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Reply #90 posted 09/15/19 8:14am

herb4

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After 1999 (my favorite album of all time), I'd just go in order but SoTT will be the heavy hitter of the bunch. I think Parade has the most interesting outtakes though and can picture something really interesting coming out of that project.

Not sure what they'd do with Batman, GB or even Lovesexy for that matter.

Worried that the temptation to do them in order of overall sales figures instead of the quality of the content will undermine thie idea of doing them by artistic merit, so we'll get Batman and D&P before far better albums like Parade, Sign and Lovesexy.

My main desire is aftershows and live material from the soundboard (and on Blu-Ray) along with unreleased vault tracks.

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Reply #91 posted 09/15/19 2:14pm

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If I was a betting man, and I am, I would say Parade is next, followed by Sign O The Times.

Personally though I would love to see them start from the very beginning and work their way up, but from a business perspective, that would probably not be be the best play.

They will likely continue, whether they go up, or down from here is anyone's bet. Honestly I feel that Parade will be next if they continue the series. But I would lose my mind if they released this one below.


For You Deluxe

6 CD's 1 DVD

CD1 - For You Remastered

CD2 - For You - Original Demos, Alternates & Extended Cuts

CD3 - Vault Material Part 1

1. I Like What You're Doing

2. Hello, My Love

3. Neurotic Lover's Baby's Bedroom

4. I Like What You're Doing

5. Jelly Jam

6. Lady Pleasure

7. Leaving For New York

8. Make It Through The Storm

9. Nightingale

10. Since We've Been Together

11. Rock Me, Lover

12. Don't You Wanna Ride

13. Hey Lover

14. I Spend My Time Loving You

15. Waiting For You

CD4 - Vault Material Part 2

1. Aces

2. Baby

3. Diamond Eyes

4. Don't Forget

5. Don't Hold Back

6. Fantasy

7. Surprise

8. Amber Eyes

9. Bump This

10. E-Pluribus Funk

11. Fantasy

12. I Like What You're Doing

13. Life Is So Neat

14. Love In The Morning

15. Neurotic Lover's Baby's Bedroom

16. Shine Your Light/Red Zone

17. We Can Work It Out

CD5 - Vault Material Part 3

1. Neurotic Lover's Baby's Bedroom

2. Shine Your Light/Red Zone

3. We Can Work It Out

4. Baby, Baby, Baby

5. Darlene Marie

6. Do It Again

7. Down A Long Lonely Road

8. Donna

9. Gypsy

10. I Met A Virgin Queen

11. I'm Leaving LA

12. I'm Saving It Up

13. Love Affair

14. Love Of Mine

15. Miss You

16. Nadara

17. Rocking Chair

18. We Would Like To See You Again

CD6 - Loring Park Session Instrumentals

DVD - Prince Tour - Capri Theater January 5th, 1979 Minneapolis MN


[Edited 9/15/19 14:27pm]

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Reply #92 posted 09/15/19 3:04pm

Hamad

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leadline said:

If I was a betting man, and I am, I would say Parade is next, followed by Sign O The Times.

Personally though I would love to see them start from the very beginning and work their way up, but from a business perspective, that would probably not be be the best play.

They will likely continue, whether they go up, or down from here is anyone's bet. Honestly I feel that Parade will be next if they continue the series. But I would lose my mind if they released this one below.


For You Deluxe

6 CD's 1 DVD

CD1 - For You Remastered

CD2 - For You - Original Demos, Alternates & Extended Cuts

CD3 - Vault Material Part 1

1. I Like What You're Doing

2. Hello, My Love

3. Neurotic Lover's Baby's Bedroom

4. I Like What You're Doing

5. Jelly Jam

6. Lady Pleasure

7. Leaving For New York

8. Make It Through The Storm

9. Nightingale

10. Since We've Been Together

11. Rock Me, Lover

12. Don't You Wanna Ride

13. Hey Lover

14. I Spend My Time Loving You

15. Waiting For You

CD4 - Vault Material Part 2

1. Aces

2. Baby

3. Diamond Eyes

4. Don't Forget

5. Don't Hold Back

6. Fantasy

7. Surprise

8. Amber Eyes

9. Bump This

10. E-Pluribus Funk

11. Fantasy

12. I Like What You're Doing

13. Life Is So Neat

14. Love In The Morning

15. Neurotic Lover's Baby's Bedroom

16. Shine Your Light/Red Zone

17. We Can Work It Out

CD5 - Vault Material Part 3

1. Neurotic Lover's Baby's Bedroom

2. Shine Your Light/Red Zone

3. We Can Work It Out

4. Baby, Baby, Baby

5. Darlene Marie

6. Do It Again

7. Down A Long Lonely Road

8. Donna

9. Gypsy

10. I Met A Virgin Queen

11. I'm Leaving LA

12. I'm Saving It Up

13. Love Affair

14. Love Of Mine

15. Miss You

16. Nadara

17. Rocking Chair

18. We Would Like To See You Again

CD6 - Loring Park Session Instrumentals

DVD - Prince Tour - Capri Theater January 5th, 1979 Minneapolis MN


[Edited 9/15/19 14:27pm]

I haven't heard many of those, and if I did, they were untitled. But man, if that was released, I would be a happy man. That whole debut album is my fave afternoon listen. But I think the songs that the songs he left out of that album had more attitude & pizzazz than the ones there released officially. Also, I'd love to add "Wouldn't U Love To Love Me" the original on that tracklist.

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Reply #93 posted 09/15/19 5:25pm

leadline

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Hamad said:

leadline said:

If I was a betting man, and I am, I would say Parade is next, followed by Sign O The Times.

Personally though I would love to see them start from the very beginning and work their way up, but from a business perspective, that would probably not be be the best play.

They will likely continue, whether they go up, or down from here is anyone's bet. Honestly I feel that Parade will be next if they continue the series. But I would lose my mind if they released this one below.


For You Deluxe

6 CD's 1 DVD

CD1 - For You Remastered

CD2 - For You - Original Demos, Alternates & Extended Cuts

CD3 - Vault Material Part 1

1. I Like What You're Doing

2. Hello, My Love

3. Neurotic Lover's Baby's Bedroom

4. I Like What You're Doing

5. Jelly Jam

6. Lady Pleasure

7. Leaving For New York

8. Make It Through The Storm

9. Nightingale

10. Since We've Been Together

11. Rock Me, Lover

12. Don't You Wanna Ride

13. Hey Lover

14. I Spend My Time Loving You

15. Waiting For You

CD4 - Vault Material Part 2

1. Aces

2. Baby

3. Diamond Eyes

4. Don't Forget

5. Don't Hold Back

6. Fantasy

7. Surprise

8. Amber Eyes

9. Bump This

10. E-Pluribus Funk

11. Fantasy

12. I Like What You're Doing

13. Life Is So Neat

14. Love In The Morning

15. Neurotic Lover's Baby's Bedroom

16. Shine Your Light/Red Zone

17. We Can Work It Out

CD5 - Vault Material Part 3

1. Neurotic Lover's Baby's Bedroom

2. Shine Your Light/Red Zone

3. We Can Work It Out

4. Baby, Baby, Baby

5. Darlene Marie

6. Do It Again

7. Down A Long Lonely Road

8. Donna

9. Gypsy

10. I Met A Virgin Queen

11. I'm Leaving LA

12. I'm Saving It Up

13. Love Affair

14. Love Of Mine

15. Miss You

16. Nadara

17. Rocking Chair

18. We Would Like To See You Again

CD6 - Loring Park Session Instrumentals

DVD - Prince Tour - Capri Theater January 5th, 1979 Minneapolis MN


[Edited 9/15/19 14:27pm]

I haven't heard many of those, and if I did, they were untitled. But man, if that was released, I would be a happy man. That whole debut album is my fave afternoon listen. But I think the songs that the songs he left out of that album had more attitude & pizzazz than the ones there released officially. Also, I'd love to add "Wouldn't U Love To Love Me" the original on that tracklist.


Yep, a great listen for sure, I go back to this CD very often. Good call on Wouldn't You Love To Love Me?, I missed that one.

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Reply #94 posted 09/15/19 5:41pm

violetcrush

VaultCurator said:

OK, so I knocked this up and haven't had time to check running times, so this may need a little altering to get everything to fit, but I reckon this works for the most part...


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Sign 'O' The Times (Super Deluxe)

Disc 1: Crystal Ball I
Rebirth Of The Flesh
Play In The Sunshine
Housequake
The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker
It
Starfish And Coffee
Slow Love
Hot Thing
Crystal Ball
If I Was Your Girlfriend
Rockhard In A Funky Place

Disc 2: Crystal Ball II
The Ball
Joy In Repetition
Strange Relationship
I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man
Shockadelica
Good Love
Forever In My Life
Sign O' The Times
The Cross
It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night
Adore (Until The End Of Time)

Disc 3: The Singles
Sign O' The Times (Edit) (3:42)
La, La, La, He, He, Hee (3:21)
If I Was Your Girlfriend (Edit) (3:46)
Shockadelica (3:30)
U Got The Look (3:46)
Housequake (Edit) (3:24)
Hot Thing (Edit) (3:40)
I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Fade) (3:39)
Feel U Up (3:44)
La, La, La, He, He, Hee (Highly Explosive) (10:32)
U Got The Look (Long Look) (6:45)
Housequake (7 Minutes MoQuake) (7:15)
Hot Thing (Extended Remix) (8:32)
Hot Thing (Dub Version) (6:53)
Feel U Up (Long Stroke)
The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (Extended Version)

Disc 4: The Dream Factory Sessions
Visions
Dream Factory
It's A Wonderful Day
Train
Big Tall Wall
And That Says What?
Strange Relationship*
Teacher, Teacher
Interlude
In A Large Room With No Light
Nevaeh Ni Ecalp A
Sexual Suicide
Crystal Ball
Power Fantastic
Last Heart
Witness 4 The Prosecution
Movie Star
A Place In Heaven (Lisa’s Vocal)
All My Dreams

Disc 5: The Vault Part 1 (May 1986 - Sep 1986)
Splash '86
Baby Go Go
Get On Up
Eggplant
Everybody Wants What They Don't Got
Coco Boys
Adonis and Batsheeba
Joy in Repetition (unsegued)
Soulpsychodelicide '86
Data Bank
Girl 'O' My Dreams
Can't Stop This Feeling I Got
We Can Funk

Disc 6: The Vault Part 2 (Sep 1986 - Feb 1987)
When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes
Crucial (Eric Leeds mix)
Witness 4 The Prosecution (new recording)
Telepathy
Emotional Pump
Eternity
Cosmic Day
Crucial
Walkin' In Glory
Housequake (Razormaid Remix)
3 Nigs Watchin' A Kung Fu Movie
101
Wally

Disc 7: The Black Album
Le Grind
Cindy C.
Dead On It
When 2 R In Love
Bob George
Superfunkycalifragisexy
2 Nigs United 4 West Compton
Rockhard In A Funky Place

Disc 8: Sign O' The Times Live (France or Netherlands)

Disc 9: Sign O The Times Concert Movie (DVD)



[Edited 9/13/19 9:00am]


^^^ YES THAT!! All of that! Plus a couple of SOTT after shows, especially Le New Morning ‘87 smile
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Reply #95 posted 09/15/19 9:09pm

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I wouldn't be oppossed to a madhouse box set. With the unreleased album material. Just saying.

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Reply #96 posted 09/16/19 7:24am

jaypotton

kewlschool said:

I wouldn't be oppossed to a madhouse box set. With the unreleased album material. Just saying.



Sorry to say it but doubt there is much demand for that!
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Reply #97 posted 09/16/19 11:51pm

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jaypotton said:

kewlschool said:

I wouldn't be oppossed to a madhouse box set. With the unreleased album material. Just saying.

Sorry to say it but doubt there is much demand for that!

i didn't hear people beating down doors for the Versace experience! lol

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Reply #98 posted 09/17/19 3:15am

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PARADE SUPERDELUXE will be out next year...at this stage...this release is due for release from who are in the know!
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Reply #99 posted 09/17/19 3:26am

Moonbeam

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love2thenines2003 said:

PARADE SUPERDELUXE will be out next year...at this stage...this release is due for release from who are in the know!


I’d love a deluxe edition of Parade, and I don’t have any inside info to claim anything, but it does seem a little strange if it would come next, given WB have a limited window for most of the classic era albums except for the soundtrack albums. From my understanding, WB could put together a Parade deluxe for release in 2022 and beyond, but not the same for albums like the first 4, Around the World in a Day, Sign o’ the Times, Lovesexy, Diamonds and Pearls or prince.
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Reply #100 posted 09/17/19 3:28am

Hamad

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Madhouse has a cult-like following, that Wax Poetics kinda implied that & I believe it. It definitely deserves the deluxe treatment, and who knows here’s hoping maybe that will bring The Flesh (??) sessions out on the surface officially too, big I’m just being greedy smile
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Reply #101 posted 09/17/19 7:40am

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Madhouse deluxe would be good, but given that great quality versions of The Flesh sessions, as well as both 24 versions are out there amongst the regular fans, not just elite, I wonder what it's going to bring relative to Parade, SOTT or Around The World In A Day.

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Reply #102 posted 09/17/19 9:39am

jaypotton

Moonbeam said:

love2thenines2003 said:

PARADE SUPERDELUXE will be out next year...at this stage...this release is due for release from who are in the know!


I’d love a deluxe edition of Parade, and I don’t have any inside info to claim anything, but it does seem a little strange if it would come next, given WB have a limited window for most of the classic era albums except for the soundtrack albums. From my understanding, WB could put together a Parade deluxe for release in 2022 and beyond, but not the same for albums like the first 4, Around the World in a Day, Sign o’ the Times, Lovesexy, Diamonds and Pearls or prince.


Yeah this "soundtracks in perpetuity" is an interesting one. I cannot see WB having rights to vault tracks in perpetuity only the actually released albums/singles/b-sides/extended.

WB obviously have rights to all songs recorded between 1978-1996 until 2021 hence the super deluxe of 1999. But cannot see how they could do that for Purple Rain, Parade, Batman, GB post 2021 (ie. Included vault tracks). Obviously the estate can licence tracks to WB but surely ALL tracks recorded from 1978-2016 (apart from these soundtracks) have been licensed to Sony from 2021 (with post WB catalogue already under licence to Sony).
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Reply #103 posted 09/17/19 10:26am

massing

love2thenines2003 said:

PARADE SUPERDELUXE will be out next year...at this stage...this release is due for release from who are in the know!

I would love this, as it's my favourite album of all time. What vault tracks would belong on a deluxe Parade? The only ones I can think of are:

Old Friends 4 Sale
All My Dreams
Others Here With Us
Little Wendy's Parade
An Honest Man
Call Of The Wild



Any others?

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Reply #104 posted 09/17/19 11:06am

wonderboy

DaddySmooth said:

Controversy with The Second Coming DVD.


Yes-that!
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Reply #105 posted 09/17/19 3:26pm

herb4

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massing said:

love2thenines2003 said:

PARADE SUPERDELUXE will be out next year...at this stage...this release is due for release from who are in the know!

I would love this, as it's my favourite album of all time. What vault tracks would belong on a deluxe Parade? The only ones I can think of are:

Old Friends 4 Sale
All My Dreams
Others Here With Us
Little Wendy's Parade
An Honest Man
Call Of The Wild



Any others?


You actually made me question this and I think I incorrectly confuse a lot of boots an outtakes by attributing them to this time period. A lot of the songs I looked up weren't from these sessions/era at all.

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Reply #106 posted 09/17/19 3:33pm

IstenSzek

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massing said:

love2thenines2003 said:

PARADE SUPERDELUXE will be out next year...at this stage...this release is due for release from who are in the know!

I would love this, as it's my favourite album of all time. What vault tracks would belong on a deluxe Parade? The only ones I can think of are:

Old Friends 4 Sale
All My Dreams
Others Here With Us
Little Wendy's Parade
An Honest Man
Call Of The Wild



Any others?


off the top of my head:


God is Everywhere
Stella & Charles
Evolsidog
Come Elektra Tuesday
Tibet
Little Girl Wendy's Parade

Call Of The Wild
Others Here With Us

All My Dreams
Old Friends 4 Sale
Polka Dot Tiger
An Honest Man

Go
Empty Room
Neon Telephone

Heaven
My Sex
Palomino Pleasure Ride
Can I Play With U?
(U Got The) Good Drawers
A Couple of Miles
She Pony

also, a lot of madhouse stuff falls into this period and some of it was even in the movie,
a lot of jill jones material was written and recorded during this time as well.

plus, i'd like them to include songs that were later released on crystal ball and online,
like 'splash', 'sexual suicide' etc. just to have everything in one place. on that note, u
could also, perhaps, include all the songs from the family with prince on vocals.

the parade deluxe could be absolutely a-ma-zing.

drool






[Edited 9/17/19 15:40pm]

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Reply #107 posted 09/17/19 11:51pm

massing

IstenSzek said:

massing said:

I would love this, as it's my favourite album of all time. What vault tracks would belong on a deluxe Parade? The only ones I can think of are:

Old Friends 4 Sale
All My Dreams
Others Here With Us
Little Wendy's Parade
An Honest Man
Call Of The Wild



Any others?


off the top of my head:


God is Everywhere
Stella & Charles
Evolsidog
Come Elektra Tuesday
Tibet
Little Girl Wendy's Parade

Call Of The Wild
Others Here With Us

All My Dreams
Old Friends 4 Sale
Polka Dot Tiger
An Honest Man

Go
Empty Room
Neon Telephone

Heaven
My Sex
Palomino Pleasure Ride
Can I Play With U?
(U Got The) Good Drawers
A Couple of Miles
She Pony

also, a lot of madhouse stuff falls into this period and some of it was even in the movie,
a lot of jill jones material was written and recorded during this time as well.

plus, i'd like them to include songs that were later released on crystal ball and online,
like 'splash', 'sexual suicide' etc. just to have everything in one place. on that note, u
could also, perhaps, include all the songs from the family with prince on vocals.

the parade deluxe could be absolutely a-ma-zing.

drool






[Edited 9/17/19 15:40pm]

Awesome, thanks a lot for the info.

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Reply #108 posted 09/18/19 12:15am

Moonbeam

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jaypotton said:

Moonbeam said:
I’d love a deluxe edition of Parade, and I don’t have any inside info to claim anything, but it does seem a little strange if it would come next, given WB have a limited window for most of the classic era albums except for the soundtrack albums. From my understanding, WB could put together a Parade deluxe for release in 2022 and beyond, but not the same for albums like the first 4, Around the World in a Day, Sign o’ the Times, Lovesexy, Diamonds and Pearls or prince.
Yeah this "soundtracks in perpetuity" is an interesting one. I cannot see WB having rights to vault tracks in perpetuity only the actually released albums/singles/b-sides/extended. WB obviously have rights to all songs recorded between 1978-1996 until 2021 hence the super deluxe of 1999. But cannot see how they could do that for Purple Rain, Parade, Batman, GB post 2021 (ie. Included vault tracks). Obviously the estate can licence tracks to WB but surely ALL tracks recorded from 1978-2016 (apart from these soundtracks) have been licensed to Sony from 2021 (with post WB catalogue already under licence to Sony).


I didn't know WB would lose the ability to publish vault tracks associated with soundtrack albums as well. Thanks for that! Makes more sense now.


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Reply #109 posted 09/18/19 12:22am

jaypotton

Moonbeam said:



jaypotton said:


Moonbeam said:
I’d love a deluxe edition of Parade, and I don’t have any inside info to claim anything, but it does seem a little strange if it would come next, given WB have a limited window for most of the classic era albums except for the soundtrack albums. From my understanding, WB could put together a Parade deluxe for release in 2022 and beyond, but not the same for albums like the first 4, Around the World in a Day, Sign o’ the Times, Lovesexy, Diamonds and Pearls or prince.

Yeah this "soundtracks in perpetuity" is an interesting one. I cannot see WB having rights to vault tracks in perpetuity only the actually released albums/singles/b-sides/extended. WB obviously have rights to all songs recorded between 1978-1996 until 2021 hence the super deluxe of 1999. But cannot see how they could do that for Purple Rain, Parade, Batman, GB post 2021 (ie. Included vault tracks). Obviously the estate can licence tracks to WB but surely ALL tracks recorded from 1978-2016 (apart from these soundtracks) have been licensed to Sony from 2021 (with post WB catalogue already under licence to Sony).


I didn't know WB would lose the ability to publish vault tracks associated with soundtrack albums as well. Thanks for that! Makes more sense now.




Just to qualify my statement further - I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT - but it would be very strange from a contractual POV if they had any rights over vault material because, quite frankly, how can they say it was 100% intended at any point to be part of the soundtrack release?

Edit to further explain my rationale - Warners can legitimately make claim to rights over vault tracks recorded between 1978-1996 due to Prince being under contract to them during this period and (arguably) paying for studio time etc out of advances paid to him by them. Clearly they can make no such claim post 1996.

I think (but cannot recall exact details) that when Prince signed a new deal with Warners in 2014, that was what set the 2021 expiry date. Also at play (and I think but cannot recall exactly) was the 35 year rule by which ownership of the masters for each album (song?) would revert to Prince after 35 years anyway. I think this was what prompted both sides to do the new deal in 2014.
[Edited 9/18/19 0:33am]
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Reply #110 posted 09/18/19 1:00am

JorisE73

wonderboy said:

DaddySmooth said:
Controversy with The Second Coming DVD.
Yes-that!


I would love that to.
But I don't think this will ever be released without it being completely edited and finished for a proper release.
Here's some info from another board on 'The Second COming':

****

-- After being asked if the non concert footage has audio:

Only boom audio for that footage exists because ADR never happened (it was just a screentest for possible use...)

-- After being asked if a version of The Second Coming exists with audio:

Yes, an assembly edit of the "movie" has audio... This assembly edit and all the remaining footage were scanned with a Telecine filmdeck in the late 1980's from the original film reels are were stored away and a couple of months later these were traded around in the early 1990's coupled with the rough cut of the "Controversy" musicvideo... So yes, the edit has audio but it's only boom audio and soundboard audio for the concert footage, the project was abandoned before they did ADR... The footage was later reused as screentest footage for "Dreams"/"Purple Rain" to convince the suits at WB...

-- After being asked more info:


It's just a regular, assembly cut; which entails that they assembled all usable footage into a coherent sequence or "movie" and ended with a collection of dailies or rushes for Prince or the filmmaker or whomever... It starts with the footage of the girls and Prince and then it cuts to the concert; real simple and crude... So not a ready for release edit by any means and honestly shouldn't be released as such... If they want to release this footage they should tear it apart and release the non-concert footage as some funny homevideo (like "2 Bums Living The Hard Life" or the Apollonia 6 Video album) and release the full uncut concert seperately which would be more entertaining, but they shouldn't market it as "The Second Coming"... The plan, as I was told years ago, was that more footage needed to be shot to splice it into the concert footage; think of it as the Vanessa Marcil edit of "The Undertaker"... The footage of Prince and the girls was just the intro, which some people wanted to edit into the concert footage; Prince didn't like that idea and the rest is history...

(Source: Neversin who posted it on an invite only message board)

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Reply #111 posted 09/18/19 2:01am

darkroman

I do think it will be interesting if Warners sticks with '80s for too long - after all, there are limits.

Even though a Parade deluxe would be awesome, it (perhaps) makes more commercial sense to next re-visit Diamonds & Pearls and then after that return to the '80s and Parade.

cool

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Reply #112 posted 09/18/19 5:57am

RODSERLING

herb4 said:

After 1999 (my favorite album of all time), I'd just go in order but SoTT will be the heavy hitter of the bunch. I think Parade has the most interesting outtakes though and can picture something really interesting coming out of that project.

Not sure what they'd do with Batman, GB or even Lovesexy for that matter.

Worried that the temptation to do them in order of overall sales figures instead of the quality of the content will undermine thie idea of doing them by artistic merit, so we'll get Batman and D&P before far better albums like Parade, Sign and Lovesexy.

My main desire is aftershows and live material from the soundboard (and on Blu-Ray) along with unreleased vault tracks.




Batman and D&P catalogue sales are by far inferior to those of Parade or SOTT.
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I think that is what matters in 2019, not the historical overall sales, but the recent sales and critical acclaim.
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Reply #113 posted 09/18/19 10:18am

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RODSERLING said:

herb4 said:

After 1999 (my favorite album of all time), I'd just go in order but SoTT will be the heavy hitter of the bunch. I think Parade has the most interesting outtakes though and can picture something really interesting coming out of that project.

Not sure what they'd do with Batman, GB or even Lovesexy for that matter.

Worried that the temptation to do them in order of overall sales figures instead of the quality of the content will undermine thie idea of doing them by artistic merit, so we'll get Batman and D&P before far better albums like Parade, Sign and Lovesexy.

My main desire is aftershows and live material from the soundboard (and on Blu-Ray) along with unreleased vault tracks.




Batman and D&P catalogue sales are by far inferior to those of Parade or SOTT.
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I think that is what matters in 2019, not the historical overall sales, but the recent sales and critical acclaim.
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You said "catalogue sales" before. Do you mean sales a certain number of years after initial release? At what point do sales become catalogue sales?
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #114 posted 09/18/19 1:29pm

jfenster

how about a theatrical run of the uncut movies??? followed by the uncut dvds

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Reply #115 posted 09/18/19 9:56pm

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jaypotton said:

RODSERLING said:



Batman and D&P catalogue sales are by far inferior to those of Parade or SOTT.
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I think that is what matters in 2019, not the historical overall sales, but the recent sales and critical acclaim.
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You said "catalogue sales" before. Do you mean sales a certain number of years after initial release? At what point do sales become catalogue sales?


Catalogue sales according to Billboard are sales from after two years after the initial release.
After two years, an album become an "old" album, its promotion is finished and only its legacy can make people buy it.
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Reply #116 posted 09/19/19 11:32am

jaypotton

RODSERLING said:

jaypotton said:



You said "catalogue sales" before. Do you mean sales a certain number of years after initial release? At what point do sales become catalogue sales?


Catalogue sales according to Billboard are sales from after two years after the initial release.
After two years, an album become an "old" album, its promotion is finished and only its legacy can make people buy it.


Ah ok thanks. So I saw somewhere else you said that "Prince" has more catalogue sales than "Diamonds & Pearls" but would a chunk of those sales be from the period after Purple Rain was released 84/85?
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #117 posted 09/19/19 11:35am

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JorisE73 said:

wonderboy said:

DaddySmooth said: Yes-that!


I would love that to.
But I don't think this will ever be released without it being completely edited and finished for a proper release.
Here's some info from another board on 'The Second COming':

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-- After being asked if the non concert footage has audio:

Only boom audio for that footage exists because ADR never happened (it was just a screentest for possible use...)

-- After being asked if a version of The Second Coming exists with audio:

Yes, an assembly edit of the "movie" has audio... This assembly edit and all the remaining footage were scanned with a Telecine filmdeck in the late 1980's from the original film reels are were stored away and a couple of months later these were traded around in the early 1990's coupled with the rough cut of the "Controversy" musicvideo... So yes, the edit has audio but it's only boom audio and soundboard audio for the concert footage, the project was abandoned before they did ADR... The footage was later reused as screentest footage for "Dreams"/"Purple Rain" to convince the suits at WB...

-- After being asked more info:


It's just a regular, assembly cut; which entails that they assembled all usable footage into a coherent sequence or "movie" and ended with a collection of dailies or rushes for Prince or the filmmaker or whomever... It starts with the footage of the girls and Prince and then it cuts to the concert; real simple and crude... So not a ready for release edit by any means and honestly shouldn't be released as such... If they want to release this footage they should tear it apart and release the non-concert footage as some funny homevideo (like "2 Bums Living The Hard Life" or the Apollonia 6 Video album) and release the full uncut concert seperately which would be more entertaining, but they shouldn't market it as "The Second Coming"... The plan, as I was told years ago, was that more footage needed to be shot to splice it into the concert footage; think of it as the Vanessa Marcil edit of "The Undertaker"... The footage of Prince and the girls was just the intro, which some people wanted to edit into the concert footage; Prince didn't like that idea and the rest is history...

(Source: Neversin who posted it on an invite only message board)


GREAT info guys, cheers cool


EG

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Reply #118 posted 09/19/19 12:05pm

Romeoblu

EmmaMcG said:

Anything from Musicology onwards. I have hundreds of "unreleased" or alternate versions of songs from the 80s so Deluxe versions of his classic albums don't really excite me to be honest. The 1999 Deluxe edition seems OK because there's about 14 or 15 songs on there that I don't already have but there's no guarantee that a Sign of the Times or Parade remaster will contain all that many new songs for me. But outtakes from 2004 - 2016 are very rare so I'd rather something from that era instead of the 80s stuff.


I think a Parade Deluxe could offer a fair amount of unheard material plus the stuff we have in full and excellent sound quality.

However I would also love to hear more from the session that took place in the last decade of his career.
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Reply #119 posted 09/19/19 2:19pm

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jaypotton said:

RODSERLING said:
Catalogue sales according to Billboard are sales from after two years after the initial release. After two years, an album become an "old" album, its promotion is finished and only its legacy can make people buy it.
Ah ok thanks. So I saw somewhere else you said that "Prince" has more catalogue sales than "Diamonds & Pearls" but would a chunk of those sales be from the period after Purple Rain was released 84/85?


Thx, jay, for asking that because I was wondering the same thing but I'll stand by my assertion that neither WB nor the estate are going to invest themselves in that nuance and will likely just look at total numbers. If I had to bet, I'd say both will focus on total sales to determine what's what and how to proceed.

I could see them skipping Batman since it's so weighed down by the times and the film, but D&P had several hits and, if I'm not mistaken, is his 2nd or 3rd highest selling album ever so I can't see the people lined up to cash in on this stuff glossing over that fact for the sake of artistic integrity or considering "well, yeah, but 'catalogue sales'"

If you happen to know, beyond 1999 and PR, or "the usual suspects", which of his albums has the strongest legs related to your definition? Meaning sales over time I guess. I'm genuinely curious.

Eventually, they're gonna have to do a vault dump and give the hardcore followers what they want -after they're done milking his commercial legacy and once interest has dried up to the point that only the die hards will pony up - but, sadly, I think that will take some time.

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