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Reply #180 posted 01/12/19 10:06am

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Reply #181 posted 01/12/19 11:14am

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If Eye Was the Man in Ur Life is the last track on side 3 of Musicology, and On the Couch starts side 4. That's going to sound awful unless they've gone back to the multi tracks and created a new mix.
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Reply #182 posted 01/12/19 4:31pm

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asideorderofham said:

If Eye Was the Man in Ur Life is the last track on side 3 of Musicology, and On the Couch starts side 4. That's going to sound awful unless they've gone back to the multi tracks and created a new mix.

Yeah, I thought that.

They've probably just faded out If Eye Was... in the jazzy part at the end. And cut On The Couch start neatly on its opening downbeat....

Fingers crossed!

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Reply #183 posted 01/13/19 5:19am

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Ouch! Day one buy for me. I just bought a vinyl reader just for it. .

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You bought what? A VINYL READER? biggrin

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Reply #184 posted 01/20/19 9:58pm

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How is the sound on them?

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Reply #185 posted 01/24/19 8:45am

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Rave In2 is also getting a vinyl release in April. I guess Un2 will also.
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Reply #186 posted 01/24/19 4:20pm

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RODSERLING said:

So apparently Sony is going to re release physically post 1993 album. . They begin with these 3 albums, available on CD and vinyle. . Best news of the year for me. . If they really release the 23 albums unavailable next year, Prince will be a huge physical seller. ********** [See link below, luv4u:] https://www.bullmoose.com...7AbZcAJmE8 ***************** UPDATE: You can now pre-order the albums from the Prince|Official store Link: https://store.princeestate.com/store/ Musicology - 3121 - Planet Earth Pre-order Legacy re-issues: https://store.princeestat...229_104317 [luv4u]

I ordered mine for 3121, they definetley have to make Emancipation and Crystal Ball reissues next

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Reply #187 posted 01/24/19 6:01pm

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paddypurple said:

RODSERLING said:

So apparently Sony is going to re release physically post 1993 album. . They begin with these 3 albums, available on CD and vinyle. . Best news of the year for me. . If they really release the 23 albums unavailable next year, Prince will be a huge physical seller. ********** [See link below, luv4u:] https://www.bullmoose.com...7AbZcAJmE8 ***************** UPDATE: You can now pre-order the albums from the Prince|Official store Link: https://store.princeestate.com/store/ Musicology - 3121 - Planet Earth Pre-order Legacy re-issues: https://store.princeestat...229_104317 [luv4u]

I ordered mine for 3121, they definetley have to make Emancipation and Crystal Ball reissues next

Next is Rave Un2 and Rave In2 vinyls...

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Reply #188 posted 01/25/19 10:00am

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I'm excited by these reissues. I hope we get see The Rainbow Children and The Truth on Vinyl soon also.
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Reply #189 posted 01/26/19 4:51am

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Kares said:

RODSERLING said:

Ouch! Day one buy for me. I just bought a vinyl reader just for it. .

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You bought what? A VINYL READER? biggrin

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Reply #190 posted 01/26/19 10:12am

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no one's answered the question...R THESE remastered???

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Reply #191 posted 01/27/19 9:24am

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no one's answered the question...R THESE remastered???

No. If they were it would have been emphasised in the maketing campaign (it's a strong argument for additional sales).

However Susan once explained that in her days, different masters were made for LP's and CD's (she didn't say about cassettes), so technically there are at least 2 masters for each album that was released on both formats, and those may have been slightly remastered for the LP format, but given that it would have involved extra costs, it's likely that they weren't and what we have is the CD masters on LP.

On a sidenote, I'm a bit puzzled by those artists remastering album published after 1995 or so. Like Kate Bush remastering her two 2011 albums in the recent box-set, for example: remasters are supposed to benefit from the progress in technology, but how could a 2011 record possibly benefit from any improvement in 2018? eek My question goes for those 3 Prince albums as well: what need could we possibly have for remasters?

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Reply #192 posted 01/27/19 3:54pm

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databank said:



luvsexy4all said:


no one's answered the question...R THESE remastered???



No. If they were it would have been emphasised in the maketing campaign (it's a strong argument for additional sales).


However Susan once explained that in her days, different masters were made for LP's and CD's (she didn't say about cassettes), so technically there are at least 2 masters for each album that was released on both formats, and those may have been slightly remastered for the LP format, but given that it would have involved extra costs, it's likely that they weren't and what we have is the CD masters on LP.


On a sidenote, I'm a bit puzzled by those artists remastering album published after 1995 or so. Like Kate Bush remastering her two 2011 albums in the recent box-set, for example: remasters are supposed to benefit from the progress in technology, but how could a 2011 record possibly benefit from any improvement in 2018? eek My question goes for those 3 Prince albums as well: what need could we possibly have for remasters?



Remasters aren’t necessarily about technological progress. It can also be that the masters simply were not “good” or that they could be “better” (subjectively speaking).
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Reply #193 posted 01/28/19 3:09am

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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

databank said:

No. If they were it would have been emphasised in the maketing campaign (it's a strong argument for additional sales).

However Susan once explained that in her days, different masters were made for LP's and CD's (she didn't say about cassettes), so technically there are at least 2 masters for each album that was released on both formats, and those may have been slightly remastered for the LP format, but given that it would have involved extra costs, it's likely that they weren't and what we have is the CD masters on LP.

On a sidenote, I'm a bit puzzled by those artists remastering album published after 1995 or so. Like Kate Bush remastering her two 2011 albums in the recent box-set, for example: remasters are supposed to benefit from the progress in technology, but how could a 2011 record possibly benefit from any improvement in 2018? eek My question goes for those 3 Prince albums as well: what need could we possibly have for remasters?

Remasters aren’t necessarily about technological progress. It can also be that the masters simply were not “good” or that they could be “better” (subjectively speaking).

I guess it makes sense, yes. But what could Kate possibly make "better" now that she couldn't 7 years ago? It's not like she was a rookie in 2011. And it's not the same time I see albums remastered a mere few years after being released...

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Reply #194 posted 01/28/19 6:43am

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databank said:

luvsexy4all said:

no one's answered the question...R THESE remastered???

On a sidenote, I'm a bit puzzled by those artists remastering album published after 1995 or so.

Have you heard the remaster of OK Computer? It sounds phenomenal, especially on vinyl.

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Reply #195 posted 01/28/19 10:12am

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embmmusic said:



databank said:




luvsexy4all said:


no one's answered the question...R THESE remastered???




On a sidenote, I'm a bit puzzled by those artists remastering album published after 1995 or so.



Have you heard the remaster of OK Computer? It sounds phenomenal, especially on vinyl.


I don't really trip on Radiohead but OK, that's interesting.
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Reply #196 posted 01/28/19 11:24am

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databank said:

Susan once explained that in her days, different masters were made for LP's and CD's (she didn't say about cassettes), so technically there are at least 2 masters for each album that was released on both formats, and those may have been slightly remastered for the LP format, but given that it would have involved extra costs, it's likely that they weren't and what we have is the CD masters on LP.

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Production masters (that are used for duplication) require different EQ-curves for different formats and there are differences in the maximum dynamic range they can handle and of course an LP required two separate reels of production master tapes (one for each side) while a cassette required one 4-track production master with the B-side running backwards so that the whole tape could be duplicated in one go, etc etc. There are many differences.

Creating these different production masters for different formats is not the same process as what the general public usually means on 'remastering'.

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And there's no such thing as "a CD master on LP". If you play back an LP production master tape, it will actually sound worse than the LP that was produced from it. It is because its EQ curve is designed to sound good on the finished product, not directly on the master.

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Reply #197 posted 01/28/19 11:22pm

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Kares said:

databank said:

Susan once explained that in her days, different masters were made for LP's and CD's (she didn't say about cassettes), so technically there are at least 2 masters for each album that was released on both formats, and those may have been slightly remastered for the LP format, but given that it would have involved extra costs, it's likely that they weren't and what we have is the CD masters on LP.

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Production masters (that are used for duplication) require different EQ-curves for different formats and there are differences in the maximum dynamic range they can handle and of course an LP required two separate reels of production master tapes (one for each side) while a cassette required one 4-track production master with the B-side running backwards so that the whole tape could be duplicated in one go, etc etc. There are many differences.

Creating these different production masters for different formats is not the same process as what the general public usually means on 'remastering'.

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And there's no such thing as "a CD master on LP". If you play back an LP production master tape, it will actually sound worse than the LP that was produced from it. It is because its EQ curve is designed to sound good on the finished product, not directly on the master.

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Thx for those explainations.

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I am, however, confused: the old CDs we have (FY to Lovesexy), that everyone complains sound awful, are not straight from the original LP masters? What about the better sounding versions on HD tracks? New masters were created for each?

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Also, what else is involved in remastering except EQ-curves and dynamic levels? I thought remastering was all about those?

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Thanks for your help hug

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Reply #198 posted 01/28/19 11:54pm

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As someone non-technical I do know that there is quite a difference in sound waves possible on vinyl vs CD. This might not be right terminology but vinyl can "hold" a wider waveform than CD which is therefore "compressed". Similarly MP3 compress even further. That is why music sounds "warmer" on vinyl and (many argue) better.

That is why, I assume, back in the 80s there needed to be separate masters for the different end products (apart from actual production requirements mentioned above it also needed to reflect sound wavelength for each technology).

It is easy the find info on the internet about this but this site gives a good explanation (I will paste an extract below)...

https://electronics.howst...r-dvds.htm


"...by definition, a digital recording is not capturing the complete sound wave. It is approximating it with a series of steps. Some sounds that have very quick transitions, such as a drum beat or a trumpet's tone, will be distorted because they change too quickly for the sample rate.

In your home stereo the CD or DVD player takes this digital recording and converts it to an analog signal, which is fed to your amplifier. The amplifier then raises the voltage of the signal to a level powerful enough to drive your speaker.

A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost. The output of a record player is analog. It can be fed directly to your amplifier with no conversion.

This means that the waveforms from a vinyl recording can be much more accurate, and that can be heard in the richness of the sound. But there is a downside, any specks of dust or damage to the disc can be heard as noise or static. During quiet spots in songs this noise may be heard over the music. Digital recordings don't degrade over time, and if the digital recording contains silence, then there will be no noise."

So albums recorded in analogue studio equipment (80s and before) rather than digital require remastering to counteract the drop in sound waves that results from transferring from analogue masters to CDs. They "clean it up" and play with the balance etc (wrong words again I know) so any loss (that would not have happened on Vinyl) is addressed for CD in a new master.

That of course doesn't address the point on Kate Bush 2011 albums BUT personally I think that is just a marketing gimmick and labelling for consumers (clearly her 70s and 80s albums have been remastered).

Also read this...

https://musicfans.stackex...ered/12#12

And this...

https://www.popularmechan...ld-albums/

"The process is also an act of preservation. For many albums, the original master tapes were so valuable that engineers made what's called a production master—a second version that could be played constantly for duplication. Overuse often degraded production masters, which is why many compact discs from the 1990s, which used them as a template, have compromised bass and tinny sounds at certain frequencies. So remastering engineers go back to the original tapes. "We used first-generation masters, the sounds the band themselves heard in the studio, for everything on the In Utero reissue," says engineer Steve Albini, who worked on the remaster of Nirvana's final album. "The result is a definitive vinyl mold of a cultural artifact."
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