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Reply #150 posted 06/24/17 7:23pm

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siriusfunk said:

Just listening to disc 2 for the 4th time on my headphones. Love it. So bittersweet to hear these songs. All of us have spent so much time waiting for new albums from Prince each year. Each year we also say to ourselves man I wish I could hear some high quality vault material. Makes me happy and sad at same time. Question. The rapping on Wonderful Ass. I've heard this song a billion times before and I always think I've heard someone else rapping a similar tune. I know INXS Mediate sounds similar but was there something done earlier? I am curious if INXS got this from Prince. Just curious. Its really bugging me for some reason. Help...

Answered my own question. Nevermind my post. Someone pointed this out earlier. Bob Dylan is the answer.
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Reply #151 posted 06/24/17 7:24pm

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Militant said:

Doozer said:

The biggest surprise for me is hearing that most of the vocals from We Can Funk on Graffiti Bridge were sourced from the version included on this set. The whole "you can blow a candle off" part came directly from this version. As someone else said, I'm not sure how you can pull a song that was great 7 years later, add George Clinton to it and make it less interesting, but that's what happened. The rest of the Vault disc is simply the only reason to buy this set from a music standpoint, and it's worth every penny. The remaster disc is a coaster, and the b-sides/extended/edits disc offers nothing new.


It's not that surprising when you consider that "Can't Stop This Feeling I Got" for example was originally recorded in 1982, and then re-worked a lot in 1986.

"The Question Of U" is from 1985 and "Joy In Repetition" is from 1986. And "Tick, Tick, Bang" dates back to 1981.






Yes, the years and revisiting all makes sense…I'm saying that when I heard We Can Funk on GB the day it was released in '90, in my head it sounded like a vanilla version of the 1986 version that's part of the trifecta of Girl O' My Dreams/Can't Stop/We Can Funk. I thought…man, it's so inferior to the original version. But, it IS the original version, at least a good portion of it, anyway. I had just listened to that "trifecta" so much that it was the definitive "original" in my mind.

With Tick Tick Bang, it was so radically different than the 81 version that it's a different song to me. And, JIR is identical to the 86 version meant for Crystal Ball, and was just a clean version of what I had heard before (minus the intro).

We Can Fuck just came out of nowhere for me in regards to how much was used for the released version on GB. I had no idea.

[Edited 6/24/17 19:25pm]

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Reply #152 posted 06/24/17 7:47pm

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In listening to these tracks, you can hear that some of them definitely came from a vinyl copy and were 'cleaned up' in an DAW / audio program. It's very faint to hear (as whomever did it, did a good job), but you can hear noise that comes directly from vinyl playback. It's not bad what WB did, but it was unfortunate that they couldn't source the master mixes. It somewhat makes me a little concerned moving forward as I wonder if this is going to be the norm for future Prince releases of unreleased material.

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Reply #153 posted 06/24/17 9:20pm

diapsid

Some data:

Dance Electric

-9.7 LKFS (LUFS)

14,311 peaks over 0dBFS



Love and Sex

-9.0 LKFS

4,905 peaks over 0dBFS



Computer Blue

-10.7 LKFS

1,678 peaks over 0dBFS



Electric Intercourse

-12.4 LKFS

1,612 peaks over 0dBFS



Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden

-12.6 LKFS

3,531 peaks over 0dBFS



Posessed

-11.8 LKFS

3,131 peaks over 0dBFS



Wonderful Ass

-9.5 LKFS

28,306 peaks over 0dBFS



Velvet Kitty Cat

-12.3 LKFS

2,446 peaks over 0dBFS



Katrina's Paper Dolls

-11.6 LKFS

2,792 peaks over 0dBFS



We Can Fuck

-10.5 LKFS

9,697 peaks over 0dBFS



Father's Song

-15.1 LKFS

27 peaks over 0dBFS

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Reply #154 posted 06/24/17 10:00pm

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i hear " shes always in my hair" in "wonder ass". i hear "scarlet pussy"

in" velvet kitty". then i hear "for the tears in your eyes" in" katrinas paperdolls". its interesting to hear free loose jams that eventually form new life in a different completed song

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Reply #155 posted 06/25/17 1:40am

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Thanks jdcxc and Sirius funk! biggrin

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Reply #156 posted 06/25/17 1:44am

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siriusfunk said:

siriusfunk said:
Just listening to disc 2 for the 4th time on my headphones. Love it. So bittersweet to hear these songs. All of us have spent so much time waiting for new albums from Prince each year. Each year we also say to ourselves man I wish I could hear some high quality vault material. Makes me happy and sad at same time. Question. The rapping on Wonderful Ass. I've heard this song a billion times before and I always think I've heard someone else rapping a similar tune. I know INXS Mediate sounds similar but was there something done earlier? I am curious if INXS got this from Prince. Just curious. Its really bugging me for some reason. Help...
Answered my own question. Nevermind my post. Someone pointed this out earlier. Bob Dylan is the answer.

Yes, according to one of the Bio's I've read (DMSR or Possessed?) there was a popular INXS song at the time, Mediate, that used these phrases but on further investigation it seems that song was not released until 1987 which somewhat disproves that theory. According to Princevault it was originally from a 1965 Bob Dylan song, Subbterranean Homesick Blues. Perhaps this was one of the reasons it wasn't released along with the content of the lyrics biggrin

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Reply #157 posted 06/25/17 3:20am

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Apologies if it's already been discussed elsewhere. Velvet Kitty Cat seems obvious to me to be a demo for Vanity 6 (or Apollonia 6) as it is sung from a female point of view and has the characteristic double meaning. I think Katrina's Paper Dolls is probably the same (a demo for Vanity 6).

Agree that Dance Electric and Possessed go on for far too long. That said, I wouldn't trade them for anything.

Computer Blue (Hallway) - I still can't understand all of the "hallway" lyrics under all the other sounds.

I'm actually happy to finally have a Purple Rain edit. I don't need to hear the full version everytime.

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Reply #158 posted 06/25/17 4:03am

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First impression: although some songs I would have prefered in a different version (The Dance Electric, Wonderful Ass) this is still a fantastic collection of gems in my opinion!!!

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Reply #159 posted 06/25/17 4:18am

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I get 'International Lover' feels in 'We Can Fuck', is it a sequel?

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Reply #160 posted 06/25/17 4:26am

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I'm posting these thoughts here as they mostly address CD2, and could not find a sticky thread for the release as a whole...

Oh man, where to start? I have such conflicted feelings about this release.
The vault tracks are of course a joy… But the release as a whole feels like such a random patchwork. I see these deluxe releases as opportunities to consolidate the legacy of certain musical landmarks, but in this case the presence of a bunch of unreleased tracks, despite their brilliance, feels so forceful. They come out of nowhere in this context.

I feel most of disc 2 could have been curated by Wendy and Lisa and become the “Roadhouse Garden” CD on its own. But of course that would not sell half as much, so these gems become a bunch of thrown-in tracks that don’t really have a connection with the movie (or even its narrative or aesthetic). All these unreleased tracks could have been a great release on their own, properly sequenced and given its own form…


Then Computer Blue extended could be added to the “extended mixes and edits” CD… “WCF” would be added to a future box set… the 7” edits could just go IMHO… and Ice Cream Castle, Modernaire and the A6 album would be added to the PR package.

So my “dream version” of PR Deluxe would be
CD1 PR remaster + b-sides + Father’s Song
CD2 12” singles versions + Computer Blue extended + Modernaire
CD3 A6 + Ice Cream Castle
DVD Syracuse

Then a different release with Possessed, Electric Intercourse, Dance Electric, Wonderful Ass, Love and Sex etc etc called…
Roadhouse Garden


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Reply #161 posted 06/25/17 4:52am

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This version of We Can Fuck...Omg.
It's one of the best thing ever recorded by him.In the top ten for sure,imo.
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Reply #162 posted 06/25/17 5:33am

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TheEnglishGent said:

Philly76 said:

Disc2: Seriously, the song collection is mostly about sex, sex and sex. So what? Also musically mediocre at best except Computer Blue and maybe Dance Electric.

Prince's entire catalogue is mostly about that.


Hahahaha. Exactly. Philly76 is clearly a troll.

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Reply #163 posted 06/25/17 5:59am

fairmoan

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listening to the whole of cd2 I can clearly say that at that point in his career Prince had a good ear as far as what he released and what he kept unreleased. These tracks were clearly deemed inferior, and with good reason. I tend to side with Prince on these choices and I think they should have remained unreleased. Not even good enough for b-sides. The sound quality is great though. Better than what we had before. [Edited 6/24/17 12:35pm]

Couldn't disagree more.

Apart from When Doves Cry and (at a stretch) Purple Rain, I would take Wonderful Ass, Electric Intercourse and We Can Fuck over anything on Purple Rain.

Which isn't to say those tracks would have been a good fit for Purple Rain.

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Reply #164 posted 06/25/17 6:00am

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I love everything and its hard to really complain at all. The only complaint I might have is that I really wanted the version of We Can Funk that runs approx 5:30 with the incredible bass and the Miko weaver guitaar solo at the end. That's always been my favorite version and wished to hear it cleaaned up a bit and released officially. This version is more similar to the one that eventually was on GB.

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Reply #165 posted 06/25/17 6:51am

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I heard somebody stole the low end on We Can Fuck and ran away with it...

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Reply #166 posted 06/25/17 6:53am

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fen said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Yeah I definitely agree, I was listening to the various versions of We Can Funk that are included on Work It 2.0 just now, and man it is a fascinating journey to see how that song developed over time. There's so many different versions, some with the synth drums and some with the live ones from this version, several with additional instruments like a Bernie Worrell-esque bass synth and a cuica, and a few where you have Garry Shider (I think) from P-Funk singing the second verse. There's even a 10 minute version which keeps the kind of melancholic sounding musical section from We Can Funk but doesn't have any of the really vulnerable Prince spoken word bits on it. I've always been partial to all the different versions of this track (unlike many here I like the 1986 and 1989 equally) and it's fascinating to be able to see where it all started here. There are many faults with this release but overall I'm super glad that it was put out, solely thanks to gems like this on disc 2.

Yes, I was surprised by how much of it found its way onto the GB version. So much so that I'm still struggling to shake the image of George urinating into a cup whenever I listen to it. I had no idea that Gary Shider featured on one of the versions. I think that I've heard them all, but I'm not sure.

As a rule, the initial creative impulse nearly always yields the best work in my view (not something that Prince readily acknowledged). The thing is, if you're starting with something that's virtually perfect, you can only ever subtract from it. It's odd to think of the young Prince censoring himself, but I can only think that it was the explicit lyrics that led him to shelve it – musically and conceptually, it's clearly the definitive version. The lyrics sound remarkably blunt even by today's standards.

fen, I agree with you that the explicit content in WCF is the reason why it remained in the vault all of these years. The explicit content is the only reason that explains why it remained in the vault because in every way, the song is a masterpeice. My interpretation of the song is that it is 10 minutes of Prince either (a) having sex in the recording studio or (b) re-living a sexual encounter from start to finish in a song. It is musical pornography.

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I have read parts of Alex Hahn and Laura Tiebert's book The Rise of Prince (book club here: http://prince.org/msg/7/441586), and it is clear from reading that book that Prince did experience some inner conflicts regarding the sexual nature of his music conflicting with his religious beliefs. I wonder if it was Prince who self-censored this song or if it was WB. The song is certainly very explicit by today's standards.

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I wonder if he intended this song to be on 1999 or on PR. Stylistically, it fits with 1999 songs like Lady Cab Driver and International Lover. However, if the make-out scene between Apollonia and Prince in PR were extended to be a full-on sexual encounter, I could see WCF as being the song playing during that scene.

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Reply #167 posted 06/25/17 8:42am

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I love it...And "Wonderful Ass" seriously needs to be a single. That's a top 10 hit IMO... The word Ass is no longer censored on radio, so it could work.

I've already made a new playlist as the "Roadhouse Garden" album.
1. Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden
2. Love and Sex
3. Electric Intercourse
4. Wonderful Ass
5. We Can Fuck
6. Splash
7. All My Dreams
Running time is at around 44:30...
[Edited 6/25/17 9:05am]
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Reply #168 posted 06/25/17 9:29am

OnlyNDaUsa

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I had no idea the original We Can Fuck was the Graffiti Bridge tempo version, like a proto Doves Cry keyboard solo.

The lower tempo version is a billion times better, but then you don't get the dry drumkit workout so much.

And enough with the Bulmers Prison Labour virtue signalling, Spotify!

[Edited 6/23/17 11:59am]

[Edited 6/23/17 12:01pm]

the END of WDC sounds a lot like the end of WCF. Making me wonder if Doves replaced Fuck and that ending was meant to lead into I would Die 4 U

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Reply #169 posted 06/25/17 10:41am

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rebelenterprise said:

I love it...And "Wonderful Ass" seriously needs to be a single. That's a top 10 hit IMO... The word Ass is no longer censored on radio, so it could work.

I've already made a new playlist as the "Roadhouse Garden" album.
1. Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden
2. Love and Sex
3. Electric Intercourse
4. Wonderful Ass
5. We Can Fuck
6. Splash
7. All My Dreams
Running time is at around 44:30...
[Edited 6/25/17 9:05am]


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Reply #170 posted 06/25/17 11:05am

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Has anyone heard a version of Dance Electric that doesn't start mid phrase
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Reply #171 posted 06/25/17 11:18am

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After giving all the songs a chance to sink in, here's my verdict and my favorite's in order.

1- Wonderful A$$- "When Doves Cry" used to be my all time favorite song. After hearing WA a year ago for the first time , it's a tie, and it surpasses any other song in it's vicinity. I would have bought this album for the Price, just to have a clearer version of this song. 10/10

2- Electric Intercourse- I never thought a studio version would have been able to surpass the treasure that was the live version, but this studio version takes no prisoners. It kills it. It surpasses the live version, which shocked me to the core... 10/10

3- We can F%#k- eek!!!! boxed 10/10

4-Love And sex- I absolutely love this song. It's playful and energetically fun. I just smile ear to ear hearing him scream sing. 10/10

5-Dance Electric- I never had Prince's version of this song, so I'm pretty much on cloud 9! Amazing! This would have been a hit back in the day.. 10/10

6-Katrina's Paper Dolls- Quirky little song that grows on you. At first you think you might not like it... Then bam! You love it! 9/10

7-Computer Blue Hall way speech - Crazy and wild adventure. Love It! 10/10

8-Possessed- This song is so cool. makes me excited to watch Purple Rain just to hear the intro. 9/10


9-Father's Song- Simply Beautiful 8/10

10-Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden- While Prince's version of OD is my favorite, It's great having this one as well. They both are songs that you grow to like. RG 8/10 - OD 7.5/10

11-Velvet Kitty Kat- This song was never my favorite, but it's Unique and its Prince, sooo.. 7/10
[Edited 6/26/17 5:19am]
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Reply #172 posted 06/25/17 11:23am

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Just a quick Note on "Electric Intercource"

The most common bootleg version is not the same or from the live performance on Aug 1983.

It is from the "wake up Wendy" rehearsal. Someone (maybe T) edited it and cleaned it up some.


[Edited 6/25/17 13:04pm]

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Reply #173 posted 06/25/17 12:32pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Just a quick Note on "Electric Intercource"

The most common bootleg version is not the same or from the live performance on Aug 1993.

It is from the "wake up Wendy" rehearsal. Someone (maybe T) edited it and cleaned it up some.



You mean August 1983, right?

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Reply #174 posted 06/25/17 1:04pm

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Doozer said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Just a quick Note on "Electric Intercource"

The most common bootleg version is not the same or from the live performance on Aug 1993.

It is from the "wake up Wendy" rehearsal. Someone (maybe T) edited it and cleaned it up some.



You mean August 1983, right?

lol d'oh

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Reply #175 posted 06/25/17 1:21pm

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Who sings backing vocals on We Can F**K?

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #176 posted 06/25/17 1:35pm

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Who sings backing vocals on We Can F**K?



It's Wendy & Lisa isn't it, or are you going to imply its Jill Jones to wind OF4S up...
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Reply #177 posted 06/25/17 1:35pm

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paulludvig said:

Who sings backing vocals on We Can F**K?

according to Princevault

Purple Rain Deluxe version (as We Can F**k)

http://princevault.com/index.php?title=We_Can_Funk

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Reply #178 posted 06/25/17 1:45pm

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So sad... WBR and Prince had numerous archivers contact them over the years to start or help out with a "Purple Rain" Expanded set and provide them with material to let them know what was out there... Hearing this disc now is just sad and seems like a half-assed rush job for a payday...
"The Dance Electric" is the version before the guitar dub and the final edit, so why this one was included is just mind boggeling especially since this has been "out there" for years in better quality than this release...


"Love And Sex" is awesome and new to me...


"Computer Blue" is out there in better quality and without glitches...


"Electric Intercourse" is awesome and a huge upgrade to the 2.5 minute warped tape sample that was out there...


"Our Destiny/ Roadhouse Garden" now this is a real bad cut and paste job... The "Our Destiny" ending is longer and segues perfectly into "Roadhouse Garden", where this came from is just a big WTF moment for everyone I talked to the last days...
"Possessed" is awesome and new to me, only heard the instrumental of this...
"Wonderful Ass" and "Velvet Kitty Cat" is the same as the original tape that has been going around for eons... I just need a better version of the re-recorded "Velvet Kitty Cat" from "Parade" era, that would be perfect...
"Katrina's Paper Dolls" is Prince's first re-recorded version in great quality, the second version is the most awesome though...
"We Can Fuck", Holy fuck this is AWESOME! Only heard 6 minutes of this one in true steaming pile of shit quality for about 20+ years, this is truly amazing!
"Father's Song" is nice but not the finished studio version but the rehearsal guide tape with flourishes to work on...



So all in all, as I've said before, WBR/NPG never listened to fans, collectors or archivers who were more than willing to help out FOR FREE and without the need of any credit whatsoever...



Neversin.



Thanks for your input. I wish I could hear that better version of Katrina's Paper Doll... eek
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Reply #179 posted 06/25/17 1:49pm

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iwonderyou said:

In listening to these tracks, you can hear that some of them definitely came from a vinyl copy and were 'cleaned up' in an DAW / audio program. It's very faint to hear (as whomever did it, did a good job), but you can hear noise that comes directly from vinyl playback. It's not bad what WB did, but it was unfortunate that they couldn't source the master mixes. It somewhat makes me a little concerned moving forward as I wonder if this is going to be the norm for future Prince releases of unreleased material.



I know this is exactly how I feel. Does the Prince Estate have any relationship with WB or are the two completely independent from each other?

Assuming the estate has all the original tape recordings are they allowed to release albums IN TRUE REMASTERS even though WB owns them?

I would really like to see some statements from the Estate and what their intentions are....am I correct in saying so far they have not officially released anything? So far its just WB with 'Prince4Ever' and now this remaster of Purple Rain.

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