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Reply #60 posted 06/19/20 2:16pm

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SoulAlive said:

yeah,there is a WB executive who saw the movie with the alternate ending.He liked it very much.....says that,in this version,you find yourself rooting for Christopher.He became a more likable person.

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Wouldn't that just make a great dvd to add to Parade Super Deluxe? In colour if possible!

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Reply #61 posted 06/20/20 8:14am

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mediumdry said:

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Wouldn't that just make a great dvd to add to Parade Super Deluxe? In colour if possible!

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Two DVD's?

One the original with remastered video/audio.

Two the colour version with remastered video/audio.

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Reply #62 posted 06/21/20 7:54pm

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without a doubt, NOT bringing the SOTT tour to the US that summer of 87. BIG mistake.

1987 MTV Music Awards, should of played U Got the Look (HUGE in the US at that time) and ICNTTPOYM.

He checked out WAY too early on that project, just to give us the fluffy Lovesexy. gag.

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Reply #63 posted 06/22/20 1:44am

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emesem said:


That thread about the SOTT tour not coming to US got me thinking. What some of Prince's biggest missteps? These come to mind:



Name Change


SOTT Era has a bunch:


If I was your Girlfriend as 2nd single off SOTT


Not touring in US


No video for SOTT single


Moving on too soon with Black Album and LoveSexy


Not a mistake but Death of Baby Amir


LoveSexy cover photo


Directing UTCM himself


Disbanding the Revolution


Incorporating the Game Boyz and Tony M into band


The name "New Power Generation" still corny as AF


Rave


TRC


Not performing at Live Aid (i think not doing We are the World was the right move)



Some thoughts:

Name change: totally okay



SOTT: def needed more US interaction (there is a video for SOTT single, probably the first lyric video ever); "Strange Relationship" should've been a single.



Lovesexy cover: not a mistake, go look at Amorica by The Black Crowes (pubic hair), Dirty Mind (pubic hair), Two Virgins by John Lennon (nudity), almost any Rude Ray Moore album cover (nudity). One has to remember that 1988 was Reagan/Bush era conservative america. Every one was upset about every damn thing. Had that cover come out 10 years later, no one would've thought twice about it. Or even 10 years before. The cover wasn't a mistake, electing Reagan and Bush were. haha



UTCM: probably - I'm not sure how great of a director Mary Lambert would've been for a movie, but someone could've gotten the job done



Revolution: probably had at least another album or two in them, a good 5-year campaign would've been great, but then we wouldn't have had SOTT or Lovesexy as we know it.



Tony M: TOTAL MISTAKE



NPG: great name, it's more of an idea (although The Revolution was too); has anyone ever thought about how silly Paisley Park sounded? It's relative, but NPG is far from a mistake. It's not damanged him. In fact, once he officially adopted the name in the band, he had a #1 hit, his first in a couple of years (not that the name had to do with it, but clearly people didn't find it off-putting when listening to "Cream").



Rave: named anything else would've been fine, but to pull out an old song and tack it on a bunch of new tracks felt like a cheat to fans



TRC: don't even get me started, but in general good music, dogma - no thanks.



Live Aid: It was so scatter brained and nutty, I'm not sure it would've been a great idea anyway. Plus, wasn't he in France at the time or at least gearing up for that? I'm sorta glad he didn't do it. MJ didn't either and no one saw that as a mistake. You know who shouldn't have done Live Aid? Led Zeppelin.



These points are better.
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Reply #64 posted 06/22/20 7:25am

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SoulAlive said:

Not sure if this is true or not,but I recall reading in People magazine why there was no video for the song "Sign O' The Times".Supposedly,Prince was pissed at MTV because they refused to show Jill Jones' "Mia Bocca" video.As retaliation,Prince refused to give them a video for SOTT.Which makes me wonder.....is there a "real" video for the song? hmmm the video with just the lyrics is probably a replacement video that Warners quickly threw together.




Sign the single was dropped in February 87 with the album released in March 87. I remember seeing the video in March 87 about a week before the album dropped.
Now Mia Bocca dropped in April with the album dropping in May.
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Reply #65 posted 06/22/20 8:37am

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I always felt the 'Welcome 2' tours period was a missed opportunity to have a flow of all the musicians/singers etc he's worked with to perform as a band... It was a time when it felt like Prince had already done everything an artist could have done. And felt like a full circle period.
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The missed opportunity to reconnect with the Time(07) the Family and the Revolution at this period, could have added a different spike of excitement and interest I feel.

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Reply #66 posted 06/22/20 9:13am

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I always felt the 'Welcome 2' tours period was a missed opportunity to have a flow of all the musicians/singers etc he's worked with to perform as a band... It was a time when it felt like Prince had already done everything an artist could have done. And felt like a full circle period.
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The missed opportunity to reconnect with the Time(07) the Family and the Revolution at this period, could have added a different spike of excitement and interest I feel.

Didn't he do that with the Musicology tour?

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Reply #67 posted 06/22/20 10:12am

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By the way, everything Prince did changed his career if we're being technical. Purple Rain changed his career. The Triple Threat Tour changed his career. Under The Cherry Moon changed his career. Disbanding The Revolution changed his career. Doing Batman soundtrack changed his career. Getting married, losing Amiir, getting married again, getting divorced again, creating 3rd Eye Girl, appearing in illusion-ass pants on MTV, changing his name to prince, releasing Diamonds and Pearls - you name it.

Being an artist is about pushing yourself, doing better or different the next time to further your abilities and gain interest (or not). He did that with every project, every friend lover sister mother wife, concert, after show, private gig, interview, or pair of Cuban heel boots.

Better or worse is relative and subjective.

Except Tony M. People make choices. And that was a choice.


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Reply #68 posted 06/22/20 10:30am

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CynicKill said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I always felt the 'Welcome 2' tours period was a missed opportunity to have a flow of all the musicians/singers etc he's worked with to perform as a band... It was a time when it felt like Prince had already done everything an artist could have done. And felt like a full circle period.
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The missed opportunity to reconnect with the Time(07) the Family and the Revolution at this period, could have added a different spike of excitement and interest I feel.

Didn't he do that with the Musicology tour?

I don't think the Time was opening(the original band) for Prince for the Musicology tour. Morris Day and the Time, opened on some scattered shows.

I'm talking about the Time(with a new album) opening

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Reply #69 posted 06/23/20 11:24pm

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The only shows that suffered during the welcome 2 tour were the ones that had that bullshit symbol stage. Said it b4...looks cool as hell, but it does a disservice to the music and the vibe usually given from a cohesive band jamming together Instead, it's a cohesive band practicing social distancing. Hey, P was ahead of his time, what can ya say?
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Reply #70 posted 06/24/20 2:30am

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PliablyPurple said:

The only shows that suffered during the welcome 2 tour were the ones that had that bullshit symbol stage. Said it b4...looks cool as hell, but it does a disservice to the music and the vibe usually given from a cohesive band jamming together Instead, it's a cohesive band practicing social distancing. Hey, P was ahead of his time, what can ya say?

Playing in the round is certainly a strange concept. At The O2 shows, I always felt sorry for anyone behind the drummer - especially those on the floor in the front rows.

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Reply #71 posted 06/24/20 2:37am

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it was the same for some of the Lovesexy shows. Although I felt that it kinda worked there. Stage was too big certainly, but not overly annoyingly so.

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Reply #72 posted 07/19/20 1:27pm

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The single biggest misstep of his career was releasing AWTIAD after Purple Rain, and so soon after to boot.

I love the album, but it changed the entire course of his career.

Imagine being an executive at WB and hearing this for the first time.

I would've released something huge in around 1987, then after waiting for that to die down release a sequel (The Dawn?) to Purple Rain (around 1989-90).

Songs from AWTIAD and Parade could've been killer B-sides.

But this is me thinking big. Word is Prince was already fed up with megastardom post PR but me personally; I wouldn't have pissed it away.

AWTIAD and Parade all came out very quickly after PR. I think it kept him in the public eye and kept traction on his career.

I think his mistake was, Prince released a record every since year from 84 to 92. That's an insane amout of records to release so fast one after another. Maybe the misake was he should/could have taken more breaks in between.

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Reply #73 posted 07/19/20 1:38pm

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emesem said:

That thread about the SOTT tour not coming to US got me thinking. What some of Prince's biggest missteps? These come to mind:

Name Change

SOTT Era has a bunch:

If I was your Girlfriend as 2nd single off SOTT

[Edited 6/12/20 8:26am]

This ALMOST changed his career but since "U Got The Look" followed no damage was done.

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Reply #74 posted 07/19/20 9:43pm

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Michael Jackson embracing New Jack Swing was a mistake?...when "Dangerous" is filled with a few of the greatest songs he's ever made?..."Cant Let Her Get Away"?..."Remember The Time"?..."Jam"?.."Why You Wanna Trip On Me?" ?...

... Who Is It? That was a damn good album.

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Reply #75 posted 07/20/20 7:24am

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telecode101 said:

CynicKill said:

The single biggest misstep of his career was releasing AWTIAD after Purple Rain, and so soon after to boot.

I love the album, but it changed the entire course of his career.

Imagine being an executive at WB and hearing this for the first time.

I would've released something huge in around 1987, then after waiting for that to die down release a sequel (The Dawn?) to Purple Rain (around 1989-90).

Songs from AWTIAD and Parade could've been killer B-sides.

But this is me thinking big. Word is Prince was already fed up with megastardom post PR but me personally; I wouldn't have pissed it away.

AWTIAD and Parade all came out very quickly after PR. I think it kept him in the public eye and kept traction on his career.

I think his mistake was, Prince released a record every since year from 84 to 92. That's an insane amout of records to release so fast one after another. Maybe the misake was he should/could have taken more breaks in between.

Oh noooooooo LOL at least in the 80s No breaks lol

Dirty Mind
Controversy / The Time
1999 / What Time Is It? / Vanity 6
Purple Rain / Ice Cream Castles / Glamorous Life / Apollonia 6 -Manic Monday, I Feel 4 U, Sugar Walls
ATWIAD / Romance 1600 / the Family / the Dance Electric
Parade / Mazarati / Sheila E
SOTT / Jill Jones / Madhouse 8
Black album
Lovesexy / Madhouse 16
Batman

Now what was needed for ATWIAD was smaller shows(non concerts) and more videos
Parade (UTCM)time to get a better script, band inclusion, real film director

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Reply #76 posted 07/20/20 10:28am

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It 100% played on MTV.

I'm almost certain the lyrics video is new created by the estate.

I thought the SOTT music video was an instant classic and kinda revolutionary for it's time with all the graphics on display?

Yeah, it's different but it's definitely a music video. lol Not sure what some here are on about. As someone who works in the audio-visual field I found it pretty inspiring as a kid. It's not strictly audio-responsive, but that kind of minimalist aesthestic synched to the music (albeit in a very basic way) was very fresh and forward looking.

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Reply #77 posted 07/20/20 10:30am

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fen said:

Wolfie87 said:

lavendardrummachine said: I thought the SOTT music video was an instant classic and kinda revolutionary for it's time with all the graphics on display?

Yeah, it's different but it's definitely a music video. lol Not sure what some here are on about. As someone who works in the audio-visual field I found it pretty inspiring as a kid. It's not strictly audio-responsive, but that kind of minimalist aesthestic synched to the music (albeit in a very basic way) was very fresh and forward looking.

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In fact, I consider it one of his best videos.

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Reply #78 posted 07/20/20 11:22am

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CynicKill said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I always felt the 'Welcome 2' tours period was a missed opportunity to have a flow of all the musicians/singers etc he's worked with to perform as a band... It was a time when it felt like Prince had already done everything an artist could have done. And felt like a full circle period.
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The missed opportunity to reconnect with the Time(07) the Family and the Revolution at this period, could have added a different spike of excitement and interest I feel.

Didn't he do that with the Musicology tour?

No

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Reply #79 posted 07/20/20 2:27pm

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whodknee said:

RJOrion said:

Michael Jackson embracing New Jack Swing was a mistake?...when "Dangerous" is filled with a few of the greatest songs he's ever made?..."Cant Let Her Get Away"?..."Remember The Time"?..."Jam"?.."Why You Wanna Trip On Me?" ?...

... Who Is It? That was a damn good album.

Great album, specially that masterpiece of a song, Who Is It.

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