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Version of Rave with an 8 seconds silent segue: a new mystery for you to help me solve :)

OK, so it appears there exists a CD edition of Rave that has an 8 second long silent segue instead of the usual 4 seconds.

One or two orgers mentioned it in the past and one (King Sausage, what happened to him?) actually sent me the 8 seconds file, saying he had bought the CD in the US, at the time of release.

I had no reason at all to suspect a prank though it semmed quite unbelievable because neither Princevault nor Discogs acknowledge that segue's existence. And that's odd.

After that, I checked and found that on the P2P network I use for music, while most people share a Rave with a 4 seconds segue, many others share one that has 8, so this version is definitely out there and files size at similar bitrate indicate it's there from different sources. More awkward is TGRES, which is 10 seconds longer than on the regular version, but the last 10 seconds are... 10 seconds of silence, making it more like 18 seconds of silence total. The second (strings) segue also is 2 seconds shorter, because the beginning starts at the end of the previous track. The other tracks seem similar give or take one second in length.

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So basically the only thing left for me to do is to try and figure out at least where and when this strange version was sold. I wish I could know why and how it happened, but I fear this isn't possible (unless someone knows something).

Hence the following question, if you could please take a minute to check your CD copy of Rave (or its digital rip if it comes straight from your original CD), could you tell me if your segue happens to be 8 seconds (and TGRES 5:40), and if it is the case, when and where did you purchase your copy of the CD (assuming it wasn't second hand of course)?

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Reply #1 posted 02/23/19 9:49pm

EnDoRpHn

databank said:

OK, so it appears there exists a CD edition of Rave that has an 8 second long silent segue instead of the usual 4 seconds.


One or two orgers mentioned it in the past and one (King Sausage, what happened to him?) actually sent me the 8 seconds file, saying he had bought the CD in the US, at the time of release.


I had no reason at all to suspect a prank though it semmed quite unbelievable because neither Princevault nor Discogs acknowledge that segue's existence. And that's odd.


After that, I checked and found that on the P2P network I use for music, while most people share a Rave with a 4 seconds segue, many others share one that has 8, so this version is definitely out there and files size at similar bitrate indicate it's there from different sources. More awkward is TGRES, which is 10 seconds longer than on the regular version, but the last 10 seconds are... 10 seconds of silence, making it more like 18 seconds of silence total. The second (strings) segue also is 2 seconds shorter, because the beginning starts at the end of the previous track. The other tracks seem similar give or take one second in length.


.


So basically the only thing left for me to do is to try and figure out at least where and when this strange version was sold. I wish I could know why and how it happened, but I fear this isn't possible (unless someone knows something).


Hence the following question, if you could please take a minute to check your CD copy of Rave (or its digital rip if it comes straight from your original CD), could you tell me if your segue happens to be 8 seconds (and TGRES 5:40), and if it is the case, when and where did you purchase your copy of the CD (assuming it wasn't second hand of course)?


.


Thx 4 ur help hug



If this is correct, shouldn’t this version be added as a fourth disc in the SE release?

Sounds essential for a purist.
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Reply #2 posted 02/23/19 10:16pm

databank

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EnDoRpHn said:

databank said:

OK, so it appears there exists a CD edition of Rave that has an 8 second long silent segue instead of the usual 4 seconds.

One or two orgers mentioned it in the past and one (King Sausage, what happened to him?) actually sent me the 8 seconds file, saying he had bought the CD in the US, at the time of release.

I had no reason at all to suspect a prank though it semmed quite unbelievable because neither Princevault nor Discogs acknowledge that segue's existence. And that's odd.

After that, I checked and found that on the P2P network I use for music, while most people share a Rave with a 4 seconds segue, many others share one that has 8, so this version is definitely out there and files size at similar bitrate indicate it's there from different sources. More awkward is TGRES, which is 10 seconds longer than on the regular version, but the last 10 seconds are... 10 seconds of silence, making it more like 18 seconds of silence total. The second (strings) segue also is 2 seconds shorter, because the beginning starts at the end of the previous track. The other tracks seem similar give or take one second in length.

.

So basically the only thing left for me to do is to try and figure out at least where and when this strange version was sold. I wish I could know why and how it happened, but I fear this isn't possible (unless someone knows something).

Hence the following question, if you could please take a minute to check your CD copy of Rave (or its digital rip if it comes straight from your original CD), could you tell me if your segue happens to be 8 seconds (and TGRES 5:40), and if it is the case, when and where did you purchase your copy of the CD (assuming it wasn't second hand of course)?

.

Thx 4 ur help hug

If this is correct, shouldn’t this version be added as a fourth disc in the SE release? Sounds essential for a purist.

lol lol lol

As absurd as it sounds, you have a point here.

I don't think this package aim at being comprehensive, though, or it would have included at least the TGRES and Man'O'War remixes.

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Reply #3 posted 02/23/19 11:28pm

musicman

databank said:

EnDoRpHn said:

databank said: If this is correct, shouldn’t this version be added as a fourth disc in the SE release? Sounds essential for a purist.

lol lol lol

As absurd as it sounds, you have a point here.

I don't think this package aim at being comprehensive, though, or it would have included at least the TGRES and Man'O'War remixes.

My segue is 4 seconds. Got it from Buy Buy on the first day it came out.

[Edited 2/23/19 23:33pm]

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Reply #4 posted 02/24/19 1:31am

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musicman said:

databank said:

lol lol lol

As absurd as it sounds, you have a point here.

I don't think this package aim at being comprehensive, though, or it would have included at least the TGRES and Man'O'War remixes.

My segue is 4 seconds. Got it from Buy Buy on the first day it came out.

[Edited 2/23/19 23:33pm]

Thx smile USA then? (I saw Buy Buy is also in Canada)

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Reply #5 posted 02/24/19 1:39am

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i could be absolutely wrong here, but would it be possible that people ordered that version
from an official prince website?

i seem to remember him selling Rave In2 on his site, so perhaps they lumped in copies of
Rave Un2 as well?

however, that seems unlikely. as does a possible digital version sold officially.

but why else would those differences be there, on disc? it seems more than just a printing
glitch, since at least 3 tracks have a slight difference.

even if there was a second pressing (which seems odd since rave didn't really sell that well
to begin with did it?) why would it be from a different source?

this is really weird hmmm

or wait, the original vinyl, perhaps? could that have a slightly different form?




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Reply #6 posted 02/24/19 2:52am

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I just checked my rip in iTunes and the mystery deepes. My seque is 21 seconds, but then again it's not silent. There's a phone ringing and then Kirsty Alley says, "Hello Prince, this is Vanessa Bartholomew..."

I think I have some tidying up to do in my iTunes. lol

RIP sad
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Reply #7 posted 02/24/19 3:02am

databank

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TheEnglishGent said:

I just checked my rip in iTunes and the mystery deepes. My seque is 21 seconds, but then again it's not silent. There's a phone ringing and then Kirsty Alley says, "Hello Prince, this is Vanessa Bartholomew..."

I think I have some tidying up to do in my iTunes. lol

falloff

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Reply #8 posted 02/24/19 3:05am

databank

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IstenSzek said:

i could be absolutely wrong here, but would it be possible that people ordered that version
from an official prince website?

i seem to remember him selling Rave In2 on his site, so perhaps they lumped in copies of
Rave Un2 as well?

however, that seems unlikely. as does a possible digital version sold officially.

but why else would those differences be there, on disc? it seems more than just a printing
glitch, since at least 3 tracks have a slight difference.

even if there was a second pressing (which seems odd since rave didn't really sell that well
to begin with did it?) why would it be from a different source?

this is really weird hmmm

or wait, the original vinyl, perhaps? could that have a slightly different form?




A digital version definitely not, not in 1999.

Did he sell the CD directly? I never heard any such thing and I think it's quite unlikely since he had a major to back it up, but King Sausage had said he'd purchased his copy in a store so even if Prince had printed his own version for mail order, it wouldn't solve the mystery anyway sad

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Reply #9 posted 02/24/19 3:45am

mynameisnotsus
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IstenSzek said:

i could be absolutely wrong here, but would it be possible that people ordered that version
from an official prince website?

i seem to remember him selling Rave In2 on his site, so perhaps they lumped in copies of
Rave Un2 as well?

however, that seems unlikely. as does a possible digital version sold officially.

but why else would those differences be there, on disc? it seems more than just a printing
glitch, since at least 3 tracks have a slight difference.

even if there was a second pressing (which seems odd since rave didn't really sell that well
to begin with did it?) why would it be from a different source?

this is really weird hmmm

or wait, the original vinyl, perhaps? could that have a slightly different form?






Bought Rave In2 from the site and it wasn't bundled.
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Reply #10 posted 02/24/19 4:33am

databank

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mynameisnotsusan said:

IstenSzek said:

i could be absolutely wrong here, but would it be possible that people ordered that version
from an official prince website?

i seem to remember him selling Rave In2 on his site, so perhaps they lumped in copies of
Rave Un2 as well?

however, that seems unlikely. as does a possible digital version sold officially.

but why else would those differences be there, on disc? it seems more than just a printing
glitch, since at least 3 tracks have a slight difference.

even if there was a second pressing (which seems odd since rave didn't really sell that well
to begin with did it?) why would it be from a different source?

this is really weird hmmm

or wait, the original vinyl, perhaps? could that have a slightly different form?




Bought Rave In2 from the site and it wasn't bundled.

Bundled with Rave Un2?

Rave in2 was an NPGMC exclusive IIRC, you couldn't purchase it separately could you?

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Reply #11 posted 02/24/19 4:33am

dodger

I’ll have to get my CD out the loft to check. If I’ve only the 4 second version I hope king sausage will send me the other 4 seconds too...
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Reply #12 posted 02/24/19 4:43am

databank

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dodger said:

I’ll have to get my CD out the loft to check. If I’ve only the 4 second version I hope king sausage will send me the other 4 seconds too...

It would be an evil fan edit. But I can send you the whole 8 seconds version if you want.

It was quite a trip actually, King Sausage sending me by email a file of 8 seconds of silence, he couldn't believe he was actually doing what he was doing falloff

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Reply #13 posted 02/24/19 4:48am

dodger

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dodger said:


I’ll have to get my CD out the loft to check. If I’ve only the 4 second version I hope king sausage will send me the other 4 seconds too...

It would be an evil fan edit. But I can send you the whole 8 seconds version if you want.


It was quite a trip actually, King Sausage sending me by email a file of 8 seconds of silence, he couldn't believe he was actually doing what he was doing falloff



fucks sake lol lol
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Reply #14 posted 02/24/19 5:21am

thedoorkeeper

Have you tried playing the 8 seconds backward? lol
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Reply #15 posted 02/24/19 5:23am

player

This thread lol I'm actually curious too!

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Reply #16 posted 02/24/19 5:42am

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thedoorkeeper said:

Have you tried playing the 8 seconds backward? lol

Hidden message about Satan. Don' do it. no no no!

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Reply #17 posted 02/24/19 6:19am

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So King Sausage sent you 8 seconds of silence? lol

You guys are true completists. wink

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Reply #18 posted 02/24/19 8:57am

tomds

The vinyl re-issue seems to start one side with this silent segue. This is also strange smile
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Reply #19 posted 02/24/19 9:39am

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databank said:



mynameisnotsusan said:


IstenSzek said:

i could be absolutely wrong here, but would it be possible that people ordered that version
from an official prince website?

i seem to remember him selling Rave In2 on his site, so perhaps they lumped in copies of
Rave Un2 as well?

however, that seems unlikely. as does a possible digital version sold officially.

but why else would those differences be there, on disc? it seems more than just a printing
glitch, since at least 3 tracks have a slight difference.

even if there was a second pressing (which seems odd since rave didn't really sell that well
to begin with did it?) why would it be from a different source?

this is really weird hmmm

or wait, the original vinyl, perhaps? could that have a slightly different form?






Bought Rave In2 from the site and it wasn't bundled.

Bundled with Rave Un2?


Rave in2 was an NPGMC exclusive IIRC, you couldn't purchase it separately could you?



I bought mine separately from npgmc (I think; i know it was an official site). My 'un2' has the 4 second segue. I bought it day of release at my local wrecka stow.

I have the vinyl, which starts side 2 with the segue (which is actually pressed into the vinyl).
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Reply #20 posted 02/24/19 9:48am

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Maybe you've got hold of a vinyl rip? The additional time being made up of lead in/out grooves?
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Reply #21 posted 02/24/19 10:23am

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My CD copy:

TGRES: 5:40

Segue: 8 seconds

Bought at a Circuit City in Florida on the day it came out.

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Reply #22 posted 02/24/19 11:01am

musicman

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musicman said:

My segue is 4 seconds. Got it from Buy Buy on the first day it came out.

[Edited 2/23/19 23:33pm]

Thx smile USA then? (I saw Buy Buy is also in Canada)

Yep U.S.

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Reply #23 posted 02/24/19 11:15am

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imagine regular people reading this thread and think we R the most insane fans.....

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Reply #24 posted 02/24/19 11:59am

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thievesinthetemple said:

My CD copy:

TGRES: 5:40

Segue: 8 seconds

Bought at a Circuit City in Florida on the day it came out.


cool! now we're getting somewhere thumbs up!

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Reply #25 posted 02/24/19 1:03pm

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Could it just be the 2-sec pre- and post-gaps?
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billymeade said:

Could it just be the 2-sec pre- and post-gaps?

I was thinking something along those lines as well.

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BTW, Princevault is mentioning the following about the silent segue: "Miles Davis is credited, but it is not known if this was simply intended as a tribute to him, or if, in fact, the silence was recorded while [1] was present, placing the recording between 1987 and 1990."

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I once wrote to them that the 4-second silence is pure digital silence (i.e. only null samples), so, no, it was not "recorded" in the presence of anybody. It was "artificially" generated.

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Anyway, my copy has a 4-second silent segue. Bought on Nov. 8, 1999 in Switzerland (City Disc).

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Reply #27 posted 02/25/19 7:16am

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KoolEaze said:

So King Sausage sent you 8 seconds of silence? lol

You guys are true completists. wink

Yeah, well... lol

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tomds said:

The vinyl re-issue seems to start one side with this silent segue. This is also strange smile

But funny

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Reply #29 posted 02/25/19 7:19am

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peedub said:

databank said:

Bundled with Rave Un2?

Rave in2 was an NPGMC exclusive IIRC, you couldn't purchase it separately could you?

I bought mine separately from npgmc (I think; i know it was an official site). My 'un2' has the 4 second segue. I bought it day of release at my local wrecka stow. I have the vinyl, which starts side 2 with the segue (which is actually pressed into the vinyl). [Edited 2/24/19 9:45am]

Ah yes Pvault confirms that after NPGMC Year 1 it was sold independently. I guess they printed more copies than they had members.

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