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Reply #120 posted 07/17/20 5:45pm

PurpleColossus

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Just heard it, this is an excellent version! music 8 years...Prince sure had the discipline to hold onto a song for the right album.

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Reply #121 posted 07/17/20 5:47pm

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This is apparently the same version that was being passed around with traders and it was assumed to be from 82... which I guess is what started the whole "1982 version" thinking in the first place.

To be fair, if I heard this I would not think 79' at all, but I believe the estate if they really did find the tape labeled May 79'.

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Reply #122 posted 07/17/20 5:47pm

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funkytriton25 said:

AvocadosMax said:

funkytriton25 said: Honestly it sounds like an early Prince realizing his ‘normal’ or chest voice. He sounds good too, but not quite there yet. When he screams during the “thats when I first saw— AH,” it sounds like his early screams. Like he hasn’t got the balls in his scream quite yet; now ik he probably could have just did that for the rough cut, but still. Idk how people are saying it sounds like Prince from ‘82. Got the new wave vibe with his early chest vocals so its gonna sound weird to us. But it’s interesting

It sounds so different from what he was doing vocally at the time, especially in his lower register. It almost sounds like he took the original mix and recorded a test vocal track on top of it a few years later.

That's what I think. To me it seems like he re-recorded the main vocals and just didn't change the date on the master. this just doesn't sound anything like 1979 Prince at all but I'm still glad we're getting it.

[Edited 7/17/20 17:49pm]

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Reply #123 posted 07/17/20 6:17pm

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I think his chest voice in this seems a little ‘off’ in that until this point he had only used a falsetto. He is literally figuring out how to sing non-falsetto in this moment.
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Reply #124 posted 07/17/20 6:41pm

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Better than the original and SOTT is my favorite Prince record.

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Reply #125 posted 07/17/20 6:51pm

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dbpdexter said:

funkytriton25 said:

It sounds so different from what he was doing vocally at the time, especially in his lower register. It almost sounds like he took the original mix and recorded a test vocal track on top of it a few years later.

That's what I think. To me it seems like he re-recorded the main vocals and just didn't change the date on the master. this just doesn't sound anything like 1979 Prince at all but I'm still glad we're getting it.

[Edited 7/17/20 17:49pm]

Me, too! biggrin

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Reply #126 posted 07/17/20 9:06pm

funkman88

yes its nice to here but clearly this is like Michael Jordan at North Carolina and the 1987 version is the Michael Jordan with the Bulls! biggrin biggrin

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Reply #127 posted 07/17/20 9:06pm

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After the 3rd time listening,I can now say I love this version!! Not as good as the SOTT version but it is great.Sounds like it belongs on the Rebels album.
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Reply #128 posted 07/18/20 7:08am

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What a glorious song! A sign of brilliant things to come! biggrin

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Reply #129 posted 07/18/20 9:51am

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The outro is everything!

“But I’ll try…I’ll sure as hell try…” changes the tone of the song!

The SOTT version is my favorite, but I love this one too.
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Reply #130 posted 07/18/20 1:48pm

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Romeoblu said:

Excellent version. So pleased it's not just some acoustic demo like the Feel For You release. I does have a similar sound to I Can't Stop, Do yourself a favour and Teacher,Teacher from 1982. They would all work well in a new wave pop rock playlist.

"Just some acoustic demo"? eek

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Reply #131 posted 07/18/20 2:56pm

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This is great! I was expecting something a lot more stripped down for some reason - very glad to get a new wave rave up instead! I agree with other comments that it sounds like it could fit on The Rebels or Dirty Mind.

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Reply #132 posted 07/18/20 2:57pm

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sulls said:

Pellwormer said:

I just feel those good ole new wave vibe...like the album "Look sharp" by Joe Jackson

I’ve been digging that vibe recently. Dirty Mind / Controversy. BRING IT!


Hell yeah! If the early albums aren't buttressed by enough vault material for full super deluxe editions, I would LOVE a combined Dirty Mind/Controversy super deluxe.

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Reply #133 posted 07/18/20 5:04pm

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lustmealways said:

This is apparently the same version that was being passed around with traders and it was assumed to be from 82... which I guess is what started the whole "1982 version" thinking in the first place.

To be fair, if I heard this I would not think 79' at all, but I believe the estate if they really did find the tape labeled May 79'.


Makes sense.

Who would have thought Prince had this sharp blade of a vocal delivery
in his Swiss Army Knife so early on?

I still can't wrap my head around how "older Prince" the lead vocal take sounds like.
It's that damn confidence in the delivery.
Thank God for Mick Jones and Joe Strummer.

What an arranger, Ladies and Gents.
Give the man no more than an eight track recorder already, damn.

Seven layers?
A mono reduction would be interesting.

It's one of the rare cases where two versions of the same song work equally. It works as a Country New Wavish Punk manifesto, and as a Country Sixties Hippie Blues.



[Edited 7/18/20 17:06pm]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #134 posted 07/18/20 6:24pm

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Love that it's so different.

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Reply #135 posted 07/18/20 9:35pm

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This is awesome. One of my favorite Prince songs. I love every version/arrangement of this song that he's done. music

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Reply #136 posted 07/19/20 4:38am

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Everybody keeps saying that it sounds like "When you were mine" but are surprised that it is from 1979. Well, "Dirty mind", the album "When you were mine" is on, was released in 1980 so why would it be a surprise that a song that sounds like it would have been recorded in 1979?

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Reply #137 posted 07/19/20 5:53am

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djdaffy1227 said:

Everybody keeps saying that it sounds like "When you were mine" but are surprised that it is from 1979. Well, "Dirty mind", the album "When you were mine" is on, was released in 1980 so why would it be a surprise that a song that sounds like it would have been recorded in 1979?

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DM was recorded more than a year after this track.

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Reply #138 posted 07/19/20 6:22am

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Ok, 1 year is not that long in the grand scheme of things. Not enough that it should shock people that it sounds the same as stuff a year later. The sound had to start somewhere.
Making love and music are the only things worth fighting for.
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Reply #139 posted 07/19/20 6:44am

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djdaffy1227 said:

Ok, 1 year is not that long in the grand scheme of things. Not enough that it should shock people that it sounds the same as stuff a year later. The sound had to start somewhere.



word...his rebuttal made it seem like more than a year apart, and a year apart, were substantially different... i dont get it
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Reply #140 posted 07/19/20 12:23pm

funkman88

he should have saved this till NEWPOWERSOUL so it could have at least one good track on it! biggrin

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Reply #141 posted 07/19/20 12:52pm

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djdaffy1227 said:

Ok, 1 year is not that long in the grand scheme of things. Not enough that it should shock people that it sounds the same as stuff a year later. The sound had to start somewhere.

Its surprising that it started this early is all, certainly the Rebels sessions, recorded two months later, don't sound too much like this. 1979 is actually short on outtakes amongst the general public, one wonders if there's a lot unheard stuff. Maybe it'll emerge that like Around the World in a Day, the Dirty Mind sound was already finalised before the previous albums release. Anyone know when the Sister demo/writing tape is from?
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Reply #142 posted 07/19/20 2:11pm

Phase3

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he should have saved this till NEWPOWERSOUL so it could have at least one good track on it! biggrin


Are You are forgetting about "The One" and "Wasted Kisses"?
I think be should've saved it for the Planet earth album
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Reply #143 posted 07/19/20 2:21pm

funkman88

Phase3 said:

funkman88 said:

he should have saved this till NEWPOWERSOUL so it could have at least one good track on it! biggrin

Are You are forgetting about "The One" and "Wasted Kisses"? I think be should've saved it for the Planet earth album [Edited 7/19/20 14:11pm]

my badd...wasted kissed omg! wink the one sucked ans was corny and egotistical..only the one is God

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Reply #144 posted 07/20/20 1:14am

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djdaffy1227 said:

Ok, 1 year is not that long in the grand scheme of things. Not enough that it should shock people that it sounds the same as stuff a year later. The sound had to start somewhere.

nod There's a "circulating among traders only" track from 1977 that'd be too wild even for Dirty Mind. Prince sometimes toyed with ideas, sounds and concepts that he'd revisit later.
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Reply #145 posted 07/20/20 1:47am

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databank said:

djdaffy1227 said:
Ok, 1 year is not that long in the grand scheme of things. Not enough that it should shock people that it sounds the same as stuff a year later. The sound had to start somewhere.
nod There's a "circulating among traders only" track from 1977 that'd be too wild even for Dirty Mind. Prince sometimes toyed with ideas, sounds and concepts that he'd revisit later.

Do you know the name of the song?!

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Reply #146 posted 07/20/20 2:18am

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jaawwnn said:

djdaffy1227 said:
Ok, 1 year is not that long in the grand scheme of things. Not enough that it should shock people that it sounds the same as stuff a year later. The sound had to start somewhere.
Its surprising that it started this early is all, certainly the Rebels sessions, recorded two months later, don't sound too much like this. 1979 is actually short on outtakes amongst the general public, one wonders if there's a lot unheard stuff. Maybe it'll emerge that like Around the World in a Day, the Dirty Mind sound was already finalised before the previous albums release. Anyone know when the Sister demo/writing tape is from? [Edited 7/19/20 12:53pm]

That being the case why have they released ICNTTPOYM on this set? Save it for a Dirty Mind remaster.

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Reply #147 posted 07/20/20 2:37am

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TheEnglishGent said:

jaawwnn said:

djdaffy1227 said: Its surprising that it started this early is all, certainly the Rebels sessions, recorded two months later, don't sound too much like this. 1979 is actually short on outtakes amongst the general public, one wonders if there's a lot unheard stuff. Maybe it'll emerge that like Around the World in a Day, the Dirty Mind sound was already finalised before the previous albums release. Anyone know when the Sister demo/writing tape is from? [Edited 7/19/20 12:53pm]

That being the case why have they released ICNTTPOYM on this set? Save it for a Dirty Mind remaster.

From superdeluxeedition.com interview with Michael Howe:


SDE: Where did you decide the start and end points were for this Sign O’ The Times era? Because with Prince, he’d be recording the next album before the current one is even out, so it’s a tricky business…


MH: It’s tricky, but the ballpark was basically late March of 1986 – basically after Parade had been delivered and gone into production, meaning there were going to be no further changes on it – through to the middle of 1987, from a studio standpoint. There are exceptions, because there’s obviously a very, very early version of ‘I Could Never Take The Place of Your Man’ from 1979, that really doesn’t belong anywhere else. That’s so compelling and so essential, that it had to be included. And there were a couple of things that were not Parade items, and that were originally contemplated for Dream Factory or just had the spirit of Sign O’ The Times from a creative standpoint like ‘Power Fantastic’ and the 1985 version of ‘Teacher Teacher’ and ‘All My Dreams’ and a couple of things that pre-dated the end of March ’86, but for the most part, the vast majority of the material is late March 86… well April 86 to mid-87, basically.

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Reply #148 posted 07/20/20 4:33am

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I really don't think All My Dreams should be on there, it's a nail in the coffin for the chances of a Parade Super Deluxe anyway.

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Reply #149 posted 07/20/20 5:01am

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djdaffy1227 said:

Ok, 1 year is not that long in the grand scheme of things. Not enough that it should shock people that it sounds the same as stuff a year later. The sound had to start somewhere.

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Do not agree.

When you are THAT young, a year is like three years.

You can get influenced several times differently in one year, and drastically 'try the change' until it fits and might stay.

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Think about yourself and the new waves of influences, info and images that arrived in your very own young life, just like in Prince's.

We all'defined/moulded' in a few years time and our 'sponge' minds were filled with a lot of different influences. We kept some that formed us, and lost most.

Once you're older, one year, or 5 years, even 10 years don't make that difference anymore.

You are what you is when and not much new influences will ever change your personality or expressions, like when you were in your teens and early twenties.

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Prince's sound was very different on his first three albums :

- the 'FOR YOU' LP, the sound of proving himself,

- recorded between october-december 1977, 18 years old!!! Released in April 1979!

Now this :

- a completely different sound on 'PRINCE,' the longings to become a pop and radio star

- recorded between april & june 1979 ! Remeased October 1979, And right after that...

- the 'Dirty Mind' (the 180° on every level, it even could even be from someone else sound wise,

- recorded in ay and June 1980, and released in october 1980,

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You see, there's not even more than 6 months between albums being released and new recordings for the next one. Let alone the recordings in between, like for others, unused songs etc.

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Just to prove this is PRINCE we're talking about.

In less than 2 and a half years he recorded HIS FRIST 3 released albums, and god knwos how many other unreleased tracks.

A year in his life back then is to compoare with 10 years in our lives (back then...)

wink Peace though.

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