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Reply #150 posted 02/19/19 6:05am

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Releasing the original versions of Extraloveable and Lust U Always will attract a lot of the wrong attention, and I doubt we want journalists nosing through Prince's romantic history...
A certain kind of mellow.
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Reply #151 posted 02/19/19 6:45am

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Mikado said:

Releasing the original versions of Extraloveable and Lust U Always will attract a lot of the wrong attention, and I doubt we want journalists nosing through Prince's romantic history...



don't bet on them not including those. them lyrics will kick up a storm in a few places
and as far as the companies are concerned, all publicity is publicity is numbers up.

and as far as we're concerned, you know we want these in even better quality than we
have now.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #152 posted 02/19/19 7:43am

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Revolution81 said:

rdhull said:
I’ve been around forever and nobody ever mentioned having studio Fathers Song or studio Electric Intercourse
Sure, they did. U even posted on at least one thread on here at the time. I suppose when u are as old as forever your memory can get a bit hazy

falloff

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #153 posted 02/19/19 7:59am

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IstenSzek said:



Mindbells9 said:


LRC69 said:
Who owns "Electric Intercourse" (studio version), "We Can Fuck" or complete version of 'Father's Song" before "Purple Rain Deluxe"?

I had these 2 for quite a while. Only "Katrina's Paper Dolls" "Electric Intercourse", and that particular mix of "The Dance Electric" were new to me.


you had those two, complete versions? eek smile



Yes, I did biggrin
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Reply #154 posted 02/19/19 8:01am

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rdhull said:



Mindbells9 said:


LRC69 said:
Who owns "Electric Intercourse" (studio version), "We Can Fuck" or complete version of 'Father's Song" before "Purple Rain Deluxe"?

I had these 2 for quite a while. Only "Katrina's Paper Dolls" "Electric Intercourse", and that particular mix of "The Dance Electric" were new to me.

You had EC and Fathers Song? And Im not talking about you taped it on cassette from the movie way bck when and then trick-bagged it on janky home studio production etc.



Not EC, I had We Can Fuck and Father's Song. The same versions on PR Deluxe, I had in similar quality for a few years before they were officially released. EC was completely new to me.
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Reply #155 posted 02/19/19 8:03am

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TwiliteKid said:

rdhull said:



I’ve been around forever and nobody ever mentioned having studio Fathers Song or studio Electric Intercourse


Yeah, I call bullshit.


I mean, the songs are out now, so there is no way to prove I had them before lol
But, as we all know, just because something isn't mentioned or discussed, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist biggrin
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Reply #156 posted 02/19/19 8:32am

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cool

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Reply #157 posted 02/19/19 8:33am

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Mindbells9 said:

TwiliteKid said:
Yeah, I call bullshit.
I mean, the songs are out now, so there is no way to prove I had them before lol But, as we all know, just because something isn't mentioned or discussed, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist biggrin

Absolutely RIGHT !

Question > about the possible release Reissue of 1999 ...are u aware of unreleased Studio stuff (alternative versions/outtakes...) never mentionned by anyone until now ??

thanx 4 ur possible reply

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Reply #158 posted 02/19/19 8:37am

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IstenSzek said:

Mikado said:

Releasing the original versions of Extraloveable and Lust U Always will attract a lot of the wrong attention, and I doubt we want journalists nosing through Prince's romantic history...



don't bet on them not including those. them lyrics will kick up a storm in a few places
and as far as the companies are concerned, all publicity is publicity is numbers up.

and as far as we're concerned, you know we want these in even better quality than we
have now.


That those songs would either not be released or released but edited is what I'm afraid of, ESPECIALLY in today's 'me too' environment. I want to hear those, along with the earlier version of Possessed, unedited and in studio quality.

"I like to watch."
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Reply #159 posted 02/19/19 9:33am

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Im speaking specidically about studio Fathers Song and Elec Inter. Im not saying that nobody had them (I dont think they did though) but if they did, I never herd anyone ever mention having or someone having those two songs. Others yeah ...

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Reply #160 posted 02/19/19 9:43am

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I would be ok if they edited extraloveable to edit at 6:03....edit out until 6:45.

I think the release schedule needs to pick up some pace.

I would prefer:

1. original album remastered

2. outtakes, demos, alt versions

3. 12 inch, 7inch

4. soundboards of a few shows

Music is the best...
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Reply #161 posted 02/19/19 9:43am

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Mindbells9 said:

rdhull said:

You had EC and Fathers Song? And Im not talking about you taped it on cassette from the movie way bck when and then trick-bagged it on janky home studio production etc.

Not EC, I had We Can Fuck and Father's Song. The same versions on PR Deluxe, I had in similar quality for a few years before they were officially released. EC was completely new to me.

You also had “Love and Sex” and the ‘84 vocal version of “Possessed”?

"Don't need no Reefer. Don't need Cocaine. Purple Music does the same to my brain."
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Reply #162 posted 02/19/19 9:53am

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To celebrate the zero news about this release i'm listening to 1999 The New Master. Thanks everyone, you did this.

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Reply #163 posted 02/19/19 10:02am

IstenSzek

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jaawwnn said:

To celebrate the zero news about this release i'm listening to 1999 The New Master. Thanks everyone, you did this.



Armageddon is headin', lethal rap weapon

1-9-9-9 people keep steppin'

boogie


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Reply #164 posted 02/19/19 10:06am

soladeo1

Conjecture: 1999 Deluxe Remaster???
As a first swag, how does this look??
CD1:
1999
Little Red Corvette
Delirious
Let's Pretend We're Married
D.M.S.R.
Automatic
Something In The Water (Does Not Compute)
Free
Lady Cab Driver
All The Critics Love U In New York
International Lover
CD2:
Purple Music
How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore?
Lust U Always
Horny Toad
Extralovable
You're All I Want
Turn It Up
U Should Be Mine
Irresistible Bitch
Yah, U Know
If It'll Make U Happy
Don't Let Him Fool Ya
Fox Trap
No Call U
Moonbean Levels
Plus 1 concert:
3 March 1983: Bloomington, MN Met Center
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Reply #165 posted 02/19/19 10:16am

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IstenSzek said:

jaawwnn said:

To celebrate the zero news about this release i'm listening to 1999 The New Master. Thanks everyone, you did this.



Armageddon is headin', lethal rap weapon
1-9-9-9 people keep steppin'

boogie



This is the party of the century!

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Reply #166 posted 02/19/19 10:23am

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jaawwnn said:

IstenSzek said:



Armageddon is headin', lethal rap weapon

1-9-9-9 people keep steppin'

boogie



This is the party of the century!


lol

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Reply #167 posted 02/19/19 11:32am

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soladeo1 said:

Conjecture: 1999 Deluxe Remaster??? As a first swag, how does this look?? CD1: 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Automatic Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) Free Lady Cab Driver All The Critics Love U In New York International Lover CD2: Purple Music How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? Lust U Always Horny Toad Extralovable You're All I Want Turn It Up U Should Be Mine Irresistible Bitch Yah, U Know If It'll Make U Happy Don't Let Him Fool Ya Fox Trap No Call U Moonbean Levels Plus 1 concert: 3 March 1983: Bloomington, MN Met Center

Moonbeam Levels with the piano ending fade-in!

"I like to watch."
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Reply #168 posted 02/19/19 3:46pm

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Mindbells9 said:

TwiliteKid said:
Yeah, I call bullshit.
I mean, the songs are out now, so there is no way to prove I had them before lol But, as we all know, just because something isn't mentioned or discussed, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist biggrin

But those two songs were big and popular in the canon and wer always mentioned. I just shocked that nobody ever mentioned they had them stuio versions. Not even Timmy mentioned them when the live or movie versions were disucssed

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Reply #169 posted 02/19/19 3:48pm

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I mean we all knew they must have existed esp for him to have performed EI live, there must have been a studio one that begat the live perfromances.

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Reply #170 posted 02/19/19 4:13pm

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TheSilentMikey said:



Mindbells9 said:


rdhull said:


You had EC and Fathers Song? And Im not talking about you taped it on cassette from the movie way bck when and then trick-bagged it on janky home studio production etc.



Not EC, I had We Can Fuck and Father's Song. The same versions on PR Deluxe, I had in similar quality for a few years before they were officially released. EC was completely new to me.

You also had “Love and Sex” and the ‘84 vocal version of “Possessed”?



Yes, I had those as well. As I said, only Electric Intercourse, Katrina, and that particular mix of The Dance Electric were totally new to me.
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Reply #171 posted 02/19/19 5:58pm

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Mindbells9 said:

TheSilentMikey said:

You also had “Love and Sex” and the ‘84 vocal version of “Possessed”?

Yes, I had those as well. As I said, only Electric Intercourse, Katrina, and that particular mix of The Dance Electric were totally new to me.

Well, Mindbells, tell this old azz/us what else ya got lol

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Reply #172 posted 02/19/19 6:15pm

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It it contains Purple Music, I will buy it nod

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
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Reply #173 posted 02/19/19 9:17pm

jstar69

And if this eventuates, can we please get the entire set on vinyl INCLUDING vault tracks. Still pissed that the expanded purple rain set did not get a vinyl release - well I really only wanted the vault track disc on vinyl.
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Reply #174 posted 02/19/19 11:40pm

JorisE73

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Conjecture: 1999 Deluxe Remaster??? As a first swag, how does this look?? CD1: 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Automatic Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) Free Lady Cab Driver All The Critics Love U In New York International Lover CD2: Purple Music How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? Lust U Always Horny Toad Extralovable You're All I Want Turn It Up U Should Be Mine Irresistible Bitch Yah, U Know If It'll Make U Happy Don't Let Him Fool Ya Fox Trap No Call U Moonbean Levels Plus 1 concert: 3 March 1983: Bloomington, MN Met Center


You already posted that on a previous thread : http://prince.org/msg/7/452178

And accordingh to some you're missing some obvious essentials.

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Reply #175 posted 02/20/19 12:13am

bilbolives

"A-u-t-o-matic. Just tell me what to do"

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Reply #176 posted 02/20/19 1:22am

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JorisE73 said:

soladeo1 said:

Conjecture: 1999 Deluxe Remaster??? As a first swag, how does this look?? CD1: 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Automatic Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) Free Lady Cab Driver All The Critics Love U In New York International Lover CD2: Purple Music How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? Lust U Always Horny Toad Extralovable You're All I Want Turn It Up U Should Be Mine Irresistible Bitch Yah, U Know If It'll Make U Happy Don't Let Him Fool Ya Fox Trap No Call U Moonbean Levels Plus 1 concert: 3 March 1983: Bloomington, MN Met Center


You already posted that on a previous thread : http://prince.org/msg/7/452178

And accordingh to some you're missing some obvious essentials.

Those tracklists don't make much sense at all anyway, because fans can only do them based on:

1/ already circulating outtakes (that should not be all such a release contains if the Estate does their homework)

2/ random titles of songs that are known to exist but haven't been heard (talk about a blind guess!)

Such an exercise lacks precisely what a curator would need to do: a thorough examination of all the available material and recording dates, a sense of historicity regarding what might constitute the most important recordings, a cohesive selection followed by a proper sequencing, not to mention the quality of the tapes and the fact that the product must be appealing to a larger audience than the most hardcore fans.

Same with the shows: if all the shows from a given tour are available. The choice of the show has to follow some sense of quality and historicity (typically in that case, the show that was to become the Second Coming film would make more sense drom a historical perspective, as it was the closest to Prince's original intent, but their might be sound quality issues involved, or another show could be significantly better).

So we can make all the wishlists we want, but those tracklists cannot possiblky reflect what the project should be if it's going to be any good. Not that CD2 on PR Deluxe was well sequanced or necessarily the best possible songs selection, mind you, but hopefully they'll do better next time.

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Reply #177 posted 02/20/19 2:10am

JorisE73

databank said:

JorisE73 said:


You already posted that on a previous thread : http://prince.org/msg/7/452178

And accordingh to some you're missing some obvious essentials.

Those tracklists don't make much sense at all anyway, because fans can only do them based on:

1/ already circulating outtakes (that should not be all such a release contains if the Estate does their homework)

2/ random titles of songs that are known to exist but haven't been heard (talk about a blind guess!)

Such an exercise lacks precisely what a curator would need to do: a thorough examination of all the available material and recording dates, a sense of historicity regarding what might constitute the most important recordings, a cohesive selection followed by a proper sequencing, not to mention the quality of the tapes and the fact that the product must be appealing to a larger audience than the most hardcore fans.

Same with the shows: if all the shows from a given tour are available. The choice of the show has to follow some sense of quality and historicity (typically in that case, the show that was to become the Second Coming film would make more sense drom a historical perspective, as it was the closest to Prince's original intent, but their might be sound quality issues involved, or another show could be significantly better).

So we can make all the wishlists we want, but those tracklists cannot possiblky reflect what the project should be if it's going to be any good. Not that CD2 on PR Deluxe was well sequanced or necessarily the best possible songs selection, mind you, but hopefully they'll do better next time.


Fully agree. I'm honestly more interested in a straight remaster with only a extra disk with the 7" and 12" versions and b-sides and a full seperate archival set containig only discs filled chronologiacally with outtakes/demos/alternate versions from a specific album/era. In this example a set of everything recorded after the release of Controversy up to the release of 1999.

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Reply #178 posted 02/20/19 3:49am

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JorisE73 said:

databank said:

Those tracklists don't make much sense at all anyway, because fans can only do them based on:

1/ already circulating outtakes (that should not be all such a release contains if the Estate does their homework)

2/ random titles of songs that are known to exist but haven't been heard (talk about a blind guess!)

Such an exercise lacks precisely what a curator would need to do: a thorough examination of all the available material and recording dates, a sense of historicity regarding what might constitute the most important recordings, a cohesive selection followed by a proper sequencing, not to mention the quality of the tapes and the fact that the product must be appealing to a larger audience than the most hardcore fans.

Same with the shows: if all the shows from a given tour are available. The choice of the show has to follow some sense of quality and historicity (typically in that case, the show that was to become the Second Coming film would make more sense drom a historical perspective, as it was the closest to Prince's original intent, but their might be sound quality issues involved, or another show could be significantly better).

So we can make all the wishlists we want, but those tracklists cannot possiblky reflect what the project should be if it's going to be any good. Not that CD2 on PR Deluxe was well sequanced or necessarily the best possible songs selection, mind you, but hopefully they'll do better next time.


Fully agree. I'm honestly more interested in a straight remaster with only a extra disk with the 7" and 12" versions and b-sides and a full seperate archival set containig only discs filled chronologiacally with outtakes/demos/alternate versions from a specific album/era. In this example a set of everything recorded after the release of Controversy up to the release of 1999.

I don't even know how they can do this (except digitally where they could virtually publish everything), because there are often many versions and edits of a single song. An approach could be to take the last known edit/mix of each track (within the given timeframe, not counting later reworks or rerecordings) and consider it as Prince's final intent, but in some cases that might mean renouncing a mindblowing longer mix in favor of a shorter edit, and there's the problem of vocals by other artists recorded after prince's own vocals, so the rule must be flexible and that's if they actually have everything properly dated.

.

Another factor to be taken in consideration is that simple rule of music marketing which is that once a release is out, it will never get the publicity again so if you release it all at once, you lose exposure by comparison to releasing it over the course of several years (typically, unsigned artists are encouraged to release an album track by track instead of all at once, for that very same reason).

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And then again there might be a wish to curate, i.e. select the best tracxks for a given set, trying to come-up with cohesive over comprehensive.

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I really have no idea what they intend to do in the long run, obviously no one does, and I also don't have any idea of what would be the best approach, because as a fan I want everything but I'm not sure which would be the best way to organize those sets, and I know that many people, including fans, are not interested in every single note the way I am. But if we want everything, given that even here on a Prince fans forum of all places, some fans already complain about the single edits "wasting CD space", "everything" can only be done NPGMC-style.

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Reply #179 posted 02/20/19 5:57am

JorisE73

databank said:

JorisE73 said:


Fully agree. I'm honestly more interested in a straight remaster with only a extra disk with the 7" and 12" versions and b-sides and a full seperate archival set containig only discs filled chronologiacally with outtakes/demos/alternate versions from a specific album/era. In this example a set of everything recorded after the release of Controversy up to the release of 1999.

I don't even know how they can do this (except digitally where they could virtually publish everything), because there are often many versions and edits of a single song. An approach could be to take the last known edit/mix of each track (within the given timeframe, not counting later reworks or rerecordings) and consider it as Prince's final intent, but in some cases that might mean renouncing a mindblowing longer mix in favor of a shorter edit, and there's the problem of vocals by other artists recorded after prince's own vocals, so the rule must be flexible and that's if they actually have everything properly dated.

.

Another factor to be taken in consideration is that simple rule of music marketing which is that once a release is out, it will never get the publicity again so if you release it all at once, you lose exposure by comparison to releasing it over the course of several years (typically, unsigned artists are encouraged to release an album track by track instead of all at once, for that very same reason).

.

And then again there might be a wish to curate, i.e. select the best tracxks for a given set, trying to come-up with cohesive over comprehensive.

.

I really have no idea what they intend to do in the long run, obviously no one does, and I also don't have any idea of what would be the best approach, because as a fan I want everything but I'm not sure which would be the best way to organize those sets, and I know that many people, including fans, are not interested in every single note the way I am. But if we want everything, given that even here on a Prince fans forum of all places, some fans already complain about the single edits "wasting CD space", "everything" can only be done NPGMC-style.


Well, it seems a digital archive would be most efficient regarding everything, and that could be updted when new recordings are found, but this is something that would never happen. This would be like a digital veriosn of his vault which everyone could access. That would be a pipedream.

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