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mmart2008

What I'd like to be done with some of the Vault Material

As Janelle Monae brings out the great track, " The way you make me feel" , touched by Prince, I thought it would be a great idea for a lot of his unreleased material, if good enough!, could be re-recorded and produced buy other Prince influenced acts. If Prince had released the Janelle Monae track it wouldn't have sounded as good as her version, I'm pretty confident of that. Someone posted on here about the Prince Ep that wasn't released, and how different and fresh it sounded because it wasn't produced by him, they were right. I really think that the best Prince music has already been released, on his official albums. A lot of acts record up to 40 or 50 ideas for album, but they are cut down to 10 ish releasable tracks. I loved Prince, and he was a massive part of my upbringing but, through my obsession with him I did ignore some other music which I quickly caught up with after. I hope I'm wrong about the vault material, I really do !

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Reply #1 posted 04/07/18 12:23am

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mmart2008 said:

As Janelle Monae brings out the great track, " The way you make me feel" , touched by Prince, I thought it would be a great idea for a lot of his unreleased material, if good enough!, could be re-recorded and produced buy other Prince influenced acts.

Go to bed.

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TheDigitalGardener said:

mmart2008 said:

As Janelle Monae brings out the great track, " The way you make me feel" , touched by Prince, I thought it would be a great idea for a lot of his unreleased material, if good enough!, could be re-recorded and produced buy other Prince influenced acts.

Go to bed.


Knowing our fucking luck regarding this shit, they'll probably listen to only that retarded idea and run with it instead of listening to sane people who know better and want clean non fucked up versions "interpreted" or "finished" (and destroyed) by the likes of any "Justin", "Janelle" of "Bruno...

I have 0% hope for professional, chronological, archival vault releases and expect nothing but 1998 "Crystal Ball" type compilation/garbage releases. All, of course, done by people who don't know shit about the material and only look for what they think will make the most money and reach the biggest audience (millenial Tide Pod munchers and condom sniffers...)
I advice this approach to everyone just to dampen your disappointments regarding Prince's legacy for the coming decades...

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Reply #3 posted 04/07/18 5:38am

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Neversin said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Go to bed.


Knowing our fucking luck regarding this shit, they'll probably listen to only that retarded idea and run with it instead of listening to sane people who know better and want clean non fucked up versions "interpreted" or "finished" (and destroyed) by the likes of any "Justin", "Janelle" of "Bruno...

I have 0% hope for professional, chronological, archival vault releases and expect nothing but 1998 "Crystal Ball" type compilation/garbage releases. All, of course, done by people who don't know shit about the material and only look for what they think will make the most money and reach the biggest audience (millenial Tide Pod munchers and condom sniffers...)
I advice this approach to everyone just to dampen your disappointments regarding Prince's legacy for the coming decades...

Neversin.

I'm not expecting anything for a long while but right this second, I'd lap up another Crsystal Ball style release. I just want something released.

RIP sad
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Reply #4 posted 04/07/18 5:39am

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But not completed or interepreted by any other artist. I can't think of anything to say to that suggestion without causing extreme offence to the OP. lol

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Reply #5 posted 04/07/18 5:42am

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Just no
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Reply #6 posted 04/07/18 4:20pm

mmart2008

Yea, usual expected comments giving total under appreciation of any artist that isn't Prince or one of the people he worked with. There are lots of good artists out there, they might not be Prince but, alot of artists are putting out some good new music. I would love for people like Mark Ronson or Nile Rogers to work on some of Prince's vault material, Mark did a great job with Bruno Marrs and Queens of the stoneage. I don't want to listen to music by Prince that sounds like it was recorded 20 years ago. I would rather someone like Ronson who loved Prince to put a freshness into some vault material. Who knows, it might get air play and encourage the youth of the day to listen to his stuff. I did say "some" of his vault material after all. Obviously some stuff could be just cleaned up and put in some good order. I knew people wouldn't like my idea, but I just don't want Prince's memory to fade away.

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Reply #7 posted 04/07/18 8:06pm

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Neversin said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Go to bed.


Knowing our fucking luck regarding this shit, they'll probably listen to only that retarded idea and run with it instead of listening to sane people who know better and want clean non fucked up versions "interpreted" or "finished" (and destroyed) by the likes of any "Justin", "Janelle" of "Bruno...

I have 0% hope for professional, chronological, archival vault releases and expect nothing but 1998 "Crystal Ball" type compilation/garbage releases. All, of course, done by people who don't know shit about the material and only look for what they think will make the most money and reach the biggest audience (millenial Tide Pod munchers and condom sniffers...)
I advice this approach to everyone just to dampen your disappointments regarding Prince's legacy for the coming decades...

Neversin.

rolleyes This kind of anti-youth gatekeeping is real old. No pun intended. Anyway, I'm not opposed to the OP's idea, so long as Prince's originals are released (untouched) at the same time. The elitists would still spend more time whining about pop-stars messing with their beloved's music, but nobody's forcing them to listen. Anything that could turn more people onto Prince's music is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

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Reply #8 posted 04/07/18 8:57pm

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mmart2008 said:

Yea, usual expected comments giving total under appreciation of any artist that isn't Prince or one of the people he worked with. There are lots of good artists out there, they might not be Prince but, alot of artists are putting out some good new music. I would love for people like Mark Ronson or Nile Rogers to work on some of Prince's vault material, Mark did a great job with Bruno Marrs and Queens of the stoneage. I don't want to listen to music by Prince that sounds like it was recorded 20 years ago. I would rather someone like Ronson who loved Prince to put a freshness into some vault material. Who knows, it might get air play and encourage the youth of the day to listen to his stuff. I did say "some" of his vault material after all. Obviously some stuff could be just cleaned up and put in some good order. I knew people wouldn't like my idea, but I just don't want Prince's memory to fade away.

This might be stating the obvious, but there's a major difference between Ronson's work with the people you mention and anything that might happen with someone like him working with vault material: the stuff with Bruno and QOTSA was collaboration with somebody else there in the room. They worked WITH Ronson, to craft something together. That's not possible with the vault material--let him sample something already out there and build on it if he wants--I'm not the sort of person who would object to that at all--but I don't want something out there as "Prince" if we're not sure how much the post-mortem producer did. Let it come out clean--and if it was recorded 20 years ago, then that's exactly how it should sound. I might be more willing to let people who were in the studio with him do minimal work to "finish" stuff, but not much, and with the understanding that they're trying to finish what he started. That said, I actually enjoy the Deliverance tracks (though I doubt there's much there that's Boxill really--just stuff he recorded more or less following Prince's rough recordings or outlines, AND I really would prefer that the Prince originals were also available).

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Reply #9 posted 04/08/18 2:14am

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Yea, good idea having people who worked with him on certain Albums, finishing stuff that was recorded around the same time. For me, the best stuff he did was when he was with a great band. Revolution up to Lovesexy, the Gold Experience era. I just hope they put good albums out there, people seem to forget that Prince put some real hotch potch albums out, chucked together with tracks from different times. "Planet earth" is one , In my opinion, you can hear it as the album plays out, "Chelsea Rogers" I loved but, so much filler material surrounded it, and remember, he gave this out with a national newspaper ! I did like the title track, but he murderd it with the break half way through, with what sounded like a snippet from,Take Thats cover of "Could it be magic" Killed the song totally ! Done with care and attention, any Vault material worth releasing could be good.

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rolleyes This kind of anti-youth gatekeeping is real old.


Just mentioning a fact...
So you can roll your eyes all you want but these ignorant dumbasses are still the ones doing and buying (into) dumb proposals opted by the OP...

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Reply #11 posted 04/08/18 4:38am

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Sometimes an artist covered a Prince song and added to it in my opinion.Manic Monday done by the Bangles as opposed to Apolonia 6 version, Eternity done by Chaka Kahn are good examples.
Do I still want a carefully accurately curated chronological version of everything by Prince, of course I do.
I don’t think these ideas are incompatible with one another.
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mmart2008 said:

I thought it would be a great idea for a lot of his unreleased material, if good enough!, could be re-recorded and produced buy other Prince influenced acts.

No, it wouldn't.

Don't go put silly ideas in the head of the estate.

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Reply #13 posted 04/08/18 8:14am

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Neversin said:

mbdtyler said:

rolleyes This kind of anti-youth gatekeeping is real old.


Just mentioning a fact...
So you can roll your eyes all you want but these ignorant dumbasses are still the ones doing and buying (into) dumb proposals opted by the OP...

Neversin.

Only a very small amount of people bought into the whole Tide Pod fad, and not even all of them were young teens. Just because those relative few people were dumbasses doesn't mean an entire generation of kids are dumbasses. It was all overblown nonsense like a lot of shit on the internet. And buddy, let me tell you, you aren't better than young folks just because they listen to the top 40 instead of Prince. But if it helps you sleep at night to believe that, then you do you lol

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Reply #14 posted 04/08/18 10:34am

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As a curiousity I apreciate the track "The Way You Make me Feel" but I don't think it works for me (feels like generic mainstream light fluff take on that kind of funk pop)... so I think it would have had a chance to be better if Prince had produced it.

At the moment it sounds kind of weak and soft, and the James Brown type adlibs sound kind of like a kareoke level of conviction to my ears.

On the other hand that older track (that had Prince on it) ""Givin' Em What They Love"" sounded great to me. As did many other tracks that follow.

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mbdtyler said:

Only a very small amount of people bought into the whole Tide Pod fad, and not even all of them were young teens. Just because those relative few people were dumbasses doesn't mean an entire generation of kids are dumbasses. It was all overblown nonsense like a lot of shit on the internet. And buddy, let me tell you, you aren't better than young folks just because they listen to the top 40 instead of Prince. But if it helps you sleep at night to believe that, then you do you lol



Hey "buddy", learn to read an comprehend...
I never said anything about "an entire generation of kids" being dumbasses, apparently you see them as that, so don't put that on me...
I only singled out the dumbfucks (Tide Pod munchers AND condom sniffer) who are dumb enough to fall and buy into garbage and therefore are an easy target for corprate sales fucks...

Your rant about me feeling better than "young folks" because of Top 40 music is entirely baseless, so why mention something completely irrelevant as that other than to deflect from your rather ignorant post in this topic?

So, again, don't put your retarded prejudices on me "kiddo"...

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Reply #16 posted 04/09/18 5:23am

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Neversin said:

mbdtyler said:

rolleyes This kind of anti-youth gatekeeping is real old.


Just mentioning a fact...

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More elderly people eat Tide Pods.

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Reply #17 posted 04/09/18 5:25am

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mmart2008 said:

As Janelle Monae brings out the great track, " The way you make me feel" , touched by Prince, I thought it would be a great idea for a lot of his unreleased material, if good enough!, could be re-recorded and produced buy other Prince influenced acts.

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Hundreds of unreleased tunes, thousands of unreleased concert recordings, and you want COVERS?

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Reply #18 posted 04/09/18 7:01am

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mmart2008 said:

As Janelle Monae brings out the great track, " The way you make me feel" , touched by Prince, I thought it would be a great idea for a lot of his unreleased material, if good enough!, could be re-recorded and produced buy other Prince influenced acts.

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Hundreds of unreleased tunes, thousands of unreleased concert recordings, and you want COVERS?

Aren't you getting used to it after all those years?

Some people come here with the strangest ideas. You know like, things you really wonder "how in the world did they even get to think about any such thing, how do their brains work because it would never have crossed my mind, not in a lifetime!" lol

Like Strange But True was composed in 1999 for Vanity, that kind of insane stuff eek

It kills me sometimes, too, but we have to live with it...

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Reply #19 posted 04/09/18 7:25am

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No.

I have zero desire in listening to covers of unreleased Prince music. Nor would Prince have condoned artists he didn't approve of using his vault material. Those kind of projects were only possible in his lifetime.

The standard of some of the vault material already leaked unofficially is superior or equal in quality to the material Prince released. Prince isn't really comparable to 'most' artists. This is a guy who reserved some of his strongest tracks for b-sides.

Prince even openly stated in interviews that he'd kept the best songs in the vault rather than selecting them for official releases. Morris Hayes recently reported that the greatest Prince music he'd ever heard was an album of unreleased material Prince played to him in his car.
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Reply #20 posted 04/09/18 7:45am

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Morris Hayes recently reported that the greatest Prince music he'd ever heard was an album of unreleased material Prince played to him in his car.

Did he say what it was exactly?

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Reply #21 posted 04/09/18 2:48pm

mmart2008

I look forward to hearing it, I hope I'm wrong about the Vault Material I really do. But why would any artist release albums that were not as good as music they didn't release, kept in a vault , makes absolutely no sence. If there's an album sequenced together with 10 better songs than Purple Rain, I'll eat several hats.

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Reply #22 posted 04/09/18 2:50pm

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mmart2008 said:

I look forward to hearing it, I hope I'm wrong about the Vault Material I really do. But why would any artist release albums that were not as good as music they didn't release, kept in a vault , makes absolutely no sence. If there's an album sequenced together with 10 better songs than Purple Rain, I'll eat several hats.

well he did..time and time again.....

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Reply #23 posted 04/11/18 1:15am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Neversin said:

mbdtyler said:


Just mentioning a fact...

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More elderly people eat Tide Pods.


I don't think that was the point. I think his point is that these people are the people who the companies aim for to sell the product to.

But in my opinion I don''t think people are waiting for covers of unreleased Prince songs or even released songs. I heard rumors that Prince made a lot of videos for even unreleased songs so he could release songs and promote them with a video for years to come even after his death.

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Reply #24 posted 04/11/18 3:01pm

mmart2008

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Hundreds of unreleased tunes, thousands of unreleased concert recordings, and you want COVERS?

Aren't you getting used to it after all those years?

Some people come here with the strangest ideas. You know like, things you really wonder "how in the world did they even get to think about any such thing, how do their brains work because it would never have crossed my mind, not in a lifetime!" lol

Like Strange But True was composed in 1999 for Vanity, that kind of insane stuff eek

It kills me sometimes, too, but we have to live with it...

If Prince didn't want people to play his songs, why did he let people sing his songs, why did he record whole albums for other artists. If Prince writes a song and maybe records a version of it, surely, if someone records it and releases it, it's a cover ! Mine maybe a strange idea but it's the sort of strange thing Prince may have done. Signing a million dollar contract and then trying to change his name to a sqiggle to get out of it, wearing a mask on his face and having someone answer questions for him. never allowing jounalists to write down answers to their questions....... Beck wrote a book of songs with new music for other people to record. Like I said, I look forward to a whole bunch of Prince albums as good as Purple rain etc...Guess we'll see.

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mmart2008 said:

databank said:

Aren't you getting used to it after all those years?

Some people come here with the strangest ideas. You know like, things you really wonder "how in the world did they even get to think about any such thing, how do their brains work because it would never have crossed my mind, not in a lifetime!" lol

Like Strange But True was composed in 1999 for Vanity, that kind of insane stuff eek

It kills me sometimes, too, but we have to live with it...

If Prince didn't want people to play his songs, why did he let people sing his songs, why did he record whole albums for other artists. If Prince writes a song and maybe records a version of it, surely, if someone records it and releases it, it's a cover ! Mine maybe a strange idea but it's the sort of strange thing Prince may have done. Signing a million dollar contract and then trying to change his name to a sqiggle to get out of it, wearing a mask on his face and having someone answer questions for him. never allowing jounalists to write down answers to their questions....... Beck wrote a book of songs with new music for other people to record. Like I said, I look forward to a whole bunch of Prince albums as good as Purple rain etc...Guess we'll see.

I don't find your specific idea strange from a pure marketing perspective: it could actually be a good way for the estate to make easy cash.

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But we, as fans, what do we have to gain from it? Nada

And then I find it the strangest idea, from a fan's perspective, as in "give me a cover instead of the real song". This is crazy and has nothing to do whatsoever with what Prince did in the past. Prince is dead.

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Just give me what's in the vault, as such. Then you can have Janelle, Kimbra and Miguel cover if you feel so inclined.

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mmart2008 said:



databank said:




BartVanHemelen said:



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Hundreds of unreleased tunes, thousands of unreleased concert recordings, and you want COVERS?



Aren't you getting used to it after all those years?


Some people come here with the strangest ideas. You know like, things you really wonder "how in the world did they even get to think about any such thing, how do their brains work because it would never have crossed my mind, not in a lifetime!" lol


Like Strange But True was composed in 1999 for Vanity, that kind of insane stuff eek


It kills me sometimes, too, but we have to live with it...



If Prince didn't want people to play his songs, why did he let people sing his songs, why did he record whole albums for other artists. If Prince writes a song and maybe records a version of it, surely, if someone records it and releases it, it's a cover ! Mine maybe a strange idea but it's the sort of strange thing Prince may have done. Signing a million dollar contract and then trying to change his name to a sqiggle to get out of it, wearing a mask on his face and having someone answer questions for him. never allowing jounalists to write down answers to their questions..... Beck wrote a book of songs with new music for other people to record. Like I said, I look forward to a whole bunch of Prince albums as good as Purple rain etc...Guess we'll see.



Prince was notoriously protective of his music as everyone here well knows. Collaborations were only possible in his lifetime when he was present to authorise them.

Any remaining collaborations and protege albums in the vault can be released as is and as Prince intended them.

Prince strongly warned against 'duets' and collaborations from beyond the grave. I have no desire to sell out a legend and a legacy that will remain for generations for a few transient hits.
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Reply #27 posted 04/12/18 3:06am

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mmart2008 said:

I look forward to hearing it, I hope I'm wrong about the Vault Material I really do. But why would any artist release albums that were not as good as music they didn't release, kept in a vault , makes absolutely no sence. If there's an album sequenced together with 10 better songs than Purple Rain, I'll eat several hats.



There is. It's called 'Sign O' Times'.

Why would Prince leave songs such as the studio version of 'Empty Room' and 'All My Dreams' (to name but two) unreleased?

Why would he relegate songs like '17 Days' and 'She's Always in my Hair' to b-sides?

The evidence and the precedent is already there.
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Reply #28 posted 04/12/18 2:08pm

mmart2008

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mmart2008 said:

I look forward to hearing it, I hope I'm wrong about the Vault Material I really do. But why would any artist release albums that were not as good as music they didn't release, kept in a vault , makes absolutely no sence. If there's an album sequenced together with 10 better songs than Purple Rain, I'll eat several hats.

There is. It's called 'Sign O' Times'. Why would Prince leave songs such as the studio version of 'Empty Room' and 'All My Dreams' (to name but two) unreleased? Why would he relegate songs like '17 Days' and 'She's Always in my Hair' to b-sides? The evidence and the precedent is already there.

I meant in the vault, Sign O' The Times was obviously released. You're absolutely right, I think all the B sides off the ATWIAD singles were good enough to be on the album, along with All my dreams , would have been a great double. But all these B sides have been released, they are not in the vault, they may have not been on an album, but they are out there. I simply mean, I doubt there are any group of songs put together in the order of an album close to anything he released in his best years. and as I keep saying, I really hope I'm wrong! Most unreleased stuff I've heard, which is not a great deal I admit, is what it is, unreleased for a reason. Most artists go through a purple patch where they release a run of great 3 minute pop songs, after that, they struggle to get that back, and that's fine. Prince had some great pop moments after his best years,Seven- classic Prince, Joint to Joint- spoiled this by making it about 8 minutes long with a tap dance solo, Black sweat-loved this , Gold-loved this along with the rest of the album, The love we make- could have been Purple Rain with more care in production, Hot wit u-perfect pop, Sex in the summer-too long, Sleep around- too long again but great dance track, Soul sanctuary- beautiful track, What do u want me to do- underated track. So you see, I have every Prince album but, when I used to go to record fares, back in the day, I bought Cd's with stuff on and I realised that there was a reason why they were not on albums or released.

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