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Reply #30 posted 06/27/17 4:16am

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There's no doubt that Prince signed off on the 2015 Paisley Park remaster of Purple Rain, none at all. There is great doubt that he signed off on the disk of unreleased material though. Prince is blaming Warners here because he delivered the PP remaster and they won't release it. What's more likely though, is that they were expecting unreleased material and Prince wouldn't give it to them. We know how Prince was about people getting a piece of the purple pie. If he didn't get enough cash he wouldn't be offering up the unreleased stuff. But he's handed over the remaster so in his mind it was all up to them now.


Oh I’m not disputing that at all. I think all signs point to him only delivering PR remaster and you’re probably right about the rest of it.

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Reply #31 posted 06/27/17 4:30am

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I remember some years ago someone asked Prince about the outtakes for Purple Rain anniversary, and Prince answered something like, "there are no outtakes from Purple Rain". I do not remember where I read the question / answer, damn. But I think it is clear Prince was not planning any "from vault" cd for the Purple Rain Anniversary. It is a Warner Bros project.

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Reply #32 posted 06/27/17 5:28am

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Its obvious WB did a botch job and did the remaster based on stuff they had already had for a while or mixdowns/samples Prince directly gave to them when he first started the project with them....but then later abandoned.

Ask yourself these questions....

1) Is this the same package that Prince presented to Warner Bros?

2) Would Prince really have submitted a track like We Can Fuck, for example?

3) Would Prince really have submitted tracks that don’t really have much to do with the Purple Rain era, and in some cases were recorded far later?

4) Would Prince really have neglected to include the long-awaited extended version of 17 Days, which doesn’t appear on here?

5) Are these tracks from the real vault masters or from mixdown tapes that WB have been sitting on for years, because they don’t have access to the vault?


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Erm, why have you literally copied and pasted from my Purple Rain Deluxe review as if these were your own words? Was it that hard to re-write them while making the same point? WTF?





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Reply #33 posted 06/27/17 6:36am

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Here's the deal people with the unreleased disc. Each year Prince was with WB, he submitted tracks to them for possible inclusion for an album. Let's take Purple Rain... The songs on outtake disc are songs he had given them during late 83-84. Songs like G-Spot, Traffic Jam, Wednesday, and many others are sitting at WB archives and they have access to them but they couldn't release them with Prince's consent.

Now that Prince has passed, WB can go into "their vault" and get whatever tracks they like. Prince's estate is not going to block a release of a song like "We Can Fuck" because they will benefit financially. WB and the estate know the consumer (us) want songs like "WCF" and "Wonderful Ass."

Quite honestly I'm surprised WB didn't put out more of what they have access to unless they plan on releasing a supplement to Purple Rain in the future. When and if we get a 1999 remaster, I'm sure we'll see songs like the original "Extralovable" and "Lust U Always" with the rape reference intact.

Once WB has exhausted their treasure trove of Prince outtakes from his years with them, that's when the real bidding war will commence for Prince's estate. Once Prince left WB, he only submitted finished products to whoever he was with for that time.

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Reply #34 posted 06/27/17 6:53am

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antonb said:


It's my understanding that Warner's already had these tracks in there own storage place. They haven't come from Paisley park.According to Funkenberry anyhow.

That's correct. Whatever Prince submitted to WB for each album during his years with them is what they have access to. Songs that we have as boots, WB may not actually have and they would have to get special permission from the estate to release those songs.



Yeah, this. Not once have i thought they came from boots. There would be way more on here if they were imo
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Reply #35 posted 06/27/17 5:53pm

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Here's the deal people with the unreleased disc. Each year Prince was with WB, he submitted tracks to them for possible inclusion for an album. Let's take Purple Rain... The songs on outtake disc are songs he had given them during late 83-84. Songs like G-Spot, Traffic Jam, Wednesday, and many others are sitting at WB archives and they have access to them but they couldn't release them with Prince's consent.

That's what I believe as well. If they have G Spot (and All Day All Night) I'm pissed they didn't put in on the Vault disc instead of filler like "Katrina's Paper Dolls" or "Velvet Kitty Kat", which don't sound like they belong in this era. I'm happy with the project but it could've been so much better with more effort.

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Reply #36 posted 06/27/17 10:17pm

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homesquid said:


I'm enjoying PR Deluxe and all but the more I reaearch the more I realize the Vault disc is totally haphazard and partially random. Does WB really have access to the vault? I have my doubts. There is but a handful of actual Purple Rain outtakes here. And then questionable versions. How the heck could they choose the solo "Dance Electric" over the fuller one with W&L for example?



I thought they picked that version of Dance Electric because that version was the one created during Purple Rain era. The fuller version was done significantly later.


I'm pretty sure you're correct.
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Reply #37 posted 06/27/17 10:19pm

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They don't have the access to the vault in Paisley Park.



The Purple Rain remaster is what Prince initially submitted them and they refused to release it as such without the outtakes. Now they've chosen to release what they've got: the Joshua Welton engineered remaster of PR despite its flaws and the outtakes they could put together from their own sources (and possibly a few of them lifted directly from releases by bootleg labels that were deemed "good enough" for the purpose).

If they had access to the original tapes in Paisley Park the release would have obviously been of higher quality throughout.


There's no vault music stored in PP. those tapes are stored properly now someplace.
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Reply #38 posted 06/27/17 10:21pm

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Wb is doing exactly what prince has been suing people for years over ... wb is illegally releasing outtakes ... these outtakes did not come directly from prince vault ... he did not give wb permission ... and worst of all, these are unfinished versions of tracks that were definitely finished by prince and sound great as finished songs .. had prince provided the actual outtakes we would have pristine copies of his best and finished outtakes right now ... what wb did was to pull a fast one on the estate AND the fans... i want to see the estate demand full disclosure of the wb cobtract that supposedly provided for the release of these outtakes... wb is just another illegal bootlegger at this point

Well technically Prince doesn't own them and left no will.
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Reply #39 posted 06/27/17 10:52pm

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novabrkr said:

They don't have the access to the vault in Paisley Park.


The Purple Rain remaster is what Prince initially submitted them and they refused to release it as such without the outtakes. Now they've chosen to release what they've got: the Joshua Welton engineered remaster of PR despite its flaws and the outtakes they could put together from their own sources (and possibly a few of them lifted directly from releases by bootleg labels that were deemed "good enough" for the purpose).

If they had access to the original tapes in Paisley Park the release would have obviously been of higher quality throughout.

There's no vault music stored in PP. those tapes are stored properly now someplace.

And how do you know?

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Reply #40 posted 06/28/17 1:55am

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maceoparker007 said:


Its obvious WB did a botch job and did the remaster based on stuff they had already had for a while or mixdowns/samples Prince directly gave to them when he first started the project with them....but then later abandoned.

Ask yourself these questions....

1) Is this the same package that Prince presented to Warner Bros?

2) Would Prince really have submitted a track like We Can Fuck, for example?

3) Would Prince really have submitted tracks that don’t really have much to do with the Purple Rain era, and in some cases were recorded far later?

4) Would Prince really have neglected to include the long-awaited extended version of 17 Days, which doesn’t appear on here?

5) Are these tracks from the real vault masters or from mixdown tapes that WB have been sitting on for years, because they don’t have access to the vault?



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Erm, why have you literally copied and pasted from my Purple Rain Deluxe review as if these were your own words? Was it that hard to re-write them while making the same point? WTF?










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Sorry was meant to include a link, you wrote it so concisely. Have updated the original post
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Reply #41 posted 06/28/17 5:41am

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homesquid said:

joyinrepetition said:

Here's the deal people with the unreleased disc. Each year Prince was with WB, he submitted tracks to them for possible inclusion for an album. Let's take Purple Rain... The songs on outtake disc are songs he had given them during late 83-84. Songs like G-Spot, Traffic Jam, Wednesday, and many others are sitting at WB archives and they have access to them but they couldn't release them with Prince's consent.

That's what I believe as well. If they have G Spot (and All Day All Night) I'm pissed they didn't put in on the Vault disc instead of filler like "Katrina's Paper Dolls" or "Velvet Kitty Kat", which don't sound like they belong in this era. I'm happy with the project but it could've been so much better with more effort.

Yeah especially G-Spot since that song proceeded Electric Intercourse in the original movie script

those other 2 were the Time / Vanity 6 outtakes.

the Vanity 6 version of Sex Shooter would have been prefered.

How about Traffic Jam...

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Reply #42 posted 06/28/17 2:54pm

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maceoparker007 said:

Militant said:




Erm, why have you literally copied and pasted from my Purple Rain Deluxe review as if these were your own words? Was it that hard to re-write them while making the same point? WTF?





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Sorry was meant to include a link, you wrote it so concisely. Have updated the original post

Thank you. cool

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Reply #43 posted 06/28/17 4:52pm

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Wb is doing exactly what prince has been suing people for years over ... wb is illegally releasing outtakes ... these outtakes did not come directly from prince vault ... he did not give wb permission ... and worst of all, these are unfinished versions of tracks that were definitely finished by prince and sound great as finished songs .. had prince provided the actual outtakes we would have pristine copies of his best and finished outtakes right now ... what wb did was to pull a fast one on the estate AND the fans... i want to see the estate demand full disclosure of the wb cobtract that supposedly provided for the release of these outtakes... wb is just another illegal bootlegger at this point

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