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Thread started 03/13/19 9:30pm

thebanishedone

Prince didnt know what he was doing on guitar during the early days

According to Wendy Melvoin :

Sometimes he had moments where I’d look over and he’d be going for it and I’d laugh to myself and say, “You don’t even know what you’re doing right now!” But by the time he passed, he was undoubtedly a true master at the neck of the guitar.

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Premier Guitar magazine

So according to Wendy Prince didnt know what he

was doing when he was shredding.

Says a girl who until to this day didnt learn how to play guitar

solos and she was the worst guitar player Prince had.

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Reply #1 posted 03/13/19 9:53pm

PennyPurple

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It's time for Wendy to take a seat.

[Edited 3/13/19 22:01pm]

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Reply #2 posted 03/13/19 10:54pm

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Reply #3 posted 03/13/19 11:31pm

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I don’t think this was meant in a rude way. I think he became much better at guitar by Lovesexy era. On the PR tour he would stretch it to nearly half an hour. I don’t doubt that he was just fucking around on the guitar (not saying it was bad in any way) just unrefined.
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Reply #4 posted 03/14/19 2:02am

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Well.... we know he improved, and we know that PR era he had some moments where he looked out of his mind... he was definitely guilty of laying sloppy and playing what weren't actual chords...but that's how you end up with PR in the first place.

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Reply #5 posted 03/14/19 2:04am

thebanishedone

lavendardrummachine said:

Well.... we know he improved, and we know that PR era he had some moments where he looked out of his mind... he was definitely guilty of laying sloppy and playing what weren't actual chords...but that's how you end up with PR in the first place.

playing what were not an actual chords? can you explain?

i think he was always killer on guitar and Wendy dont know what shes talking about

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Reply #6 posted 03/14/19 3:22am

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What she meant was it came so naturally to him that his playing was better than his understanding of what he was doing, it was pure instinct. It's a fucking compliment! I've heard people say the same about Johnny Marr actually.

Stop trying to cause a fight, MODERATOR hammer lol



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Reply #7 posted 03/14/19 3:42am

PURPLEIZED3121

have to say I agree, it was raw, it was funky as hell & full on attack - a man on a mission & a really great contract to his mastery & precison in later years.

Listen to Hendrix live - rough as fuck with many mis-hits....but still incredible.

Likewise Wendy I have to say is such a funky player & likewise he accoustic chord play & use of scales is beautifully melodic.

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Reply #8 posted 03/14/19 3:57am

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jaawwnn said:

What she meant was it came so naturally to him that his playing was better than his understanding of what he was doing, it was pure instinct. It's a fucking compliment! I've heard people say the same about Johnny Marr actually.

Stop trying to cause a fight, MODERATOR hammer lol



[Edited 3/14/19 3:23am]

As a massive Smiths fan, I agree 100%

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Reply #9 posted 03/14/19 4:15am

iZsaZsa

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lavendardrummachine said:

Well.... we know he improved, and we know that PR era he had some moments where he looked out of his mind... he was definitely guilty of laying sloppy and playing what weren't actual chords...but that's how you end up with PR in the first place.

That sounds like me too. Rock on.

What?
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Reply #10 posted 03/14/19 4:17am

TheFman

As so often: unpolished is better.
Even if he became a 'master' later on: give me the earlier work every day of the year!

It'd rather say about Neil Young, that he didn't know what he was doing on guitar in the early days. But he knows that.

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Reply #11 posted 03/14/19 5:12am

jazzz

There are different levels of “knowing what to do on the guitar”...

Some players may know only the graphic patterns of the chords and scales. Others know the name of every note they use while playing, and its harmonic role against the chords. Then there is a category of real talents who hear a melody in their head and can transfer that to the instrument without thinking in patterns, note names or theory at all.

In his early years (and possibly also later), Prince belonged to the first and third category. With her remarks, Wendy probably tried to express that she was part of category two...
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Reply #12 posted 03/14/19 5:17am

jazzz

PS
Do piano players who use cluster chords during improvisation exactly know what they are playing...? Expressive means on any instrument may go beyond conventional theoretical rules
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Reply #13 posted 03/14/19 5:33am

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If u mean ...early days...Around PR Days...Prince was already a true Master on guitar....he just played in an enj way during these years...full of rage...before becoming a master in a melodic way the following years ...it was even in his younger age and all his carrier a terrific and a higher master in rhythm guitar technic....Prince was better thsn Hendrix because his ability to play in so different styles in an higher level!
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Reply #14 posted 03/14/19 5:39am

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What the org doesn't get: context.

What the org gives: vitriol, hyperbole.

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Nice thread title btw.

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Reply #15 posted 03/14/19 6:25am

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NouveauDance said:

What the org doesn't get: context.

What the org gives: vitriol, hyperbole.

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Nice thread title btw.


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Reply #16 posted 03/14/19 6:33am

TrevorAyer

as much as i love wendy and lisa .. what a load ... i recall reading that prince impressed his high school mates with a fluid ability to play the current hot guitar solos on the radio .. furthermore .. wendy and lisa are a bit of that stuck up training .. which is why wendy thinks her way through her guitar playing instead of feeling it .. they know about music theory but her licks are choppy like an over thinker would play .. prince was very fluid on guitar and could bust out a great solo when not thinking too much but now reading this i wonder if wendy stuck up music education is why prince tends to play such tame and lame guitar solos in general .. i have always felt he was great when he turned off his brain and went for it .. hof is a good example of this .. but when he lays down a solo on wax it is often a bit mundane .. i bet having wendy in his head made him too much of a perfectionist to really go for it like he used to .. i hate stuck up musicians .. especially classical music enthusiasts .. what a bunk art form .. some rich king pays whatever lame ass musician there is to kiss his ass and entertain him .. the real music always comes from the streets .. sophisticated music is for people who think they are better than themselves yet cant tell that classical music is often rooted in very simple structer with predictable counter melodies and modulations .. its as formulaic as 3 chord blues yet put enough bells and whistles in it and some king will clap and all the musical intilectuals can feel smarter than anyone .. wendy has talent but her execution is rough at best ... everyone knows the best music comes from mistakes made .. that is invention .. wish prince didn't get so full of himself and safe ... too bad wendy a little full of herself these days

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Reply #17 posted 03/14/19 7:57am

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This article is from October 2017 and your quote is wrong, and completely out of context.

Wendy said:

"As far as calisthenics go, I always felt Prince was one of those rare athletic players who was extremely dexterous, but always made every note count for something. Even when he was playing something tricky, it wasn’t banal.
Yes, it’s true! Sometimes he had moments where I’d look over and he’d be going for it and I’d laugh to myself and say, “You don’t even know what you’re doing right now!” But by the time he passed, he was undoubtedly a true master at the neck of the guitar. He just knew the thing so damn well."

Read the full article here:


https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/26282-wendy-melvoin-playing-for-the-revolution

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Reply #18 posted 03/14/19 8:00am

jaawwnn

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



This article is from October 2017 and your quote is wrong, and completely out of context.

Wendy said:

"As far as calisthenics go, I always felt Prince was one of those rare athletic players who was extremely dexterous, but always made every note count for something. Even when he was playing something tricky, it wasn’t banal.
Yes, it’s true! Sometimes he had moments where I’d look over and he’d be going for it and I’d laugh to myself and say, “You don’t even know what you’re doing right now!” But by the time he passed, he was undoubtedly a true master at the neck of the guitar. He just knew the thing so damn well."

Read the full article here:


https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/26282-wendy-melvoin-playing-for-the-revolution

Nothing Wendy says will ever be enough for these people, I don't fully understand it, but it's kind of calming or something to have the same argument year in and year out.

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Reply #19 posted 03/14/19 8:19am

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Reply #20 posted 03/14/19 8:21am

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i guess theres no point in trying to a comment in the proper context or even try to understand the meaning. just take everything as being negative. that is what the internet for isnt it?

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Reply #21 posted 03/14/19 8:35am

PURPLEIZED3121

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



This article is from October 2017 and your quote is wrong, and completely out of context.

Wendy said:

"As far as calisthenics go, I always felt Prince was one of those rare athletic players who was extremely dexterous, but always made every note count for something. Even when he was playing something tricky, it wasn’t banal.
Yes, it’s true! Sometimes he had moments where I’d look over and he’d be going for it and I’d laugh to myself and say, “You don’t even know what you’re doing right now!” But by the time he passed, he was undoubtedly a true master at the neck of the guitar. He just knew the thing so damn well."

Read the full article here:


https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/26282-wendy-melvoin-playing-for-the-revolution

thank you for adding some proper context.

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Reply #22 posted 03/14/19 8:50am

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thebanishedone said:

According to Wendy Melvoin :

Sometimes he had moments where I’d look over and he’d be going for it and I’d laugh to myself and say, “You don’t even know what you’re doing right now!” But by the time he passed, he was undoubtedly a true master at the neck of the guitar.

source

Premier Guitar magazine

So according to Wendy Prince didnt know what he

was doing when he was shredding.

Says a girl who until to this day didnt learn how to play guitar

solos and she was the worst guitar player Prince had.

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Do you (know how to) play the guitar ?

Do you know what she/others/we/I are talking about, technically ?

...then you must know,

that she made a HUGE compliment!

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Try to READ what's written in that article (in Premier Guyitar Magazine),

and try to understand whàt actually is being said/stated.

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I don't like people who try to make a saint out of Prince and bash others for it.

The guy had many qualities, but evenso bad ones.

And no i'm not talking about his guitar skills, they are of this earth!

(before you start baching me or others)

wink

Peace though.

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #23 posted 03/14/19 8:59am

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Threads like these should be locked and deleted, and OP should be banned for spreading lies.

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It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #24 posted 03/14/19 10:43am

onlyforaminute

Somebody made a funny. lol

Year of Return 2019
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Reply #25 posted 03/14/19 11:31am

MoBettaBliss

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Reply #26 posted 03/14/19 7:16pm

thebanishedone

Vannormal said:

thebanishedone said:

According to Wendy Melvoin :

Sometimes he had moments where I’d look over and he’d be going for it and I’d laugh to myself and say, “You don’t even know what you’re doing right now!” But by the time he passed, he was undoubtedly a true master at the neck of the guitar.

source

Premier Guitar magazine

So according to Wendy Prince didnt know what he

was doing when he was shredding.

Says a girl who until to this day didnt learn how to play guitar

solos and she was the worst guitar player Prince had.

-

Do you (know how to) play the guitar ?

Do you know what she/others/we/I are talking about, technically ?

...then you must know,

that she made a HUGE compliment!

-

Try to READ what's written in that article (in Premier Guyitar Magazine),

and try to understand whàt actually is being said/stated.

-

I don't like people who try to make a saint out of Prince and bash others for it.

The guy had many qualities, but evenso bad ones.

And no i'm not talking about his guitar skills, they are of this earth!

(before you start baching me or others)

wink

Peace though.

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i bet i know 2 play guitar much better than u can even dream off. too me it sounded like the interviewer complimented Prince but Wendy was like yeah although in theearly days he wasnt all that.that how i c it

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Reply #27 posted 03/14/19 10:47pm

thebanishedone

jaawwnn said:

What she meant was it came so naturally to him that his playing was better than his understanding of what he was doing, it was pure instinct. It's a fucking compliment! I've heard people say the same about Johnny Marr actually.

Stop trying to cause a fight, MODERATOR hammer lol



[Edited 3/14/19 3:23am]

im not trying 2 start a fight.just a discussion thats based on something i find interesting.

Sammy Hagar said that Eddie Van Halen is limited compared to Satriani and that was commented on VH fan boards i hope u dont mind freedom of speech

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Reply #28 posted 03/14/19 10:53pm

thebanishedone

BartVanHemelen said:

Threads like these should be locked and deleted, and OP should be banned for spreading lies.

Why am i spreading lies?Interviewer gave a compliment regarding Princes ability on guitar saying that whatever he played had a meaning.

.Wendy was like yeah you are right but u know what he didnt know

what he was doing at times when he was shredding

Thats how i c it.

And i dont know why r u still on org ,when Prince was alive you were making only negative

comments about Prince (because Princes team shut down your fan site in 1998 or 1999) get over it Bart

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Reply #29 posted 03/15/19 4:00am

jaawwnn

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thebanishedone said:

jaawwnn said:

What she meant was it came so naturally to him that his playing was better than his understanding of what he was doing, it was pure instinct. It's a fucking compliment! I've heard people say the same about Johnny Marr actually.

Stop trying to cause a fight, MODERATOR hammer lol



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im not trying 2 start a fight.just a discussion thats based on something i find interesting.

Sammy Hagar said that Eddie Van Halen is limited compared to Satriani and that was commented on VH fan boards i hope u dont mind freedom of speech

You're trying to start a fight.

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