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Reply #60 posted 11/27/19 5:03am

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bsprout said:

RodeoSchro said:

I hope I never hear Prince's version of "Send in the Clowns". Honestly, I hope I never hear that song by anyone, ever. One of my most disliked songs ever.

Me too 🙈


You guys have no taste in great music.

This version by Krusty the Clown always brings on the waterworks..... sad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzLHU6S4oic

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Reply #61 posted 11/27/19 9:42am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

seems like GB is encorporated the When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes direction 1986

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Really? That's very interesting considering the 'Girl O' My Dream / Can't Stop / We Can Funk' medley was intended for 'The Dawn'.
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As we know 'Can't Stop This Feeling I Got' and 'We Can Funk' both made it into Graffiti Bridge and although 'Girl Of My Dreams' must have been dropped in development it was offered to and subsequently butchered by T. C. Ellis... who was also in Graffiti Bridge.

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Reply #62 posted 11/27/19 9:49am

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VaultCurator said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

seems like GB is encorporated the When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes direction 1986

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Really? That's very interesting considering the 'Girl O' My Dream / Can't Stop / We Can Funk' medley was intended for 'The Dawn'.
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As we know 'Can't Stop This Feeling I Got' and 'We Can Funk' both made it into Graffiti Bridge and although 'Girl Of My Dreams' must have been dropped in development it was offered to and subsequently butchered by T. C. Ellis... who was also in Graffiti Bridge.

LOL I had everyone assembled to watch Graffiti Bridge

I don't remember if it was midway or at the end when I felt like somone stood me in front of a crowd and just hanked my pants down. It took that were embarrassingly personal lol

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Reply #63 posted 11/27/19 11:16am

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VaultCurator said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

seems like GB is encorporated the When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes direction 1986

.

Really? That's very interesting considering the 'Girl O' My Dream / Can't Stop / We Can Funk' medley was intended for 'The Dawn'.
.
As we know 'Can't Stop This Feeling I Got' and 'We Can Funk' both made it into Graffiti Bridge and although 'Girl Of My Dreams' must have been dropped in development it was offered to and subsequently butchered by T. C. Ellis... who was also in Graffiti Bridge.

0. "I'm going to make a film about it -- not the next one, but the one after that. I've wanted to make it for three years now..." Prince 1985

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1. the Dawn movie: When the Dawn of the Morning Comes, Crucial, CocoBoys We Can Funk(Miki Free recording)
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Coco Boys is an unreleased track initially recorded during a soundcheck session on 25 August 1986 at Le Zénith, Paris, France, hours before the Parade Tour show there (along with recordings of Susannah's Blues, Strange Relationship, Last Heart, a cover version of The Temptations' Can't Get Next To You and a first run-through of It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night, which was then recorded live at the show).

It is likely that this version was instrumental, but this is unconfirmed.

Prince recorded a studio version of the track (with lyrics) on 14 September 1986 at his Galpin Blvd Home Studio, Chanhassen, MN, USA (the day after Crucial, two days before Shockadelica).

The song was written specifically for the planned musical The Dawn (along with Crucial and When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes), but the musical was ultimately abandoned, and the song was never intended for any of Prince's many late-1986 album projects.

The Coco Boys was the name of a band included as characters in the musical; while the band names changed, the idea of rival bands was reused in the Graffiti Bridge movie.

Of note is that the pseudonym Joey Coco, used by Prince as the writer of You're My Love, was intended to be one of the Coco Boys.

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2. Cat Glover: Prince, Madonna and I were the original lineup for Graffiti Bridge. That movie was strictly written for Prince, Madonna and myself. Period. Exclamation point.
That movie was actually written on the Lovesexy Tour. Everyone in that movie replaced us. Prince actually wrote the movie and most of it was what we experienced on the Lovesexy Tour. Madonna pulled out of the movie and I left Prince; I quit. So, he had to revamp the script.
That's when he got Ingrid Chavez and everyone else. But, Mavis Staples was one person that was originally supposed to be in the movie. She was always part of the movie. Sheila E. was part of the movie. Everyone else was a replacement. I don't mean to say it that way, it sounds kind of harsh and mean, but, I know the original script.
I was in the studio with Madonna and Prince when they were discussing the script. The story was totally different.

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2a

The Rock That Keeps Rolling

Ruthie Washington Jet Blues
Stimulation
Melody Cool
XYZ
God Is Alive
Graffiti Bridge
Bloody Mouth
Billie Holiday
Elephants & Flowers
Still Would Stand All Time
Beatown
Camille
I Believe I Love U
Everything Could Be So Fine
The Question Of U
The Grand Progression

-PrinceVault

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3. Originally, Graffiti Bridge was going to be a vehicle for the reborn Time, with Prince staying behind the camera. But Warner Bros. wouldn't go for it, (CORPORATE WORLD)

3a Pandemonium

Let's look back to 1990 and the Graffiti Bridge movie. How did the original seven members of The Time come to be involved with that project?

Let me try to clarify a little bit. There might be a misconception that we got back together to do the Graffiti Bridge movie. That's absolutely not the case. What happened, Morris [Day] was working on a project with Prince. It was basically going to be more of a solo project. Prince was going to do the bulk of the writing and playing. I think it was going to be calledCorporate World, but there were a few different names floating around at that point. Around that same time period, we had also been working with Morris on different projects and things. We thought, let's get The Time back together and just make a record. So we got back together and started making an album. This was with Prince's blessing, by the way. And we had our own idea for a film.

What kind of film did you guys have in mind?

It was basically based on our own true story, rather than a fictional story. Purple Rain was a fictional story based in some truth, the whole backdrop of Minneapolis and the competition of the bands. The way that worked was very true and very well done in that movie. But we really wanted to make a film about our exploits on the road and some of the things that went on, because we had a great time on the road.

How far did you guys get with this project?

We actually brought in someone to write a screenplay. We sat and talked with a couple of screenwriters, telling them the stories we thought were funny, letting them weave a storyline around it. We were in talks with Warner Bros. to do it. The next thing you know, literally out of the blue, Prince called us for a meeting at Paisley Park. And I remember we walked in thinking it was going to be about the movie — the movie we thought we were going to do. All of sudden it turned into Graffiti Bridge, and we were like,"What's Graffiti Bridge?" Prince was like, "This is my movie." And it was, you know, this girl and a feather. [laughs] It was like, "No, no, no — we've got our own ideas for a movie."

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3b
Joy In Repetition
Still Would Stand All Time
New Power Generation

4. so Prince wrote himself into a new movie. Later, visitors to Paisley Park saw a version of a script that was allegedly obtuse to the point of near gibberish. "That was just a real rough thirty-page treatment I wrote with Kim," Prince says. "Graffiti Bridge is an entirely different movie."

4a Jill Jones' role in the Graffiti Bridge movie was originally much larger than what she ended up playing. Kim Basinger was intended as the original lead in the movie, but when she and Prince parted company shortly before filming began, Prince simply combined Kim's and Jill's parts together and gave them to Ingred Chavez. Jill was then given a much smaller role as Prince's girlfriend.

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Reply #64 posted 11/27/19 11:58am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

VaultCurator said:

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Really? That's very interesting considering the 'Girl O' My Dream / Can't Stop / We Can Funk' medley was intended for 'The Dawn'.
.
As we know 'Can't Stop This Feeling I Got' and 'We Can Funk' both made it into Graffiti Bridge and although 'Girl Of My Dreams' must have been dropped in development it was offered to and subsequently butchered by T. C. Ellis... who was also in Graffiti Bridge.

0. "I'm going to make a film about it -- not the next one, but the one after that. I've wanted to make it for three years now..." Prince 1985

.

1. the Dawn movie: When the Dawn of the Morning Comes, Crucial, CocoBoys We Can Funk(Miki Free recording)
.
Coco Boys is an unreleased track initially recorded during a soundcheck session on 25 August 1986 at Le Zénith, Paris, France, hours before the Parade Tour show there (along with recordings of Susannah's Blues, Strange Relationship, Last Heart, a cover version of The Temptations' Can't Get Next To You and a first run-through of It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night, which was then recorded live at the show).

It is likely that this version was instrumental, but this is unconfirmed.

Prince recorded a studio version of the track (with lyrics) on 14 September 1986 at his Galpin Blvd Home Studio, Chanhassen, MN, USA (the day after Crucial, two days before Shockadelica).

The song was written specifically for the planned musical The Dawn (along with Crucial and When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes), but the musical was ultimately abandoned, and the song was never intended for any of Prince's many late-1986 album projects.

The Coco Boys was the name of a band included as characters in the musical; while the band names changed, the idea of rival bands was reused in the Graffiti Bridge movie.

Of note is that the pseudonym Joey Coco, used by Prince as the writer of You're My Love, was intended to be one of the Coco Boys.

.

2. Cat Glover: Prince, Madonna and I were the original lineup for Graffiti Bridge. That movie was strictly written for Prince, Madonna and myself. Period. Exclamation point.
That movie was actually written on the Lovesexy Tour. Everyone in that movie replaced us. Prince actually wrote the movie and most of it was what we experienced on the Lovesexy Tour. Madonna pulled out of the movie and I left Prince; I quit. So, he had to revamp the script.
That's when he got Ingrid Chavez and everyone else. But, Mavis Staples was one person that was originally supposed to be in the movie. She was always part of the movie. Sheila E. was part of the movie. Everyone else was a replacement. I don't mean to say it that way, it sounds kind of harsh and mean, but, I know the original script.
I was in the studio with Madonna and Prince when they were discussing the script. The story was totally different.

.

3. Originally, Graffiti Bridge was going to be a vehicle for the reborn Time, with Prince staying behind the camera. But Warner Bros. wouldn't go for it, (CORPORATE WORLD)

3a Pandemonium

Let's look back to 1990 and the Graffiti Bridge movie. How did the original seven members of The Time come to be involved with that project?

Let me try to clarify a little bit. There might be a misconception that we got back together to do the Graffiti Bridge movie. That's absolutely not the case. What happened, Morris [Day] was working on a project with Prince. It was basically going to be more of a solo project. Prince was going to do the bulk of the writing and playing. I think it was going to be calledCorporate World, but there were a few different names floating around at that point. Around that same time period, we had also been working with Morris on different projects and things. We thought, let's get The Time back together and just make a record. So we got back together and started making an album. This was with Prince's blessing, by the way. And we had our own idea for a film.

What kind of film did you guys have in mind?

It was basically based on our own true story, rather than a fictional story. Purple Rain was a fictional story based in some truth, the whole backdrop of Minneapolis and the competition of the bands. The way that worked was very true and very well done in that movie. But we really wanted to make a film about our exploits on the road and some of the things that went on, because we had a great time on the road.

How far did you guys get with this project?

We actually brought in someone to write a screenplay. We sat and talked with a couple of screenwriters, telling them the stories we thought were funny, letting them weave a storyline around it. We were in talks with Warner Bros. to do it. The next thing you know, literally out of the blue, Prince called us for a meeting at Paisley Park. And I remember we walked in thinking it was going to be about the movie — the movie we thought we were going to do. All of sudden it turned into Graffiti Bridge, and we were like,"What's Graffiti Bridge?" Prince was like, "This is my movie." And it was, you know, this girl and a feather. [laughs] It was like, "No, no, no — we've got our own ideas for a movie."

.

4. so Prince wrote himself into a new movie. Later, visitors to Paisley Park saw a version of a script that was allegedly obtuse to the point of near gibberish. "That was just a real rough thirty-page treatment I wrote with Kim," Prince says. "Graffiti Bridge is an entirely different movie."

4a Jill Jones' role in the Graffiti Bridge movie was originally much larger than what she ended up playing. Kim Basinger was intended as the original lead in the movie, but when she and Prince parted company shortly before filming began, Prince simply combined Kim's and Jill's parts together and gave them to Ingred Chavez. Jill was then given a much smaller role as Prince's girlfriend.

Lordy, what an absolute mess.

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Graffiti Bridge is like a movie that should've died in development hell but somehow got pushed along until its public abortion on screens across the world.

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Reply #65 posted 11/27/19 1:32pm

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LoveGalore said:

Graffiti Bridge is like a movie that should've died in development hell but somehow got pushed along until its public abortion on screens across the world.

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He was editing this movie while on the Nude Tour. By phone. They'd send him edits on video tape, and then he'd respond with notes so they could do a new edit and send it.

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I mean: why? At what point does that make sense to anyone involved?

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Reply #66 posted 11/27/19 2:07pm

LoveGalore

BartVanHemelen said:



LoveGalore said:




Graffiti Bridge is like a movie that should've died in development hell but somehow got pushed along until its public abortion on screens across the world.



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He was editing this movie while on the Nude Tour. By phone. They'd send him edits on video tape, and then he'd respond with notes so they could do a new edit and send it.


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I mean: why? At what point does that make sense to anyone involved?



The only thing that comes to mind is that absolutely nobody was supervising him on these endeavors. I imagine the people he was actually interacting with, editors and whatnot, didn't have the clout or the balls to say, "This is disastrous."

How else does this happen? Between Under the Cherry Moon and the ridiculous process GB had gone through, how did WB let this happen unabated?
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Reply #67 posted 11/27/19 6:05pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

rusty1 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said: unreal "Moonbeam Levels" is a great song one of his early " Minneapolis Sound" era material.. i don't get how fans hate on this tune. Purple & Gold was awful.. "Moonbeam" musically & lyrically is a solid song


imagine, if a lot diehard hardcore fans have hate for this track, just imagine the hate from mainstream audiences and music critics.`

For the song not to end up on an album, you know there was a lot of feedback from within the Prince camp with vocal misgivings about adding it to an album.

Feedback? lol Prince? Pretty sure he made the decisions. Moonbeam Levels is brilliant. So he made some bad decisions too. It deserved a place even as another killer B-side.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #68 posted 12/15/19 4:41pm

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Marrk said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:


imagine, if a lot diehard hardcore fans have hate for this track, just imagine the hate from mainstream audiences and music critics.`

For the song not to end up on an album, you know there was a lot of feedback from within the Prince camp with vocal misgivings about adding it to an album.

Feedback? lol Prince? Pretty sure he made the decisions. Moonbeam Levels is brilliant. So he made some bad decisions too. It deserved a place even as another killer B-side.



I aways got the feeling that he felt it was too good for a 'b-side' but just couldn't decide of which project it best fitted.

If we look at the evolution of most of Prince's albums, he tended to favour his newest tracks. So sequencing was often changed last minute. They prime/worst example of this was the Symbol Album, where he cut the spoken narrative to near giberish, just to squeeze the latest track on; I Wanna Melt With U.

As Moonbeam Levels was old, it appeared in many early sequences, only to be bumped by newer recordings.

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