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Paisley Diaries are back with Ingrid

Sorry if posted before, didn't see it.

Part one of Ingrid: https://www.soulhead.com/...all-lewis/

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This part is really depressing:

Former Paisley Park Records president Alan Leeds remembers Prince’s preoccupation recording the ill-fated debut album of Carmen Electra at the time: “While he’s making his Carmen record, I’m fighting in Europe to keep Ingrid Chavez alive because I actually believe there’s something there. Prince comes in my office with one of the demos of the Carmen Electra tracks. He looks at me and says, ‘I bet I make Carmen Electra a star before you make Ingrid a star.’ I just looked at him and said, ‘Dude, it’s your label! Now we’re gonna compete? And by the way, you signed Ingrid. I inherited that. I’m trying to make lemonade with what you signed, and now you want to have a contest? Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!’ ”

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I'll never understand why Prince got so obsessed with Carmen's record and so convinced he could have a hit with it, of all records. It's beyond me.

Ingrid's album may be the best non-Prince record ever released by the label, at long last he had something in his hands that might have been too arty-farty to be a huge commercial hit (though Enigma and Justify My Love say otherwise), but that could have generated a considerable amount of hype, and it almost sounds like he sabotaged it. A real pity...

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Reply #1 posted 02/28/19 3:19am

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Alan said why...


Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!’ ”

That means Prince was whipped. And you cannot reason with a man like that, even telling him he's the only one who thinks she's great. Or, rather, ask Bart about Carmen. He used to get teased about her back in the day.

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Reply #2 posted 02/28/19 8:47am

pinkcashmere23

Intersting article. Thanks!

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Reply #3 posted 02/28/19 9:46am

RJOrion

carmen electra's music was Prince's worst project ever ...by far.
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Reply #4 posted 02/28/19 9:53am

laytonian

iZsaZsa said:

Alan said why...



Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!’ ”

That means Prince was whipped. And you cannot reason with a man like that, even telling him he's the only one who thinks she's great. Or, rather, ask Bart about Carmen. He used to get teased about her back in the day.



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"Quit doing A&R with your dick."
Arnold Stiefel, Prince manager, 1990-91
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Reply #5 posted 02/28/19 9:57am

TrivialPursuit

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iZsaZsa said:

Alan said why...


"Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!”

That means Prince was whipped. And you cannot reason with a man like that, even telling him he's the only one who thinks she's great. Or, rather, ask Bart about Carmen. He used to get teased about her back in the day.


He wasn't whipped by her, but he was constantly blinded by a good piece. lol

This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
http://bit.ly/1D3FG2U
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Reply #6 posted 02/28/19 9:57am

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Should I give the Ingrid album another whirl so?

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Reply #7 posted 02/28/19 10:06am

TrivialPursuit

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jaawwnn said:

Should I give the Ingrid album another whirl so?


This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
http://bit.ly/1D3FG2U
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Reply #8 posted 02/28/19 10:18am

violetcrush

Seems Prince was still knee deep in his need for top "pop" success with his and also his protege's music instead of going the artistic route confused I think, even though he appreciated it, the "poetry-speak" alternative style of music was too far out of his wheelhouse.

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I'm not a huge fan of Ingrid's album - it's okay. I don't know that it would have been a huge success even if he focused all of his attention on marketing it, but Carmen's was even worse razz

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Reply #9 posted 02/28/19 10:35am

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Martika album betta. He never wanted anyone who was talented. It would crowd his ego. We love him but the guy could be a major dick. At the time he was serenading Mayte as well--who was a mere 16. I still think they had sex then. Mayte caint sing a lick ether.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #10 posted 02/28/19 11:00am

violetcrush

2freaky4church1 said:

Martika album betta. He never wanted anyone who was talented. It would crowd his ego. We love him but the guy could be a major dick. At the time he was serenading Mayte as well--who was a mere 16. I still think they had sex then. Mayte caint sing a lick ether.

I think he had one of his biggest "harems" from the 1990-96 period. Mayte was definitely in the mix, but I doubt he would have risked "popping her cherry" before she turned 18 due to potential legal issues. He was no dummy smile No doubt there was some playing and petting going on though. Yes, there was a major downturn of talent with his "proteges" during that time period - Anna G, Carmen, Robin P, Mayte, etc. Nona seemed to have a good voice, but he opted to go with Mayte... I guess he needed the gyrating and hip grinding on stage with him biggrin

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Reply #11 posted 02/28/19 11:04am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Martika album betta. He never wanted anyone who was talented. It would crowd his ego. We love him but the guy could be a major dick. At the time he was serenading Mayte as well--who was a mere 16. I still think they had sex then. Mayte caint sing a lick ether.

I think he had one of his biggest "harems" from the 1990-96 period. Mayte was definitely in the mix, but I doubt he would have risked "popping her cherry" before she turned 18 due to potential legal issues. He was no dummy smile No doubt there was some playing and petting going on though. Yes, there was a major downturn of talent with his "proteges" during that time period - Anna G, Carmen, Robin P, Mayte, etc. Nona seemed to have a good voice, but he opted to go with Mayte... I guess he needed the gyrating and hip grinding on stage with him biggrin

Yes,I think Nona had a lot of potential. I like the collabs of theirs that I've heard.

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Reply #12 posted 02/28/19 11:07am

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laytonian said:

iZsaZsa said:

Alan said why...


Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!’ ”

That means Prince was whipped. And you cannot reason with a man like that, even telling him he's the only one who thinks she's great. Or, rather, ask Bart about Carmen. He used to get teased about her back in the day.

. "Quit doing A&R with your dick." Arnold Stiefel, Prince manager, 1990-91

lol

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Reply #13 posted 02/28/19 11:08am

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TrivialPursuit said:

iZsaZsa said:

Alan said why...


"Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!”

That means Prince was whipped. And you cannot reason with a man like that, even telling him he's the only one who thinks she's great. Or, rather, ask Bart about Carmen. He used to get teased about her back in the day.


He wasn't whipped by her, but he was constantly blinded by a good piece. lol

lol I've heard that she blinded him out of a million bucks.

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Reply #14 posted 02/28/19 11:24am

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laytonian said:

iZsaZsa said:

Alan said why...


Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!’ ”

That means Prince was whipped. And you cannot reason with a man like that, even telling him he's the only one who thinks she's great. Or, rather, ask Bart about Carmen. He used to get teased about her back in the day.

. "Quit doing A&R with your dick." Arnold Stiefel, Prince manager, 1990-91


exclaim lol

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
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Reply #15 posted 02/28/19 11:31am

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Well, Vanilla Ice and Snow were having hits during the time period, so why not Carmen Electra?

I remember that Beavis & Butthead loved her. I was 16 at the time and I pretty much loved her as well wink
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Reply #16 posted 02/28/19 11:37am

jdcxc

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Well, Vanilla Ice and Snow were having hits during the time period, so why not Carmen Electra?

I remember that Beavis & Butthead loved her. I was 16 at the time and I pretty much loved her as well wink


As if most Pop Music is based on quality. Carmen DID have a bigger career than Chavez...who wasn’t the exact template for huge sales either.
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Reply #17 posted 02/28/19 11:40am

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OperatingThetan said:

Well, Vanilla Ice and Snow were having hits during the time period, so why not Carmen Electra? I remember that Beavis & Butthead loved her. I was 16 at the time and I pretty much loved her as well wink

Oh, he was definitely focusing on the horny teenage boy demographic with Carmen biggrin Vanilla Ice, however, ridiculous and song-stealing, was still better than her - voice, performance...everything. Even Vanilla Ice was getting lambasted though - go back and watch Jim Carey's awesome mocking performance of him on In Living Color...absolutely hilarious!!

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Reply #18 posted 02/28/19 11:49am

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I saw Carmen do her song Get On Up at Glam Slam L.A. one night with some dancers. She did one song an split. Spike was there. That group Portait performed a few songs. The night was billed as some sort of mini event, maybe for charity I cant remember, but Carmen came on when there were only like 20 of us loitering around lol.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #19 posted 02/28/19 11:59am

nelcp777

iZsaZsa said:

Alan said why...


Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!’ ”

That means Prince was whipped. And you cannot reason with a man like that, even telling him he's the only one who thinks she's great. Or, rather, ask Bart about Carmen. He used to get teased about her back in the day.

She is/was fine. Must have been some "Good Love". (Sorry, had to do it)

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Reply #20 posted 02/28/19 12:16pm

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OperatingThetan said:

Well, Vanilla Ice and Snow were having hits during the time period, so why not Carmen Electra?

I remember that Beavis & Butthead loved her. I was 16 at the time and I pretty much loved her as well wink

The problem was never Carmen. The problem was Carmen produced by Prince. In the right hands Carmen could have had a few hits like so many other dubious singers/rappers did at the time (and before, and since). But Prince didn't know how to produce that sort of Top 40 crap. So we ended up with a Prince album that's substandard and a commercial eurodance/hip-pop album that's too "prince" to hit that music's demographic.
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Reply #21 posted 02/28/19 12:20pm

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iZsaZsa said:



TrivialPursuit said:




iZsaZsa said:


Alan said why...



"Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!”

That means Prince was whipped. And you cannot reason with a man like that, even telling him he's the only one who thinks she's great. Or, rather, ask Bart about Carmen. He used to get teased about her back in the day.





He wasn't whipped by her, but he was constantly blinded by a good piece. lol



lol I've heard that she blinded him out of a million bucks.



Yes people speculated that line in I Hate U Remix was about that

He put that young pussy on a pedestal that’s for sure
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Reply #22 posted 02/28/19 12:22pm

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violetcrush said:

OperatingThetan said:

Well, Vanilla Ice and Snow were having hits during the time period, so why not Carmen Electra? I remember that Beavis & Butthead loved her. I was 16 at the time and I pretty much loved her as well wink

Oh, he was definitely focusing on the horny teenage boy demographic with Carmen biggrin Vanilla Ice, however, ridiculous and song-stealing, was still better than her - voice, performance...everything. Even Vanilla Ice was getting lambasted though - go back and watch Jim Carey's awesome mocking performance of him on In Living Color...absolutely hilarious!!

lol

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Reply #23 posted 02/28/19 12:23pm

violetcrush

nelcp777 said:

iZsaZsa said:

Alan said why...


Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!’ ”

That means Prince was whipped. And you cannot reason with a man like that, even telling him he's the only one who thinks she's great. Or, rather, ask Bart about Carmen. He used to get teased about her back in the day.

She is/was fine. Must have been some "Good Love". (Sorry, had to do it)

More "Pheromone" than "Good Love" lol 69 playboy boff2

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Reply #24 posted 02/28/19 12:27pm

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nelcp777 said:

iZsaZsa said:

Alan said why...


Meanwhile, you’re spending millions of dollars on a girlfriend who can’t sing!’ ”

That means Prince was whipped. And you cannot reason with a man like that, even telling him he's the only one who thinks she's great. Or, rather, ask Bart about Carmen. He used to get teased about her back in the day.

She is/was fine. Must have been some "Good Love". (Sorry, had to do it)

nod lol

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Reply #25 posted 02/28/19 12:30pm

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dodger said:

iZsaZsa said:

lol I've heard that she blinded him out of a million bucks.

Yes people speculated that line in I Hate U Remix was about that He put that young pussy on a pedestal that’s for sure

That's where I heard it. falloff

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Reply #26 posted 02/28/19 12:31pm

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databank said:

OperatingThetan said:
Well, Vanilla Ice and Snow were having hits during the time period, so why not Carmen Electra? I remember that Beavis & Butthead loved her. I was 16 at the time and I pretty much loved her as well wink
The problem was never Carmen. The problem was Carmen produced by Prince. In the right hands Carmen could have had a few hits like so many other dubious singers/rappers did at the time (and before, and since). But Prince didn't know how to produce that sort of Top 40 crap. So we ended up with a Prince album that's substandard and a commercial eurodance/hip-pop album that's too "prince" to hit that music's demographic.

I like her on Love 2 The 9s.

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Reply #27 posted 02/28/19 12:31pm

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dodger said:

iZsaZsa said:

lol I've heard that she blinded him out of a million bucks.

Yes people speculated that line in I Hate U Remix was about that He put that young pussy on a pedestal that’s for sure

I don't think the remix of I Hate U was about Carmen E - just my opinion. Too many other "clues" in the spoken word of that song. The song speaks to him being deeply in love with the woman. I think she was a sexual diversion for him - he got bored and was moving on. I might be wrong about that, but I don't think so. She does not appear to be the "sharpest tool in the shed" (sorry, but I've watched her interviews), and while Prince no doubt wanted/needed physical/sexual attraction, he also needed mental stimulation from a woman.

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Reply #28 posted 02/28/19 12:45pm

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rdhull said:

I saw Carmen do her song Get On Up at Glam Slam L.A. one night with some dancers. She did one song an split. Spike was there. That group Portait performed a few songs. The night was billed as some sort of mini event, maybe for charity I cant remember, but Carmen came on when there were only like 20 of us loitering around lol.

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Reply #29 posted 02/28/19 1:00pm

violetcrush

Prince's notes on the Crystal Ball Album:

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"Tell Me How U Wanna B Done - during the summer of '95,
this joint was a favorite of Erotic City dancers in
L.A. and Mpls. Kirky J. did the remix and was rewarded
by getting the producer job on Emancipation. PHAT!
Carmen Electra is featured on honey-dipped vocal.
Video is available upon clearance from Carmen's
conscience. "

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lol lol lol


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