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Reply #30 posted 10/12/19 3:42pm

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Well deserved for its own thread. Like I said before, this demo totally shattered my initial indifference toward the song, which used to be my least fave song from 1999. It never ceases to amaze me how beautiful & expressive his voice was when he sang R&B ballads, and in this recording not only does he sound great, but he sounded happy and having a helluva time. I never get tired of his piano playing either, like the guitar, he developed a style of his own and even though he's not a Herbie Hancock in the technical sense, I feel like he really enjoyed expressing his ideas via the piano moreso than the guitar, dare I say, even though he's more equipped in the latter, I feel he was happier with the piano. I'm surprised at how years of indifference toward a song I never cared for, sometimes an incomplete idea is more organic & superior than a completed one, this song is a perfect example. either, like the guitar, he developed a style of his own and even though he's not a Herbie Hancock in the technical sense, I feel like he really enjoyed expressing his ideas via the piano moreso than the guitar, dare I say, even though he's more equipped in the latter, I feel he was happier with the piano. I'm surprised at how years of indifference toward a song I never cared for, completely change for the better instantly. Sometimes an incomplete idea is more organic & superior than a completed one, this song is a perfect example.

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Reply #31 posted 10/12/19 5:02pm

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I really wish Morris Day would get more props to his drums and boy he can get it.

I think this song is one of my favorites on this track I can relate to this because Prince was letting people know love is not restricted.

And also I still feel that Prince was a better guitarist than playing piano imo BUT I do appreciate the piano chords with this one among other songs tho.

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Reply #32 posted 10/12/19 7:00pm

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Great to see this thread restored cool

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This is such a fascinating listen. I can't say it's better than the album version, but for historical value, this is just so damn fascinating. No falsetto, live in the studio with MD, joking with Peggy, Prince struggling to keep a straight face while delivering some of the lyrics. This is so good. And the sound quality is well beyond expectation!

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Reply #33 posted 10/12/19 8:25pm

LoveGalore

Sheer brilliance. Always loved the track and this demo is better than I expected.
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Reply #34 posted 10/12/19 9:16pm

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Absolute genius! This track is the ONE, I remember International Lover being my go to track waaaay back in the day. For those of us that were teens back when this came out ...whew...what memories! I was an "International Lover" that had to ask to borrow my parents car keys lol!!

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Reply #35 posted 10/12/19 10:17pm

robertgeorge

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rdhull said:

who told you to put the balm on?

The Maestro told me to put the balm on.

That's right cousin!

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Reply #36 posted 10/13/19 1:01am

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Great listen. It actually gave me new appreciation for the song, which was never one of my faves. I feel he’s a bit too extra with the vocals on the album version, which kept me from taking the song as more than just a novelty number all these years. Hearing it this way helps me appreciate the great song underneath all the “stuff.”
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #37 posted 10/13/19 6:53am

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I've always loved International Lover, and valued it as one of his greatest ballads, despite its seemingly inherent lack of sincerity. In fact, along with Free and Something in the Water, it was one of the key songs from 1999 which originally centemented my appreciation of Prince.

To paraphrase what a critic once wrote about Prince (Christgau maybe?): Was Prince serious? Was he ever not? I don't think the song can be parred off so easily as a joke. For me, the song provides the same catharsis at the end of 1999 as Adore does to Sign of the Times. Both sprawling albums, the latter ends on a note of absolute adulation, while International Lover closes 1999 on a flight of whimsy. You can almost feel it take off when the drum comes in just before the synths hit. It all builds to an amazing crescendo, which manages to be at once utterly ridiculous and entirely beautiful. And that's a feat in itself - a duality that is perhaps only achievable due to Prince's complete sincreity, even when he's being daft.

This version doesn't cut close to the released product, but it is wonderful all the same. As others have said, the preciousness of this recording, listening as Prinice and Morris work through the song in this infant stage, as Prince struggles to reign in laughter at his own jokes, cannot not be overestimated. And the piano is sublime.
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Reply #38 posted 10/13/19 1:49pm

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thisisreece said:

manages to be at once utterly ridiculous and entirely beautiful

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Ha! Great description! Couldn't agree more! cool

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Reply #39 posted 10/14/19 1:55am

Krid

What an awesome sound quality.

And great to know that Prince took these lyrics with a pinch of salt - here you can really tell he was messing around biggrin

Can imagine MD making funny faces while Prince tried to keep a straight face and sing the lyrics... Young guys having a blast in the studio...

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Reply #40 posted 10/14/19 6:01am

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Krid said:

What an awesome sound quality.

And great to know that Prince took these lyrics with a pinch of salt - here you can really tell he was messing around biggrin

Can imagine MD making funny faces while Prince tried to keep a straight face and sing the lyrics... Young guys having a blast in the studio...

Yes, I was about to say similar. I've never been a big fan of the album version but I'm loving this. Effortlessly brilliant and funny.

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It goes great back to back with his version of Gigolos Get Lonely Too.

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Reply #41 posted 10/14/19 1:54pm

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dodger said:



Krid said:


What an awesome sound quality.



And great to know that Prince took these lyrics with a pinch of salt - here you can really tell he was messing around biggrin



Can imagine MD making funny faces while Prince tried to keep a straight face and sing the lyrics... Young guys having a blast in the studio...



Yes, I was about to say similar. I've never been a big fan of the album version but I'm loving this. Effortlessly brilliant and funny.


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It goes great back to back with his version of Gigolos Get Lonely Too.




Yes! Just happy and fun songs, a bit of humor and great to sing along to. Love both of these.
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Reply #42 posted 10/14/19 2:51pm

JoeyCococo

toejam said:

Great to see this thread restored cool

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This is such a fascinating listen. I can't say it's better than the album version, but for historical value, this is just so damn fascinating. No falsetto, live in the studio with MD, joking with Peggy, Prince struggling to keep a straight face while delivering some of the lyrics. This is so good. And the sound quality is well beyond expectation!

Are you not super exceited about how good the 1999 remaster is going to sound? Wow....to be able to hear his guitar licks throughout LadyCab Driver...wow.

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Reply #43 posted 10/14/19 11:58pm

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JoeyCococo said:



toejam said:


Great to see this thread restored cool


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This is such a fascinating listen. I can't say it's better than the album version, but for historical value, this is just so damn fascinating. No falsetto, live in the studio with MD, joking with Peggy, Prince struggling to keep a straight face while delivering some of the lyrics. This is so good. And the sound quality is well beyond expectation!





Are you not super exceited about how good the 1999 remaster is going to sound? Wow....to be able to hear his guitar licks throughout LadyCab Driver...wow.




Why did u say that? Did u listen the remaster already?
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Reply #44 posted 10/15/19 11:05am

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I wonder how many takes there are in the vault.

RIP sad
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Reply #45 posted 10/15/19 1:19pm

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BalladofPeterParker said:

Absolute genius! This track is the ONE, I remember International Lover being my go to track waaaay back in the day. For those of us that were teens back when this came out ...whew...what memories! I was an "International Lover" that had to ask to borrow my parents car keys lol!!

yeahthat fro

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Reply #46 posted 10/15/19 4:40pm

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Simply amazing version.......the sound quality is so crisp. I can't wait for my Box set to arrive.

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Reply #47 posted 10/16/19 8:27am

JoeyCococo

love2thenines2003 said:

JoeyCococo said:

Are you not super exceited about how good the 1999 remaster is going to sound? Wow....to be able to hear his guitar licks throughout LadyCab Driver...wow.

Why did u say that? Did u listen the remaster already?

No, but if International Take 1 is any indication (and Baby You're A Trip from Originals), the remaster is going to KICK AZZ.

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Reply #48 posted 10/16/19 10:35am

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rdhull said:

robertgeorge said:

Listened to this track. Both this and the album release are real and they are spectacular.

who told you to put the balm on?



Nobody can tell what a balm's going to do! This is the greatest of my many humiliations.

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Reply #49 posted 10/16/19 4:32pm

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I still feel like I have yet to hear these remasters sound "better," but they're all definitely louder, which is what I think the sound quality commentators mean.... sometimes I think it's a production thing, because the major difference in Take 1 and final release besides vocals is those high-frequency synths he preferred lacing his final productions with.

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Reply #50 posted 10/16/19 5:25pm

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TheEnglishGent said:

I wonder how many takes there are in the vault.



That's what always gets me going. With Beatles vault material, many takes have leaked, and the estate even went as far as mixing alternative versions based on the best bits from each take (with Paul, George and Ringo's blessing) to create fantastic alternative versions.

Are we likely to see them all released? Unlikely. Would we prefer a Beatles approach? Debatable. Would we like to hear niether? I doubt it.

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Reply #51 posted 10/17/19 12:50am

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SquirrelMeat said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I wonder how many takes there are in the vault.



That's what always gets me going. With Beatles vault material, many takes have leaked, and the estate even went as far as mixing alternative versions based on the best bits from each take (with Paul, George and Ringo's blessing) to create fantastic alternative versions.

Are we likely to see them all released? Unlikely. Would we prefer a Beatles approach? Debatable. Would we like to hear niether? I doubt it.

I want things from the vault....untouched.....except for a better sound possible with what we have in his basic form......if NOT.......this is not PRINCE anymore & i'm not interrested in !!!!!!!

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Reply #52 posted 10/17/19 9:37am

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love2thenines2003 said:

SquirrelMeat said:



That's what always gets me going. With Beatles vault material, many takes have leaked, and the estate even went as far as mixing alternative versions based on the best bits from each take (with Paul, George and Ringo's blessing) to create fantastic alternative versions.

Are we likely to see them all released? Unlikely. Would we prefer a Beatles approach? Debatable. Would we like to hear niether? I doubt it.

I want things from the vault....untouched.....except for a better sound possible with what we have in his basic form......if NOT.......this is not PRINCE anymore & i'm not interrested in !!!!!!!

neutral

Yeah I dunno, the Beatles stuff is interesting, we already have what Prince wanted released so anything else is already going against his wishes.

I agree full takes are ideal but what if they have 27 alternate takes, including errors and half-finished versions, of a song? I'd be happy if they threw them all up as a download/streaming but as a physical release some kind of mixing and matching would be fine by me.

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Reply #53 posted 10/18/19 2:43pm

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jaawwnn said:



love2thenines2003 said:




SquirrelMeat said:





That's what always gets me going. With Beatles vault material, many takes have leaked, and the estate even went as far as mixing alternative versions based on the best bits from each take (with Paul, George and Ringo's blessing) to create fantastic alternative versions.

Are we likely to see them all released? Unlikely. Would we prefer a Beatles approach? Debatable. Would we like to hear niether? I doubt it.





I want things from the vault....untouched.....except for a better sound possible with what we have in his basic form.....if NOT.....this is not PRINCE anymore & i'm not interrested in !!!!!



neutral



Yeah I dunno, the Beatles stuff is interesting, we already have what Prince wanted released so anything else is already going against his wishes.

I agree full takes are ideal but what if they have 27 alternate takes, including errors and half-finished versions, of a song? I'd be happy if they threw them all up as a download/streaming but as a physical release some kind of mixing and matching would be fine by me.


The org would detonate if they did that. Look how many people went apeshit over Originals.

Edit: If they released cobbled together versions.
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Reply #54 posted 10/19/19 4:39pm

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jaawwnn said:

love2thenines2003 said:

I want things from the vault....untouched.....except for a better sound possible with what we have in his basic form......if NOT.......this is not PRINCE anymore & i'm not interrested in !!!!!!!

neutral

Yeah I dunno, the Beatles stuff is interesting, we already have what Prince wanted released so anything else is already going against his wishes.

I agree full takes are ideal but what if they have 27 alternate takes, including errors and half-finished versions, of a song? I'd be happy if they threw them all up as a download/streaming but as a physical release some kind of mixing and matching would be fine by me.


Did you ever hear the Beatle Love album? (A remix album made for Cirque du Soleil).

It had fantatic production and gave a really refreshing take on old songs. I wouldn't mind them doing that with Prince as long as, a) we get the orginals, and b) they are clear about what they are doing.

But I'm with you, I would love to hear all the versions. That's where a hardcore subsciption model could work for the estate if they were bold enough.

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Reply #55 posted 11/07/19 4:03pm

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Was never a huge fan of the original recording on 1999, a bit thin-sounding and overwrought vocal. This is more laid-back and sounds much warmer. Prince's piano playing is stunning and Morris on the drums is always going to be awesome. It's still a pretty weak song IMO, but an enjoyable release neverthless.

Same for me. Always been a bit of a skipper on the album – just a bit too processed and thin. This version is so much more interesting and more human.

Funny how often he tried to bury the warmth and humour in his work, in certain periods of his career. I guess at this point the Time were the funny guys, so his take had to be different.

I find much of the album pretty thin and metalic sounding, which sometimes seems appropriate and other times not. Interesting to hear if the overal tone will change with the remaster. Don't hate, but I think I'd prefer it beefed up.

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Reply #56 posted 11/11/19 4:35am

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Was on 4 planes this past weekend and felt like I should have International Lover queued up when the flight attendants did their safety spiel. biggrin

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Reply #57 posted 11/12/19 3:58pm

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I JUST LOVE this version....

Please bring us all the first takes....

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