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Reply #30 posted 01/26/19 9:29am

dodger

violetcrush said:



dodger said:


TheSilentMikey said:


He didn’t re-recorded it though, he just revised it (in June ‘88) with “I Guess I’m Crazy” and “Train” for Mavis. And the version we have is from January ‘87, the original version before the ‘88 overdubs.


[Edited 1/26/19 2:45am]



Curious what your source is. I read somewhere the P version in circulation is from 88. PVault says it was revised and also says 'additional recording' in June 88. Anyway...


Hard to know for sure, I guess. Here's the version that I'm referring to:


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxO-7AkuDWU


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It's possible that the version recorded in 1987 was just Prince and his piano, because it was done at the Galpin House, not PP. He may have brought Eric Leeds and Atlanta Bliss in for the horns on the 1988 recording at PP.



Yes that is the version in circulation and you could be on to something there with the horns.

On this video of Mavis’s version in the comments section, someone says it is the 88 re-recording of P’s that is floating round

https://youtu.be/jAqGuJNrzUc
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Reply #31 posted 01/26/19 9:39am

violetcrush

dodger said:

violetcrush said:

Hard to know for sure, I guess. Here's the version that I'm referring to:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxO-7AkuDWU

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It's possible that the version recorded in 1987 was just Prince and his piano, because it was done at the Galpin House, not PP. He may have brought Eric Leeds and Atlanta Bliss in for the horns on the 1988 recording at PP.

Yes that is the version in circulation and you could be on to something there with the horns. On this video of Mavis’s version in the comments section, someone says it is the 88 re-recording of P’s that is floating round https://youtu.be/jAqGuJNrzUc

Either way, I like having just Prince's vocal on the circulating track. I'm sure it was pretty close - at least with regard to his vocal - to the original recording.

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Reply #32 posted 01/26/19 2:03pm

scififilmnerd

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paulludvig said:

scififilmnerd said:

Duh! Read the thread. Susannah was a guest on the Touré podcast, talking about Come Home. rolleyes

Yes, but she also thought the songs Strange Relationship and The Beautiful Ones were about her.

According to Duane Tudahl's book, others like Peggy McCreary and Susan Rogers thought The Beautiful Ones was about her, but Susannah doesn't comment specifically on that song, and THEN, Prince said it was written specifically about the characters in the movie - not an actual person. smile (But of course, Prince would have to say that unless he was suddeenly willing to air his personal life in public. razz)

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Reply #33 posted 01/27/19 12:33am

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violetcrush said:



dodger said:


TheSilentMikey said:


He didn’t re-recorded it though, he just revised it (in June ‘88) with “I Guess I’m Crazy” and “Train” for Mavis. And the version we have is from January ‘87, the original version before the ‘88 overdubs.


[Edited 1/26/19 2:45am]



Curious what your source is. I read somewhere the P version in circulation is from 88. PVault says it was revised and also says 'additional recording' in June 88. Anyway...


Hard to know for sure, I guess. Here's the version that I'm referring to:


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxO-7AkuDWU


*


It's possible that the version recorded in 1987 was just Prince and his piano, because it was done at the Galpin House, not PP. He may have brought Eric Leeds and Atlanta Bliss in for the horns on the 1988 recording at PP.



The version of Come Home that we have sounds a lot like it's from 1987. I love this song!!
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Reply #34 posted 01/27/19 7:19am

violetcrush

scififilmnerd said:

paulludvig said:

scififilmnerd said: Yes, but she also thought the songs Strange Relationship and The Beautiful Ones were about her.

According to Duane Tudahl's book, others like Peggy McCreary and Susan Rogers thought The Beautiful Ones was about her, but Susannah doesn't comment specifically on that song, and THEN, Prince said it was written specifically about the characters in the movie - not an actual person. smile (But of course, Prince would have to say that unless he was suddeenly willing to air his personal life in public. razz)

[Edited 1/27/19 3:38am]

Right, exactly. He also stated, after the comment about writing for the specific characters in the film, that when he does a ballad it's not coming from something human - it's "carnal" and coming from a spiritual place. So it was a contradiction of terms within the same discussion confused

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Reply #35 posted 01/28/19 10:03am

paulludvig

violetcrush said:



scififilmnerd said:




paulludvig said:


scififilmnerd said: Yes, but she also thought the songs Strange Relationship and The Beautiful Ones were about her.




According to Duane Tudahl's book, others like Peggy McCreary and Susan Rogers thought The Beautiful Ones was about her, but Susannah doesn't comment specifically on that song, and THEN, Prince said it was written specifically about the characters in the movie - not an actual person. smile (But of course, Prince would have to say that unless he was suddeenly willing to air his personal life in public. razz)



[Edited 1/27/19 3:38am]




Right, exactly. He also stated, after the comment about writing for the specific characters in the film, that when he does a ballad it's not coming from something human - it's "carnal" and coming from a spiritual place. So it was a contradiction of terms within the same discussion confused



From the Ebony interview: "I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.
If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”
So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong."
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Reply #36 posted 01/28/19 10:39am

violetcrush

paulludvig said:

violetcrush said:



scififilmnerd said:




paulludvig said:


scififilmnerd said: Yes, but she also thought the songs Strange Relationship and The Beautiful Ones were about her.




According to Duane Tudahl's book, others like Peggy McCreary and Susan Rogers thought The Beautiful Ones was about her, but Susannah doesn't comment specifically on that song, and THEN, Prince said it was written specifically about the characters in the movie - not an actual person. smile (But of course, Prince would have to say that unless he was suddeenly willing to air his personal life in public. razz)



[Edited 1/27/19 3:38am]




Right, exactly. He also stated, after the comment about writing for the specific characters in the film, that when he does a ballad it's not coming from something human - it's "carnal" and coming from a spiritual place. So it was a contradiction of terms within the same discussion confused



From the Ebony interview: "I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.
If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”
So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong."

Right, but then further down in the conversation the journalist says, " I read that The Besutiful Ones was about Susannah Melvoin". This is where he talks about not writing about anything human - that it's "carnal" or coming from a spiritual place. Two completely different answers on the same topic.
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Reply #37 posted 01/28/19 10:56am

paulludvig

violetcrush said:

paulludvig said:



From the Ebony interview: "I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.
If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”
So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong."

Right, but then further down in the conversation the journalist says, " I read that The Besutiful Ones was about Susannah Melvoin". This is where he talks about not writing about anything human - that it's "carnal" or coming from a spiritual place. Two completely different answers on the same topic.


Not sure that's the same interview. Sources?
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Reply #38 posted 01/28/19 11:32am

violetcrush

paulludvig said:

violetcrush said:


Right, but then further down in the conversation the journalist says, " I read that The Besutiful Ones was about Susannah Melvoin". This is where he talks about not writing about anything human - that it's "carnal" or coming from a spiritual place. Two completely different answers on the same topic.


Not sure that's the same interview. Sources?

I will paste it here when I get home. Only have my iPhone right now...
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Reply #39 posted 01/28/19 12:12pm

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Who is this Paul Ludvig person and why is he/she on a Susannah hating trip? Is he/she really Jill Jones? razz (Probably not, but...) bored

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Reply #40 posted 01/28/19 1:44pm

violetcrush

scififilmnerd said:

Who is this Paul Ludvig person and why is he/she on a Susannah hating trip? Is he/she really Jill Jones? razz (Probably not, but...) bored

As poppys so hilariously stated on another thread - paulludvig has a major case of the "melvoinaphobia", and he's had it for years on this site lol nuts ill

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He's a notorious "baiter and hater" poster on any thread associated with the Melvoin/Coleman clan. Thinking he's skating on thin ice by this point razz

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Reply #41 posted 01/28/19 2:16pm

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

paulludvig said:
Not sure that's the same interview. Sources?
I will paste it here when I get home. Only have my iPhone right now...

Here are the two different responses:

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"If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

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EBONY: I’ve read “The Beautiful Ones” was based on Susannah Melvoin.
Prince: Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual. This is a channel. I’m trying to do “Somewhere over the Rainbow.” It’s not about somebody human that I’m looking at right now. It wouldn’t have worked if it was. And that’s why it worked. Everybody thinks the song is about them. “This song’s about me and the other one’s about Bob Seger.”
*
So, he's back and forth between writing for something human or a character in the film, to any ballad he writes not being based on the flesh, and regardless of what he's singing about, it's all spiritual.
*
He was all over the place during that conversation. I have no doubt that he was not happy at all with the amount of detailed information included in Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy" which was published in 2014. He referenced it quite a bit in that interview.

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Reply #42 posted 01/28/19 2:28pm

paulludvig

violetcrush said:



violetcrush said:


paulludvig said:
Not sure that's the same interview. Sources?

I will paste it here when I get home. Only have my iPhone right now...


Here are the two different responses:


*


"If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”


*



EBONY: I’ve read “The Beautiful Ones” was based on Susannah Melvoin.

Prince: Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual. This is a channel. I’m trying to do “Somewhere over the Rainbow.” It’s not about somebody human that I’m looking at right now. It wouldn’t have worked if it was. And that’s why it worked. Everybody thinks the song is about them. “This song’s about me and the other one’s about Bob Seger.”

*

So, he's back and forth between writing for something human or a character in the film, to any ballad he writes not being based on the flesh, and regardless of what he's singing about, it's all spiritual.

*

He was all over the place during that conversation. I have no doubt that he was not happy at all with the amount of detailed information included in Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy" which was published in 2014. He referenced it quite a bit in that interview.




Both quotes support each other.
1. It's about a fictional character, not a real person.
2. It's not carnal, but spiritual.
Both statements suggest he writes from his imagination.
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Reply #43 posted 01/28/19 2:41pm

violetcrush

paulludvig said:

violetcrush said:

Here are the two different responses:

*

"If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

*

EBONY: I’ve read “The Beautiful Ones” was based on Susannah Melvoin.
Prince: Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual. This is a channel. I’m trying to do “Somewhere over the Rainbow.” It’s not about somebody human that I’m looking at right now. It wouldn’t have worked if it was. And that’s why it worked. Everybody thinks the song is about them. “This song’s about me and the other one’s about Bob Seger.”
*
So, he's back and forth between writing for something human or a character in the film, to any ballad he writes not being based on the flesh, and regardless of what he's singing about, it's all spiritual.
*
He was all over the place during that conversation. I have no doubt that he was not happy at all with the amount of detailed information included in Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy" which was published in 2014. He referenced it quite a bit in that interview.

Both quotes support each other. 1. It's about a fictional character, not a real person. 2. It's not carnal, but spiritual. Both statements suggest he writes from his imagination.

So, if all of his ballads are based only from a spiritual place or from his imagination, then how would Forever In My Life have been written specifically for her - as he stated in 1997??

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Reply #44 posted 01/28/19 7:50pm

paulludvig

violetcrush said:



paulludvig said:


violetcrush said:



Here are the two different responses:


*


"If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”


*



EBONY: I’ve read “The Beautiful Ones” was based on Susannah Melvoin.

Prince: Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual. This is a channel. I’m trying to do “Somewhere over the Rainbow.” It’s not about somebody human that I’m looking at right now. It wouldn’t have worked if it was. And that’s why it worked. Everybody thinks the song is about them. “This song’s about me and the other one’s about Bob Seger.”

*

So, he's back and forth between writing for something human or a character in the film, to any ballad he writes not being based on the flesh, and regardless of what he's singing about, it's all spiritual.

*

He was all over the place during that conversation. I have no doubt that he was not happy at all with the amount of detailed information included in Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy" which was published in 2014. He referenced it quite a bit in that interview.



Both quotes support each other. 1. It's about a fictional character, not a real person. 2. It's not carnal, but spiritual. Both statements suggest he writes from his imagination.


So, if all of his ballads are based only from a spiritual place or from his imagination, then how would Forever In My Life have been written specifically for her - as he stated in 1997??



If anything, that quote about Forever in My Life shows that Prince had no problems acknowledging Susannah when she really was the inspiration for a song.
With The Beautiful Ones he strongly denies the song had anything to do with her.
Anyway - back to Come Home:
"The song was originally intended for African American R&B singer Meli'sa Morgan, but it is not known if Prince submitted the song to her for her use. Prince revised the song in late June 1988, at Paisley Park Studios in Chanhassen, Minnesota (during the same set of sessions as recording Time Waits For No One and revising I Guess I'm Crazy and Train)." From PrinceVault
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Reply #45 posted 01/28/19 8:11pm

violetcrush

paulludvig said:

violetcrush said:



paulludvig said:


violetcrush said:



Here are the two different responses:


*


"If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”


*



EBONY: I’ve read “The Beautiful Ones” was based on Susannah Melvoin.

Prince: Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual. This is a channel. I’m trying to do “Somewhere over the Rainbow.” It’s not about somebody human that I’m looking at right now. It wouldn’t have worked if it was. And that’s why it worked. Everybody thinks the song is about them. “This song’s about me and the other one’s about Bob Seger.”

*

So, he's back and forth between writing for something human or a character in the film, to any ballad he writes not being based on the flesh, and regardless of what he's singing about, it's all spiritual.

*

He was all over the place during that conversation. I have no doubt that he was not happy at all with the amount of detailed information included in Alan Light's "Let's Go Crazy" which was published in 2014. He referenced it quite a bit in that interview.



Both quotes support each other. 1. It's about a fictional character, not a real person. 2. It's not carnal, but spiritual. Both statements suggest he writes from his imagination.


So, if all of his ballads are based only from a spiritual place or from his imagination, then how would Forever In My Life have been written specifically for her - as he stated in 1997??



If anything, that quote about Forever in My Life shows that Prince had no problems acknowledging Susannah when she really was the inspiration for a song.
With The Beautiful Ones he strongly denies the song had anything to do with her.
Anyway - back to Come Home:
"The song was originally intended for African American R&B singer Meli'sa Morgan, but it is not known if Prince submitted the song to her for her use. Prince revised the song in late June 1988, at Paisley Park Studios in Chanhassen, Minnesota (during the same set of sessions as recording Time Waits For No One and revising I Guess I'm Crazy and Train)." From PrinceVault

Prince recorded for himself - first and foremost. This was his story, inspired by his life at the time - same with Guess I'm Crazy and Train. Just like The Sex Of It, which he eventually gave to Kid Creole, and 5 Wonen which he gave to Joe Cocker. Just like 101, which he gave to Sheena Easton. He gave many of his "heartache" songs away. Van Gogh and Stone - both "heartache" songs were eventually given away too. He recorded for himself first - always
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Reply #46 posted 01/28/19 10:24pm

paulludvig

violetcrush said:

paulludvig said:



If anything, that quote about Forever in My Life shows that Prince had no problems acknowledging Susannah when she really was the inspiration for a song.
With The Beautiful Ones he strongly denies the song had anything to do with her.
Anyway - back to Come Home:
"The song was originally intended for African American R&B singer Meli'sa Morgan, but it is not known if Prince submitted the song to her for her use. Prince revised the song in late June 1988, at Paisley Park Studios in Chanhassen, Minnesota (during the same set of sessions as recording Time Waits For No One and revising I Guess I'm Crazy and Train)." From PrinceVault

Prince recorded for himself - first and foremost. This was his story, inspired by his life at the time - same with Guess I'm Crazy and Train. Just like The Sex Of It, which he eventually gave to Kid Creole, and 5 Wonen which he gave to Joe Cocker. Just like 101, which he gave to Sheena Easton. He gave many of his "heartache" songs away. Van Gogh and Stone - both "heartache" songs were eventually given away too. He recorded for himself first - always


Agreed. But it's not like every song is autobiographical. Most of them probably aren't. And we will never know for sure the inspiration behind any of his songs. Even Susannah admits he never told her anything spesific, she just felt she "knew". But as we know she was wrong on at least a couple of occasions.
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Reply #47 posted 01/28/19 11:25pm

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back to Come Home: "The song was originally intended for African American R&B singer Meli'sa Morgan, but it is not known if Prince submitted the song to her for her use. Prince revised the song in late June 1988, at Paisley Park Studios in Chanhassen, Minnesota (during the same set of sessions as recording Time Waits For No One and revising I Guess I'm Crazy and Train)." From PrinceVault

You can't believe everything Princevault writes. They also say Space never appeared on any configuration of Gold even though it did. smile

Come Home was written for Susannah. Deal with it. nutso

[Edited 1/28/19 23:38pm]

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Reply #48 posted 01/28/19 11:45pm

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violetcrush said:

scififilmnerd said:

Who is this Paul Ludvig person and why is he/she on a Susannah hating trip? Is he/she really Jill Jones? razz (Probably not, but...) bored

As poppys so hilariously stated on another thread - paulludvig has a major case of the "melvoinaphobia", and he's had it for years on this site lol nuts ill

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He's a notorious "baiter and hater" poster on any thread associated with the Melvoin/Coleman clan. Thinking he's skating on thin ice by this point razz

Thanks for warning me about Paula. It's good to know we can't take anything he/she says seriuosly when she's obviously biased and on some kind of personal hate-vendetta. She should take her shit elsewhere. smile

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Reply #49 posted 01/29/19 12:39am

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Anyway, I'm leaving this conversation now. I've stated my case. I'll leave the psycho ranting and raving to Paula. lol

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Reply #50 posted 01/29/19 4:33am

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Just beware - you'll find him popping up for the bashing and hating on any thread associated with the Melvoin/Coleman group. It's become as predictable as the Earth turning biggrin

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Reply #51 posted 01/29/19 5:09am

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yeahthat


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Just beware - you'll find him popping up for the bashing and hating on any thread associated with the Melvoin/Coleman group. It's become as predictable as the Earth turning biggrin



And you will be popping up at the other side of the fence. On the Susannah thread over in Associates you posted 281 times! In a single thread! And to make it even more extraordinary, it's only one of the "Susannah threads" your active on. That's an astonishing level of obsession.
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