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Reply #30 posted 10/19/19 7:30am

violetcrush

OnlyNDaUsa said:

violetcrush said:

People, please read Andrewm7's post about the female voice in Orgasm. It IS NOT PRINCE moaning and groaning!! It is VANITY pretending to, or actually, masturbating within the song. The song was called Vibrator, and was planned for Vanity 6's second album, which did not happen because Vanity left the Prince camp in July 1983.

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Prince took an excerpt of Vanity's vocal and included it in his song Orgasm - originally called Poem - for the Come Album.

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Here is some information on the original song (Vibrator) and a link to princevault.com for all of the information: http://princevault.com/in...e=Vibrator

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"The track is an ode to the battery-operated sex toy. The narrator (Vanity) sings about her vibrator, before the song transforms when the batteries run out in her toy; she goes to a store where she meets a shocked store clerk, played by Jill Jones, who offers to "take it downstairs" to install the new batteries. The narrator leaves, instead taking it to a different store, and meeting a different clerk (played by Prince in his Jamie Starr voice), who gives her the batteries and rushes her out of the store. She then takes her toy home, and the song ends with her moans and her eventual climax."

Prince said when it came out that it was a way to give her some money...

What???? When and where did Prince state this?? Vanity is not credited for writing the song, so she would not receive any money. You may be thinking of Nasty Girl, which Prince credited to Vanity 6 - not just Vanity, but which he actually wrote. Vanity getting any royalties would depend on how Prince officially submitted the song for publishing.

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Reply #31 posted 10/19/19 7:45am

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violetcrush said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Prince said when it came out that it was a way to give her some money...

What???? When and where did Prince state this?? Vanity is not credited for writing the song, so she would not receive any money. You may be thinking of Nasty Girl, which Prince credited to Vanity 6 - not just Vanity, but which he actually wrote. Vanity getting any royalties would depend on how Prince officially submitted the song for publishing.

it was when "Come" came out...

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Reply #32 posted 10/19/19 7:53am

violetcrush

OnlyNDaUsa said:

violetcrush said:

What???? When and where did Prince state this?? Vanity is not credited for writing the song, so she would not receive any money. You may be thinking of Nasty Girl, which Prince credited to Vanity 6 - not just Vanity, but which he actually wrote. Vanity getting any royalties would depend on how Prince officially submitted the song for publishing.

it was when "Come" came out...

Do you have a resource? Not doubting you, but just very curious, because I had never heard or read that information.

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Reply #33 posted 10/19/19 7:59am

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violetcrush said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it was when "Come" came out...

Do you have a resource? Not doubting you, but just very curious, because I had never heard or read that information.

no I don't, it was what 24 years ago?

here is a topic from 2004 see reply #7


https://prince.org/msg/7/126746

[Edited 10/19/19 8:06am]

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Reply #34 posted 10/19/19 8:06am

violetcrush

OnlyNDaUsa said:

violetcrush said:

Do you have a resource? Not doubting you, but just very curious, because I had never heard or read that information.

no I don't, it was what 24 years ago?

Right, but that is quite a statement to make without an actual written or recorded source. Prince also never discussed how he credited his songs. He was very private about that, and there were some conflicts with his associates through the years about not receiving credit for songs. Prince would have sent money directly to Denise anonymously, and it seems that he may have at some point, because Denise stated she had prayed for a way to pay her medical bills, and by some miracle they were paid off.

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Reply #35 posted 10/19/19 8:11am

violetcrush

OnlyNDaUsa said:

violetcrush said:

Do you have a resource? Not doubting you, but just very curious, because I had never heard or read that information.

no I don't, it was what 24 years ago?

here is a topic from 2004 see reply #7


https://prince.org/msg/7/126746

[Edited 10/19/19 8:06am]

Post #7 from above link:

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"Supposedly, and I don't know because I wasn't there, they say that Prince included this on the COME album so that he can compensate Vanity (Denise Matthews) monetarily. She needed money for some operation. Instead of giving her charity he paid her for her work."

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Does not appear to be any kind of valid source...

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Reply #36 posted 10/19/19 8:17am

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violetcrush said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

no I don't, it was what 24 years ago?

Right, but that is quite a statement to make without an actual written or recorded source. Prince also never discussed how he credited his songs. He was very private about that, and there were some conflicts with his associates through the years about not receiving credit for songs. Prince would have sent money directly to Denise anonymously, and it seems that he may have at some point, because Denise stated she had prayed for a way to pay her medical bills, and by some miracle they were paid off.

what can I say, i am confident in the memory... he said something similar about the Emancipation covers... and others have said the same...

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Reply #37 posted 10/19/19 8:20am

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violetcrush said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

no I don't, it was what 24 years ago?

here is a topic from 2004 see reply #7


https://prince.org/msg/7/126746

[Edited 10/19/19 8:06am]

Post #7 from above link:

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"Supposedly, and I don't know because I wasn't there, they say that Prince included this on the COME album so that he can compensate Vanity (Denise Matthews) monetarily. She needed money for some operation. Instead of giving her charity he paid her for her work."

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Does not appear to be any kind of valid source...

and? I am expected to keep on file everything I ever read just in case I might mention it decades later because someone wants a source? Either believe it or don't. Who cares?

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Reply #38 posted 10/19/19 8:26am

violetcrush

OnlyNDaUsa said:

violetcrush said:

Right, but that is quite a statement to make without an actual written or recorded source. Prince also never discussed how he credited his songs. He was very private about that, and there were some conflicts with his associates through the years about not receiving credit for songs. Prince would have sent money directly to Denise anonymously, and it seems that he may have at some point, because Denise stated she had prayed for a way to pay her medical bills, and by some miracle they were paid off.

what can I say, i am confident in the memory... he said something similar about the Emancipation covers... and others have said the same...

Anything is possible, but the timing would have been a bit off. Orgasm/Poem was recorded in early 1993 - a year before Denise's overdose. The Come album was released in 1994, which meant that all publishing/credits/materials for the record would have been completed months before.

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I think it's more likely that Prince anonymously paid her medical bills at some point after she recovered by sending the money to someone.

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Reply #39 posted 10/19/19 9:00am

violetcrush

OnlyNDaUsa said:

violetcrush said:

Post #7 from above link:

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"Supposedly, and I don't know because I wasn't there, they say that Prince included this on the COME album so that he can compensate Vanity (Denise Matthews) monetarily. She needed money for some operation. Instead of giving her charity he paid her for her work."

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Does not appear to be any kind of valid source...

and? I am expected to keep on file everything I ever read just in case I might mention it decades later because someone wants a source? Either believe it or don't. Who cares?

It matters, because this is where the term "fake news" originated. Reliable sources and documented comments/information matter, otherwise we'd have anyone saying anything regardless of whether or not it really happened. That comment above - from a Prince fan who was not personally involved - speculating and stating "they say that..." is not a reliable piece of information. Who said it? When? Where?.

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Reply #40 posted 10/19/19 1:25pm

jfenster

LoveGalore said:

andrewm7 said:

Aaron, this was originally recorded for the unreleased Vanity 6 track "vibrator". Well worth tracking down for Prince's (quite probably politically incorrect)portrayal of a gay sex shop owner. Not the greatest outtake ever, but a fun track none the less smile

I... Don't think that he's playing a gay man. I think that's him doing an older woman's voice.

r u high....of course its gay

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Reply #41 posted 10/19/19 1:26pm

jfenster

andrewm7 said:

Aaron, this was originally recorded for the unreleased Vanity 6 track "vibrator". Well worth tracking down for Prince's (quite probably politically incorrect)portrayal of a gay sex shop owner. Not the greatest outtake ever, but a fun track none the less smile

i want to see the video of this video..if he made one...which i bet he did

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Reply #42 posted 10/19/19 1:40pm

RODSERLING

violetcrush said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




violetcrush said:




Do you have a resource? Not doubting you, but just very curious, because I had never heard or read that information.




no I don't, it was what 24 years ago?




Right, but that is quite a statement to make without an actual written or recorded source. Prince also never discussed how he credited his songs. He was very private about that, and there were some conflicts with his associates through the years about not receiving credit for songs. Prince would have sent money directly to Denise anonymously, and it seems that he may have at some point, because Denise stated she had prayed for a way to pay her medical bills, and by some miracle they were paid off.



Get a life please
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Reply #43 posted 10/19/19 1:44pm

LoveGalore

jfenster said:



LoveGalore said:


andrewm7 said:

Aaron, this was originally recorded for the unreleased Vanity 6 track "vibrator". Well worth tracking down for Prince's (quite probably politically incorrect)portrayal of a gay sex shop owner. Not the greatest outtake ever, but a fun track none the less smile



I... Don't think that he's playing a gay man. I think that's him doing an older woman's voice.

r u high....of course its gay



Lemme give you a piece of good advice: gay men don't use vibrators. At least, NOT the kind you hear in the song which is the standard cylinder style. If you think that goes up someone's ass or against their penis, you are the one on something.
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Reply #44 posted 10/19/19 1:45pm

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:

People, please read Andrewm7's post about the female voice in Orgasm. It IS NOT PRINCE moaning and groaning!! It is VANITY pretending to, or actually, masturbating within the song. The song was called Vibrator, and was planned for Vanity 6's second album, which did not happen because Vanity left the Prince camp in July 1983.


*


Prince took an excerpt of Vanity's vocal and included it in his song Orgasm - originally called Poem - for the Come Album.


*


Here is some information on the original song (Vibrator) and a link to princevault.com for all of the information: http://princevault.com/in...e=Vibrator


*


"The track is an ode to the battery-operated sex toy. The narrator (Vanity) sings about her vibrator, before the song transforms when the batteries run out in her toy; she goes to a store where she meets a shocked store clerk, played by Jill Jones, who offers to "take it downstairs" to install the new batteries. The narrator leaves, instead taking it to a different store, and meeting a different clerk (played by Prince in his Jamie Starr voice), who gives her the batteries and rushes her out of the store. She then takes her toy home, and the song ends with her moans and her eventual climax."



Yeah we knew all that. Talking about Prince doing the older woman shop owner voice who sells Vanity the fresh batteries.
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Reply #45 posted 10/19/19 3:57pm

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

People, please read Andrewm7's post about the female voice in Orgasm. It IS NOT PRINCE moaning and groaning!! It is VANITY pretending to, or actually, masturbating within the song. The song was called Vibrator, and was planned for Vanity 6's second album, which did not happen because Vanity left the Prince camp in July 1983.


*


Prince took an excerpt of Vanity's vocal and included it in his song Orgasm - originally called Poem - for the Come Album.


*


Here is some information on the original song (Vibrator) and a link to princevault.com for all of the information: http://princevault.com/in...e=Vibrator


*


"The track is an ode to the battery-operated sex toy. The narrator (Vanity) sings about her vibrator, before the song transforms when the batteries run out in her toy; she goes to a store where she meets a shocked store clerk, played by Jill Jones, who offers to "take it downstairs" to install the new batteries. The narrator leaves, instead taking it to a different store, and meeting a different clerk (played by Prince in his Jamie Starr voice), who gives her the batteries and rushes her out of the store. She then takes her toy home, and the song ends with her moans and her eventual climax."



Yeah we knew all that. Talking about Prince doing the older woman shop owner voice who sells Vanity the fresh batteries.

Aaaahh, okay that makes more sense, except Prince's Jamie Starr voice was not meant to be portray an old woman.
[Edited 10/19/19 15:59pm]
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Reply #46 posted 10/19/19 4:16pm

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:

LoveGalore said:



Yeah we knew all that. Talking about Prince doing the older woman shop owner voice who sells Vanity the fresh batteries.

Aaaahh, okay that makes more sense, except Prince's Jamie Starr voice was not meant to be portray an old woman.
[Edited 10/19/19 15:59pm]

I would take the suggestion of it being Jamie Starr as being incorrect. As you can hear, it doesn't really sound like Jamie Starr (and Jamie Starr wasn't gay). It literally sounds like Prince doing an old black lady voice.
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Reply #47 posted 10/19/19 4:24pm

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:


Aaaahh, okay that makes more sense, except Prince's Jamie Starr voice was not meant to be portray an old woman.
[Edited 10/19/19 15:59pm]

I would take the suggestion of it being Jamie Starr as being incorrect. As you can hear, it doesn't really sound like Jamie Starr (and Jamie Starr wasn't gay). It literally sounds like Prince doing an old black lady voice.

I'll have to listen to it again. If it sounds the same as his voice in the song Chocolate then it is the Jamie Starr voice.
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Reply #48 posted 10/19/19 5:34pm

violetcrush

RODSERLING said:

violetcrush said:

Right, but that is quite a statement to make without an actual written or recorded source. Prince also never discussed how he credited his songs. He was very private about that, and there were some conflicts with his associates through the years about not receiving credit for songs. Prince would have sent money directly to Denise anonymously, and it seems that he may have at some point, because Denise stated she had prayed for a way to pay her medical bills, and by some miracle they were paid off.

Get a life please

Yet another pointless and absurd comment....the Org is never short of them confused

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Reply #49 posted 10/19/19 6:28pm

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:


Aaaahh, okay that makes more sense, except Prince's Jamie Starr voice was not meant to be portray an old woman.
[Edited 10/19/19 15:59pm]

I would take the suggestion of it being Jamie Starr as being incorrect. As you can hear, it doesn't really sound like Jamie Starr (and Jamie Starr wasn't gay). It literally sounds like Prince doing an old black lady voice.

Just listened again. You are right, it's not Jamie Starr. It is Prince as an older black woman who is the store clerk.
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Reply #50 posted 10/19/19 7:04pm

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:

LoveGalore said:


I would take the suggestion of it being Jamie Starr as being incorrect. As you can hear, it doesn't really sound like Jamie Starr (and Jamie Starr wasn't gay). It literally sounds like Prince doing an old black lady voice.

Just listened again. You are right, it's not Jamie Starr. It is Prince as an older black woman who is the store clerk.


Totally. Though from this thread, I had no idea it was interpreted in so many different ways. Gay? Lawd.
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Reply #51 posted 10/20/19 7:17am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:


Just listened again. You are right, it's not Jamie Starr. It is Prince as an older black woman who is the store clerk.


Totally. Though from this thread, I had no idea it was interpreted in so many different ways. Gay? Lawd.

Right! Prince, as "the old woman" clearly mentions always having a bad back when "her" boyfriend wants to "get busy"smile
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Reply #52 posted 10/20/19 8:32am

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violetcrush said:

LoveGalore said:
Totally. Though from this thread, I had no idea it was interpreted in so many different ways. Gay? Lawd.
Right! Prince, as "the old woman" clearly mentions always having a bad back when "her" boyfriend wants to "get busy"smile

no i think it means her boyfiend dosn't get the job done (just like Vanity in the song) so when he leaves she is left wanting more...

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Reply #53 posted 10/20/19 8:53am

violetcrush

OnlyNDaUsa said:



violetcrush said:


LoveGalore said:
Totally. Though from this thread, I had no idea it was interpreted in so many different ways. Gay? Lawd.

Right! Prince, as "the old woman" clearly mentions always having a bad back when "her" boyfriend wants to "get busy"smile


no i think it means her boyfiend dosn't get the job done (just like Vanity in the song) so when he leaves she is left wanting more...


Just listened again biggrin Yes, Prince/old woman does say she always has a " back ache" too after her boyfriend leaves.
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I love how loud he makes the Vibrator sound, and that it takes 10 batteries biggrin
Too funny!!
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Reply #54 posted 10/20/19 10:35am

OperatingTheta
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TheFman said:

"putting an orgasm on a woman"



is that how it's called nowadays? confused eek



That's what I was thinking. 'She was walking by and I put an orgasm straight on her.' Kind of like a badge lol
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Reply #55 posted 10/20/19 10:47am

SoulAlive

andrewm7 said:

Aaron, this was originally recorded for the unreleased Vanity 6 track "vibrator". Well worth tracking down for Prince's (quite probably politically incorrect)portrayal of a gay sex shop owner. Not the greatest outtake ever, but a fun track none the less smile

"Vibrator" is hilarious biggrin those lyrics are funny! lol

Such a shame that we never got a second Vanity 6 album.I think it would have been much more outrageous and "nastier" than the A6 album.

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Reply #56 posted 10/20/19 11:54am

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OperatingThetan said:

TheFman said:

"putting an orgasm on a woman"

is that how it's called nowadays? confused eek

That's what I was thinking. 'She was walking by and I put an orgasm straight on her.' Kind of like a badge lol

I am good at putting an orgasm on a woman all stealth like so they do not even know... at least that is what I tell myself....

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Reply #57 posted 10/20/19 12:41pm

jfenster

wow..clueless isnt saying enough

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Reply #58 posted 10/20/19 1:19pm

violetcrush

OperatingThetan said:

TheFman said:

"putting an orgasm on a woman"



is that how it's called nowadays? confused eek



That's what I was thinking. 'She was walking by and I put an orgasm straight on her.' Kind of like a badge lol

Well, I'm a woman, and that statement makes little sense, unless it"s implying that she got so aroused by his presence that she orgasmed? Not impossible I guess, but not very likely biggrin
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Reply #59 posted 10/20/19 2:07pm

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wow..clueless isnt saying enough

What other words for you would you like us to use then?

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