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Reply #30 posted 09/04/19 2:36pm

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Old friends 4 sale
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Reply #31 posted 09/04/19 3:57pm

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wildgoldenhoney said:

I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore

It sounded like it was a final goodbye or an acceptance that his wishing for a future with Denise was over. He moved on with his hopes and dreams.


That song is not about Denise. Their relationship ended many many years prior to him writing the song. Although, it’s interesting because during the last P&M show he sang this song and after the lyric “I remember meeting you here in the good old days” he then said, “the 80’s”. The song says “what happened to the ring I gave you”, and the only woman he gave a ring to in the 80’s was Susannah. So, I thought that was interesting. Even if the song was not originally about her it seemed to be connected to her that night.
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Reply #32 posted 09/04/19 4:01pm

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“But it let me know that my name had never really been spoken before
Before the day I carried you through the Bridle Path door”

Remember, Prince and Manuela lived on a street called The Bridle Path in Toronto.

Prince changed his name back not long before he married Manuela. The song was expressing how he loved hearing his name again and hearing Manuela say it.
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Reply #33 posted 09/04/19 4:24pm

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In one of my favorites "Still Would Stand All Time" he sings the lyrics "so many times, I thought I could not make it, life was closing in, I just knew, I just knew I couldn't take it"....tears me up all the time, because I can remember feeling that same exact way when I was at my lowest.

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Reply #34 posted 09/04/19 4:30pm

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looby said:

In one of my favorites "Still Would Stand All Time" he sings the lyrics "so many times, I thought I could not make it, life was closing in, I just knew, I just knew I couldn't take it"....tears me up all the time, because I can remember feeling that same exact way when I was at my lowest.

Thank you for mentioning that song...I love it melodically. There is a Youtube video of it and Prince is playing the organ. It gives me chills everytime.

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Reply #35 posted 09/04/19 4:53pm

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^^You're welcome PeggyO, I love that song. smile

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Reply #36 posted 09/04/19 5:18pm

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violetcrush said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore

It sounded like it was a final goodbye or an acceptance that his wishing for a future with Denise was over. He moved on with his hopes and dreams.


That song is not about Denise. Their relationship ended many many years prior to him writing the song. Although, it’s interesting because during the last P&M show he sang this song and after the lyric “I remember meeting you here in the good old days” he then said, “the 80’s”. The song says “what happened to the ring I gave you”, and the only woman he gave a ring to in the 80’s was Susannah. So, I thought that was interesting. Even if the song was not originally about her it seemed to be connected to her that night.


Yes. And he said it with a slight sense of humor. smile
But it was obvious that he was still so emotional about Mayte. (I think). This is where the man confuses me. smile
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Reply #37 posted 09/04/19 5:20pm

TheTruth123

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TheTruth123 said:

“But it let me know that my name had never really been spoken before
Before the day I carried you through the Bridle Path door”

Remember, Prince and Manuela lived on a street called The Bridle Path in Toronto.

Prince changed his name back not long before he married Manuela. The song was expressing how he loved hearing his name again and hearing Manuela say it.


Yup. That’s why I don’t get what Militant meant (?) Calling Militant!
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Reply #38 posted 09/04/19 5:21pm

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Old friends 4 sale


Ah. For certain. neutral Our Prince had to be so private. Smart man.
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Reply #39 posted 09/04/19 5:35pm

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"Until U're In My Arms Again."

I think it said everything he felt about the loss of his child.

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Reply #40 posted 09/04/19 5:35pm

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Old Friends 4 Sale (1985)

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Leaving 4 New York (1977)

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Computer Blue (1984) 14min version

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Purple Music (1982)

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Reply #41 posted 09/04/19 6:11pm

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TheTruth123 said:

“But it let me know that my name had never really been spoken before
Before the day I carried you through the Bridle Path door”

Remember, Prince and Manuela lived on a street called The Bridle Path in Toronto.



Bridle, bridal. Sounds the same. Either way, he meant "married" to or loved the woman.

Just a point I thought of, at the end of the song, it's as if he's introducing himself, "Prince" or, "I'm Prince, by the way".
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Reply #42 posted 09/04/19 6:13pm

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Militant said:



wildgoldenhoney said:


I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore It sounded like it was a final goodbye or an acceptance that his wishing for a future with Denise was over. He moved on with his hopes and dreams.




You mean Mayte.



Nope. If I'm not mistaken, Mayte said that the song wasn't about their relationship (even though she is the one he got the idea for the song from.) It probably perfectly described what he was trying to say about Denice.
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Reply #43 posted 09/04/19 6:33pm

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Mama (1984)

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Father's Song (1984) expressing a lot without even talking

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Reply #44 posted 09/04/19 6:47pm

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TheTruth123 said:

Militant said:



wildgoldenhoney said:


Call My Name I feel this song is about him meeting someone who treats him like a regular person instead of a celebrity. And it's been a long time that someone saw him that way that it wasn't familiar to him anymore. Especially not after years of people in his life that only wanted something from him. Now he's able to just be himself. [Edited 9/2/19 21:14pm]



100% this.



The pro-shot footage of this from the Piano & A Microphone gala makes this blindingly obvious. He gets emotional and starts shaking his head from side to side during it. He missed her sad



Missed Manuela, for whom he wrote it? I dooooon’t thiiink so.



Yup, it's not Manuela.
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Reply #45 posted 09/04/19 6:49pm

TheTruth123

wildgoldenhoney said:

Militant said:



wildgoldenhoney said:


I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore It sounded like it was a final goodbye or an acceptance that his wishing for a future with Denise was over. He moved on with his hopes and dreams.




You mean Mayte.



Nope. If I'm not mistaken, Mayte said that the song wasn't about their relationship (even though she is the one he got the idea for the song from.) It probably perfectly described what he was trying to say about Denice.


I haven’t finished Mayte’s book, but a friend told me that she said in it that she was very hurt by that song.
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Reply #46 posted 09/04/19 6:57pm

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violetcrush said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore

It sounded like it was a final goodbye or an acceptance that his wishing for a future with Denise was over. He moved on with his hopes and dreams.


That song is not about Denise. Their relationship ended many many years prior to him writing the song. Although, it’s interesting because during the last P&M show he sang this song and after the lyric “I remember meeting you here in the good old days” he then said, “the 80’s”. The song says “what happened to the ring I gave you”, and the only woman he gave a ring to in the 80’s was Susannah. So, I thought that was interesting. Even if the song was not originally about her it seemed to be connected to her that night.


Just because he mentioned a ring, doesn't mean he actually have one. Just as in 'Stay Cool (?)' he said that she broke all the rules and took her top off in his pool. Did she really take too off or is the main point that he loved her when if she's not like he expected, that she just breaks his personal rules? Didn't mean that she actually took her top off also... in the song he said not to worry about the Candy Girl (or arm candy). Another main point in that song besides her breaking all his rules.

Or in "When she Comes"

A blue bed of roses, she never closes her eyes
For his artful technique deserves a peek
Call it sublime, 'cause it happens

To me the significant line is that she never closes her eyes (not necessarily during love making), in other words she's aware.

I don't know, maybe it's just the way I interpret it...
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Reply #47 posted 09/04/19 6:59pm

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TheTruth123 said:

wildgoldenhoney said:



Nope. If I'm not mistaken, Mayte said that the song wasn't about their relationship (even though she is the one he got the idea for the song from.) It probably perfectly described what he was trying to say about Denice.


I haven’t finished Mayte’s book, but a friend told me that she said in it that she was very hurt by that song.


Hmm i just read in one of the threads the other day about Matey saying it wasn't about them. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Reply #48 posted 09/04/19 7:18pm

Mikado

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“But it let me know that my name had never really been spoken before Before the day I carried you through the Bridle Path door” Remember, Prince and Manuela lived on a street called The Bridle Path in Toronto.


Wouldn't it be more like Manuella carrying Prince through the Bridle Path door? She was from Toronto right?

A certain kind of mellow.
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Reply #49 posted 09/04/19 7:20pm

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Is his whole life influenced by women he was in a relationship with?


Like all humans, he had so many avenues of his soul. Why do the song discussions always come down to another battle of the women?

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Reply #50 posted 09/04/19 7:34pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



Is his whole life influenced by women he was in a relationship with?


Like all humans, he had so many avenues of his soul. Why do the song discussions always come down to another battle of the women?



I think it's because i brought up a love song that must be attached to a love interest.
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Reply #51 posted 09/04/19 9:47pm

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Telling of what? That’s the most vague question I’ve ever heard.
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Reply #52 posted 09/04/19 11:44pm

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Found this in a thread from 3 years ago, I must've blocked stuff out because I don't remember writing these comments. I know Creep isn't one of his songs but he sang it.

*--Well in 'Creep' he said that she (then also he said 'we') don't belong here. Here as in the state of self hate or self loathing. Not a physical place, but a state of being or state of mind.

*And**

forget which song on AOA but the being 'separated from himself' line was about disassociation. Maybe because of all the traumas he had gone through growing up he lived his life as if he was looking at himself from the outside or separate from his consciousness. But later in his life because he was strong enough now, he was able to 'come back into his own body' and realize that he was living disassociatedly.

But that introspection was about him dealing with his pain and traumas.o he may have been talking about that or some other state of mind.
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Reply #53 posted 09/05/19 12:17am

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wildgoldenhoney said:

Found this in a thread from 3 years ago, I must've blocked stuff out because I don't remember writing these comments. I know Creep isn't one of his songs but he sang it. *--Well in 'Creep' he said that she (then also he said 'we') don't belong here. Here as in the state of self hate or self loathing. Not a physical place, but a state of being or state of mind. *And** forget which song on AOA but the being 'separated from himself' line was about disassociation. Maybe because of all the traumas he had gone through growing up he lived his life as if he was looking at himself from the outside or separate from his consciousness. But later in his life because he was strong enough now, he was able to 'come back into his own body' and realize that he was living disassociatedly. But that introspection was about him dealing with his pain and traumas.o he may have been talking about that or some other state of mind.


Actually, that "separated from yourself" is from Affirmation III.

"You’ve probably felt for many years in your former life, that you were separate from not only others , but even yourself. Now you can see that was never the case. You are actually everything and anything that you can think of. All of it is you."

This is an Eastern teaching, very spiritual. It's a Buddhist teaching about Non-attachment.

"When we reject the illusion that we have a “self” that exists separately and independently from other people and phenomena, we suddenly recognize that there is no need to detach, because we have always been interconnected with all things at all times."

When we fail to recognize that interconnectedness, then we can also feel "like a stranger in our own life", somehow separate from ourselves. When we feel that separateness within ourselves, we don't see ourselves as life happening, but rather we see it as life happening to us. We don't look at our hand and say "That is me", instead it's almost as though we see that as seperate from the self, "That's my hand". In actuality, hand is merely what we've agreed to call that as a form of identification, but it's not "my hand" it is "me".

But as you can see from what was said in Affirmation III and the quoted description about Non-Attachment, it's almost identical in nature.

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Reply #54 posted 09/05/19 1:27am

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Reply #55 posted 09/05/19 8:12am

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Telling of what? That’s the most vague question I’ve ever heard.

Songs that tell what you really feel in the pit of your soul, without all the BS and the front you put up when you are around others. He almost never explained his lyrics, so I think he could say things in them that he would never say otherwise.

You know, how people write crap on social media that they would never say in person.

At least, that is what I meant by the phrase. yes

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Reply #56 posted 09/05/19 6:27pm

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benni said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Found this in a thread from 3 years ago, I must've blocked stuff out because I don't remember writing these comments. I know Creep isn't one of his songs but he sang it. *--Well in 'Creep' he said that she (then also he said 'we') don't belong here. Here as in the state of self hate or self loathing. Not a physical place, but a state of being or state of mind. *And** forget which song on AOA but the being 'separated from himself' line was about disassociation. Maybe because of all the traumas he had gone through growing up he lived his life as if he was looking at himself from the outside or separate from his consciousness. But later in his life because he was strong enough now, he was able to 'come back into his own body' and realize that he was living disassociatedly. But that introspection was about him dealing with his pain and traumas.o he may have been talking about that or some other state of mind.


Actually, that "separated from yourself" is from Affirmation III.

"You’ve probably felt for many years in your former life, that you were separate from not only others , but even yourself. Now you can see that was never the case. You are actually everything and anything that you can think of. All of it is you."

This is an Eastern teaching, very spiritual. It's a Buddhist teaching about Non-attachment.

"When we reject the illusion that we have a “self” that exists separately and independently from other people and phenomena, we suddenly recognize that there is no need to detach, because we have always been interconnected with all things at all times."

When we fail to recognize that interconnectedness, then we can also feel "like a stranger in our own life", somehow separate from ourselves. When we feel that separateness within ourselves, we don't see ourselves as life happening, but rather we see it as life happening to us. We don't look at our hand and say "That is me", instead it's almost as though we see that as seperate from the self, "That's my hand". In actuality, hand is merely what we've agreed to call that as a form of identification, but it's not "my hand" it is "me".

But as you can see from what was said in Affirmation III and the quoted description about Non-Attachment, it's almost identical in nature.

Thank you for your input! I get where you are coming from and that theme also runs through the affirmations.

But I may have been thinking about the album's concept as a whole and Afirmation 3 as being part of my reason for concluding that he is speaking about disassociation and being caught up in the way of the world.

AOA is about the artificial times or fakeness and not being real. In 'Clouds' he's waking up from being in suspended animation for 45 years because of medication given him. Around the time this album came out he was around 55 but maybe at the time of writing he may have been 54, 53 so he was probably 10 or 11 when this 'subconscious break' happened. Usually a person does that to protect theirself from the hurt they experience at a tender age and cannot handle it. But at a later time in life when they are stronger and are able to handle emotional issues, the mind allows them to come outside of that protective mental wall or barrier and deal with the hurt.

BREAKDOWN

He has regrets about how he lived his life and maybe not realizing his self destructive behavior.

AFFIRMATION 1 & 2

Given by a clinically sounding voice that urges him to induce affirmations into his mind, thus changing his thinking and behavior.

AFFIRMATION 3

Again, the clinical voice is still recommending planned affirmation therapy.

WAY BACK HOME

Close to the end of the album, he's reiterating his regrets but after affirmations, he's on his way back to being himself and not what other people want or expect of him or requires of him for their own selfish gain or attention. He feels he doesn't belong in that 'fake' life because he's a spiritual person but he's there because he got caught up in the 'Conquer with no fear' could be an affirmation. He was born 'alive' whereas most people are really dead inside because of lack of love. But he has found the path back to

Most people in this world are born dead but he was born alive. It seems 'spiritually alive'. But he had found the path back to happiness because he can now 'see'.

Or something like that...

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Reply #57 posted 09/05/19 10:25pm

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this comes to mind....
Check, check, 1 2, check
you know what he's sayin'?
Face down! [Repeat: x2]
Somebody once told him that he wouldn't take Prince through the ringer
Let him go down as a washed up singer
Ain't that a bitch?
Thinkin' all along that he wanted to be rich
Never respected the root of all evil and he still don't to this day, huh
Bury him face down, let the motherfuckers kiss a ass, OK?
Face down! [Repeat: x2]
Told 'em he wanted to sing a song about a black child goin' buck wild
And they just laughed in his face
Talk to your lawyer but you got no case
What you need to do is keep your place
Next time you pull a card, it better be a ace motherfucker
Or you can lay face down (Face down!)
1 2
Face down! 1 2
Horn [Repeat: x2]
Bass [Repeat: x2]
Him and her meaning who I'm singin' about
And his psychoanalyst kinda saw the catalyst
As the devil with the blue jeans on, huh
Ain't it kinda funny when you see the dawn?
Sign the name they gave ya
But when them motherfuckers turn around ass up, you're what?
Face down! 1 2
Face down! New Power Generation in the house, bury 'em all
Face down! Yes, oh Lord
Face down!
Orchestra [Repeat: x3]
Face down!
Orchestra
Face down!
It's in his will, I read it
He shot to kill, he said it
for those who know the number and don't call
Hmph, fuck all y'all
Face down! [Repeat: x53
Hello God,
within this loveletter

[Edited 9/5/19 22:28pm]

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Reply #58 posted 09/06/19 2:56pm

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this comes to mind....
Check, check, 1 2, check
you know what he's sayin'?
Face down! [Repeat: x2]
Somebody once told him that he wouldn't take Prince through the ringer
Let him go down as a washed up singer
Ain't that a bitch?
Thinkin' all along that he wanted to be rich
Never respected the root of all evil and he still don't to this day, huh
Bury him face down, let the motherfuckers kiss a ass, OK?
Face down! [Repeat: x2]
Told 'em he wanted to sing a song about a black child goin' buck wild
And they just laughed in his face
Talk to your lawyer but you got no case
What you need to do is keep your place
Next time you pull a card, it better be a ace motherfucker
Or you can lay face down (Face down!)
1 2
Face down! 1 2
Horn [Repeat: x2]
Bass [Repeat: x2]
Him and her meaning who I'm singin' about
And his psychoanalyst kinda saw the catalyst
As the devil with the blue jeans on, huh
Ain't it kinda funny when you see the dawn?
Sign the name they gave ya
But when them motherfuckers turn around ass up, you're what?
Face down! 1 2
Face down! New Power Generation in the house, bury 'em all
Face down! Yes, oh Lord
Face down!
Orchestra [Repeat: x3]
Face down!
Orchestra
Face down!
It's in his will, I read it
He shot to kill, he said it
for those who know the number and don't call
Hmph, fuck all y'all
Face down! [Repeat: x53
Hello God,
within this loveletter

[Edited 9/5/19 22:28pm]

Oh yeah, another great one! P sang stuff that your mamma would have given you the switch for. Such a freeing experience for the world. wildsign omg spank

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Reply #59 posted 09/06/19 6:17pm

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wildgoldenhoney said:

benni said:


Actually, that "separated from yourself" is from Affirmation III.

"You’ve probably felt for many years in your former life, that you were separate from not only others , but even yourself. Now you can see that was never the case. You are actually everything and anything that you can think of. All of it is you."

This is an Eastern teaching, very spiritual. It's a Buddhist teaching about Non-attachment.

"When we reject the illusion that we have a “self” that exists separately and independently from other people and phenomena, we suddenly recognize that there is no need to detach, because we have always been interconnected with all things at all times."

When we fail to recognize that interconnectedness, then we can also feel "like a stranger in our own life", somehow separate from ourselves. When we feel that separateness within ourselves, we don't see ourselves as life happening, but rather we see it as life happening to us. We don't look at our hand and say "That is me", instead it's almost as though we see that as seperate from the self, "That's my hand". In actuality, hand is merely what we've agreed to call that as a form of identification, but it's not "my hand" it is "me".

But as you can see from what was said in Affirmation III and the quoted description about Non-Attachment, it's almost identical in nature.

Thank you for your input! I get where you are coming from and that theme also runs through the affirmations.

But I may have been thinking about the album's concept as a whole and Afirmation 3 as being part of my reason for concluding that he is speaking about disassociation and being caught up in the way of the world.

AOA is about the artificial times or fakeness and not being real. In 'Clouds' he's waking up from being in suspended animation for 45 years because of medication given him. Around the time this album came out he was around 55 but maybe at the time of writing he may have been 54, 53 so he was probably 10 or 11 when this 'subconscious break' happened. Usually a person does that to protect theirself from the hurt they experience at a tender age and cannot handle it. But at a later time in life when they are stronger and are able to handle emotional issues, the mind allows them to come outside of that protective mental wall or barrier and deal with the hurt.

BREAKDOWN

He has regrets about how he lived his life and maybe not realizing his self destructive behavior.

AFFIRMATION 1 & 2

Given by a clinically sounding voice that urges him to induce affirmations into his mind, thus changing his thinking and behavior.

AFFIRMATION 3

Again, the clinical voice is still recommending planned affirmation therapy.

WAY BACK HOME

Close to the end of the album, he's reiterating his regrets but after affirmations, he's on his way back to being himself and not what other people want or expect of him or requires of him for their own selfish gain or attention. He feels he doesn't belong in that 'fake' life because he's a spiritual person but he's there because he got caught up in the 'Conquer with no fear' could be an affirmation. He was born 'alive' whereas most people are really dead inside because of lack of love. But he has found the path back to

Most people in this world are born dead but he was born alive. It seems 'spiritually alive'. But he had found the path back to happiness because he can now 'see'.

Or something like that...



The wonderful thing about Prince is that Prince never really told anyone what his songs meant and would let the listener interpret them in the way that made sense to the listener. I've interpreted AOA in a much different way. As his LA Engineer, Peggy McCreary, said, “He always knew who he was. Everybody else just needed to figure it out.”

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