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Reply #60 posted 04/28/19 5:22am

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EmmaMcG said:

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Be that as it may, it was still a way for P to save face and say he contributed after no-showing the session.

As for WATW itself, I appreciate it for bringing awareness to the starvation going on in Africa. That and being the historical gathering of stars it was. Hasn't been seen before or since.


It was seen before. You ever hear of Band Aid? U2, George Michael, The Police, Bob Geldof, Boy George, Kool and The Gang, Duran Duran and more. Plus, it's also been done many times since. Band Aid 2. Band Aid 20. Band Aid 30. We Are The World was neither the first nor the last.
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Touche. However...

The overall star power of the artists in WATW was on another level than Band Aid. Popular as that mostly British ensemble was, collectively, they weren't as big as their American counterpart which was composed of several world class and well-traveled names, some of which have been in the business for decades at that point (Ray Charles, Stevie, Tina, Billy Joel, Diana, Dylan, Willie Nelson, etc.).

Not to mention this was done when most of these stars were at the peak of their popularity. Many of the older names were also experiencing a career resurgence or were still riding high, charting alongside the younger talent and being considered legends at that stage of their careers (such as most of the above mentioned names). I don't know much about the subsequent Band Aids but I doubt even the biggest name involved could compare to the biggest name in the original.

I guess I'm moving the goal posts a little but you catch my drift?
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Reply #61 posted 04/28/19 6:34am

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MotownSubdivision said:

EmmaMcG said:



It was seen before. You ever hear of Band Aid? U2, George Michael, The Police, Bob Geldof, Boy George, Kool and The Gang, Duran Duran and more. Plus, it's also been done many times since. Band Aid 2. Band Aid 20. Band Aid 30. We Are The World was neither the first nor the last.
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Touche. However...

The overall star power of the artists in WATW was on another level than Band Aid. Popular as that mostly British ensemble was, collectively, they weren't as big as their American counterpart which was composed of several world class and well-traveled names, some of which have been in the business for decades at that point (Ray Charles, Stevie, Tina, Billy Joel, Diana, Dylan, Willie Nelson, etc.).

Not to mention this was done when most of these stars were at the peak of their popularity. Many of the older names were also experiencing a career resurgence or were still riding high, charting alongside the younger talent and being considered legends at that stage of their careers (such as most of the above mentioned names). I don't know much about the subsequent Band Aids but I doubt even the biggest name involved could compare to the biggest name in the original.

I guess I'm moving the goal posts a little but you catch my drift?
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No, I know what you mean. The later Band Aids were full of the likes of Coldplay, One Direction, Rita Ora and Ed Sheeran. I wouldn't personally put them anywhere near the level of the guys in the original or the We Are The World thing. Well, Bono and Paul McCartney were involved as well but I don't rate McCartney and Bono is the kind of man who'd go to the opening of an envelope so his inclusion doesn't mean much. Although I suppose the argument could be made that the likes of U2, George Michael, Duran Duran etc were, at the time, more popular than the American artists you mentioned. Popularity and record sales do not equal quality, I know, but they did help raise awareness. Now, personally, I hate both songs. So whichever people prefer makes no difference to me. I was merely seeking to be a smartarse by pointing out that WATW was not an original idea. biggrin
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Reply #62 posted 04/28/19 10:44am

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EmmaMcG said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Touche. However...

The overall star power of the artists in WATW was on another level than Band Aid. Popular as that mostly British ensemble was, collectively, they weren't as big as their American counterpart which was composed of several world class and well-traveled names, some of which have been in the business for decades at that point (Ray Charles, Stevie, Tina, Billy Joel, Diana, Dylan, Willie Nelson, etc.).

Not to mention this was done when most of these stars were at the peak of their popularity. Many of the older names were also experiencing a career resurgence or were still riding high, charting alongside the younger talent and being considered legends at that stage of their careers (such as most of the above mentioned names). I don't know much about the subsequent Band Aids but I doubt even the biggest name involved could compare to the biggest name in the original.

I guess I'm moving the goal posts a little but you catch my drift?
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No, I know what you mean. The later Band Aids were full of the likes of Coldplay, One Direction, Rita Ora and Ed Sheeran. I wouldn't personally put them anywhere near the level of the guys in the original or the We Are The World thing. Well, Bono and Paul McCartney were involved as well but I don't rate McCartney and Bono is the kind of man who'd go to the opening of an envelope so his inclusion doesn't mean much. Although I suppose the argument could be made that the likes of U2, George Michael, Duran Duran etc were, at the time, more popular than the American artists you mentioned. Popularity and record sales do not equal quality, I know, but they did help raise awareness. Now, personally, I hate both songs. So whichever people prefer makes no difference to me. I was merely seeking to be a smartarse by pointing out that WATW was not an original idea. biggrin
Fair enough. I had to edit my post a few times because I reread yours and was like "Ya know... she's kinda right". I actually forgot about Band Aid razz

At least their song fits into the Christmas season; I like hearing it over the building speakers when I'm out and about. I don't hate WATW like so many on here do, I don't even dislike it but outside of the documentary research purposes, I'm not bumping that song. Strip away the amazing all-star cast and it's just a charity single at the end of the day. I will say that in addition to the insurmountable star power, WATW had a very eclectic mix of artists and put them all together in the best possible way. It's almost unrealistic how organized a song with such a diverse collection of vocalists was possible.

Duran Duran were definitely hotter than many of the legends. George/Wham! I would agree with as well to a slightly lesser extent. U2, however, was still on the rise. Over here in the States, they were making waves but the superstardom wasn't for another few years. Out of all the legends though, Tina was the most comparable to the young guns in terms of popularity. Shoot, they treated her more like a hot new artist exploding on the scene than a veteran returning to the limelight from what I saw.

Stevie probably would be a close second followed by Billy. All the others were grizzled, respected vets whose reputations spoke louder than whatever present-day success they were experiencing.
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Reply #63 posted 04/28/19 10:50am

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Touche. However... The overall star power of the artists in WATW was on another level than Band Aid.

What about Sun City which had veteran & then newer current acts like Miles Davis, Ringo Starr, Ruben Blades, Herbie Hancock, Bob Dylan, Gil Scott Heron, Charlie Wilson, Fat Boys, Pat Benatar, Run DMC, Bobby Womack, Jimmy Cliff, Bruce Springsteen, David Ruffin, Hall & Oates, Peter Gabriel, and many others. There's Eddie Murphy's Yeah song which also had a lot of famous singers and maybe Donna Summer's State Of Independence. Probably one of the first of this kind of thing was George Harrison's Bangladesh concert in the early 1970s.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #64 posted 04/30/19 6:27pm

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he wrote a bio?

No, but there is a book about him. I read it years ago.

https://i3.wp.com/ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51s4%2BaNVv2L.jpg

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Reply #65 posted 04/30/19 7:36pm

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cool, never heard of it.thanks.

MickyDolenz said:

PeteSilas said:

he wrote a bio?

No, but there is a book about him. I read it years ago.

https://i3.wp.com/ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51s4%2BaNVv2L.jpg

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Reply #66 posted 05/01/19 4:50am

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I think it was American Music Awards when Lionel Ritchie thought Prince and his bodyguard was very 'outrageous' when Prince accept award and didn't say that much during the first award accepted just said Thank you and walked off the stage left the presenters somewhat bemused, and when Prince won another award he bought up the Revolution and Wendy did the speech and they left again and that when the camera also show Smokey Robinson's puzzled face lol.

Still get the giggles when I see the video on Youtube. But glad Lionel still show respect toward Prince even though they rarely crossed paths.

Lionel thought everything was "outrageous" that night. He used the word constantly--it was a joke for weeks afterward (there was no internet... things lasted longer back then). lol

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Reply #67 posted 05/01/19 5:26am

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MickyDolenz said:



MotownSubdivision said:


Touche. However... The overall star power of the artists in WATW was on another level than Band Aid.

What about Sun City which had veteran & then newer current acts like Miles Davis, Ringo Starr, Ruben Blades, Herbie Hancock, Bob Dylan, Gil Scott Heron, Charlie Wilson, Fat Boys, Pat Benatar, Run DMC, Bobby Womack, Jimmy Cliff, Bruce Springsteen, David Ruffin, Hall & Oates, Peter Gabriel, and many others. There's Eddie Murphy's Yeah song which also had a lot of famous singers and maybe Donna Summer's State Of Independence. Probably one of the first of this kind of thing was George Harrison's Bangladesh concert in the early 1970s.

The star power of Artists United Against Apartheid was greater than Band Aid but less USA for Africa, I'd say.
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Reply #68 posted 05/03/19 2:16pm

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I think Prince said he would have been really nervous around all those arists at WATW because he respected them so much. I take him at his word for that. He proably just would have felt uncomfortable doing it. I know we were all hoping he would do it at the time. "For The Tears In Your Eyes" was done for the WATW album. We were also hoping to see Prince at Live Aid, but they just premiered the video "For the Tears In Your Eyes" during the broadcast.

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Reply #69 posted 05/03/19 3:13pm

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could be, i didn't buy it at the time and thought it was an excuse when he said that but now, after hearing of his social anxiety issues, it could be.

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Reply #70 posted 05/04/19 12:31am

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Now it makes even more sense that the response song to the whole ordeal is titled, "Hello".

"Whatever skin Ur in
we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #71 posted 05/04/19 11:19am

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ladygirl99 said:



MotownSubdivision said:


PeteSilas said:


he's one of the nicer people in the business too, after Prince died, Lionel was interviewed on it, some people here said some insulting things about Lionel, I was surprised, who could dislike Lionel?



Many people paint Lionel as a sellout because he made AC/AC-oriented music and ballads, a notion I've always disagreed with. Not saying that I'm in love with all of his slower songs but the man is one of the most versatile artists out there. I defy anyone to give a list of artists with a voice that's compatible with funk, R&B, pop, AC, country and reggae. L was a great songwriter as well and knew his way round the keys and IIRC could also play the trumpet (or was it six? Both?). Lionel is without a doubt a one of a kind talent and a legend. He helped to make the 80's the 80's (Can't Slow Down is a quintessential album of that decade and his solo debut is an overlooked gem) and in general, is just a likable dude. Cheating on his wife aside, L just always came off as your chill, upbeat uncle who at worst, could be a little cheesy but was smoooooth and charismatic all the same.



Yeah funk was phrasing out in the mid-80s and Lionel had to do something and to basically revent himself and to live in lavish life. So he show his diversity music talent to the world that helped him stay revelant for many years. What is crazy is that people called Lionel sellout back then just because he wanted to do music beyond funk/R&B but yeah many R&B and rappers are begging to sell out nowadays especially the minute they want to be in the industry from Cardi B to Chance the Rapper and Travis Scott they are going into mainstream movies and using their songs in mainstream commerical. Crossover is where the dollars it always been.

Yeah I always hated how people are so fast to cry "Sellout!" because an artist doesn't stay in one lane musically or seeks to make their music more accessible. There are sellouts in the music world but Lionel is not one of them (neither is Phil Collins who received/receives the same sort of BS in the rock world).
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Reply #72 posted 05/04/19 12:25pm

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Now it makes even more sense that the response song to the whole ordeal is titled, "Hello".


I never made that association, but who knows right? It is surely interesting to think about.

I always thought the Hello title was a more polite way of saying "are you fn kidding me? I wrote a song for the cause"!

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Reply #73 posted 05/04/19 1:44pm

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MotownSubdivision said:

ladygirl99 said:

Yeah funk was phrasing out in the mid-80s and Lionel had to do something and to basically revent himself and to live in lavish life. So he show his diversity music talent to the world that helped him stay revelant for many years. What is crazy is that people called Lionel sellout back then just because he wanted to do music beyond funk/R&B but yeah many R&B and rappers are begging to sell out nowadays especially the minute they want to be in the industry from Cardi B to Chance the Rapper and Travis Scott they are going into mainstream movies and using their songs in mainstream commerical. Crossover is where the dollars it always been.

Yeah I always hated how people are so fast to cry "Sellout!" because an artist doesn't stay in one lane musically or seeks to make their music more accessible. There are sellouts in the music world but Lionel is not one of them (neither is Phil Collins who received/receives the same sort of BS in the rock world).

i was surprised that phil collins had some hate, i heard it made him suicidal too. fuck those people.

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Reply #74 posted 05/04/19 2:40pm

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PeteSilas said:

MotownSubdivision said:

ladygirl99 said: Yeah I always hated how people are so fast to cry "Sellout!" because an artist doesn't stay in one lane musically or seeks to make their music more accessible. There are sellouts in the music world but Lionel is not one of them (neither is Phil Collins who received/receives the same sort of BS in the rock world).

i was surprised that phil collins had some hate, i heard it made him suicidal too. fuck those people.

Phil Collins has the most SOULFUL tenor voice I ever heard.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #75 posted 05/04/19 3:40pm

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PeteSilas said:

i was surprised that phil collins had some hate, i heard it made him suicidal too. fuck those people.

Phil Collins has the most SOULFUL tenor voice I ever heard.

hate and these guys don't go together, lionel in particular is about the most balanced, nice person you could find, it's why i hated those meaner interviews about his getting his ass kicked. they'd be talking down to him "now lionel, it was more than tabloid trash" like a little kid and lionel had nothing to fight back with, not a mean bone in his body.

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PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Phil Collins has the most SOULFUL tenor voice I ever heard.

hate and these guys don't go together, lionel in particular is about the most balanced, nice person you could find, it's why i hated those meaner interviews about his getting his ass kicked. they'd be talking down to him "now lionel, it was more than tabloid trash" like a little kid and lionel had nothing to fight back with, not a mean bone in his body.

What was he going to fight over? He was caught red handed.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #77 posted 05/04/19 6:47pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:



PeteSilas said:




ChocolateBox3121 said:



Phil Collins has the most SOULFUL tenor voice I ever heard.



hate and these guys don't go together, lionel in particular is about the most balanced, nice person you could find, it's why i hated those meaner interviews about his getting his ass kicked. they'd be talking down to him "now lionel, it was more than tabloid trash" like a little kid and lionel had nothing to fight back with, not a mean bone in his body.



What was he going to fight over? He was caught red handed.


So what that's his business and I don't like how journalists talk down to black people.
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Reply #78 posted 05/04/19 8:18pm

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PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

What was he going to fight over? He was caught red handed.

So what that's his business and I don't like how journalists talk down to black people.

rolleyes

Black people have been talked down by worse than a little tabloid journalist..

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #79 posted 05/04/19 9:34pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said: So what that's his business and I don't like how journalists talk down to black people.

rolleyes

Black people have been talked down by worse than a little tabloid journalist..

it wasn't a tabloid journalist, it was one of the more "respectable" news shows like 20/20 but I can't remember for sure and i never could find it. either way, lionel was being grilled and i just think it's rude and it happened to mj too with bashir, guys like that don't have it in them to kick the journalist the fuck out. I did see an athlete being grilled the same way one time, the journalist leaned in like they were trying to intimidate the guy, the guy, a football player who was arrogant as fuck just leaned right back at her and repeated the answer which he had already given. It's not just black people that happens to of course but it seems to happen more often. journalists are vultures. The smart people, i'm sure, stipulate beforehand what is off the table for questioning. Eddie Murphy has never been questioned or sabotaged about the t-girls and I'm sure that's no accident.

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Reply #80 posted 05/04/19 10:29pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

rolleyes

Black people have been talked down by worse than a little tabloid journalist..

it wasn't a tabloid journalist, it was one of the more "respectable" news shows like 20/20 but I can't remember for sure and i never could find it. either way, lionel was being grilled and i just think it's rude and it happened to mj too with bashir, guys like that don't have it in them to kick the journalist the fuck out. I did see an athlete being grilled the same way one time, the journalist leaned in like they were trying to intimidate the guy, the guy, a football player who was arrogant as fuck just leaned right back at her and repeated the answer which he had already given. It's not just black people that happens to of course but it seems to happen more often. journalists are vultures. The smart people, i'm sure, stipulate beforehand what is off the table for questioning. Eddie Murphy has never been questioned or sabotaged about the t-girls and I'm sure that's no accident.

Eddie(whom I've worked with) doesn't have or use a computer & he doesn't have ANY social media accounts.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #81 posted 05/04/19 10:48pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

it wasn't a tabloid journalist, it was one of the more "respectable" news shows like 20/20 but I can't remember for sure and i never could find it. either way, lionel was being grilled and i just think it's rude and it happened to mj too with bashir, guys like that don't have it in them to kick the journalist the fuck out. I did see an athlete being grilled the same way one time, the journalist leaned in like they were trying to intimidate the guy, the guy, a football player who was arrogant as fuck just leaned right back at her and repeated the answer which he had already given. It's not just black people that happens to of course but it seems to happen more often. journalists are vultures. The smart people, i'm sure, stipulate beforehand what is off the table for questioning. Eddie Murphy has never been questioned or sabotaged about the t-girls and I'm sure that's no accident.

Eddie(whom I've worked with) doesn't have or use a computer & he doesn't have ANY social media accounts.

he's never been asked in tv or print about it. that's my point, i've heard he also doesn't like computers around him, he has had some accounts that were 'OFFICIAL" or what have you but those could very easily be his publiscist or somethng.

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Reply #82 posted 05/05/19 9:22am

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Right now I'm reading the book Mike D & King Ad Rock from the Beastie Boys put out recently and there's a story indirectly about Lionel in it. Mike D said that when the group moved out to California in the late 1980s, he went to this car dealer that sold tricked out custom cars to celebrities named Randy. Randy told him that he sold cars to Lionel & Kenny Rogers and that Lionel & Kenny were fabulous and so were the cars he sold to them. There's a lot of funny stories in the book like the apartment Mike D & MCA shared in NYC at the beginning of their career and the time they met Bob Dylan at a party for Dolly Parton. They met Madonna before she got a record deal when she was performing in clubs.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #83 posted 05/17/19 6:12pm

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For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #84 posted 05/17/19 7:40pm

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MickyDolenz said:

I believe in divine guidance & divine intervention also. People on this site LIVE on what if's & shoulda, woulda.coulda. What's meant to happen will happen.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #85 posted 05/17/19 7:40pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

I love this story.

From Jimmy Kimmel Live:

lol Just saw this; thanks for posting.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #86 posted 05/17/19 8:01pm

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I never seen a Lionel Richie before

I like it when u DANCE 4 MEN!! Hallerlujah
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Reply #87 posted 05/17/19 9:25pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

What's meant to happen will happen.

So you're saying John Lennon was meant to get shot by Chapman? There's the "shoot me" at the beginning of Come Together and the song Happiness Is A Warm Gun.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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