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Reply #30 posted 03/20/19 10:19am

purplefam99

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lots of mis informations here

first of all Prince didnt have a chance 2 stretch during

the rehearsals because the guitar player who played the

first solo started playing the second solo in the spot where Prince was

supposed to play lead guitar.

After the rehearsal Prince told the organisators not to

worry and that everything will be ok.

Now regarding u wanting Prince to stay after the rnr

performance and share the spotlight????

what the f...? how could he stay there after

offering his heart on a plate?

That solo was far from best guitar solo by Prince but for sure he did invest

all his heart soul and balls.

And its not true that While My Guitar was a tribute to George only.it was

a tribute to George and Prince because both of them

got inducted at the same time.

Everything Prince did that night was perfect.

Up until 3min and 26 sec tribute to George was very boring

lame and basic and i bet Prince got pissed and he was thinking fuck it

and he gave his soul right there .have you notice the change of vibe and dynamics after Prince starts soloing??? not only did he kick ass but he made musicians who played backing for him to elevate their performance also .

so it was so natural 4 him to leave after he did take no prisoners aprouch.

[Edited 3/19/19 22:41pm]

i can see my way to your thinking. if your asking a person to pay "tribute" to a fellow inductee

then i assume that would mean a tad more than just playing backup. yes it was boring until prince

got in there. i recall watching for the first time and i was like, really, prince is playing in with this boring

mess, then he got it going thank goodness. i'm mixed, him staying would have been nice but totally out of character. Heck he dissappeared right after a many late night tv gig, didn't stay for "his" own applause so to think he would have stayed for someone elses tribute applause is kinda weird. the tirbute was for George so he let the applause be for George too. He kinda did the right thing, played the heck out of the song,sent the guitar up to heaven with george, left the stage, cue the huge photo of George Harrrison on the screen and

let the applause be for George. it could be viewed as a galant move.

[Edited 3/20/19 10:20am]

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Reply #31 posted 03/20/19 2:21pm

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I have the expanded rarhof disc set. It shows Prince backstage right after the performance and he is talking with one of the members of ZZTop and then leaves to go to a concert that he was already late to perform at.

That's a terrific detail. Thanks for sharing that. Although...I'm not sure Prince would agree he was "late" for a concert - ever. By now, of course, time didn't exist. biggrin

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Reply #32 posted 03/20/19 2:28pm

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thebanishedone said:

lots of mis informations here

first of all Prince didnt have a chance 2 stretch during

the rehearsals because the guitar player who played the

first solo started playing the second solo in the spot where Prince was

supposed to play lead guitar.

After the rehearsal Prince told the organisators not to

worry and that everything will be ok.

Now regarding u wanting Prince to stay after the rnr

performance and share the spotlight????

what the f...? how could he stay there after

offering his heart on a plate?

That solo was far from best guitar solo by Prince but for sure he did invest

all his heart soul and balls.

And its not true that While My Guitar was a tribute to George only.it was

a tribute to George and Prince because both of them

got inducted at the same time.

Everything Prince did that night was perfect.

Up until 3min and 26 sec tribute to George was very boring

lame and basic and i bet Prince got pissed and he was thinking fuck it

and he gave his soul right there .have you notice the change of vibe and dynamics after Prince starts soloing??? not only did he kick ass but he made musicians who played backing for him to elevate their performance also .

so it was so natural 4 him to leave after he did take no prisoners aprouch.

[Edited 3/19/19 22:41pm]

With respect, I disagree with your second point - obviously! - Another perspective might be that the song to Prince's entrance was simply the build to the crescendo they knew has was going to produce. Further, yes - share the spotlight; Prince was notoriously brilliant and sharing spotlight/pushing others to the fore when he should have been in the limelight himself - examples of his generosity of spirit (offset, yes, by a MASSIVE ego) are legion. I would also argue that the shared laughter between Prince and Tim Petty - probably - could have been Jeff Lynne, the camera angle suggests it could have been either, indicates that this was very much a collaborative affair and not really a no prisoners approach. A no prisoners approach would, I believe, have brought a whole different preformance and appearance on Prince's part. Anyhoo, that's my take. Thanks for joining in the conversation, though. It's great when we can have differeing opinions and discuss aspects of Prince's artistic output like this.

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Reply #33 posted 03/20/19 2:31pm

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purplefam99 said:

thebanishedone said:

lots of mis informations here

first of all Prince didnt have a chance 2 stretch during

the rehearsals because the guitar player who played the

first solo started playing the second solo in the spot where Prince was

supposed to play lead guitar.

After the rehearsal Prince told the organisators not to

worry and that everything will be ok.

Now regarding u wanting Prince to stay after the rnr

performance and share the spotlight????

what the f...? how could he stay there after

offering his heart on a plate?

That solo was far from best guitar solo by Prince but for sure he did invest

all his heart soul and balls.

And its not true that While My Guitar was a tribute to George only.it was

a tribute to George and Prince because both of them

got inducted at the same time.

Everything Prince did that night was perfect.

Up until 3min and 26 sec tribute to George was very boring

lame and basic and i bet Prince got pissed and he was thinking fuck it

and he gave his soul right there .have you notice the change of vibe and dynamics after Prince starts soloing??? not only did he kick ass but he made musicians who played backing for him to elevate their performance also .

so it was so natural 4 him to leave after he did take no prisoners aprouch.

[Edited 3/19/19 22:41pm]

i can see my way to your thinking. if your asking a person to pay "tribute" to a fellow inductee

then i assume that would mean a tad more than just playing backup. yes it was boring until prince

got in there. i recall watching for the first time and i was like, really, prince is playing in with this boring

mess, then he got it going thank goodness. i'm mixed, him staying would have been nice but totally out of character. Heck he dissappeared right after a many late night tv gig, didn't stay for "his" own applause so to think he would have stayed for someone elses tribute applause is kinda weird. the tirbute was for George so he let the applause be for George too. He kinda did the right thing, played the heck out of the song,sent the guitar up to heaven with george, left the stage, cue the huge photo of George Harrrison on the screen and

let the applause be for George. it could be viewed as a galant move.

[Edited 3/20/19 10:20am]

That's a great point about him not hanging around for his own applause, sometimes. And, to be clear, I do not mean he should have stayed, I mean to say I find is sad that he did not stay. A subtle difference that speaks to me more than to Prince. I just find it a shame that he did not stay on stage and enjoy the celebration of his performance with the rest of the players.

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Reply #34 posted 03/20/19 3:16pm

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Like many, I've watched that clip and admired the playing, the syncronicity between Prince and the others performing the song, etc...Over the last many watches, however, I've come to think how lovely it would have been for him to have remained on stage and share in the acclaim/response of the audience and the band. The shared glances between him and Tom Petty are delightful; how sweet it would have been to she them hug/exchange greetings at the end, Harrison's son and Lynne, too.

Anyhoo - obviously, that's not what Prince thought and all power, etc - who am I, and all that - and, I suppose, this thought has occurred because Prince is dead now and the significance - if that's the right word - of this performance has shifted somewhat.

Anyway, I just thought I come on here and share. If you'd like to join in the conversation, that would be lovely. If you'd like to ignore the conversation, that would be lovely.

that's not prince man, him doing that would have made people happy but it would have been phoney as fuck. He gave the best he could give and people always want more, just human nature.

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Reply #35 posted 03/20/19 3:17pm

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Genesia said:

Because by leaving the stage immediately, he was covered regardless of whether it went off well or not. If it wasn't well received, he wouldn't have prolonged the agony and would still have managed to add to his mystique. If he killed it (as he did), it would only make him a bigger badass.

In other words, it was just Prince being the best Prince he could be in any given situation.

nod

In a way it was also him getting back at that Rolling Stones audience in 1981, and more generally the rock audiences that hated his guts in the 80's and 90's. Now he was a true rock legend among other rock legends, paying homage to a Beatle, and screw the haters. That and the Superbowl performance as well.

Not saying he necessarily thought of it explicitely, or that he did those performances with that in mind, but to me it was kind of a subtext to those 2 performances (which in themselves are both something of an oddity in his career).

or as morris hayes paraphrased "we can do them but they can't do us"-prince, post grammy show.

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Reply #36 posted 03/20/19 3:53pm

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PeteSilas said:

SimonCharles said:

Like many, I've watched that clip and admired the playing, the syncronicity between Prince and the others performing the song, etc...Over the last many watches, however, I've come to think how lovely it would have been for him to have remained on stage and share in the acclaim/response of the audience and the band. The shared glances between him and Tom Petty are delightful; how sweet it would have been to she them hug/exchange greetings at the end, Harrison's son and Lynne, too.

Anyhoo - obviously, that's not what Prince thought and all power, etc - who am I, and all that - and, I suppose, this thought has occurred because Prince is dead now and the significance - if that's the right word - of this performance has shifted somewhat.

Anyway, I just thought I come on here and share. If you'd like to join in the conversation, that would be lovely. If you'd like to ignore the conversation, that would be lovely.

that's not prince man, him doing that would have made people happy but it would have been phoney as fuck. He gave the best he could give and people always want more, just human nature.

I don't know about phoney - he agreed to perform alongside them, for a start, there must have been something authentic about the performance in that regard. That and the fact there would have been mutual respect between him and Tom Petty/Jeff Lynne - and Prince's own regard for George Harrison. It may simply be the romantic in me, and the fact that with him dead now moments like this will not repeat, so seeing him engage with other musicians and enjoy the acclaim and share the joy of the music is something I would have liked to have seen.

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Reply #37 posted 03/20/19 3:55pm

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That would be akin to him staying fpr the sax fade out goodbye on the times he was on SNL

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #38 posted 03/20/19 3:55pm

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PeteSilas said:

databank said:

nod

In a way it was also him getting back at that Rolling Stones audience in 1981, and more generally the rock audiences that hated his guts in the 80's and 90's. Now he was a true rock legend among other rock legends, paying homage to a Beatle, and screw the haters. That and the Superbowl performance as well.

Not saying he necessarily thought of it explicitely, or that he did those performances with that in mind, but to me it was kind of a subtext to those 2 performances (which in themselves are both something of an oddity in his career).

or as morris hayes paraphrased "we can do them but they can't do us"-prince, post grammy show.

It's a thought. I would have thought Prince would have been comfortable enough in himself to not worry about that - whilst acknowledging both your comment about it being subconscious and that fact he was a man possessed with an ego to spare - by Musicology, though, he felt more open, more at ease...I don't know. It may also be the fact that retrospectively this is a piece he is gaining recognition from and for - perhaps that's rose-tinted my watching of it too.

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Reply #39 posted 03/20/19 6:43pm

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Alan Leeds commented about Prince's choice to leave the stage the way he did.

I remember two thoughts that stood out to me. He was disappointed Prince could not have been more of a 'team player' that day. He thought Prince should have stayed and shaken hands etc. I think Alan felt Prince made the song more about him than about George. The song was to be a posthumous tribute to George.

The other comment was that he felt that though Prince had won every award possible, he still often felt like an outsider.

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Reply #40 posted 03/20/19 7:23pm

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thebanishedone said:

lots of mis informations here


first of all Prince didnt have a chance 2 stretch during


the rehearsals because the guitar player who played the


first solo started playing the second solo in the spot where Prince was


supposed to play lead guitar.


After the rehearsal Prince told the organisators not to


worry and that everything will be ok.



Now regarding u wanting Prince to stay after the rnr


performance and share the spotlight????


what the f...? how could he stay there after


offering his heart on a plate?


That solo was far from best guitar solo by Prince but for sure he did invest


all his heart soul and balls.


And its not true that While My Guitar was a tribute to George only.it was


a tribute to George and Prince because both of them


got inducted at the same time.




NO.
It was a tribute intended ONLY to honor George Harrison, because he obviously couldn't play that night. Prince was honored as the biggest star that night by having the opening spot.

Everything else you're complaining about was already discussed. Maybe you should have read the entire thread.

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Reply #41 posted 03/20/19 7:54pm

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When I watch the video it seems as though they are keeping
Prince in shadow on purpose, to build mystique I assume,
The camera never really shows him in stage light. So by doing that
Seems they wanted him to be a highlight, so if that is the case
He behaved like a highlight and gave us highlight antics.
Why do you think they had him in shadow??
What message was that to convey?
Something I noticed and thought about while watching.
Is the interpretation different on the full length version someone mentioned having?
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Reply #42 posted 03/21/19 12:52am

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purplefam99 said:

When I watch the video it seems as though they are keeping Prince in shadow on purpose, to build mystique I assume, The camera never really shows him in stage light. So by doing that Seems they wanted him to be a highlight, so if that is the case He behaved like a highlight and gave us highlight antics. Why do you think they had him in shadow?? What message was that to convey? Something I noticed and thought about while watching. Is the interpretation different on the full length version someone mentioned having?

I don't know if that's the case or not, from what morris hayes said, prince told him that he showed up for rehearsals but really held everything back so they wouldn't know what was coming, probably better that way too, if you've ever been around envious musicians, they will sabotage you if they can.

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Reply #43 posted 03/21/19 12:56am

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SimonCharles said:

PeteSilas said:

that's not prince man, him doing that would have made people happy but it would have been phoney as fuck. He gave the best he could give and people always want more, just human nature.

I don't know about phoney - he agreed to perform alongside them, for a start, there must have been something authentic about the performance in that regard. That and the fact there would have been mutual respect between him and Tom Petty/Jeff Lynne - and Prince's own regard for George Harrison. It may simply be the romantic in me, and the fact that with him dead now moments like this will not repeat, so seeing him engage with other musicians and enjoy the acclaim and share the joy of the music is something I would have liked to have seen.

i think there was some story going around that prince said he never heard the song before rehearsing it or something, which sounds like something he would say, but that's just prince, just like his walking off, he did his thing. I dunno, i'm a musician, one thing that's always curious is how people always find something to criticize, and it's usually not the music, the way i see it, if i give you everything I got, i don't want to hear about anything else that might bother you. Human nature being what it is though, people will say i don't interact with the audience enough like other phoney musicians or i don't dress nice enough or something.

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Reply #44 posted 03/21/19 1:02am

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Alan Leeds commented about Prince's choice to leave the stage the way he did.

I remember two thoughts that stood out to me. He was disappointed Prince could not have been more of a 'team player' that day. He thought Prince should have stayed and shaken hands etc. I think Alan felt Prince made the song more about him than about George. The song was to be a posthumous tribute to George.

The other comment was that he felt that though Prince had won every award possible, he still often felt like an outsider.

i could see that arguement, he did such a great job with the showmanship and the upstaging, you could say it was in poor taste or you could look at it as he gave everything he had to give. That was one of my proudest moments as a fan. Prince was never much for doing that kind of socializing so what we could read as aloofness, well, first of all, it was just him, second, i have to wonder if the stories about his anxiety were true. the susan rogers story about him being nervous to meet elizabeth taylor was odd, he was the hottest star of the moment at the time, Liz may have been a legend but she wasn't even from his generation, how much did he even know about her? The story goes later, don't know if it's true or not because i think it was in the enquierer, liz kicked him off her property after his security started looking around in her bushes, prince was always odd, no doubt about it.

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Reply #45 posted 03/21/19 7:38am

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it never bothered me that Prince just walked off stage after that solo. He came. He conquered. He left. Up until his solo it was a fairly boring rendition of a boring song with Jeff Lynee’s guitar player playing the solos note for note from the original. Dhani criticism of the performance came after Prince passed away so perhaps he was a bit annoyed that the performance was getting all this attention again but the focus was on Prince. In defense though, there’s very little Prince on YouTube. Everyone was passing that performance around as evidence of what a great guitar player Prince was because there wasn’t/isn’t anything else to share.

I think there’s still a bit of a mystery as to whether the band knew exactly what Prince would be playing. Paul Shaffer claims it was all rehearsed but The NY Times article (published after Prince passed away, I think) makes it sound like Lynne’s guitar player was stepping over Prince’s part and gives the impression the shows producers walked away that night not exactly sure what Prince would be doing. And if Morris Hayes is to be believed Prince intentionally held back in rehearsals to leave a surprise for the actual performance.
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Reply #46 posted 03/21/19 1:55pm

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prince had been on both sides of a crowds favor so i'm sure it wounded him to some degree, the stones/mj fiascos, I'm sure he never totally let that shit go. susan rogers said that he would play the mj thing, had to be to push himself to get better, well once he did get better, good enough to be on megastar level, he seemed to really not have any attachement to it. The WATW incidents fucked his prime up a bit and created the backlash, perhaps a bit earlier than it had to come (the backlash happens to all of them) but he had his reasons. MJ and Quincy would have done Prince no favors in the studio had he showed up to sing, he knew this and said he'd just play guitar, but quincy said "i don't want him to play no fucking guitar". Like I said, people always want more than you're giving them, I do know that much.

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Reply #47 posted 03/21/19 2:51pm

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PeteSilas said:

SimonCharles said:

I don't know about phoney - he agreed to perform alongside them, for a start, there must have been something authentic about the performance in that regard. That and the fact there would have been mutual respect between him and Tom Petty/Jeff Lynne - and Prince's own regard for George Harrison. It may simply be the romantic in me, and the fact that with him dead now moments like this will not repeat, so seeing him engage with other musicians and enjoy the acclaim and share the joy of the music is something I would have liked to have seen.

i think there was some story going around that prince said he never heard the song before rehearsing it or something, which sounds like something he would say, but that's just prince, just like his walking off, he did his thing. I dunno, i'm a musician, one thing that's always curious is how people always find something to criticize, and it's usually not the music, the way i see it, if i give you everything I got, i don't want to hear about anything else that might bother you. Human nature being what it is though, people will say i don't interact with the audience enough like other phoney musicians or i don't dress nice enough or something.

I don't mean to criticise, this is merely a wish of mine - and one, as I say, that's increased with Prince being dead now and moments like these never to be replicated at other events. And, again, all power to Prince for conducting himself in the way he chose to. I would have just loved to have seen his smile receive the ovation - from both on and off stage. Romance, I guess.

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Reply #48 posted 03/21/19 2:54pm

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prince had been on both sides of a crowds favor so i'm sure it wounded him to some degree, the stones/mj fiascos, I'm sure he never totally let that shit go. susan rogers said that he would play the mj thing, had to be to push himself to get better, well once he did get better, good enough to be on megastar level, he seemed to really not have any attachement to it. The WATW incidents fucked his prime up a bit and created the backlash, perhaps a bit earlier than it had to come (the backlash happens to all of them) but he had his reasons. MJ and Quincy would have done Prince no favors in the studio had he showed up to sing, he knew this and said he'd just play guitar, but quincy said "i don't want him to play no fucking guitar". Like I said, people always want more than you're giving them, I do know that much.

All true, although by 2004 I would have liked to think he would be over much of that stigma: Brother Graham's influence, and all?

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OK. The part about his pitching his guitar over to his roadies and walking off stage- that is just what Prince did many times after a performance. You can see his pitch his guitar to his guys on other occasions, but have to admit, after this performance, it was done in a grand manner. We all know that he would rather play than talk, and I feel that that was how he wanted the night to end here. He didn't like platitudes, and probably thought someone would stick a mic in his face and ask him "How" he felt after getting inducted, blah, blah, blah.

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Reply #50 posted 03/21/19 3:22pm

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SimonCharles said:

PeteSilas said:

prince had been on both sides of a crowds favor so i'm sure it wounded him to some degree, the stones/mj fiascos, I'm sure he never totally let that shit go. susan rogers said that he would play the mj thing, had to be to push himself to get better, well once he did get better, good enough to be on megastar level, he seemed to really not have any attachement to it. The WATW incidents fucked his prime up a bit and created the backlash, perhaps a bit earlier than it had to come (the backlash happens to all of them) but he had his reasons. MJ and Quincy would have done Prince no favors in the studio had he showed up to sing, he knew this and said he'd just play guitar, but quincy said "i don't want him to play no fucking guitar". Like I said, people always want more than you're giving them, I do know that much.

All true, although by 2004 I would have liked to think he would be over much of that stigma: Brother Graham's influence, and all?

you'd think so ya, but he's still prince and what would be the point of dropping that role then, he actually died, in many people's estimation, trying to fulfill that Prince role. Willing to die for it sadly.

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OK. The part about his pitching his guitar over to his roadies and walking off stage- that is just what Prince did many times after a performance. You can see his pitch his guitar to his guys on other occasions, but have to admit, after this performance, it was done in a grand manner. We all know that he would rather play than talk, and I feel that that was how he wanted the night to end here. He didn't like platitudes, and probably thought someone would stick a mic in his face and ask him "How" he felt after getting inducted, blah, blah, blah.

Like everyone, one of my favorite videos to watch...I may just cue it up right now! yes

Perhaps so, yes. Sometimes, I think he did enjoy platitudes...it was one of the more intriguing aspects to his character - his love/hate/love relationship with fame and popularity. I guess mood was everything that night and that was the mood he was in. As I've said elsewhere, this is just me projecting - nothing more.

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Reply #52 posted 03/21/19 3:30pm

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SimonCharles said:

Seahorsie said:

OK. The part about his pitching his guitar over to his roadies and walking off stage- that is just what Prince did many times after a performance. You can see his pitch his guitar to his guys on other occasions, but have to admit, after this performance, it was done in a grand manner. We all know that he would rather play than talk, and I feel that that was how he wanted the night to end here. He didn't like platitudes, and probably thought someone would stick a mic in his face and ask him "How" he felt after getting inducted, blah, blah, blah.

Like everyone, one of my favorite videos to watch...I may just cue it up right now! yes

Perhaps so, yes. Sometimes, I think he did enjoy platitudes...it was one of the more intriguing aspects to his character - his love/hate/love relationship with fame and popularity. I guess mood was everything that night and that was the mood he was in. As I've said elsewhere, this is just me projecting - nothing more.

one more thing i'll say about that performance, no one expected it, I as a fan, knowing his talents, I sat there mesmerized so you know the people who didn't even think it could happen had to be doubly shocked, he gave so much of himself in that performance, the way i see it, he owed nothing else. Just like his best music, he gave way more than anyone had a right to expect, of course, even then his fans always tore him apart here.

also, after watching tyka's bizarre reactions in the press, i had to wonder if maybe it wasn't an act at all, that that bizarre quirky, schizoidal thing was just a family trait. I used to think it was an act but as I've gotten older, I don't know if it was all an act although I know part of it was. More or less, he was the way he was his whole life. His high school buddies used to say he was quiet and would stare at everyone around him, then the dick clark thing, you have to think it's a put on to some degree, there was a story that he wouldn't even talk to his cooks out loud when company was around but the cook said he was normal when he had no one to hold the role for. All interesting, contradictory and enigmatic.

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Reply #53 posted 03/21/19 3:32pm

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Again what I heard was Petty thought he whiffed in rehearsal which was done intentionally to create this eye opening, omfg reaction from Petty & the crew the nxt. day. What balls...

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Reply #54 posted 03/22/19 12:48pm

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SimonCharles said:

Perhaps so, yes. Sometimes, I think he did enjoy platitudes...it was one of the more intriguing aspects to his character - his love/hate/love relationship with fame and popularity. I guess mood was everything that night and that was the mood he was in. As I've said elsewhere, this is just me projecting - nothing more.

one more thing i'll say about that performance, no one expected it, I as a fan, knowing his talents, I sat there mesmerized so you know the people who didn't even think it could happen had to be doubly shocked, he gave so much of himself in that performance, the way i see it, he owed nothing else. Just like his best music, he gave way more than anyone had a right to expect, of course, even then his fans always tore him apart here.

also, after watching tyka's bizarre reactions in the press, i had to wonder if maybe it wasn't an act at all, that that bizarre quirky, schizoidal thing was just a family trait. I used to think it was an act but as I've gotten older, I don't know if it was all an act although I know part of it was. More or less, he was the way he was his whole life. His high school buddies used to say he was quiet and would stare at everyone around him, then the dick clark thing, you have to think it's a put on to some degree, there was a story that he wouldn't even talk to his cooks out loud when company was around but the cook said he was normal when he had no one to hold the role for. All interesting, contradictory and enigmatic.

Beautifully put. Thank you for your contributions on this chat. I've enjoyed reading your point of view.

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Reply #55 posted 03/22/19 4:03pm

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PeteSilas said:

or as morris hayes paraphrased "we can do them but they can't do us"-prince, post grammy show.

It's a thought. I would have thought Prince would have been comfortable enough in himself to not worry about that - whilst acknowledging both your comment about it being subconscious and that fact he was a man possessed with an ego to spare - by Musicology, though, he felt more open, more at ease...I don't know. It may also be the fact that retrospectively this is a piece he is gaining recognition from and for - perhaps that's rose-tinted my watching of it too.

A colaborator once told me in private, you'd be surprised how petty he could be for someone of his stature, when it came to proving his ego to an employee who was no competition to him (= a bandmember or engineer). I so totally can imagine him coming back at those rednecks who said he was a faggot, that "skinny MF with a high voice" lol God bless him for that, as a teenage fan in the early 90's God knows I've been taunted by them rockers for being a P fan. I didn't care for myself, but I was pissed they wouln't realized how great he was nod

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Reply #56 posted 03/22/19 4:37pm

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SimonCharles said:

It's a thought. I would have thought Prince would have been comfortable enough in himself to not worry about that - whilst acknowledging both your comment about it being subconscious and that fact he was a man possessed with an ego to spare - by Musicology, though, he felt more open, more at ease...I don't know. It may also be the fact that retrospectively this is a piece he is gaining recognition from and for - perhaps that's rose-tinted my watching of it too.

A colaborator once told me in private, you'd be surprised how petty he could be for someone of his stature, when it came to proving his ego to an employee who was no competition to him (= a bandmember or engineer). I so totally can imagine him coming back at those rednecks who said he was a faggot, that "skinny MF with a high voice" lol God bless him for that, as a teenage fan in the early 90's God knows I've been taunted by them rockers for being a P fan. I didn't care for myself, but I was pissed they wouln't realized how great he was nod

we don't need the private talks about it, it's in his actions, not letting the time use the name is a perfect example but however, there was an interview with an engineer of his, about 8 years ago on here. the guy said that prince was redoing a kate bush song and sung one of the lyrics slightly wrong ("as humans sometimes do" in the engineers words) and on being corrected Prince concocted a story that he made a phone call to kate about changing the lyric. no one i've ever studied, ever, overcomes the basic insecurity that comes with being human. mccartney once said that everyone has it and he should feel secure but he has insecurities too. Mccartney has always been petty about John-you know, who wrote what, who came up with ideas "sgt. pepper's was my idea" etc.., and he'd look on the verge of rage when asked about the beatles catalogue falling into mj's hands and being used in commercials which he did to other people's music with no problem when he bought rights.

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Reply #57 posted 03/22/19 5:19pm

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A big part of Prince was his elusivity... if that's a word. It was cool. "Where did his guitar go?"

I watched the clip enough to know, many do not. But they know the song, and even if not Prince fans, they know who he is and are blown away and ask that question. It's cool, part of his makeup.

Tired of my favorites dying young. Got pissed when I took a trip in 2004 and came back to hear my mom had tickets with free round-trip transportation to see the Musicology tour. Luckily, I got to see Prince a few years later. Sold out with stars in-house galore.

Sad to see Prince and Tom Petty are both gone. Life sucks when you lose your heroes.

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Reply #58 posted 03/22/19 6:03pm

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PeteSilas said:

SimonCharles said:

Perhaps so, yes. Sometimes, I think he did enjoy platitudes...it was one of the more intriguing aspects to his character - his love/hate/love relationship with fame and popularity. I guess mood was everything that night and that was the mood he was in. As I've said elsewhere, this is just me projecting - nothing more.

one more thing i'll say about that performance, no one expected it, I as a fan, knowing his talents, I sat there mesmerized so you know the people who didn't even think it could happen had to be doubly shocked, he gave so much of himself in that performance, the way i see it, he owed nothing else. Just like his best music, he gave way more than anyone had a right to expect, of course, even then his fans always tore him apart here.

also, after watching tyka's bizarre reactions in the press, i had to wonder if maybe it wasn't an act at all, that that bizarre quirky, schizoidal thing was just a family trait. I used to think it was an act but as I've gotten older, I don't know if it was all an act although I know part of it was. More or less, he was the way he was his whole life. His high school buddies used to say he was quiet and would stare at everyone around him, then the dick clark thing, you have to think it's a put on to some degree, there was a story that he wouldn't even talk to his cooks out loud when company was around but the cook said he was normal when he had no one to hold the role for. All interesting, contradictory and enigmatic.

That's interesting, Pete. Sounds exactly like him, though. The whole world's a stage..........

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Reply #59 posted 03/23/19 4:58am

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I never thought the performance was disrespectful nor in bad taste.

He's doing freaking CLAPTON'S part in the song. Better bring your a-game there. The song needed to take off right when it did. Prince opened a LOT of eyes that night.

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