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Reply #150 posted 07/26/18 1:40pm

precioux

In red is your suggestion-care to explain yourself as to how your THEORY of KJ being black could have anything to do with him being fingered as the offender? When ALL of the parties were black? Let's hear your rationale behind your thought process. Step up to the plate, and hope you don't shut this thread down by CONTINUING TO PUSH THE ISSUE.

purplefam99 said:

precioux said:





RE: sticking your nose where it doesn't belong + bringing up a grievance from a previous thread

Do yourself a favor and go back and look at the ORIGINAL response to purplefam99, you will see a playful atmosphere. When pf99 continued pushing the ridiculous, race baiting card-pf99 got his/her booty! handed to her. Don't come around here with that shit and there won't be any-keep up on that topic and see where it gets this thread. You've been warned.


FYI the insinuation was that KJ was deemed 'offender' in Prince's death because KJ was black- are you phuecling kidding me?? Prince was black, Phaedra was black, Meron was black....Imma tell you like I told pf99...get a phuecking grip already.

i don't feel that i pushed. i just offered a suggestion as to why the investigation may have been handled so

poorly.

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Reply #151 posted 07/26/18 2:06pm

PennyPurple

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Well I hope for as much trouble as I've been in this week that this thread won't be shut down now. mad Seriously.

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Reply #152 posted 07/26/18 2:12pm

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PennyPurple said:

Well I hope for as much trouble as I've been in this week that this thread won't be shut down now. mad Seriously.

co-sign....people are emotional on this thread bc it's far more disturbing than the topic of Prince's worst album cover...but everyone needs to take a deep breath. xoxo

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Reply #153 posted 07/26/18 2:28pm

Camileyun

PennyPurple said:

Well I hope for as much trouble as I've been in this week that this thread won't be shut down now. mad Seriously.



?? We're just having a discussion. You're good pat
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Reply #154 posted 07/26/18 2:33pm

Camileyun

ChocolateBox3121 said:



Camileyun said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:


Prince was in complete damage control and Kirky J's kicked in also.



Yes! It seemed like a reflex action, like he was stuck in one gear all the time, the control the narrative gear. He seemed oblivious to his own well being and went straight for damage control, as you said,... immediately, before the fog cleared! He had to have been here before, IMO.

Prince wanted them COMPLETELY out of his business. He DID NOT want this leaked ANYWHERE. He wanted out of that hospital as soon as possible and the least they knew the better. But the return Jet wasn't ready yet.


Yes, and this is where I say someone should've tried to talk some sense into him. The doctor tried several times to no avail.
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Reply #155 posted 07/26/18 2:46pm

paulludvig

purplefam99 said:



PennyPurple said:




paulludvig said:



So now his music making is reduced to an addiction? I wonder what's left of him once you're done? Addiction, only addiction.

Huh? Stop trying to find an arguement in everything a poster says. It's getting old. We get it, you don't like this thread, so move on.



it is good he is here, helps maintain some sort of balance. Salt and pepper. imo



Thanks Purplefam99! I am not against this thread, but I am a bit worried that speculation repeated often enough ends up being taken as fact. As far as music making being an addiction - it was his job. He took that seriously and went to work every day. It was also his hobby, something he loved to do. In that respect he was really lucky.
[Edited 7/26/18 15:24pm]
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #156 posted 07/26/18 3:01pm

purplefam99

precioux said:

In red is your suggestion-care to explain yourself as to how your THEORY of KJ being black could have anything to do with him being fingered as the offender? When ALL of the parties were black? Let's hear your rationale behind your thought process. Step up to the plate, and hope you don't shut this thread down by CONTINUING TO PUSH THE ISSUE.



purplefam99 said:




precioux said:







RE: sticking your nose where it doesn't belong + bringing up a grievance from a previous thread



Do yourself a favor and go back and look at the ORIGINAL response to purplefam99, you will see a playful atmosphere. When pf99 continued pushing the ridiculous, race baiting card-pf99 got his/her booty! handed to her. Don't come around here with that shit and there won't be any-keep up on that topic and see where it gets this thread. You've been warned.


FYI the insinuation was that KJ was deemed 'offender' in Prince's death because KJ was black- are you phuecling kidding me?? Prince was black, Phaedra was black, Meron was black....Imma tell you like I told pf99...get a phuecking grip already.



i don't feel that i pushed. i just offered a suggestion as to why the investigation may have been handled so


poorly.




My 2 posts in part 11 were about the investigative sloppiness
And my only point was that sometimes “black on black “ crime
Hasn’t been a priority in some police departments and that may have
Factored in as reason it was handled so poorly

The stuff in red I didn’t type.
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Reply #157 posted 07/26/18 3:08pm

Camileyun

purplefam99 said:

precioux said:

In red is your suggestion-care to explain yourself as to how your THEORY of KJ being black could have anything to do with him being fingered as the offender? When ALL of the parties were black? Let's hear your rationale behind your thought process. Step up to the plate, and hope you don't shut this thread down by CONTINUING TO PUSH THE ISSUE.



purplefam99 said:




precioux said:







RE: sticking your nose where it doesn't belong + bringing up a grievance from a previous thread



Do yourself a favor and go back and look at the ORIGINAL response to purplefam99, you will see a playful atmosphere. When pf99 continued pushing the ridiculous, race baiting card-pf99 got his/her booty! handed to her. Don't come around here with that shit and there won't be any-keep up on that topic and see where it gets this thread. You've been warned.


FYI the insinuation was that KJ was deemed 'offender' in Prince's death because KJ was black- are you phuecling kidding me?? Prince was black, Phaedra was black, Meron was black....Imma tell you like I told pf99...get a phuecking grip already.



i don't feel that i pushed. i just offered a suggestion as to why the investigation may have been handled so


poorly.




My 2 posts in part 11 were about the investigative sloppiness
And my only point was that sometimes “black on black “ crime
Hasn’t been a priority in some police departments and that may have
Factored in as reason it was handled so poorly

The stuff in red I didn’t type.


I'm looking for the shovel emoticon that is digging a hole deeper.
shhh
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Reply #158 posted 07/26/18 3:09pm

purplefam99

paulludvig said:

purplefam99 said:



PennyPurple said:




paulludvig said:



So now his music making is reduced to an addiction? I wonder what's left of him once you're done? Addiction, only addiction.

Huh? Stop trying to find an arguement in everything a poster says. It's getting old. We get it, you don't like this thread, so move on.



it is good he is here, helps maintain some sort of balance. Salt and pepper. imo



Thanks Purplefam99! I am not against this thread, but I am a bit worried that speculation repeted often enough ends up being taken as fact. As far as music making being an addiction - it was his job. He took that seriously and went to work every day. It was also his hobby, something he loved to do. In that respect he was really lucky.



Agree, and bonatoc (poster) in the ‘prince having hand pain’ thread
Puts out a friendly warning about ‘confirmation bias’ constructive criticism
Is helpful in threads esp the passionate ones.
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Reply #159 posted 07/26/18 3:31pm

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Camile and Purplefam can you please stop to continue your feud in the thread? Because this is what Penny meant when she said she doesn't want the thread to get shut down. We are lucky to have the thread and you are derailing it if you keep discussing on what one has said/written or not.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."


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Reply #160 posted 07/26/18 3:45pm

purplefam99

ThatWhiteDude said:

Camile and Purplefam can you please stop to continue your feud in the thread? Because this is what Penny meant when she said she doesn't want the thread to get shut down. We are lucky to have the thread and you are derailing it if you keep discussing on what one has said/written or not.




I don’t think camile and I have spoken.
Thr discussing is about the investigation.
And with all due TWD, this interaction is but a blink
Compared to the bitter back and forth you and LR would engage in.
Fair enough tho I’ll call it done.
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Reply #161 posted 07/26/18 3:45pm

Camileyun

ThatWhiteDude said:

Camile and Purplefam can you please stop to continue your feud in the thread? Because this is what Penny meant when she said she doesn't want the thread to get shut down. We are lucky to have the thread and you are derailing it if you keep discussing on what one has said/written or not.


Dude, Camile is not feuding with Purplefam, please reread this thread. reading
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Reply #162 posted 07/26/18 3:47pm

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Then it's precioux with purplefam, my brain mixed it up.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."


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Reply #163 posted 07/26/18 4:03pm

Bodhitheblackd
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ThatWhiteDude said:

Then it's precioux with purplefam, my brain mixed it up.

everyone...step away from your computer.....

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Reply #164 posted 07/26/18 4:59pm

Camileyun

Bodhitheblackdog said:



ThatWhiteDude said:


Then it's precioux with purplefam, my brain mixed it up.



everyone...step away from your computer.....



innocent for how long? bored
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Reply #165 posted 07/26/18 6:03pm

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facedown20160421 said:


(Apologies for the delay ñ had to go back to Carver documents to find information. I will try and cite the information sources from here on in.)

For more info see Prince's Death Investigation: Part 11" page 34


1. Agree - Prince was a tyrant. You did what he said or you were out.

2. Agree - Prince was secretive.

3. If Prince had allowed doctors to examine him and directly requested prescriptions for the prescription drugs he needed, perhaps he would still be alive. (Unless someone wanted him dead.)

4. Some people are hoping that the real Prince is not actually dead. Sorry, but if you look closely at photos all the way from the first album ìFor Youî period through to the death scene you will see the same ears and hands, and in particular the same thumb joint. It is all the same man. For those who think the real Prince died after Parade/Under the Cherry Moon, examine the ears and hands all the way through and you will see it is the same man. (With plastic surgery to make one person look like another, they focus on the face. The hands and ears in particular are very unique and usually not part of any plastic surgery.)

5. Rooms in Paisley Park are messy in the investigation photos partly because they are performing searches and going through boxes to search for things. So when I see a box of things turned out in the investigation photos I think it is probably due to the investigation. I donít think things would usually have been lying scattered all over the floor (like in the room with the washing machine and Pís clothes). I donít think this means the place was not being cleaned regularly.

6. In Investigative Reports #1 page 14 it says swabs for DNA were taken from Pís hands and neck items #14,15,16 ñ I think this is to see if anyone left their DNA on P. I couldnít find the test results for these swabs in the files. (I donít believe the story of KJ dressing P so that he would not be found naked because I know one person can leave DNA on another person and it can be found, so to me it would not have been worth KJ risking leaving DNA on Pís body just to dress him.) I wonder if it is standard practice to look for another personís DNA and whether they found anything.

7. Investigative Reports #2 page 59 pt 122 mentions the clothes discarded in the bathroom and they did not appear to have vomit on them (NOTE: THEY WERE ALSO LOOKING FOR VOMIT). The clothes were to be tested but I canít find any test results for these items. (The overlapping numbering of items in the various reports makes it difficult to track down all the items and associated findings.)

8. 20160426 swabs from elevator were taken. Description can be found in Investigative Reports #2 page 19. ìThe pattern seen on the metal showed that the liquid substance ran down the metal and there was a small pool of the dried liquid on the floor of the elevator.î

9. Vomit in airways was noted by paramedics and is mentioned in Investigative Reports #1 page 78 pt 14-16. Elsewhere P isnít eating much but probably drinking the grape juice and water so for the vomit to be liquid fits with this (no chunky food present).

10. If a person takes a tablet and feels unwell then they may try to vomit and bring it up. But by this point the tablet needs to have dissolved and be in the stomach, and therefore the drug should show up in the vomit if it is true that the drug was ingested.

11. Investigative Reports #2 page 54 pt 103 ñ a high amount of Fentanyl in Pís blood from the autopsy 67.8 mcg/l, (compared to a cancer patient using a fentanyl patch with 3-5 mcg/l). Urine tests from the autopsy also show Oxycodone and Hydrocodone.Investigative Reports #1 page 39 pt 66 Medical Examiner informs of the fentanyl in Pís blood and asks about nasal sprays at the scene. The officers return to PP to retrieve nasal sprays and eye drops, but the reports indicate no fentanyl found on those items from PP.

It is interesting that the medical examiner Dr Strobl is looking for evidence of the drug being administered by a NASAL SPRAY. Perhaps this is due to the extremely high levels found in Pís blood in the autopsy ñ that the high levels would reflect the use of a nasal spray and NOT a tablet. The reports do not make it clear how many of the fake Watson 853 tablets P would need to take in order to achieve the very high levels of fentanyl in his blood. Other people in this forum have pointed out that fentanyl can be delivered by a nasal spray for assassination purposes. I wonder, once it has been inhaled and is in the blood stream, if it will seep into the stomach and thus that fentanyl will also be detected in the stomach.On the other hand, once Dr Strobl find out the various nasal sprays at PP do not show signs of fentanyl, and the fake Vicodin (Watson 853) pills found all over the place are going to be blamed for the ìaccidental overdoseî, then the narrative requires fentanyl to also be present in the stomach test. The autopsy reports take weeks allowing time to say the stomach also tested positive for fentanyl. (Also see point 18&19 below).

12. In the various bottles there are many half tablets, but often the half tablets are not tested for fentanyl. Since Princeís tests on 20160420 and 20160421 test positive for hydrocodone then perhaps this was because some of the half tablets were real Vicodin and this is what he had been taking on those days. However the test on 20160420 shows

-hydrocodone 253ng/ml.

-hydromorphone 87 ng/l.

And the hydromorphone might be Dilaudid, but there is no evidence of any tablets containing hydromorphone in any of the evidence.Now remember that KJ had ìcleaned outî PP when he left P on 20160420 and I think he would have removed not only alcohol, but any prescription type drug that he knew of in PP. And this is probably why we see no Dilaudid at PP.

13. Investigative Reports #2 page 56 pt 106 - 20160420 P appointment with Dr S. ìPt is a 57 y.o. male who presents with a friend today for feeling antsy. Symptoms started today. He thinks it might be related to stopping Tylenol, the last of which he took this morning. When questioned if the Tylenol contains other ingredients he stated that he did not know. There has been no nausea or vomiting. He has not had any of the neurologic symptoms he had the last time I had seen him. Denies any pain except some mild discomfort in the hip. No diarrhea. Just feeling antsy, anxious and need of something calming. Feels some IVF may help to restore balance. He is open to having some labs done today and expressed concerns about his adrenal glands due to persistent fatigue. Some hoarseness and weakness to his voice. Mild shakiness but no overt tremors. No fevers. No URI symptoms. No cough. No chest pain. No shortness of breath. No palpitations.îInvestigative Reports #2 page 56 pt 107&108 ñ 20160420 test results ñ tested positive for opiates, both Hydrocodone (253ng/ml) and Hydromorphone (87ng/ml). No fentanyl.

14. ìAntsyî and symptoms of opiate withdrawal. Narcan/Naloxone is what P was given at Moline, and Buprenophine/Suboxone is what the recovery centre guy Andrew Kornfield had on him. Both work to interfere with opiates and bring on opiate withdrawal symptoms. Dr S says on 20160420 that P was experiencing opiate withdrawal symptoms and P was looking for something to calm him down. He asked for IV fluids. He also asked if the prescription drugs being prescribed could be given intravenously. Dilaudid may be given intravenously so maybe Dilaudid is what he really wanted. Maybe the person visiting him on the evening of 20160420-21 said they were going to bring him Dilaudid and instead put him down.

15. Given this, on 20160420 I donít think P would have reached for the medication that sent him to the emergency room a week earlier (based on the narrative they are trying to sell us).

16. Prince is experiencing MILD hip pain. Donít think he would have needed to use the elevator. In the video at the doctorís office he is walking pretty well. On 20160420 to Dr S there is no mention of the hand pain or pain in his lower right leg.

Note that his cane is in the yellow office (in the photos). If P was in the office and feeling unwell and needed to get to a phone, then the closest landline phone is in that room, and there is also one in his green bedroom. (The other landline phone mentioned is in the kitchen which is downstairs.) There are bathrooms upstairs. I donít see any reason for P to go downstairs. If he was in tremendous pain (doubled over in agony) wouldnít he use his cane to get around? So to be found dead in an elevator on a day from an overdose of pain medication when his hip wasnít causing much pain is strange, unlikely even.

17. His jacket and gloves that he wore on 20160420 were on the floor in the corridor outside the yellow room (office with the upright piano). If he took these off soon after he went to ìhis side of townî (around 8pm on 20160420) then I guess we just have to believe that he left them there in the corridor. If a person is feeling really unwell (or perhaps just a bit absent minded) they may leave items randomly on the floor as they wander through their home.

18. Investigative Reports #2 page 97 pt 345 - BCA (Bureau for Criminal Apprehension) ìcould not conduct a quantitative test which would determine how much (the quantity) of the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine. For this reason, Item #40 was released to the DEA for additional testing to determine the quantity of fentanyl vs lidocaine. From this the DEA indicated NO OTHER CASES with the same tabletsî (Investigative Reports #2 page 100 pt 367) ñ in other words anyone else who might have taken this pill didnít end up in the emergency room or dead. And Prince is taking one or two pills only (also note how many half tablets are in his prescription medication bottles ñ lots). So as mentioned before I believe these tablets were manufactured either to trick P into taking them to bring about his death, or to leave all over PP to make it look like P was a hardcore drug addict. But now that Iíve been reminded of Dr Stroblís question (point 11 above) I'm leaning towards the tablets being planted to frame P. By not stating how many tablets would be needed to achieve the extremely high level of fentanyl in Pís blood from the autopsy, I am doubtful that P took these pills and another way of administering fentanyl (like a nasal spray) was intentionally given to him by a person who intended to kill him on 20160420-21.

19. The DEA looked at phone numbers, credit card statements and packages delivered to PP and could not identify where the counterfeit pills were from. If the DEA had access to all that information, no wonder the Sherriffís office didnít push harder for access to similar information. But this also suggests that the pills didnít arrive at PP through Prince, any of his staff or any of their connections. In other words, the absence of evidence is more proof that the tablets were planted.

20. Meantime on Pís computer he performed no searches to find out more about these drugs (they looked between the period 20150314 and 20160423). Instead from the Dr S information we know P was concerned about fatigue and his adrenals, and P also told his chef to not use canola oil due to concern about his adrenals.

21. Investigative Reports #2 page 55 pt 104 - 20160407 Dr S says P 'Feels like pins and needles but does not seem to be waking up like he would expect.' Everyone describes P as someone who doesnít sleep much.

22. Statement Transcripts page 149 -Judith Hill says P said "I enjoy sleeping more these days".

23. Did P know there was morphine in his blood? Is it possible someone had been giving him something to slow him down a bit?

24. In 1996 Oprah asks why Prince lives in Minneapolis, P answers "The cold keeps the bad people out."

25. In the song 'Annie Christian' Prince says heís going to keep moving "I'll live my life in taxi-cabs" and mentions Reagan and Lennon being shot. Some people may think his relentless pace was because he was chasing something. Perhaps he was also making it difficult for certain people to catch him.

26. Statement Transcripts page 193 - Judith Hill says P would wear a particular tank top inside out. Inside out is different to backwards.Investigative Reports #1 page 77 pt 36 & Investigative Reports #2 page 51 pt 84 says Pís clothes were on backwards. Elsewhere:

-T-shirt - on backwards;

-Sweatshirt - on backwards (cut when the paramedics attempted CPR);

-Trackpants - on backwards;-Underwear ñ on normal (forwards ñ so they might have been prudish satanists, OR trying to associate the event with satanists and so didnít bother with the underwear);

-Socks - inside out;

-Hat - (doesnít say if it was turned inside out).

If you vomit you donít have to have vomit on your clothes. And his clothes were on BACKWARDS, so even if there was evidence of vomit down his front, then you wonít be able to see it because his clothes were taken off him and put back on him backwards once he was lying down dead.

27. Backwards has significant meaning. Prince was well aware of what things sounded like backward and used this in Purple Rain (movie & soundtrack) many times.28. For those who think Prince was suicidal, back in 1982 in ìLady Cab Driverî he says ìTrouble winds are blowingí, Iím growiní cold, Get me outta here, I feel Iím gonna dieî. He has been concerned about living and dying on many occasions.When asked, Judith Hill thought P might be ìfifty fiftyî on the question of being suicidal Statement Transcripts page 172.

29. Investigative Reports #2 page 82 pt 265 ñ After the emergency landing in Moline, Dr Mancha asks if Prince is suicidal and ìhe looked directly at her, made eye contact and said "absolutely not!" . (Aside: a moment earlier he also said he had not been ill recently.)

30. Remember when Prince wrote ìSlaveî on his cheek and everyone said it was to do with his contract, and he would say all kinds of random stuff like ìIím a slave to the truthî. You could say he was being inconsistent. You could say one of these statements is a lie. But there are times when a thing can have multiple meanings. There is a basic level truth, and then a ìsecret truthî. Satanists are also big on ìsecret truthsî.

31. Prince prided himself on hiding double-meanings in plain sight. People thought he was talking about one thing, but the ìsecret truthî was really about something else:-In ìLetís go crazyî there is a lyric ìElectric word lifeî ñ so this is about how we are alive due to electricity flowing through us (think of peopleís heart being restarted by a defibrillator, or just think of Frankensteinís monster ìitís aliveî). Sure that sounds good. But there is a deeper meaning. -There is a round building at Paisley Park. They say it was intended as a place to feed the homeless. If that was the case then that is what it would be used for, but that is misdirection. It had a different use.-At the end of ìDarliní Nikkiî and ìLetís go crazyî P says ìthe lord is coming soonî and ìhe is comingî. If you think he was talking about Jesus Christ, guess again. And this is the reason he no longer played these songs in full after 2003.

32. In The Guardian 23 Jun 2011 ìPrince: I'm a musician. I am music. Prince is quoted as saying "Time is a mind construct. It's not real." In an interview with Larry King Prince said this again and that he doesnít age because he doesnít celebrate birthdays or focus on age. However music transcends space and time. Many musicians talk about hearing music, as though they are tuned in to another world or place. What if early in his life Prince glimpsed an image of his own death scene? - that he would have an afro and be lying down alone in an elevator. It would certainly explain his dislike of elevators, and he hasnít had an afro since he was a teenager. Then later in life, his choosing to wear an afro, and proceed down a certain path would reflect an acceptance of what might be around the corner. This is not being suicidal. It is a form of acceptance that oneís time might be up.

-For Prince dying at age 57 is good because 5+7 is 12, a good number. 1+2=3 is also ok.

-And dying on 20160421 is also ok, sort of, because that works out as =2+1+6+4+2+1 =16 = 1+6 = 7.

And with the way the world is going perhaps it is a better thing to NOT be around for the next chapter.

To be clear I do NOT believe Prince was suicidal; I do not believe Prince was intentionally taking fentanyl; and I do not believe Prince took fentanyl on 20160420-21 in an attempt to take his own. Life. Instead I believe at least one person visited Prince that night and caused the overdose with the intention of taking Princeís life. And then his clothes were removed and put on backwards to claim this death as a ritual death for satanic purposes. However I also believe Prince had been a committed Christian in the last part of his life.

And with the way the world is going perhaps it is a better thing to NOT be around for the next chapter.

33. I know this sounds like a downer, however Christianís do not fear death because they know where they are going. For certain.So when I think of Prince I think he is very busy preparing for 'let all the choirs and angels sing'.

For more info see Prince's Death Investigation: Part 11" page 34

[Edited 7/25/18 4:29am]

Ok, I don't believe the murder theory and never will.

The real Prince IS dead.

I can't find the results for the neck and hand swabs either. And I also don't believe that somebody found him dead and left him laying there overnight.

The liquid in the elevator confuses me, no narcs were found in it. IF it was purple grape juice, the vomit would be red or purple. (my experience as a mom). Unless of course it was white grape juice then it would be kinda yellowish. I agree no food chunks were seen. Where the vomit landed on the elevator wall, almost looks to me to be projectile vomit.

It has not been proven that he had a visitor that night.

Judith said it was not unusual for him to use the elevator or to have his clothes on backwards.

And what is up with all of your i's before and after words?

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Reply #166 posted 07/26/18 6:41pm

peggyon

I wanted to thank PennyPurple for trying repeatedly to refocus people on the death investigation thread. Please do not go off on tangents and then discuss these tangential ideas that are of little merit to the investigation. It looks unprofessional and it is time-wasting.

It must be exhausting to keep re-focusing folks.

This thread will end and we need to be mindful of this. Let's everyone read all the files and get up to speed before just talking about anything and everything.

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Reply #167 posted 07/26/18 6:46pm

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peggyon said:

I wanted to thank PennyPurple for trying repeatedly to refocus people on the death investigation thread. Please do not go off on tangents and then discuss these tangential ideas that are of little merit to the investigation. It looks unprofessional and it is time-wasting.

It must be exhausting to keep re-focusing folks.

This thread will end and we need to be mindful of this. Let's everyone read all the files and get up to speed before just talking about anything and everything.

co-sign and RESPECT to Penny!

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Reply #168 posted 07/26/18 6:57pm

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

peggyon said:

I wanted to thank PennyPurple for trying repeatedly to refocus people on the death investigation thread. Please do not go off on tangents and then discuss these tangential ideas that are of little merit to the investigation. It looks unprofessional and it is time-wasting.

It must be exhausting to keep re-focusing folks.

This thread will end and we need to be mindful of this. Let's everyone read all the files and get up to speed before just talking about anything and everything.

co-sign and RESPECT to Penny!

yeahthat

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Reply #169 posted 07/26/18 7:01pm

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I wanted to add one more thing. Let's talk to each other respectfully, keep our "fights" off-line, put our heads together and as a group try to make some progress. Many people working on this will guarantee progress but folks need to feel safe. Better to attract alot of folks who have great ideas, but do not want to be put down by a few.

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Reply #170 posted 07/26/18 7:10pm

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Thanks but Penny is about to give up.

AND, this isn't my thread. I didn't start it, nor did I ask for it to be started.


Now about that vomit...

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Reply #171 posted 07/26/18 7:12pm

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peggyon said:

I wanted to add one more thing. Let's talk to each other respectfully, keep our "fights" off-line, put our heads together and as a group try to make some progress. Many people working on this will guarantee progress but folks need to feel safe. Better to attract alot of folks who have great ideas, but do not want to be put down by a few.

Great thought, Peggyon. I want to revisit something I posted a day or two ago. There seems to be a consenses here that the investigation was handled poorly. We need legal advice, preferably from an experienced lawyer or tuned-in observer in MN, who could guide us in the pressure tactics that might have a shot at getting the case looked at again. Every day I read of folks who have raised tons of money on Go Fund Me because they have a compelling story. I think the death of Prince is a compeling story. A Go Fund Me Page for a Private Investigator? We need to brain-storm how we can move this quest for truth onward...with power and grace. yes

Love is Patient...and Perseveres. prince eye prince

PS: it makes me wonder why none of his associates, inner circle, mentees or relatives have thought of this...we may need a whole new thread for that question.

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Reply #172 posted 07/26/18 7:19pm

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PennyPurple said:

Thanks but Penny is about to give up.

AND, this isn't my thread. I didn't start it, nor did I ask for it to be started.


Now about that vomit...

I'll take a stab at it. I wonder if it was a large amount of saliva. When I have vomited in the past, I have produced alot of saliva first. He could have been leaning against the walls of the elevator and "thrown up" the saliva/drool. I would need to consult with a professional to determine if Fentanyl would have circulated to his saliva/drool/vomit.

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Reply #173 posted 07/26/18 7:30pm

peggyon

Bodhitheblackdog said:

peggyon said:

I wanted to add one more thing. Let's talk to each other respectfully, keep our "fights" off-line, put our heads together and as a group try to make some progress. Many people working on this will guarantee progress but folks need to feel safe. Better to attract alot of folks who have great ideas, but do not want to be put down by a few.

Great thought, Peggyon. I want to revisit something I posted a day or two ago. There seems to be a consenses here that the investigation was handled poorly. We need legal advice, preferably from an experienced lawyer or tuned-in observer in MN, who could guide us in the pressure tactics that might have a shot at getting the case looked at again. Every day I read of folks who have raised tons of money on Go Fund Me because they have a compelling story. I think the death of Prince is a compeling story. A Go Fund Me Page for a Private Investigator? We need to brain-storm how we can move this quest for truth onward...with power and grace. yes

Love is Patient...and Perseveres. prince eye prince

PS: it makes me wonder why none of his associates, inner circle, mentees or relatives have thought of this...we may need a whole new thread for that question.

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I see your point, wonder if one of the lawyers here could assist with this?

I get the idea that his associates have known about Prince's issues for some time and will not likely pursue this. IDK, maybe they feel they are protecting his Legacy, showing respect etc. I think many were somewhat intimidated by his powerful personality.

I did not realize that folks wanted to re-open the investigation. Maybe folks like Latin, Trivial Pursuit,

Operating Thetan, Life is Just a Game would have insight?

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Reply #174 posted 07/26/18 7:31pm

Camileyun

PennyPurple said:





facedown20160421 said:



(Apologies for the delay ñ had to go back to Carver documents to find information. I will try and cite the information sources from here on in.)


For more info see Prince's Death Investigation: Part 11" page 34



1. Agree - Prince was a tyrant. You did what he said or you were out.


2. Agree - Prince was secretive.


3. If Prince had allowed doctors to examine him and directly requested prescriptions for the prescription drugs he needed, perhaps he would still be alive. (Unless someone wanted him dead.)


4. Some people are hoping that the real Prince is not actually dead. Sorry, but if you look closely at photos all the way from the first album ìFor Youî period through to the death scene you will see the same ears and hands, and in particular the same thumb joint. It is all the same man. For those who think the real Prince died after Parade/Under the Cherry Moon, examine the ears and hands all the way through and you will see it is the same man. (With plastic surgery to make one person look like another, they focus on the face. The hands and ears in particular are very unique and usually not part of any plastic surgery.)


5. Rooms in Paisley Park are messy in the investigation photos partly because they are performing searches and going through boxes to search for things. So when I see a box of things turned out in the investigation photos I think it is probably due to the investigation. I donít think things would usually have been lying scattered all over the floor (like in the room with the washing machine and Pís clothes). I donít think this means the place was not being cleaned regularly.


6. In Investigative Reports #1 page 14 it says swabs for DNA were taken from Pís hands and neck items #14,15,16 ñ I think this is to see if anyone left their DNA on P. I couldnít find the test results for these swabs in the files. (I donít believe the story of KJ dressing P so that he would not be found naked because I know one person can leave DNA on another person and it can be found, so to me it would not have been worth KJ risking leaving DNA on Pís body just to dress him.) I wonder if it is standard practice to look for another personís DNA and whether they found anything.


7. Investigative Reports #2 page 59 pt 122 mentions the clothes discarded in the bathroom and they did not appear to have vomit on them (NOTE: THEY WERE ALSO LOOKING FOR VOMIT). The clothes were to be tested but I canít find any test results for these items. (The overlapping numbering of items in the various reports makes it difficult to track down all the items and associated findings.)


8. 20160426 swabs from elevator were taken. Description can be found in Investigative Reports #2 page 19. ìThe pattern seen on the metal showed that the liquid substance ran down the metal and there was a small pool of the dried liquid on the floor of the elevator.î


9. Vomit in airways was noted by paramedics and is mentioned in Investigative Reports #1 page 78 pt 14-16. Elsewhere P isnít eating much but probably drinking the grape juice and water so for the vomit to be liquid fits with this (no chunky food present).


10. If a person takes a tablet and feels unwell then they may try to vomit and bring it up. But by this point the tablet needs to have dissolved and be in the stomach, and therefore the drug should show up in the vomit if it is true that the drug was ingested.


11. Investigative Reports #2 page 54 pt 103 ñ a high amount of Fentanyl in Pís blood from the autopsy 67.8 mcg/l, (compared to a cancer patient using a fentanyl patch with 3-5 mcg/l). Urine tests from the autopsy also show Oxycodone and Hydrocodone.Investigative Reports #1 page 39 pt 66 Medical Examiner informs of the fentanyl in Pís blood and asks about nasal sprays at the scene. The officers return to PP to retrieve nasal sprays and eye drops, but the reports indicate no fentanyl found on those items from PP.


It is interesting that the medical examiner Dr Strobl is looking for evidence of the drug being administered by a NASAL SPRAY. Perhaps this is due to the extremely high levels found in Pís blood in the autopsy ñ that the high levels would reflect the use of a nasal spray and NOT a tablet. The reports do not make it clear how many of the fake Watson 853 tablets P would need to take in order to achieve the very high levels of fentanyl in his blood. Other people in this forum have pointed out that fentanyl can be delivered by a nasal spray for assassination purposes. I wonder, once it has been inhaled and is in the blood stream, if it will seep into the stomach and thus that fentanyl will also be detected in the stomach.On the other hand, once Dr Strobl find out the various nasal sprays at PP do not show signs of fentanyl, and the fake Vicodin (Watson 853) pills found all over the place are going to be blamed for the ìaccidental overdoseî, then the narrative requires fentanyl to also be present in the stomach test. The autopsy reports take weeks allowing time to say the stomach also tested positive for fentanyl. (Also see point 18&19 below).


12. In the various bottles there are many half tablets, but often the half tablets are not tested for fentanyl. Since Princeís tests on 20160420 and 20160421 test positive for hydrocodone then perhaps this was because some of the half tablets were real Vicodin and this is what he had been taking on those days. However the test on 20160420 shows


-hydrocodone 253ng/ml.


-hydromorphone 87 ng/l.


And the hydromorphone might be Dilaudid, but there is no evidence of any tablets containing hydromorphone in any of the evidence.Now remember that KJ had ìcleaned outî PP when he left P on 20160420 and I think he would have removed not only alcohol, but any prescription type drug that he knew of in PP. And this is probably why we see no Dilaudid at PP.


13. Investigative Reports #2 page 56 pt 106 - 20160420 P appointment with Dr S. ìPt is a 57 y.o. male who presents with a friend today for feeling antsy. Symptoms started today. He thinks it might be related to stopping Tylenol, the last of which he took this morning. When questioned if the Tylenol contains other ingredients he stated that he did not know. There has been no nausea or vomiting. He has not had any of the neurologic symptoms he had the last time I had seen him. Denies any pain except some mild discomfort in the hip. No diarrhea. Just feeling antsy, anxious and need of something calming. Feels some IVF may help to restore balance. He is open to having some labs done today and expressed concerns about his adrenal glands due to persistent fatigue. Some hoarseness and weakness to his voice. Mild shakiness but no overt tremors. No fevers. No URI symptoms. No cough. No chest pain. No shortness of breath. No palpitations.îInvestigative Reports #2 page 56 pt 107&108 ñ 20160420 test results ñ tested positive for opiates, both Hydrocodone (253ng/ml) and Hydromorphone (87ng/ml). No fentanyl.


14. ìAntsyî and symptoms of opiate withdrawal. Narcan/Naloxone is what P was given at Moline, and Buprenophine/Suboxone is what the recovery centre guy Andrew Kornfield had on him. Both work to interfere with opiates and bring on opiate withdrawal symptoms. Dr S says on 20160420 that P was experiencing opiate withdrawal symptoms and P was looking for something to calm him down. He asked for IV fluids. He also asked if the prescription drugs being prescribed could be given intravenously. Dilaudid may be given intravenously so maybe Dilaudid is what he really wanted. Maybe the person visiting him on the evening of 20160420-21 said they were going to bring him Dilaudid and instead put him down.


15. Given this, on 20160420 I donít think P would have reached for the medication that sent him to the emergency room a week earlier (based on the narrative they are trying to sell us).


16. Prince is experiencing MILD hip pain. Donít think he would have needed to use the elevator. In the video at the doctorís office he is walking pretty well. On 20160420 to Dr S there is no mention of the hand pain or pain in his lower right leg.


Note that his cane is in the yellow office (in the photos). If P was in the office and feeling unwell and needed to get to a phone, then the closest landline phone is in that room, and there is also one in his green bedroom. (The other landline phone mentioned is in the kitchen which is downstairs.) There are bathrooms upstairs. I donít see any reason for P to go downstairs. If he was in tremendous pain (doubled over in agony) wouldnít he use his cane to get around? So to be found dead in an elevator on a day from an overdose of pain medication when his hip wasnít causing much pain is strange, unlikely even.


17. His jacket and gloves that he wore on 20160420 were on the floor in the corridor outside the yellow room (office with the upright piano). If he took these off soon after he went to ìhis side of townî (around 8pm on 20160420) then I guess we just have to believe that he left them there in the corridor. If a person is feeling really unwell (or perhaps just a bit absent minded) they may leave items randomly on the floor as they wander through their home.


18. Investigative Reports #2 page 97 pt 345 - BCA (Bureau for Criminal Apprehension) ìcould not conduct a quantitative test which would determine how much (the quantity) of the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine. For this reason, Item #40 was released to the DEA for additional testing to determine the quantity of fentanyl vs lidocaine. From this the DEA indicated NO OTHER CASES with the same tabletsî (Investigative Reports #2 page 100 pt 367) ñ in other words anyone else who might have taken this pill didnít end up in the emergency room or dead. And Prince is taking one or two pills only (also note how many half tablets are in his prescription medication bottles ñ lots). So as mentioned before I believe these tablets were manufactured either to trick P into taking them to bring about his death, or to leave all over PP to make it look like P was a hardcore drug addict. But now that Iíve been reminded of Dr Stroblís question (point 11 above) I'm leaning towards the tablets being planted to frame P. By not stating how many tablets would be needed to achieve the extremely high level of fentanyl in Pís blood from the autopsy, I am doubtful that P took these pills and another way of administering fentanyl (like a nasal spray) was intentionally given to him by a person who intended to kill him on 20160420-21.


19. The DEA looked at phone numbers, credit card statements and packages delivered to PP and could not identify where the counterfeit pills were from. If the DEA had access to all that information, no wonder the Sherriffís office didnít push harder for access to similar information. But this also suggests that the pills didnít arrive at PP through Prince, any of his staff or any of their connections. In other words, the absence of evidence is more proof that the tablets were planted.


20. Meantime on Pís computer he performed no searches to find out more about these drugs (they looked between the period 20150314 and 20160423). Instead from the Dr S information we know P was concerned about fatigue and his adrenals, and P also told his chef to not use canola oil due to concern about his adrenals.


21. Investigative Reports #2 page 55 pt 104 - 20160407 Dr S says P 'Feels like pins and needles but does not seem to be waking up like he would expect.' Everyone describes P as someone who doesnít sleep much.


22. Statement Transcripts page 149 -Judith Hill says P said "I enjoy sleeping more these days".


23. Did P know there was morphine in his blood? Is it possible someone had been giving him something to slow him down a bit?


24. In 1996 Oprah asks why Prince lives in Minneapolis, P answers "The cold keeps the bad people out."


25. In the song 'Annie Christian' Prince says heís going to keep moving "I'll live my life in taxi-cabs" and mentions Reagan and Lennon being shot. Some people may think his relentless pace was because he was chasing something. Perhaps he was also making it difficult for certain people to catch him.


26. Statement Transcripts page 193 - Judith Hill says P would wear a particular tank top inside out. Inside out is different to backwards.Investigative Reports #1 page 77 pt 36 & Investigative Reports #2 page 51 pt 84 says Pís clothes were on backwards. Elsewhere:


-T-shirt - on backwards;


-Sweatshirt - on backwards (cut when the paramedics attempted CPR);


-Trackpants - on backwards;-Underwear ñ on normal (forwards ñ so they might have been prudish satanists, OR trying to associate the event with satanists and so didnít bother with the underwear);


-Socks - inside out;


-Hat - (doesnít say if it was turned inside out).


If you vomit you donít have to have vomit on your clothes. And his clothes were on BACKWARDS, so even if there was evidence of vomit down his front, then you wonít be able to see it because his clothes were taken off him and put back on him backwards once he was lying down dead.


27. Backwards has significant meaning. Prince was well aware of what things sounded like backward and used this in Purple Rain (movie & soundtrack) many times.28. For those who think Prince was suicidal, back in 1982 in ìLady Cab Driverî he says ìTrouble winds are blowingí, Iím growiní cold, Get me outta here, I feel Iím gonna dieî. He has been concerned about living and dying on many occasions.When asked, Judith Hill thought P might be ìfifty fiftyî on the question of being suicidal Statement Transcripts page 172.


29. Investigative Reports #2 page 82 pt 265 ñ After the emergency landing in Moline, Dr Mancha asks if Prince is suicidal and ìhe looked directly at her, made eye contact and said "absolutely not!" . (Aside: a moment earlier he also said he had not been ill recently.)


30. Remember when Prince wrote ìSlaveî on his cheek and everyone said it was to do with his contract, and he would say all kinds of random stuff like ìIím a slave to the truthî. You could say he was being inconsistent. You could say one of these statements is a lie. But there are times when a thing can have multiple meanings. There is a basic level truth, and then a ìsecret truthî. Satanists are also big on ìsecret truthsî.


31. Prince prided himself on hiding double-meanings in plain sight. People thought he was talking about one thing, but the ìsecret truthî was really about something else:-In ìLetís go crazyî there is a lyric ìElectric word lifeî ñ so this is about how we are alive due to electricity flowing through us (think of peopleís heart being restarted by a defibrillator, or just think of Frankensteinís monster ìitís aliveî). Sure that sounds good. But there is a deeper meaning. -There is a round building at Paisley Park. They say it was intended as a place to feed the homeless. If that was the case then that is what it would be used for, but that is misdirection. It had a different use.-At the end of ìDarliní Nikkiî and ìLetís go crazyî P says ìthe lord is coming soonî and ìhe is comingî. If you think he was talking about Jesus Christ, guess again. And this is the reason he no longer played these songs in full after 2003.


32. In The Guardian 23 Jun 2011 ìPrince: I'm a musician. I am music. Prince is quoted as saying "Time is a mind construct. It's not real." In an interview with Larry King Prince said this again and that he doesnít age because he doesnít celebrate birthdays or focus on age. However music transcends space and time. Many musicians talk about hearing music, as though they are tuned in to another world or place. What if early in his life Prince glimpsed an image of his own death scene? - that he would have an afro and be lying down alone in an elevator. It would certainly explain his dislike of elevators, and he hasnít had an afro since he was a teenager. Then later in life, his choosing to wear an afro, and proceed down a certain path would reflect an acceptance of what might be around the corner. This is not being suicidal. It is a form of acceptance that oneís time might be up.


-For Prince dying at age 57 is good because 5+7 is 12, a good number. 1+2=3 is also ok.


-And dying on 20160421 is also ok, sort of, because that works out as =2+1+6+4+2+1 =16 = 1+6 = 7.


And with the way the world is going perhaps it is a better thing to NOT be around for the next chapter.


To be clear I do NOT believe Prince was suicidal; I do not believe Prince was intentionally taking fentanyl; and I do not believe Prince took fentanyl on 20160420-21 in an attempt to take his own. Life. Instead I believe at least one person visited Prince that night and caused the overdose with the intention of taking Princeís life. And then his clothes were removed and put on backwards to claim this death as a ritual death for satanic purposes. However I also believe Prince had been a committed Christian in the last part of his life.


And with the way the world is going perhaps it is a better thing to NOT be around for the next chapter.


33. I know this sounds like a downer, however Christianís do not fear death because they know where they are going. For certain.So when I think of Prince I think he is very busy preparing for 'let all the choirs and angels sing'.



For more info see Prince's Death Investigation: Part 11" page 34




[Edited 7/25/18 4:29am]



Ok, I don't believe the murder theory and never will.


The real Prince IS dead.


I can't find the results for the neck and hand swabs either. And I also don't believe that somebody found him dead and left him laying there overnight.


The liquid in the elevator confuses me, no narcs were found in it. IF it was purple grape juice, the vomit would be red or purple. (my experience as a mom). Unless of course it was white grape juice then it would be kinda yellowish. I agree no food chunks were seen. Where the vomit landed on the elevator wall, almost looks to me to be projectile vomit.


It has not been proven that he had a visitor that night.


Judith said it was not unusual for him to use the elevator or to have his clothes on backwards.


And what is up with all of your i's before and after words?




In Facedown 's, item 18, we've talked about this before, but the DEA said they were not necessarily surprised that no other pills with the exact composition of Ps pills have been found since many of these pill manufacturers put whatever is available in the pills as filler. Also, I'm having a hard time believing the DEA could not quantify the amount of fentanyl in the pills vs. lidocaine. I would think that would not be impossible for a Drug Agency laboratory. Why would they not release that information?
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Reply #175 posted 07/26/18 7:35pm

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peggyon said:

I wanted to add one more thing. Let's talk to each other respectfully, keep our "fights" off-line, put our heads together and as a group try to make some progress. Many people working on this will guarantee progress but folks need to feel safe. Better to attract alot of folks who have great ideas, but do not want to be put down by a few.

LOL! - 'add one more thing' - are you done with your lecture?

Let me ask you a question. Do you think you have added/worked on anything in direct reference to this thread/ investigation? Sure? Maybe?
....Several have, and I am one of those- BUT when someone comes on here and starts 'race baiting' by specifically asking if it was 'racial' that KJ was fingered as the offender... I've got a problem with it. Race baiting is not allowed here, and pf99 trying to backtrack on that statement by claiming- 'No, I said I was questioning black on black crime being overlooked/ not giving the investigation enough thought'- that's a bold faced lie. Pf99's original question straight up was 'Do you think KJ being pointed out as the offender was racial'? rednblue/pf99 and the rest who continue to dredge up an arguement from a former thread are are just as guilty and should've left well enough alone, as pulling from another thread and bringing it up in another to create dischord is also not allowed. Keep it up.

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Reply #176 posted 07/26/18 7:45pm

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peggyon said:



PennyPurple said:


Thanks but Penny is about to give up.


AND, this isn't my thread. I didn't start it, nor did I ask for it to be started.



Now about that vomit...





I'll take a stab at it. I wonder if it was a large amount of saliva. When I have vomited in the past, I have produced alot of saliva first. He could have been leaning against the walls of the elevator and "thrown up" the saliva/drool. I would need to consult with a professional to determine if Fentanyl would have circulated to his saliva/drool/vomit.



You would think his saliva would contain even a small amount of fentanyl since the pill or pills were in his mouth, even for a short time. Who knows. You made a great point.
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Reply #177 posted 07/26/18 7:50pm

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peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

Thanks but Penny is about to give up.

AND, this isn't my thread. I didn't start it, nor did I ask for it to be started.


Now about that vomit...

I'll take a stab at it. I wonder if it was a large amount of saliva. When I have vomited in the past, I have produced alot of saliva first. He could have been leaning against the walls of the elevator and "thrown up" the saliva/drool. I would need to consult with a professional to determine if Fentanyl would have circulated to his saliva/drool/vomit.

But that would be a HUGE amount of saliva.

I thought that it could be a drink that was thrown but no cup or glass was found.

If it was someone else's vomit, surely Prince would have not just left it there and would have someone clean it up?.. I mean who would want to use the elevator where vomit was that dripped down the wall where you push the buttons?

People have said that he hated elevators, but Judith and I believe Kirk said it wasn't unusual for him to use the elevator.

He did have that party there and someone else could've used the elevator and vomited in it. But that should''ve been cleaned up AND LE said that it looked 'wet' and vomit was in his mouth.

He could have vomited and then took the pills??

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Reply #178 posted 07/26/18 7:57pm

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Camileyun said:

peggyon said:

I'll take a stab at it. I wonder if it was a large amount of saliva. When I have vomited in the past, I have produced alot of saliva first. He could have been leaning against the walls of the elevator and "thrown up" the saliva/drool. I would need to consult with a professional to determine if Fentanyl would have circulated to his saliva/drool/vomit.

You would think his saliva would contain even a small amount of fentanyl since the pill or pills were in his mouth, even for a short time. Who knows. You made a great point.
Yeah, I get your point. I thought they swabbed this "stuff" several days later as they had missed it.
Was the test a conclusively "No Fentanyl"?
If so, someone said he may have been dope-sick (thrown up the saliva/vomit), taken the Fentanyl for relief and then passed out.
I think he took the Fentanyl, knew it would be awhile (minutes) before it took effect, got in the elevator fow whatever reason, felt nauseated/unsteady, vomited or heavily drooled, then slumped down and collapsed.
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Reply #179 posted 07/26/18 8:04pm

precioux

PennyPurple said:

[Edited 7/25/18 4:29am]

Ok, I don't believe the murder theory and never will.

The real Prince IS dead.

I can't find the results for the neck and hand swabs either. And I also don't believe that somebody found him dead and left him laying there overnight.

The liquid in the elevator confuses me, no narcs were found in it. IF it was purple grape juice, the vomit would be red or purple. (my experience as a mom). Unless of course it was white grape juice then it would be kinda yellowish. I agree no food chunks were seen. Where the vomit landed on the elevator wall, almost looks to me to be projectile vomit.

It has not been proven that he had a visitor that night.

Judith said it was not unusual for him to use the elevator or to have his clothes on backwards.

And what is up with all of your i's before and after words?

The DNA on the Welch's grape bottle did not match Prince's DNA as per warrants/subponea results. (Neither was his DNA found on the 'only lidocaine pills' bottle.) Being the water was next to his bed, and the subtance was basically clear liquid-it could've been the water. In regards to throwing up, then taking a pill, it is possible, especially if the withdrawls had gotten that bad...but not probable

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