suggesting that she's underrated takes away from that accomplishment.


181214-janet-jackson-justin-timberlake-superbowl-cs-156p_14f005658d6fd3034f2f2228f5894c66.fit-760w.jpgJanet Jackson and Justin Timberlake perform during the halftime show at Super Bowl XXXVIII in Houston in 2004.Donald Miralle / Getty Images file


This issue today is not whether her influence on music and pop culture was recognized at the time of her most prolific period, but why her star declined so precipitously following the “Nipplegate” controversy at her 2004 Super Bowl performance with the essentially unaffected Justin Timberlake. And the answer, as we know in 2018, is that, no matter how impactful you might be as a woman and a person of color, if a powerful white man finds you distasteful, he will do his damndest to diminish you and your legacy.



The Huffington Post reported in September that disgraced former CEO and chairman of CBS Les Moonves developed a “fixation” on the singer after the Superbowl, believing both that Jackson’s “wardrobe malfunction” was an intentional move by her and Timberlake and that Jackson did not sufficiently abase herself in her personal apology to him.


So, he allegedly barred her from performing at the 2004 Grammys; he ordered VH1 and MTV to stop playing her videos; he forbade Viacom-owned radio stations from playing her music. His vendetta was so unwavering that, seven years later, when Jackson signed a book deal with Simon & Schuster — owned by Viacom — to publish "True You: A Journey to Finding and Loving Yourself," he refused to let go of his beef,reportedly saying “heads with roll” over the release of the book.


There can be no overstating the level of damage Moonves did to Jackson’s career after 2004, nor the way the music industry treated her as a result of his vindictiveness. Janet Jackson has been enjoying a resurgence this year by way of various award show honors, a return to late night television, a successful tour, anniversaries of her landmark projects, and now finally, a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction — since Moonves' influence has waned in the wake of his exposure as an alleged serial sexual harasser. However, Jackson became eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2007, but wasn't even nominated until 2016 and (again) her induction required three attempts despite being one of the most influential artists ever. (By contrast, Madonna was inducted in 2008.)


Snubs happen, but this always felt too intentional for comfort.


So yes, I am glad Janet Jackson is getting her due, but I remain pissed all the same that the artist who played Justice in 1993's "Poetic Justice" couldn’t get any of it until 2018. Pissed because a credible accused predator was able to wield so much power over her and our culture despite what we all know is his inability to do the butterfly, rock dookie braids or deliver hit after hit after hit. Pissed because one has to wonder if any female music icon could be similarly disposed of in fits of white male pique, especially if they are Black.


And just like we now know the answer to why it took so long to recognize Janet Jackson's role in our culture, I suspect we all know that, even in 2018, the answer to the larger question is… probably.


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Janet Jackson has had 26 Grammy Award nominations, one in both Rock & Dance. She has never been nominated in the Rap genre. Stop with the false info....


Janet and Busta's song What's it gonna be was nominated for best rap duo in 2000. So yeah she has been nominated in the rap genre....
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Tontoman22 said:

Janet Jackson has had 26 Grammy Award nominations, one in both Rock & Dance. She has never been nominated in the Rap genre. Stop with the false info....

Janet and Busta's song What's it gonna be was nominated for best rap duo in 2000. So yeah she has been nominated in the rap genre....

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