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Reply #330 posted 09/10/20 8:02am

jaawwnn

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thanks for that Donny, is there any way of seeing what he is responding to each time?

I also saw he wrote this in relation to credits:

ALL I KNOW IS WENDY AND LISA ARE LEGENDS AND I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED THEM KICK SOME MUSICAL ASS! LEGENDS NEEDS NO CREDITS!HISTORY ALL READY MADE!

which is a fair stance imho. I'd like to hear more from him for sure.

[Edited 9/10/20 8:03am]

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Reply #331 posted 09/10/20 8:12am

donnyenglish

jaawwnn said:

thanks for that Donny, is there any way of seeing what he is responding to each time?

I also saw he wrote this in relation to credits:

ALL I KNOW IS WENDY AND LISA ARE LEGENDS AND I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED THEM KICK SOME MUSICAL ASS! LEGENDS NEEDS NO CREDITS!HISTORY ALL READY MADE!

which is a fair stance imho. I'd like to hear more from him for sure.

[Edited 9/10/20 8:03am]

He makes a good point, which might explain why many of the other band members are not jockying for credit. I can't figure out how to share the link to the facebook thread. I'm sure someone else has it.

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

not all true if you were in the room like I have been

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

This is all so funny for me! I'm there since 1983 and know much more than what I've read by people who weren't in the same room including past engineers. Which many times on many tracks I've seen only himself working the controls that the engineers set up and then asked to leave! Many have forgotten that I was actually there with him

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

it was all him! Others where just others! People crying now mega years late? Pat's on the back bullshit! I'm sad because he can't tell his side of the story but I can but don't want to call folks liars!

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

confirmed? By a witness or a book? I'm sorry to say that he has told me things directly to my face! Maybe you too as well?

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

Why should anyone care about credits unless one's ego needs feeding and a pat on the funking back!

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Reply #332 posted 09/10/20 1:50pm

violetcrush

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Missing the point again. He had a mixed band because he had an agenda. 3 black up front 3 white in the back. Yeah it was sly influenced. But there was a reason. That quote from 1985 is constantly used whenever his blackness is brought up end discussed and idk why because you clearly misunderstood what he meant. He didn’t want to be pigeonholed into one genre. That had nothing to do with what I said. At the end of the day he was a black artist. He just didn’t want the black budget or to only play r@b. That was his point. Y’all take that and run with it as if uptown and paisley park are some kind of utopia so you can ignore his blackness. And I’m talking about his real life influences from Minneapolis; Sonny T, etc . Not the ones magazines constantly wanted to bring up. Yeah he listened to all kinds music but that ain’t what I meant. Hendrix is a lazy comparison and as a YouTuber you should know better. He played more like Santana than Hendrix. They only get compared cause he’s black. Funny how that works. violetcrush said:

Prince, 1985 MTV interview:

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"I strive for originality in my work, and hopefully it'll be perceived that way."

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Question: "Some people have criticized you for selling out to the white rock audience, and leaving your black listeners behind. How do you respond to that?"

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Prince: "Oh come on. Come on!. (jokingly) Cuff Links like this cost money, okay? Let's be frank. Can we be frank? If we can't be nothing else we can be frank, kay? Seriously, um, I was brought up in a black and white world. And, yes, black and white. Night and day.Rich and poor. Black and white, and I listened to all kinds of music when I was young. And when I was younger I always said that one day I was gonna play all kinds of music, and not be judged for the color of my skin, but the quality of my work. Hopefully that will continue. I think there are a lot of people out there that understand this, cause they support me and my habits, and support them and theirs."

Um.....regarding the musical influences - PRINCE actually gave the names TO the journalists. They were not randomly guessing who his influences were. HE gave those names - Stevie, Jimi, Sly, Santana, Fleetwood Mac (whom he mentioned many times), Joni, Chaka, etc. HE gave out these names. Of course he also had influences from his MN neighborhood, and yes, Sonny T was a mentor, but he met Sonny as a teenager when he was forming his local bands. Not the same thing at all.

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3 black in the front and 3 white in the back??? Then how do you explain WENDY right up front and center next to Prince in The Revolution? AND there were then 2 black and 4 white musicians. So, sorry, your theory doesn't add up.

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Oh, and your comment about Prince playing more like Santana then Hendrix?? Yeah, I know that came from Prince too. Of course he loved Santana and often played "pretty" guitar like him, but he ALSO ripped it like Hendrix on MANY occasions. And if you don't know that then you probably need to go back and listen to songs like Bambi. He also covered Jimi as much as he did Santana. Nothing to do with them both being black.

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And no one is ignoring the fact that Prince was a black artist. HE clearly didn't want his race to be a factor at all in his music, and if you listen to his lyrics you can understand that. He wanted to be known as an ARTIST who created a variety of sounds and songs. You need to listen to his lyrics to Uptown and Paisley Park again if you think "the white people are trying to use those songs to ignore his blackness" (as you stated) -

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Uptown: "Black, white, Puerto Rican. Everybody just a freakin'"

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Paisley Park:

"For love is the color
This place imparts (Paisley Park)
Admission is easy, just say you
Believe and come to this
Place in your heart"

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Reply #333 posted 09/10/20 1:55pm

violetcrush

donnyenglish said:

jaawwnn said:

thanks for that Donny, is there any way of seeing what he is responding to each time?

I also saw he wrote this in relation to credits:

ALL I KNOW IS WENDY AND LISA ARE LEGENDS AND I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED THEM KICK SOME MUSICAL ASS! LEGENDS NEEDS NO CREDITS!HISTORY ALL READY MADE!

which is a fair stance imho. I'd like to hear more from him for sure.

[Edited 9/10/20 8:03am]

He makes a good point, which might explain why many of the other band members are not jockying for credit. I can't figure out how to share the link to the facebook thread. I'm sure someone else has it.

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

not all true if you were in the room like I have been

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

This is all so funny for me! I'm there since 1983 and know much more than what I've read by people who weren't in the same room including past engineers. Which many times on many tracks I've seen only himself working the controls that the engineers set up and then asked to leave! Many have forgotten that I was actually there with him

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

it was all him! Others where just others! People crying now mega years late? Pat's on the back bullshit! I'm sad because he can't tell his side of the story but I can but don't want to call folks liars!

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

confirmed? By a witness or a book? I'm sorry to say that he has told me things directly to my face! Maybe you too as well?

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

Why should anyone care about credits unless one's ego needs feeding and a pat on the funking back!

Bolded comment: I think just about ALL of Prince's Engineers - including Susan Rogers on the first podcast when telling the story of recording Power Fantastic - have stated that Prince would record his vocals ALONE in the studio after they had done the setup. Susannah Melvoin stated this duirng her interview with Toure. She said, "everybody had to be out when Prince did his vocals."

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So, I'm not sure - other than the PF story where Susan Rogers stated Prince had no choice but to let her stay in the control room due to lack of headphones - where else any of the associates or Engineers have stated they were ALWAYS in the studio with Prince from start to finish??

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Reply #334 posted 09/10/20 4:31pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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violetcrush said:

donnyenglish said:

He makes a good point, which might explain why many of the other band members are not jockying for credit. I can't figure out how to share the link to the facebook thread. I'm sure someone else has it.

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

not all true if you were in the room like I have been

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

This is all so funny for me! I'm there since 1983 and know much more than what I've read by people who weren't in the same room including past engineers. Which many times on many tracks I've seen only himself working the controls that the engineers set up and then asked to leave! Many have forgotten that I was actually there with him

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

it was all him! Others where just others! People crying now mega years late? Pat's on the back bullshit! I'm sad because he can't tell his side of the story but I can but don't want to call folks liars!

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

confirmed? By a witness or a book? I'm sorry to say that he has told me things directly to my face! Maybe you too as well?

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

Why should anyone care about credits unless one's ego needs feeding and a pat on the funking back!

Bolded comment: I think just about ALL of Prince's Engineers - including Susan Rogers on the first podcast when telling the story of recording Power Fantastic - have stated that Prince would record his vocals ALONE in the studio after they had done the setup. Susannah Melvoin stated this duirng her interview with Toure. She said, "everybody had to be out when Prince did his vocals."

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So, I'm not sure - other than the PF story where Susan Rogers stated Prince had no choice but to let her stay in the control room due to lack of headphones - where else any of the associates or Engineers have stated they were ALWAYS in the studio with Prince from start to finish??

I think he also said in the 85 Mtv thing that he would have the engener set up the board and then send them out so he could work alone with the act.

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Reply #335 posted 09/10/20 6:34pm

violetcrush

OnlyNDaUsa said:

violetcrush said:

Bolded comment: I think just about ALL of Prince's Engineers - including Susan Rogers on the first podcast when telling the story of recording Power Fantastic - have stated that Prince would record his vocals ALONE in the studio after they had done the setup. Susannah Melvoin stated this duirng her interview with Toure. She said, "everybody had to be out when Prince did his vocals."

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So, I'm not sure - other than the PF story where Susan Rogers stated Prince had no choice but to let her stay in the control room due to lack of headphones - where else any of the associates or Engineers have stated they were ALWAYS in the studio with Prince from start to finish??

I think he also said in the 85 Mtv thing that he would have the engener set up the board and then send them out so he could work alone with the act.

Yes, I believe he did. Many associates and Engineers have confirmed that he would be alone when recording his vocals. Very sweet I think. He needed the privacy and space to get it out.

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Wally and Power Fantastic may have been part of only a handful of times when an Engineer or associate was present for his vocals.

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Reply #336 posted 09/11/20 7:16am

tab32792

So....Sonny T isn't a big influence because he met him as a teenager?

and what was the configuration of the band from 1978-1983? lol that's the one i was referring to

if you were a musician you'd know what i meant. Using overdrive and distortion are not the same as playing like hendrix. Jimi was a blues player. Prince is not. He can play blues well but that's not how he played. I'm well aware of his covers. Santana ripped it on occasion too as you should know. that's what i meant. So yes the comparison is still lazy

and lol here yall go again using 2 songs from the 80's when that has nothing to do with what i said. listen to songs from 1991 on that talked about issues and topics regarding race; specifically black folks. he didn't want race to be a factor when it came to him being and becoming a superstar or the fact that he was black meant he had to only play one kind of music. that is what he meant. not whatever bullshit people use to make it easier to digest being a fan/stan/obsessed with a black musician. and most of the statements he made are early on. once he was established he was free to do and be what and who he was when and how he wanted

violetcrush said:

tab32792 said:

Missing the point again. He had a mixed band because he had an agenda. 3 black up front 3 white in the back. Yeah it was sly influenced. But there was a reason. That quote from 1985 is constantly used whenever his blackness is brought up end discussed and idk why because you clearly misunderstood what he meant. He didn’t want to be pigeonholed into one genre. That had nothing to do with what I said. At the end of the day he was a black artist. He just didn’t want the black budget or to only play r@b. That was his point. Y’all take that and run with it as if uptown and paisley park are some kind of utopia so you can ignore his blackness. And I’m talking about his real life influences from Minneapolis; Sonny T, etc . Not the ones magazines constantly wanted to bring up. Yeah he listened to all kinds music but that ain’t what I meant. Hendrix is a lazy comparison and as a YouTuber you should know better. He played more like Santana than Hendrix. They only get compared cause he’s black. Funny how that works. violetcrush said:

Um.....regarding the musical influences - PRINCE actually gave the names TO the journalists. They were not randomly guessing who his influences were. HE gave those names - Stevie, Jimi, Sly, Santana, Fleetwood Mac (whom he mentioned many times), Joni, Chaka, etc. HE gave out these names. Of course he also had influences from his MN neighborhood, and yes, Sonny T was a mentor, but he met Sonny as a teenager when he was forming his local bands. Not the same thing at all.

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3 black in the front and 3 white in the back??? Then how do you explain WENDY right up front and center next to Prince in The Revolution? AND there were then 2 black and 4 white musicians. So, sorry, your theory doesn't add up.

*

Oh, and your comment about Prince playing more like Santana then Hendrix?? Yeah, I know that came from Prince too. Of course he loved Santana and often played "pretty" guitar like him, but he ALSO ripped it like Hendrix on MANY occasions. And if you don't know that then you probably need to go back and listen to songs like Bambi. He also covered Jimi as much as he did Santana. Nothing to do with them both being black.

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And no one is ignoring the fact that Prince was a black artist. HE clearly didn't want his race to be a factor at all in his music, and if you listen to his lyrics you can understand that. He wanted to be known as an ARTIST who created a variety of sounds and songs. You need to listen to his lyrics to Uptown and Paisley Park again if you think "the white people are trying to use those songs to ignore his blackness" (as you stated) -

*

Uptown: "Black, white, Puerto Rican. Everybody just a freakin'"

*

Paisley Park:

"For love is the color
This place imparts (Paisley Park)
Admission is easy, just say you
Believe and come to this
Place in your heart"

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Reply #337 posted 09/13/20 5:03pm

violetcrush

tab32792 said:

So....Sonny T isn't a big influence because he met him as a teenager?

and what was the configuration of the band from 1978-1983? lol that's the one i was referring to

if you were a musician you'd know what i meant. Using overdrive and distortion are not the same as playing like hendrix. Jimi was a blues player. Prince is not. He can play blues well but that's not how he played. I'm well aware of his covers. Santana ripped it on occasion too as you should know. that's what i meant. So yes the comparison is still lazy

and lol here yall go again using 2 songs from the 80's when that has nothing to do with what i said. listen to songs from 1991 on that talked about issues and topics regarding race; specifically black folks. he didn't want race to be a factor when it came to him being and becoming a superstar or the fact that he was black meant he had to only play one kind of music. that is what he meant. not whatever bullshit people use to make it easier to digest being a fan/stan/obsessed with a black musician. and most of the statements he made are early on. once he was established he was free to do and be what and who he was when and how he wanted

violetcrush said:

Um.....regarding the musical influences - PRINCE actually gave the names TO the journalists. They were not randomly guessing who his influences were. HE gave those names - Stevie, Jimi, Sly, Santana, Fleetwood Mac (whom he mentioned many times), Joni, Chaka, etc. HE gave out these names. Of course he also had influences from his MN neighborhood, and yes, Sonny T was a mentor, but he met Sonny as a teenager when he was forming his local bands. Not the same thing at all.

*

3 black in the front and 3 white in the back??? Then how do you explain WENDY right up front and center next to Prince in The Revolution? AND there were then 2 black and 4 white musicians. So, sorry, your theory doesn't add up.

*

Oh, and your comment about Prince playing more like Santana then Hendrix?? Yeah, I know that came from Prince too. Of course he loved Santana and often played "pretty" guitar like him, but he ALSO ripped it like Hendrix on MANY occasions. And if you don't know that then you probably need to go back and listen to songs like Bambi. He also covered Jimi as much as he did Santana. Nothing to do with them both being black.

*

And no one is ignoring the fact that Prince was a black artist. HE clearly didn't want his race to be a factor at all in his music, and if you listen to his lyrics you can understand that. He wanted to be known as an ARTIST who created a variety of sounds and songs. You need to listen to his lyrics to Uptown and Paisley Park again if you think "the white people are trying to use those songs to ignore his blackness" (as you stated) -

*

Uptown: "Black, white, Puerto Rican. Everybody just a freakin'"

*

Paisley Park:

"For love is the color
This place imparts (Paisley Park)
Admission is easy, just say you
Believe and come to this
Place in your heart"

Bolded comment above: That is EXACTLY what i had stated in my earlier post with quoting Prince in his 1985 interview, which is EXACTLY what he was saying to the public.

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And yes, Jimi WAS abslolutely an influence on Prince, as he mentions him in the 1985 RS interview as well. Even Jesse Johnson tells the story of when he first met Prince at his show, and he said, "I see you like Jimi Hendrix too", and Prince responded, "Oh I don't really know his music", to which Jesse laughed and replied, "man you are full of shit!!" He told that story during his interview with Questlove.

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And, I never stated that Sonny T was not an influence on Prince with his Bass playing. What I said was - Prince had discovered MANY musicians and was influenced by them prior to even meeting Sonny. Of course he thought Sonny was a kick-ass player, which is why he eventually brought him in to his band. However, Prince had spoken numerous times about who his major influences were when he was growing up in MN and listening to the radio or playing records.

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Reply #338 posted 09/13/20 9:50pm

TrivialPursuit

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Prince greatly respected Sonny T., and spoke highly of him.

Dude was even in Jesse Johnson's band for a while (I think during Shockadelica period). That was about 1986, and by 1991, he was in Prince's band. Probably around before that since he had been recording with Prince for the then-forthcoming Diamonds and Pearls. Miko jetted, Levi took over guitar, Sonny got bass. He played on albums by Jevetta, Mavis, George Clinton, Tevin, Margie Cox, ...dude was on many of those side projects.

While he's older, I believe Prince saw him equally as a mentor and a peer. Sonny is probably the best bass player Prince ever had in his band. Not to say the others are bad, but Sonny is just ... better.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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