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Reply #60 posted 09/11/20 11:04pm

LoveGalore

Anotherwontdare said:



GiggityGoo said:


When I was younger, and first exposed to "Sign", of course I gravitated towards the hits/singles. Songs like "Slow Love", "Forever In My Life", and "Strange Relationship" didn't do it for me like "Hot Thing" and "U Got The Look" and "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man".


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But after years of living with the album, I've come to appreciate every song. The entire song cycle has an ebb and flow that really rewards you if you listen from beginning to end.


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There's one tune, however, that I still have trouble with: "If I Was Your Girlfriend". I know there are many of you here on the Org who love this song, but it still doesn't quite click with me. Forget its unfortunate choice as the second single, the song itself is just... "off". That's the best way I can put it.


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I have skipped this song many, many times. Hell, at one point, when I digitized the album, I omitted it from my Prince playlist altogether! But I've (sort of) come around on it. I now let it be a part the listening experience.


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Maybe one day I'll get on board. Maybe.




I love this song, but I also feel you about what's "off". The SOTT version, with the weird intro and outro and the upfront distorted drum machine pattern, it all screams, "I'm a quirky pop song! Look how quirky!"



What I recommend is other versions of the song that emphasize the melody and vocal more. Dream Factory version with the sitar opening, even just solo piano versions.



There is no version of IIWYG with a sitar opening. That's Strange Relationship. IIWYG isn't quirky for quirky's sake. It's Prince being Prince and letting you in on it.
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Reply #61 posted 09/12/20 1:08am

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No, no, no!

"Hot Thing" is one of Prince's greatest and most original funk creations, with such tight timings and mathematical precision. The incesant rhythm with the cold, electronic keyboard line, the hint of a country vibe in the vocal, the cheeky bits of percussion, and then the glory of the sax solo - it's got everything. The way Prince then translated it to the SoTT concert film highlighted the brilliance of studio work, while also showing the genius of Prince live - how he could take the cold, mechanical sheen of the studio and make it explode with the warm colours of a band playing live, together.

"It", I agree, is harder to love but I've always had time for it. What has recently sealed it for me was someone (I can't remember where - on the Org? On a podcast?) pointing out that it is very similar to Sign O The Times the song, in terms of feel, instrumentation, the guitar solos, etc. You can see it as the direct flipside of that song. Also, doesn't Prince do an impression of that robot from Buck Rogers towards the end of "It"? How cool is that?!

Overall, I've got to agree with people who say that the album is perfect as it is. The work of a lot of thought and effort to get the sequencing correct, to balance the sides and balance the whole. There are better individual songs Prince could have put on, no doubt, but this album is a 'set'.

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Reply #62 posted 09/15/20 12:26am

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LittleBigFan said:

No, no, no!

"Hot Thing" is one of Prince's greatest and most original funk creations, with such tight timings and mathematical precision. The incesant rhythm with the cold, electronic keyboard line, the hint of a country vibe in the vocal, the cheeky bits of percussion, and then the glory of the sax solo - it's got everything. The way Prince then translated it to the SoTT concert film highlighted the brilliance of studio work, while also showing the genius of Prince live - how he could take the cold, mechanical sheen of the studio and make it explode with the warm colours of a band playing live, together.

"It", I agree, is harder to love but I've always had time for it. What has recently sealed it for me was someone (I can't remember where - on the Org? On a podcast?) pointing out that it is very similar to Sign O The Times the song, in terms of feel, instrumentation, the guitar solos, etc. You can see it as the direct flipside of that song. Also, doesn't Prince do an impression of that robot from Buck Rogers towards the end of "It"? How cool is that?!

Overall, I've got to agree with people who say that the album is perfect as it is. The work of a lot of thought and effort to get the sequencing correct, to balance the sides and balance the whole. There are better individual songs Prince could have put on, no doubt, but this album is a 'set'.

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Could not agree more on how you put it.

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First when I heard "HOT THING" ...

Who the hell out there is capable to SPIT-OUT these famous funky first two words ?!

So willingly ready to uncontrolably fuck that 'Hot Thing', blinded in a flash by it's exposing HOT beauty, dancing so good. The drilling funk...

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"It" is indeed 'one of those hard to love songs' to most here aparently.

But i've always had a weak spot for those that needed more effort, more digging.

That contrary intertwine between the guitar solo and the two-chord synth was an unheard Prince to me by then.

Prince's difficult songs are (to me) the unexpected underground sounds that made him rich in the understanding of going further than they usual musical approaches.

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SOTT is indeed perfect. The 1987 couldn't be a better cramped, well thought of sequenced asseblage into a four sided LP.

For how I experienced Prince's universe, the eighties ended right there in 1987 after it's release.

And the nineties kicked off early with 'Lovesexy'. Prince was always faster and ahead of his own shadow.

As if the sun came out.

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To me, 'Batman' was kind of a side journey as if he had something to proof after that great 'SOTT' and misconceived 'Lovesexy' masterpiece.

It was sort of a short burst or craving for the stardom he had experienced before.

As if he needed that vehicle of the movie which was not his as a brief recognition or a transition to a new time in his own fast universe.

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #63 posted 09/15/20 8:25am

jasopig

This reminds me of the discussions about how you could trim Emancipation down to 10-12 songs to make it one of the greatest albums ever. Except nobody can agree on the 10-12 songs. There is no bad Prince song, only a song that hasn't resonated with you... yet.

Check that, "Purple and Gold" is a terrible song disliked by 100% of the humans who have heard it.

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Reply #64 posted 09/15/20 8:17pm

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It, Starfish and Coffee, Hot Thing, Slow Love, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, The Cross, Strange Relationship.

This album was NEVER a favorite.

Just a bunch of stuff thrown together.

However, I've always heard a subpar version of this album; first on cassette and then on CD.

Maybe the remaster will change my mind.

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Reply #65 posted 09/15/20 8:19pm

sro100

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jasopig said:

This reminds me of the discussions about how you could trim Emancipation down to 10-12 songs to make it one of the greatest albums ever. Except nobody can agree on the 10-12 songs. There is no bad Prince song, only a song that hasn't resonated with you... yet.

Check that, "Purple and Gold" is a terrible song disliked by 100% of the humans who have heard it.

Wrong about "Purple and Gold." It's fine for what it is. I just wished the Vikings used it. I don't even think the Vikings were playing "Let's Go Crazy" for touchdowns this week.

But F--K the Vikings and the NFL and the NBA and all of them.

Get woke and go broke.

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Reply #66 posted 09/17/20 12:01pm

CAL3

jasopig said:

This reminds me of the discussions about how you could trim Emancipation down to 10-12 songs to make it one of the greatest albums ever. Except nobody can agree on the 10-12 songs. There is no bad Prince song, only a song that hasn't resonated with you... yet.



Check that, "Purple and Gold" is a terrible song disliked by 100% of the humans who have heard it.


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Oh dear Lord in heaven...
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Sooooo many bad Prince songs. And with these posthumous messes, they just keep on coming.
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Reply #67 posted 09/17/20 12:46pm

slyjackson

CAL3 said:

jasopig said:

This reminds me of the discussions about how you could trim Emancipation down to 10-12 songs to make it one of the greatest albums ever. Except nobody can agree on the 10-12 songs. There is no bad Prince song, only a song that hasn't resonated with you... yet.

Check that, "Purple and Gold" is a terrible song disliked by 100% of the humans who have heard it.

. Oh dear Lord in heaven... . Soooooo many bad Prince songs. And with these posthumous messes, they just keep on coming.

What are those bad song according to you?

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Reply #68 posted 09/17/20 12:57pm

CAL3

slyjackson said:



CAL3 said:


jasopig said:

This reminds me of the discussions about how you could trim Emancipation down to 10-12 songs to make it one of the greatest albums ever. Except nobody can agree on the 10-12 songs. There is no bad Prince song, only a song that hasn't resonated with you... yet.



Check that, "Purple and Gold" is a terrible song disliked by 100% of the humans who have heard it.



. Oh dear Lord in heaven... . Sooooo many bad Prince songs. And with these posthumous messes, they just keep on coming.

What are those bad song according to you?


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Not to shoot fish in a barrel...
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Take “Call My Name” off Musicology and we can start with that whole abomination of an album.
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Reply #69 posted 09/17/20 1:23pm

emesem

eek Did this guy just say "Ballad of Dorothy Parker" is "sub-par" eek

That is like a top 3 Prince of all time.

sro100 said:

It, Starfish and Coffee, Hot Thing, Slow Love, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, The Cross, Strange Relationship.

This album was NEVER a favorite.

Just a bunch of stuff thrown together.

However, I've always heard a subpar version of this album; first on cassette and then on CD.

Maybe the remaster will change my mind.

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Reply #70 posted 09/17/20 1:47pm

sro100

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emesem said:

eek Did this guy just say "Ballad of Dorothy Parker" is "sub-par" eek

That is like a top 3 Prince of all time.

sro100 said:

It, Starfish and Coffee, Hot Thing, Slow Love, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, The Cross, Strange Relationship.

This album was NEVER a favorite.

Just a bunch of stuff thrown together.

However, I've always heard a subpar version of this album; first on cassette and then on CD.

Maybe the remaster will change my mind.

Yeah. Did this guy, who took his name from a rapper, just questioned the fact that people have different tastes?

So f----ing what?

I'd say my favorite P album is "The Gold Experience" and my favorite track is "P Control" and guess what? It makes no difference at all to me whether you have the same opinion. prince

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Reply #71 posted 09/17/20 1:54pm

slyjackson

sro100 said:

It, Starfish and Coffee, Hot Thing, Slow Love, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, The Cross, Strange Relationship.

This album was NEVER a favorite.

Just a bunch of stuff thrown together.

However, I've always heard a subpar version of this album; first on cassette and then on CD.

Maybe the remaster will change my mind.

What's wrong with you Dani?

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Reply #72 posted 09/17/20 2:04pm

sro100

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slyjackson said:

sro100 said:

It, Starfish and Coffee, Hot Thing, Slow Love, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, The Cross, Strange Relationship.

This album was NEVER a favorite.

Just a bunch of stuff thrown together.

However, I've always heard a subpar version of this album; first on cassette and then on CD.

Maybe the remaster will change my mind.

What's wrong with you Dani?

Who is Dani? See above.

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Reply #73 posted 09/17/20 2:45pm

slyjackson

sro100 said:

emesem said:

eek Did this guy just say "Ballad of Dorothy Parker" is "sub-par" eek

That is like a top 3 Prince of all time.

Yeah. Did this guy, who took his name from a rapper, just questioned the fact that people have different tastes?

So f----ing what?

I'd say my favorite P album is "The Gold Experience" and my favorite track is "P Control" and guess what? It makes no difference at all to me whether you have the same opinion. prince

JUast that you've got not taste whatsoever, nothing much else.

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Reply #74 posted 09/17/20 2:45pm

slyjackson

CAL3 said:

slyjackson said:

What are those bad song according to you?

. Not to shoot fish in a barrel... . Take “Call My Name” off Musicology and we can start with that whole abomination of an album.

What's wrong with Call My Name? it's a beautiful song.

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Reply #75 posted 09/17/20 2:45pm

slyjackson

sro100 said:

slyjackson said:

What's wrong with you Dani?

Who is Dani? See above.

You're Dani.

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Reply #76 posted 09/17/20 2:50pm

sro100

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slyjackson said:

sro100 said:

Who is Dani? See above.

You're Dani.

No, not even close. I'm sure there's some clever reason you think that though. Good for you! Dick.

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Reply #77 posted 09/17/20 2:51pm

sro100

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slyjackson said:

sro100 said:

Yeah. Did this guy, who took his name from a rapper, just questioned the fact that people have different tastes?

So f----ing what?

I'd say my favorite P album is "The Gold Experience" and my favorite track is "P Control" and guess what? It makes no difference at all to me whether you have the same opinion. prince

JUast that you've got not taste whatsoever, nothing much else.

Well from my point of view you're classless, presumptive, arrogant and you have very limited intelligence. So I guess we're even.

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Reply #78 posted 09/17/20 4:50pm

WhisperingDand
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slyjackson said:

CAL3 said:

slyjackson said: . Not to shoot fish in a barrel... . Take “Call My Name” off Musicology and we can start with that whole abomination of an album.

What's wrong with Call My Name? it's a beautiful song.

He's saying that's the only good song on the record. As in "Take 'Call My Name' off" and then he considers everything left on that specific album an "abomination".

[Edited 9/17/20 16:50pm]

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Reply #79 posted 09/17/20 6:52pm

slyjackson

WhisperingDandelions said:

slyjackson said:

What's wrong with Call My Name? it's a beautiful song.

He's saying that's the only good song on the record. As in "Take 'Call My Name' off" and then he considers everything left on that specific album an "abomination".

[Edited 9/17/20 16:50pm]

Yeah I see now, sorry I didn't read well.

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Reply #80 posted 09/17/20 6:54pm

slyjackson

sro100 said:

slyjackson said:

You're Dani.

No, not even close. I'm sure there's some clever reason you think that though. Good for you! Dick.

You're a Dani to me.

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Reply #81 posted 09/17/20 7:50pm

sro100

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slyjackson said:

sro100 said:

No, not even close. I'm sure there's some clever reason you think that though. Good for you! Dick.

You're a Dani to me.

OK Dick.

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Reply #82 posted 09/18/20 6:55am

CAL3

WhisperingDandelions said:



slyjackson said:




CAL3 said:


slyjackson said: . Not to shoot fish in a barrel... . Take “Call My Name” off Musicology and we can start with that whole abomination of an album.

What's wrong with Call My Name? it's a beautiful song.



He's saying that's the only good song on the record. As in "Take 'Call My Name' off" and then he considers everything left on that specific album an "abomination".

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I use the word “abomination” fairly loosely here.
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“Seriously subpar” would be more accurate. But as to no “bad” Prince songs, I do start with that crappy album.
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“Illusion Coma Pimp and Circumstance” is a very bad song.
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“Reflection” is a very bad song.
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Most of it is just so blah - it’s far beneath his standards.
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Mind you, anyone can of course LIKE songs like the ones I mentioned but that doesn’t make them “good.”
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Reply #83 posted 09/18/20 1:39pm

slyjackson

sro100 said:

slyjackson said:

You're a Dani to me.

OK Dick.

Dani stop it.

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Reply #84 posted 09/18/20 1:40pm

slyjackson

CAL3 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

He's saying that's the only good song on the record. As in "Take 'Call My Name' off" and then he considers everything left on that specific album an "abomination".

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. I use the word “abomination” fairly loosely here. . “Seriously subpar” would be more accurate. But as to no “bad” Prince songs, I do start with that crappy album. . “Illusion Coma Pimp and Circumstance” is a very bad song. . “Reflection” is a very bad song. . Most of it is just so blah - it’s far beneath his standards. . Mind you, anyone can of course LIKE songs like the ones I mentioned but that doesn’t make them “good.”

What's bad about Reflection?

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Reply #85 posted 09/18/20 3:27pm

MIInsane

CAL3 said:

slyjackson said:

What are those bad song according to you?

. Not to shoot fish in a barrel... . Take “Call My Name” off Musicology and we can start with that whole abomination of an album.

"Cinnamon Girl" is a great song. Might be in my Top 20 of all time Prince tunes.

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Reply #86 posted 09/19/20 8:03pm

POOK

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POOK

LOVE

SLOW

LOVE


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Reply #87 posted 09/19/20 9:15pm

HamsterHuey

POOK said:

POOK LOVE SLOW LOVE


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