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Reply #240 posted 07/26/18 11:04pm

CatB

purplefam99 said:

CatB said:



Yes, especially since none of us had ever heard he had heart palpitations (which doesn't necessarily have to mean anything, of course...). Mayte didn't know and one of the other girls from before her time was totally surprised when I mentioned it.

It is also strange that it was red wine. He never drank red wine. When he drank then port.



Judith mentions prince drinking Cognac in the report.



Judith wasn't even around in the 90's


Back to topic.


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Reply #241 posted 07/27/18 3:36am

paulludvig

peggyon said:



Bodhitheblackdog said:




precioux said:



Like ISLIJAG said...there's a possibility that answer is in the DEA files...but I would think if it was found, it would've had to be listed. It does prove that he was taking things other than the illicit pills and what KJ gave him, and that's a fact Jack.



And so we come to the inevitable conclusion that his brain and thought processes were so compromised by the toxic soup his brain (and body) cells were bathed in that there is NO WAY we can place ourselves in his size 7 boots and try to track OR EVEN UNDERSTAND his thought processes. Have any of you here tried to have a logical, sensible, linear, reality based conversation with someone who has opioiod brain?





Maybe he kept a stash of hydromorphone from Dr. D days. Perhaps he had a super hiding place that was not discovered. He seemed to love Dilaudid.



He seems to love Dilaudid? Where did you get that idea?
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Reply #242 posted 07/27/18 7:02am

kmama07

Camileyun said:

PennyPurple said:



peggyon said:




PennyPurple said:


Thanks but Penny is about to give up.


AND, this isn't my thread. I didn't start it, nor did I ask for it to be started.



Now about that vomit...





I'll take a stab at it. I wonder if it was a large amount of saliva. When I have vomited in the past, I have produced alot of saliva first. He could have been leaning against the walls of the elevator and "thrown up" the saliva/drool. I would need to consult with a professional to determine if Fentanyl would have circulated to his saliva/drool/vomit.



But that would be a HUGE amount of saliva.


I thought that it could be a drink that was thrown but no cup or glass was found.


If it was someone else's vomit, surely Prince would have not just left it there and would have someone clean it up?.. I mean who would want to use the elevator where vomit was that dripped down the wall where you push the buttons?


People have said that he hated elevators, but Judith and I believe Kirk said it wasn't unusual for him to use the elevator.


He did have that party there and someone else could've used the elevator and vomited in it. But that should''ve been cleaned up AND LE said that it looked 'wet' and vomit was in his mouth.


He could have vomited and then took the pills??


I thought someone on here had a good explanation (Bodhi?). KJ said P. was having bad withdrawal symptoms when he drove him home. He could have vomited on the way upstairs and went to his bedroom to take something to feel better, then went back to the elevator to go eat or whatever. Just a possibility.

I was also thinking this could be a possibility
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Reply #243 posted 07/27/18 7:39am

paulludvig

kmama07 said:

Camileyun said:


I thought someone on here had a good explanation (Bodhi?). KJ said P. was having bad withdrawal symptoms when he drove him home. He could have vomited on the way upstairs and went to his bedroom to take something to feel better, then went back to the elevator to go eat or whatever. Just a possibility.

I was also thinking this could be a possibility


Test taken immediately before showed he had opioids in his system, so symptoms of withdrawal not likely.
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Reply #244 posted 07/27/18 7:42am

precioux

paulludvig said:

kmama07 said:
I was also thinking this could be a possibility
Test taken immediately before showed he had opioids in his system, so symptoms of withdrawal not likely.

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Reply #245 posted 07/27/18 7:47am

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PennyPurple said:

Are we all on the same page about the vomit? That he probably vomited before he took the fentanyl laced pill(s)?

If we are, then when got at least 1 thing settled.

I believe that too, it's the only thing that sounds plausible to me.

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Reply #246 posted 07/27/18 8:53am

Nola

Kirk's concern about a stain on the carpet is one of the many things that has bugged me since I read the reports. I continue to maintain that Prince's home wasn't exactly immaculate despite having paid cleaners to take care of it. Housecleaning staff was Meron's responsibility. With all the other suspicious details that track back to Kirk, his (seemingly) sudden interest in cleaning a carpet stains so soon after Prince's death seems like a red flag to me. Would it have been incriminating in some way? I guess we'll never know now. I don't recall that any pictures of the stain were included in the reports - it was just something that was mentioned later on I believe - that an officer came upon Kirk directing a cleaning staff member to remove the stain.

Camileyun said:

Do any of the pictures taken by the LE include the area where the stain was that KJ was so concerned about?

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Reply #247 posted 07/27/18 9:20am

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Nola said:

Kirk's concern about a stain on the carpet is one of the many things that has bugged me since I read the reports. I continue to maintain that Prince's home wasn't exactly immaculate despite having paid cleaners to take care of it. Housecleaning staff was Meron's responsibility. With all the other suspicious details that track back to Kirk, his (seemingly) sudden interest in cleaning a carpet stains so soon after Prince's death seems like a red flag to me. Would it have been incriminating in some way? I guess we'll never know now. I don't recall that any pictures of the stain were included in the reports - it was just something that was mentioned later on I believe - that an officer came upon Kirk directing a cleaning staff member to remove the stain.

Camileyun said:

Do any of the pictures taken by the LE include the area where the stain was that KJ was so concerned about?

Do you know where the stain was located at?

I did see 1 stain on the carpet in the white bedroom with the round bed.

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Reply #248 posted 07/27/18 9:25am

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PennyPurple said:

Nola said:

Kirk's concern about a stain on the carpet is one of the many things that has bugged me since I read the reports. I continue to maintain that Prince's home wasn't exactly immaculate despite having paid cleaners to take care of it. Housecleaning staff was Meron's responsibility. With all the other suspicious details that track back to Kirk, his (seemingly) sudden interest in cleaning a carpet stains so soon after Prince's death seems like a red flag to me. Would it have been incriminating in some way? I guess we'll never know now. I don't recall that any pictures of the stain were included in the reports - it was just something that was mentioned later on I believe - that an officer came upon Kirk directing a cleaning staff member to remove the stain.

Do you know where the stain was located at?

I did see 1 stain on the carpet in the white bedroom with the round bed.

The stain was mentioned by Theo London on his tape. It was on the main floor. The investigator interviewer questions TL, trying to pinpoint the exact location of the stain, it was somewhere in the vicinity of the elevator.

Has it been mentioned anywhere -- what was P's reaction or was there a reaction or did he notice that someone had been through his area and removed his meds? Did KJ tell him? I'll go through Thread 11.

[Edited 7/27/18 9:31am]

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Reply #249 posted 07/27/18 9:26am

Bodhitheblackd
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precioux said:

paulludvig said:

kmama07 said: Test taken immediately before showed he had opioids in his system, so symptoms of withdrawal not likely.

thumbs up!

exactly...the vomiting was most likely due to the damage to his GI track from his drug use, NOT a symptom of withdrawel as he clearly was NOT in full withdrawel as he had lots of drugs in his system. It's reasonable to assume the Narcan in Moline made it difficult (if not impossible) for him to calibrate and experience the maintenance high he had been operating under for who knows how long. Back to his GI tract...I still believe we need to drill down on alternaive ways he may have used to get the drugs (especially the final dose) into his system as he KNEW there was a likelihood of regurgitation and IMO he wanted that last dose to be his last dose. The ME was looking for nasal sprays, do we know if the enema bags were tested for Fent? and was there Fent. on his hands?

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Reply #250 posted 07/27/18 9:38am

PennyPurple

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

thumbs up!

exactly...the vomiting was most likely due to the damage to his GI track from his drug use, NOT a symptom of withdrawel as he clearly was NOT in full withdrawel as he had lots of drugs in his system. It's reasonable to assume the Narcan in Moline made it difficult (if not impossible) for him to calibrate and experience the maintenance high he had been operating under for who knows how long. Back to his GI tract...I still believe we need to drill down on alternaive ways he may have used to get the drugs (especially the final dose) into his system as he KNEW there was a likelihood of regurgitation and IMO he wanted that last dose to be his last dose. The ME was looking for nasal sprays, do we know if the enema bags were tested for Fent? and was there Fent. on his hands?

Some of the enema's were tested and came up negative for any drug. Nasal sprays and eye drops were also tested and came up negative. Can't find the results on the swabs on the hands and neck.

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Reply #251 posted 07/27/18 10:08am

precioux

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

exactly...the vomiting was most likely due to the damage to his GI track from his drug use, NOT a symptom of withdrawel as he clearly was NOT in full withdrawel as he had lots of drugs in his system. It's reasonable to assume the Narcan in Moline made it difficult (if not impossible) for him to calibrate and experience the maintenance high he had been operating under for who knows how long. Back to his GI tract...I still believe we need to drill down on alternaive ways he may have used to get the drugs (especially the final dose) into his system as he KNEW there was a likelihood of regurgitation and IMO he wanted that last dose to be his last dose. The ME was looking for nasal sprays, do we know if the enema bags were tested for Fent? and was there Fent. on his hands?

Some of the enema's were tested and came up negative for any drug. Nasal sprays and eye drops were also tested and came up negative. Can't find the results on the swabs on the hands and neck.

I was fixing to reply verbatim...but add that I'm almost postitive the swab results never came back, or should I say the results were never documented.

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Reply #252 posted 07/27/18 10:08am

paulludvig

PennyPurple said:



Bodhitheblackdog said:




precioux said:



thumbs up!



exactly...the vomiting was most likely due to the damage to his GI track from his drug use, NOT a symptom of withdrawel as he clearly was NOT in full withdrawel as he had lots of drugs in his system. It's reasonable to assume the Narcan in Moline made it difficult (if not impossible) for him to calibrate and experience the maintenance high he had been operating under for who knows how long. Back to his GI tract...I still believe we need to drill down on alternaive ways he may have used to get the drugs (especially the final dose) into his system as he KNEW there was a likelihood of regurgitation and IMO he wanted that last dose to be his last dose. The ME was looking for nasal sprays, do we know if the enema bags were tested for Fent? and was there Fent. on his hands?



Some of the enema's were tested and came up negative for any drug. Nasal sprays and eye drops were also tested and came up negative. Can't find the results on the swabs on the hands and neck.



The testing of nasal spray, eye drops and such shows that the investigators were puzzled by this too.
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Reply #253 posted 07/27/18 10:28am

1Sasha

He apparently did not have any Fentanyl patches - many addicts suck the drug out of the patches, so if his mouth was swabbed, it would have appeared (I assume). Plus, the patches would have been found after his death.

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Reply #254 posted 07/27/18 10:48am

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precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Some of the enema's were tested and came up negative for any drug. Nasal sprays and eye drops were also tested and came up negative. Can't find the results on the swabs on the hands and neck.

I was fixing to reply verbatim...but add that I'm almost postitive the swab results never came back, or should I say the results were never documented.

I'm wondering if they are in part of the documents that weren't released? I would think that those swabs would be key to an investigation.

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Reply #255 posted 07/27/18 10:51am

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paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

Some of the enema's were tested and came up negative for any drug. Nasal sprays and eye drops were also tested and came up negative. Can't find the results on the swabs on the hands and neck.

The testing of nasal spray, eye drops and such shows that the investigators were puzzled by this too.

The ME was concerned because of the level of fentanyl in the blood. She asked about eye drops, nasal spray, etc. When the results from the stomach came back, she said that the fentanyl was injested by mouth.

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Reply #256 posted 07/27/18 11:05am

paulludvig

PennyPurple said:



paulludvig said:


PennyPurple said:


Some of the enema's were tested and came up negative for any drug. Nasal sprays and eye drops were also tested and came up negative. Can't find the results on the swabs on the hands and neck.



The testing of nasal spray, eye drops and such shows that the investigators were puzzled by this too.

The ME was concerned because of the level of fentanyl in the blood. She asked about eye drops, nasal spray, etc. When the results from the stomach came back, she said that the fentanyl was injested by mouth.



But no undigested pills in his stomach and no trace of narcs in the vomit? It IS a little strange, isn't it?
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Reply #257 posted 07/27/18 11:18am

1Sasha

This might sound nutty, but was PP ever checked for hidden spaces? I know they found a couple of spaces with notebooks IIRC, but was the place really checked - say with a sonar device or something similar - for hidden areas, where he could store things and no one would know?

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Reply #258 posted 07/27/18 11:20am

SkipperLove

No undigested pills but there was fentanyl in his stomach though, so he must have consumed it somehow. There was no evidence of struggle so it doesn't sound like anyone forced him to consume the fentanyl. Could it be patches that he sucked on and then someone got rid of the patches before the cops arrived--and they were so busy getting rid of those, they missed getting rid of the actual pills. Or maybe due to the absense of food in his stomach, his stomach digested the actual pills pretty quickly. I don't think the cops have any reason to ignore facts that look like murder, so I think we need an expert on this stuff. But I do wonder about that mysterious other bodyguard (whose supposed name escapes me). If he supplied Prince with something and then left with the evidence (and it was patches).


Also people keep talking about the enemas being testsed for fentanyl but did they state one way or the other that they had proof that P actually used the enemas. Is it possible he hadn't started using them yet?


I do think this might prove that P wasn't a long-time fentanyl user and might have gotten those Bayer, Advil bottles of mystery dope on the road. Or if he did dabble in it, he was avoiding using it most of the time except when he started using it again that last night and in Atlanta on the 16th.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

The ME was concerned because of the level of fentanyl in the blood. She asked about eye drops, nasal spray, etc. When the results from the stomach came back, she said that the fentanyl was injested by mouth.

But no undigested pills in his stomach and no trace of narcs in the vomit? It IS a little strange, isn't it?

[Edited 7/27/18 11:25am]

[Edited 7/27/18 11:30am]

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Reply #259 posted 07/27/18 11:27am

SkipperLove

Good question. Also checking the homes of others who worked for him who might have stored some of his 'dope". Meron went back to her house after the cops took her back (by her request). And then it seems she lawyered up and they never talked to her again. Could she have been keeping junk at her place?

1Sasha said:

This might sound nutty, but was PP ever checked for hidden spaces? I know they found a couple of spaces with notebooks IIRC, but was the place really checked - say with a sonar device or something similar - for hidden areas, where he could store things and no one would know?

[Edited 7/27/18 11:29am]

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Reply #260 posted 07/27/18 11:34am

SkipperLove

Did they prove it was his vomit? Could someone else had vomited when they found his corpse? Or maybe he was sick from something else as well and the vomit was older.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

The ME was concerned because of the level of fentanyl in the blood. She asked about eye drops, nasal spray, etc. When the results from the stomach came back, she said that the fentanyl was injested by mouth.

But no undigested pills in his stomach and no trace of narcs in the vomit? It IS a little strange, isn't it?

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Reply #261 posted 07/27/18 11:37am

purplefam99

Lovejunky said:



precioux said:




Lovejunky said:



She said he wore his undershirt INSIDE OUT




Agree on the inside out part, but didn't Kim Berry also state P did photo shoots wearing shirts backwards? There is one in particular where it is a black turtleneck with the sleeves cut off and shirt is backwards. Well circulated pic



This is a very different thing...


He did that for artistic affect...


Putting his pants on backwards would have felt uncomfortable.Try it..


Ive done it by accident and it was just weird...felt it straight away...


and same with putting on a sweatshirt..it just doesnt sit proerly and pulls around the arm and neck area...


I dont think for a single second he put his overshirt and pants on backwards deliberately


UNLESS he was trying to send a message...



Lovejunky what do you think of the chocolate OD pic
I think the neck of that shirt could be on backwards. It seems lower than natural.
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Reply #262 posted 07/27/18 11:48am

precioux

SkipperLove said:

No undigested pills but there was fentanyl in his stomach though, so he must have consumed it somehow. There was no evidence of struggle so it doesn't sound like anyone forced him to consume the fentanyl. Could it be patches that he sucked on and then someone got rid of the patches before the cops arrived--and they were so busy getting rid of those, they missed getting rid of the actual pills. Or maybe due to the absense of food in his stomach, his stomach digested the actual pills pretty quickly. I don't think the cops have any reason to ignore facts that look like murder, so I think we need an expert on this stuff. But I do wonder about that mysterious other bodyguard (whose supposed name escapes me). If he supplied Prince with something and then left with the evidence (and it was patches).


Also people keep talking about the enemas being testsed for fentanyl but did they state one way or the other that they had proof that P actually used the enemas. Is it possible he hadn't started using them yet?


I do think this might prove that P wasn't a long-time fentanyl user and might have gotten those Bayer, Advil bottles of mystery dope on the road. Or if he did dabble in it, he was avoiding using it most of the time except when he started using it again that last night and in Atlanta on the 16th.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said: But no undigested pills in his stomach and no trace of narcs in the vomit? It IS a little strange, isn't it?

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[Edited 7/27/18 11:30am]

To the bold/underline. Yes, proof that P used these enemas- his DNA was found as well as a pubic har being tested and coming back as his.

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Reply #263 posted 07/27/18 11:49am

precioux

SkipperLove said:

Did they prove it was his vomit? Could someone else had vomited when they found his corpse? Or maybe he was sick from something else as well and the vomit was older.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said: But no undigested pills in his stomach and no trace of narcs in the vomit? It IS a little strange, isn't it?

No. I don't even think it was proven that the 'wet substance' tested was in fact vomit. We are assuming this because of the vomit that was found in Prince's airway/throat.

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Reply #264 posted 07/27/18 11:55am

paulludvig

precioux said:



SkipperLove said:


Did they prove it was his vomit? Could someone else had vomited when they found his corpse? Or maybe he was sick from something else as well and the vomit was older.



paulludvig said:


PennyPurple said: But no undigested pills in his stomach and no trace of narcs in the vomit? It IS a little strange, isn't it?



No. I don't even think it was proven that the 'wet substance' tested was in fact vomit. We are assuming this because of the vomit that was found in Prince's airway/throat.



But no trace of narcotics in his airway/throat either, as far as I recall.
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Reply #265 posted 07/27/18 12:00pm

SkipperLove

Thanks. So maybe it just proves that fentanyl was not his opiate of choice most of the time.

precioux said:

SkipperLove said:

No undigested pills but there was fentanyl in his stomach though, so he must have consumed it somehow. There was no evidence of struggle so it doesn't sound like anyone forced him to consume the fentanyl. Could it be patches that he sucked on and then someone got rid of the patches before the cops arrived--and they were so busy getting rid of those, they missed getting rid of the actual pills. Or maybe due to the absense of food in his stomach, his stomach digested the actual pills pretty quickly. I don't think the cops have any reason to ignore facts that look like murder, so I think we need an expert on this stuff. But I do wonder about that mysterious other bodyguard (whose supposed name escapes me). If he supplied Prince with something and then left with the evidence (and it was patches).


Also people keep talking about the enemas being testsed for fentanyl but did they state one way or the other that they had proof that P actually used the enemas. Is it possible he hadn't started using them yet?


I do think this might prove that P wasn't a long-time fentanyl user and might have gotten those Bayer, Advil bottles of mystery dope on the road. Or if he did dabble in it, he was avoiding using it most of the time except when he started using it again that last night and in Atlanta on the 16th.

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[Edited 7/27/18 11:30am]

To the bold/underline. Yes, proof that P used these enemas- his DNA was found as well as a pubic har being tested and coming back as his.

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Reply #266 posted 07/27/18 12:13pm

SkipperLove

But Narcan blocks nerve sensors and sends you into withdrawal. . He doesn't appear to have been on Fentanyl again until the 21st. . . Withdrawal is a common symptom of its usage. Fentanyl withdrawal starts about 12 to 30 hours after the last usage of fentanyl. And can last to up to four days. HE may have had opiates in his system but they may have been somewhat ineffectual due to the fact that he was withdrawing from the stronger fentanyl. Maybe that is why he turned to harder stuff the night he died, trying to get some kind of relief the other drugs weren't giving him or just trying to end it period.'

https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/fentanyl-addiction/related-topics/fentanyl-withdrawal-symptoms-duration/#gref

paulludvig said:

kmama07 said:
I was also thinking this could be a possibility
Test taken immediately before showed he had opioids in his system, so symptoms of withdrawal not likely.

[Edited 7/27/18 12:20pm]

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Reply #267 posted 07/27/18 12:16pm

SkipperLove

Are you sure about that? If it was in his stomach, he would have had to had swallowed it.

paulludvig said:

precioux said:

No. I don't even think it was proven that the 'wet substance' tested was in fact vomit. We are assuming this because of the vomit that was found in Prince's airway/throat.

But no trace of narcotics in his airway/throat either, as far as I recall.

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Reply #268 posted 07/27/18 12:19pm

purplefam99

SkipperLove said:

No undigested pills but there was fentanyl in his stomach though, so he must have consumed it somehow. There was no evidence of struggle so it doesn't sound like anyone forced him to consume the fentanyl. Could it be patches that he sucked on and then someone got rid of the patches before the cops arrived--and they were so busy getting rid of those, they missed getting rid of the actual pills. Or maybe due to the absense of food in his stomach, his stomach digested the actual pills pretty quickly. I don't think the cops have any reason to ignore facts that look like murder, so I think we need an expert on this stuff. But I do wonder about that mysterious other bodyguard (whose supposed name escapes me). If he supplied Prince with something and then left with the evidence (and it was patches).




Also people keep talking about the enemas being testsed for fentanyl but did they state one way or the other that they had proof that P actually used the enemas. Is it possible he hadn't started using them yet?



I do think this might prove that P wasn't a long-time fentanyl user and might have gotten those Bayer, Advil bottles of mystery dope on the road. Or if he did dabble in it, he was avoiding using it most of the time except when he started using it again that last night and in Atlanta on the 16th.



paulludvig said:


PennyPurple said:


The ME was concerned because of the level of fentanyl in the blood. She asked about eye drops, nasal spray, etc. When the results from the stomach came back, she said that the fentanyl was injested by mouth.



But no undigested pills in his stomach and no trace of narcs in the vomit? It IS a little strange, isn't it?


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[Edited 7/27/18 11:30am]



Could he have had lollipops, that were gotten rid of.
The pops he was always sucking on in the 90’s gave me pause.
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Reply #269 posted 07/27/18 12:22pm

SkipperLove

The lollipops he was sucking on resemble blow pops, not these...

Image result for fentanyl lollipop

purplefam99 said:

SkipperLove said:

No undigested pills but there was fentanyl in his stomach though, so he must have consumed it somehow. There was no evidence of struggle so it doesn't sound like anyone forced him to consume the fentanyl. Could it be patches that he sucked on and then someone got rid of the patches before the cops arrived--and they were so busy getting rid of those, they missed getting rid of the actual pills. Or maybe due to the absense of food in his stomach, his stomach digested the actual pills pretty quickly. I don't think the cops have any reason to ignore facts that look like murder, so I think we need an expert on this stuff. But I do wonder about that mysterious other bodyguard (whose supposed name escapes me). If he supplied Prince with something and then left with the evidence (and it was patches).


Also people keep talking about the enemas being testsed for fentanyl but did they state one way or the other that they had proof that P actually used the enemas. Is it possible he hadn't started using them yet?


I do think this might prove that P wasn't a long-time fentanyl user and might have gotten those Bayer, Advil bottles of mystery dope on the road. Or if he did dabble in it, he was avoiding using it most of the time except when he started using it again that last night and in Atlanta on the 16th.

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[Edited 7/27/18 11:30am]

Could he have had lollipops, that were gotten rid of. The pops he was always sucking on in the 90’s gave me pause.

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