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New Edition/New Kids Tour

How does it sound a New Edition-New Kids On The Block tour? Since NE is doing a 30th anniversary tour 2013 and NKOTB started retouring. BTW I saw NE EARLIER THIS YEAR. Was the show 1 hour or 2?
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Reply #1 posted 12/12/12 8:54am

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I think it's a bad idea. The only reason I say that is because they appeal to two different audiences. The NKOTB and BSB pairing was a good idea to me...only because they appeal to the same generation.

It might work better if it was NE and The Jacksons or NE and Jodeci.

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Reply #2 posted 12/12/12 10:18am

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Unfortunately if they did do that I fear it would be a US only tour sad New Edition were never really big anywhere else after Ralph Tresvant's balls dropped.

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Reply #3 posted 12/12/12 10:22am

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The Jonzun Crew can be their opening act. razz

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Reply #4 posted 12/12/12 11:25am

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New Kids with Ricky Bell & Johnny Gill

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #5 posted 12/12/12 11:35am

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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #6 posted 12/12/12 3:54pm

JabarR74

Here's BBD on the final US show of the NKOTBSB tour

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Reply #7 posted 12/13/12 5:47am

TonyVanDam

fluid said:

How does it sound a New Edition-New Kids On The Block tour? Since NE is doing a 30th anniversary tour 2013 and NKOTB started retouring. BTW I saw NE EARLIER THIS YEAR. Was the show 1 hour or 2?

Believe it or not, NKOTB tried to convince NE to tour with them a few years ago. But NE was not even unitied yet as the two factions Bell Biv Devoe & Heads of States were still touring apart at the time. So the Backstreet Boys (BSB) ended up touring with NKOTB instead.

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Reply #8 posted 12/13/12 11:27am

JabarR74

TonyVanDam said:

fluid said:

How does it sound a New Edition-New Kids On The Block tour? Since NE is doing a 30th anniversary tour 2013 and NKOTB started retouring. BTW I saw NE EARLIER THIS YEAR. Was the show 1 hour or 2?

Believe it or not, NKOTB tried to convince NE to tour with them a few years ago. But NE was not even unitied yet as the two factions Bell Biv Devoe & Heads of States were still touring apart at the time. So the Backstreet Boys (BSB) ended up touring with NKOTB instead.

Well, with NE heading into their 30th anniversary and NKOTB heading into their 25th anniversary of "Please Don't Go Girl", the opportunity to tour together next year could not be more perfect than it will be. So they need to take advantage of that ASAP. Think about it, the New Kids could open the show and then NE can close it and then, all 11 of them can come back out and perform "Full Service" as the finale of the concert.

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Reply #9 posted 12/13/12 2:38pm

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This is a tour that seriously needs to happen. I would be there in a heart beat.

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Reply #10 posted 12/13/12 2:39pm

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JabarR74 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Believe it or not, NKOTB tried to convince NE to tour with them a few years ago. But NE was not even unitied yet as the two factions Bell Biv Devoe & Heads of States were still touring apart at the time. So the Backstreet Boys (BSB) ended up touring with NKOTB instead.

Well, with NE heading into their 30th anniversary and NKOTB heading into their 25th anniversary of "Please Don't Go Girl", the opportunity to tour together next year could not be more perfect than it will be. So they need to take advantage of that ASAP. Think about it, the New Kids could open the show and then NE can close it and then, all 11 of them can come back out and perform "Full Service" as the finale of the concert.

That would cool rock!!

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Reply #11 posted 12/13/12 6:15pm

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It would DEFINITELY expand NE's audience, and NKOTB Fans could C where THEY got it from!!!!!

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Reply #12 posted 12/13/12 6:53pm

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Ellie said:

Unfortunately if they did do that I fear it would be a US only tour sad New Edition were never really big anywhere else after Ralph Tresvant's balls dropped.

"Candy girl" was released on an indie label in the US and UK. London released it in the UK (a label used for import artists without a major in the UK), and I guess it was just a surprise smash hit, doing better in the UK then the US, but their second album and 1st single, "cool it now", was on MCA, and for whatever reason (lack of promotion?), the single flopped in the UK and any momentum caused by the surprise success of "candy girl" unfortunately vanished....

...maybe if MCA's UK arm had promoted it better, it might of been a hit? Who knows but a missed opputunity by MCA...

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Reply #13 posted 12/13/12 7:08pm

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JabarR74 said:



Well, with NE heading into their 30th anniversary and NKOTB heading into their 25th anniversary of "Please Don't Go Girl", the opportunity to tour together next year could not be more perfect than it will be. So they need to take advantage of that ASAP. Think about it, the New Kids could open the show and then NE can close it and then, all 11 of them can come back out and perform "Full Service" as the finale of the concert.



I went to the NKOTBSB tour and rather than one group opening and the other closing, they switched off every couple of songs and then came together as a group of 9 for a few songs at the beginning, middle, and end of the show. The majority of people at the show were either firmly in NKOTB's camp (like myself) or strictly BSB fans, with little overlap, so the way they arranged it was very well done, keeping both fan bases engaged through the entirety of the show. If NKOTB opened for NE or vice versa, they'd run the risk of losing a large part of the audience halfway through the concert.
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Reply #14 posted 12/14/12 12:42pm

JabarR74

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I went to the NKOTBSB tour and rather than one group opening and the other closing, they switched off every couple of songs and then came together as a group of 9 for a few songs at the beginning, middle, and end of the show. The majority of people at the show were either firmly in NKOTB's camp (like myself) or strictly BSB fans, with little overlap, so the way they arranged it was very well done, keeping both fan bases engaged through the entirety of the show. If NKOTB opened for NE or vice versa, they'd run the risk of losing a large part of the audience halfway through the concert.

Well, they can't do like the NKOTBSB tour, the show will haveto be mainly about NE, that's why I say New Kids should open the show, then NE can close it, then all of them can come back out for the finale.

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Reply #15 posted 12/14/12 12:53pm

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JabarR74 said:

Well, they can't do like the NKOTBSB tour, the show will haveto be mainly about NE, that's why I say New Kids should open the show, then NE can close it, then all of them can come back out for the finale.

New Kids were way more popular mainstream wise than NE (who was mostly popular with the R&B audience), so it's possible that some of the New Kids fans may leave when they finish, if they open. It's would be like Van Halen opening for Kool & The Gang instead of the way it went. lol

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #16 posted 12/14/12 1:46pm

JabarR74

MickyDolenz said:

JabarR74 said:

Well, they can't do like the NKOTBSB tour, the show will haveto be mainly about NE, that's why I say New Kids should open the show, then NE can close it, then all of them can come back out for the finale.

New Kids were way more popular mainstream wise than NE (who was mostly popular with the R&B audience), so it's possible that some of the New Kids fans may leave when they finish, if they open. It's would be like Van Halen opening for Kool & The Gang instead of the way it went. lol

You're forgetting about NE as solo acts!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #17 posted 12/14/12 2:04pm

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JabarR74 said:

MickyDolenz said:

New Kids were way more popular mainstream wise than NE (who was mostly popular with the R&B audience), so it's possible that some of the New Kids fans may leave when they finish, if they open. It's would be like Van Halen opening for Kool & The Gang instead of the way it went. lol

You're forgetting about NE as solo acts!!!!!!!!!

Did any of them have dolls, bedsheets, lamps, lunch boxes, etc.? Bobby Brown had the most crossover success, but it's kind of forgotten today. BBD was 2nd, mainly the 1st album. Ralph and Johnny had less pop success. Their audience was still primarily black. NE as a group and as splinter acts still did not have the same level of success as NKOTB as a group. New Kids didn't have much radio success as solo acts though. So NE has them beat there.

It's like comparing Elvis Presley & Fats Domino. Sure Fats had some success, but his popularity was nowhere near Elvis', and still isn't.

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For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #18 posted 12/14/12 4:07pm

JabarR74

MickyDolenz said:

JabarR74 said:

You're forgetting about NE as solo acts!!!!!!!!!

Did any of them have dolls, bedsheets, lamps, lunch boxes, etc.? Bobby Brown had the most crossover success, but it's kind of forgotten today. BBD was 2nd, mainly the 1st album. Ralph and Johnny had less pop success. Their audience was still primarily black. NE as a group and as splinter acts still did not have the same level of success as NKOTB as a group. New Kids didn't have much radio success as solo acts though. So NE has them beat there.

Does it matter?

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JabarR74 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Did any of them have dolls, bedsheets, lamps, lunch boxes, etc.? Bobby Brown had the most crossover success, but it's kind of forgotten today. BBD was 2nd, mainly the 1st album. Ralph and Johnny had less pop success. Their audience was still primarily black. NE as a group and as splinter acts still did not have the same level of success as NKOTB as a group. New Kids didn't have much radio success as solo acts though. So NE has them beat there.

Does it matter?

As music, no. But in drawing an audience and selling tickets, yes. Michael Jackson's This Is It sold more tickets than The Jacksons' Unity Tour. U2 will draw a bigger audience than Herman's Hermits. So level of success does count for these things, not whether you like them.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #20 posted 12/14/12 4:40pm

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JabarR74 said:

micv said:

Well, they can't do like the NKOTBSB tour, the show will haveto be mainly about NE, that's why I say New Kids should open the show, then NE can close it, then all of them can come back out for the finale.

I'm a hardcore New Kids fan lol and LOVE New Edition as much as them , but no way is New Kids a going to be the opener. New Kids do have a lot of respect for NE (as they should) and they would probably be a opener act just because of that. But overall I don't think many of the audience would want them to be the opening act and I say this because they were more successful than NE on a bigger scale in the mainstream. NE has more solo power though (and better material) so that may draw crowds but I think most would be there to see New Kids sadly for them. Their fanbases aren't the same even though there are rare ones that like both (like me).

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Reply #21 posted 12/14/12 5:02pm

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babybugz said:

JabarR74 said:

Well, they can't do like the NKOTBSB tour, the show will haveto be mainly about NE, that's why I say New Kids should open the show, then NE can close it, then all of them can come back out for the finale.

I'm a hardcore New Kids fan lol and LOVE New Edition as much as them , but no way is New Kids a going to be the opener. New Kids do have a lot of respect for NE (as they should) and they would probably be a opener act just because of that. But overall I don't think many of the audience would want them to be the opening act and I say this because they were more successful than NE on a bigger scale in the mainstream. NE has more solo power though (and better material) so that may draw crowds but I think most would be there to see New Kids sadly for them. Their fanbases aren't the same even though there are rare ones that like both (like me).

But you have to understand, like I said before, this tour will be more about NE since 2013 will be their 30th anniversary and NKOTB will be celebrating 25 years since Please Don't Go Girl and don't forget, they do have a song together that can close the concert.

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Reply #22 posted 12/14/12 5:25pm

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JabarR74 said:

But you have to understand, like I said before, this tour will be more about NE since 2013 will be their 30th anniversary and NKOTB will be celebrating 25 years since Please Don't Go Girl and don't forget, they do have a song together that can close the concert.

That's not relevant to ticket selling power. There's many acts than are older than that and are just playing the oldies circuit. NE has been touring as a group and as individual acts for years when New Kids were broken up. Often they were on package concerts like Tom Joyner, Essence Festival, or New Jack/old school tours. NE by themselves would not draw as big of an audience as New Kids, just like they didn't during both groups heyday. Maurice Starr created New Kids in the first place because NE fired him. Maurice figured that he could have more success with a white group than a black one and that's what happened, although New Kids first album didn't do much when it was originally released.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #23 posted 12/14/12 7:45pm

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JabarR74 said:


But you have to understand, like I said before, this tour will be more about NE since 2013 will be their 30th anniversary and NKOTB will be celebrating 25 years since Please Don't Go Girl and don't forget, they do have a song together that can close the concert.




That's not relevant to ticket selling power. There's many acts than are older than that and are just playing the oldies circuit. NE has been touring as a group and as individual acts for years when New Kids were broken up. Often they were on package concerts like Tom Joyner, Essence Festival, or New Jack/old school tours. NE by themselves would not draw as big of an audience as New Kids, just like they didn't during both groups heyday. Maurice Starr created New Kids in the first place because NE fired him. Maurice figured that he could have more success with a white group than a black one and that's what happened, although New Kids first album didn't do much when it was originally released.



I recently read NKOTB's biography and according to them it actually didn't initially occur to Maurice to market their music to white audiences. They originally shopped their music exclusively to R&B stations, BET, etc and met with limited success. It wasn't until a pop station in Florida played Please Don't Go Girl by chance that things took off for them.
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Reply #24 posted 12/14/12 8:08pm

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THIS TOUR WOULD NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE NKOTB HAS TURNED DOWNED THIS IDEA FOUR TIMES ALREADY. NEW EDITION WOULD MOP THE FLOOR WITH THIS GROUP. BOBBY TOLD ME HIMSELF THAT IF ACCEPTED THEIR OFFER TO GO OUT ON THE ROAD, HE WOULD STOP DRINKING AND DRUGGING JUST TO PUT THESE DUDES IN THEIR PLACE. NEW EDITION WAS WAY MORE POPULAR THEN THESE DUDES IN THEIR DAY. THE OLD TUNES STILL GET WAY MORE AIRPLAY THEN THEIRS. PLEASE THIS IS A JOKE.

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micv said:

MickyDolenz said:

That's not relevant to ticket selling power. There's many acts than are older than that and are just playing the oldies circuit. NE has been touring as a group and as individual acts for years when New Kids were broken up. Often they were on package concerts like Tom Joyner, Essence Festival, or New Jack/old school tours. NE by themselves would not draw as big of an audience as New Kids, just like they didn't during both groups heyday. Maurice Starr created New Kids in the first place because NE fired him. Maurice figured that he could have more success with a white group than a black one and that's what happened, although New Kids first album didn't do much when it was originally released.

I recently read NKOTB's biography and according to them it actually didn't initially occur to Maurice to market their music to white audiences. They originally shopped their music exclusively to R&B stations, BET, etc and met with limited success. It wasn't until a pop station in Florida played Please Don't Go Girl by chance that things took off for them.

This is correct. But I don't get why they were so shocked that they had more success with the white crowd. I may have been one of the rare black ones at that time that really enjoyed them. lol They do have black fans but I do recall many black people being upset with them doing better than New Edition.

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^^Please Don't Go Girl & Whatcha Gonna Do About It did get R&B airplay, and I remember seeing New Kids on Showtime At The Apollo. But pop radio went crazy over them, playing them constantly. They became so popular that their debut, which was little known originally, went multi-platinum. I remember they even had a call line. I don't recall the exact price, but I think it was $3.99 a minute.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #27 posted 12/14/12 9:28pm

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^^Please Don't Go Girl & Whatcha Gonna Do About It did get R&B airplay, and I remember seeing New Kids on Showtime At The Apollo. But pop radio went crazy over them, playing them constantly. They became so popular that their debut, which was little known originally, went multi-platinum. I remember they even had a call line. I don't recall the exact price, but I think it was $3.99 a minute.

You forgot about on appearence they did

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Reply #28 posted 12/14/12 9:30pm

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jackson35 said:

THIS TOUR WOULD NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE NKOTB HAS TURNED DOWNED THIS IDEA FOUR TIMES ALREADY. NEW EDITION WOULD MOP THE FLOOR WITH THIS GROUP. BOBBY TOLD ME HIMSELF THAT IF ACCEPTED THEIR OFFER TO GO OUT ON THE ROAD, HE WOULD STOP DRINKING AND DRUGGING JUST TO PUT THESE DUDES IN THEIR PLACE. NEW EDITION WAS WAY MORE POPULAR THEN THESE DUDES IN THEIR DAY. THE OLD TUNES STILL GET WAY MORE AIRPLAY THEN THEIRS. PLEASE THIS IS A JOKE.

Never say never! Remember Earth, Wind & Fire and Chicago have done tours together!!

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jackson35 said:

THIS TOUR WOULD NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE NKOTB HAS TURNED DOWNED THIS IDEA FOUR TIMES ALREADY. NEW EDITION WOULD MOP THE FLOOR WITH THIS GROUP. BOBBY TOLD ME HIMSELF THAT IF ACCEPTED THEIR OFFER TO GO OUT ON THE ROAD, HE WOULD STOP DRINKING AND DRUGGING JUST TO PUT THESE DUDES IN THEIR PLACE. NEW EDITION WAS WAY MORE POPULAR THEN THESE DUDES IN THEIR DAY. THE OLD TUNES STILL GET WAY MORE AIRPLAY THEN THEIRS. PLEASE THIS IS A JOKE.

No, they really just wouldn't have the draw for a WORLD tour as New Edition rarely had ANY success after 1985. They had a little blip in 1996 but truly no-one cared about them after that.

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