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Reply #30 posted 06/22/17 1:51pm

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maceoparker007 said:

Isnt it stated anywhere in the booklet that came with album??!?! JESUS CHRIST


This question needs an answer.

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Reply #31 posted 06/22/17 1:51pm

feeluupp

eyewishuheaven said:

maceoparker007 said:

Isnt it stated anywhere in the booklet that came with album??!?! JESUS CHRIST


This question needs an answer.

compare the when doves cry remastered to the 7"... the 3rd cd is deff not remastered...

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Reply #32 posted 06/22/17 2:40pm

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Regardless if discs 2 and 3 are remastered or not, the booklet claims disc 2 and 3 are "remastered by Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, CA"
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Reply #33 posted 06/22/17 2:50pm

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PurpleTrollster said:

Regardless if discs 2 and 3 are remastered or not, the booklet claims disc 2 and 3 are "remastered by Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, CA"

This would suggest that Dr Funkenberry is correct and that Joshua Welton has engineered the mastering of Purple Rain in 2015. I am absolutely shocked to hear that a record of this magnitude has been engineered by someone so inexperienced.

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Reply #34 posted 06/22/17 2:54pm

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PurpleTrollster said:

Regardless if discs 2 and 3 are remastered or not, the booklet claims disc 2 and 3 are "remastered by Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, CA"


Thanks Purple. So, 2 & 3 are done properly.

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Reply #35 posted 06/22/17 2:57pm

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sk1 said:



PurpleTrollster said:


Regardless if discs 2 and 3 are remastered or not, the booklet claims disc 2 and 3 are "remastered by Bernie Grundman at Bernie Grundman Mastering, Hollywood, CA"


This would suggest that Dr Funkenberry is correct and that Joshua Welton has engineered the mastering of Purple Rain in 2015. I am absolutely shocked to hear that a record of this magnitude has been engineered by someone so inexperienced.


From what I hear, I think Josh did a good job for someone who is inexperienced
Though I don't know much about audio, quality, etc
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Reply #36 posted 06/22/17 3:06pm

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the people complaining about sound quality here are a bunch of babies. Some great music was recorded on much more primitive equipement than what we have here. Elvis' early sessions stand with anyone's, ANYONE'S, strongest work and that was done on some really basic stuff. It doesn't take away the power of the art whether you listen to it on a 45 or a cd that's been remastered for the zillionth time.

That's beceause less is often more.

Doctoring the life out of an album often ruins it.

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Reply #37 posted 06/22/17 3:33pm

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JoeyCococo said:

darkroman said:



Totally agree! His work is awesome, but people do like to complain and find fault.

I guarantee a week after release you won't hear anything about this release. By then people will have moved on to complaining about the next release.

Sadly this is the lifecycle of some Prince fans!


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people who do not appreciate great sound just will not understand how important dynamic range is. If you ever listen to Pink Floyd's stuff or Miles Davis classic stuff...you will see what i'm talking about.


Agreed. I remember reading stuff about something called "The Loudness Wars" maybe 10 or 15 years ago and that graph that was posted is a prime example. Everything can't be out in front in a proper mix (then everything sounds like a KISS record) but that seems to be what CD's ultimately gave us and why vinyl sounds so much better.

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Reply #38 posted 06/22/17 3:46pm

sk1

https://www.discogs.com/Prince-And-The-Revolution-Purple-Rain/release/10452248

The credits at the bottom of this page indicate that Disc 1 was remastered by Joshua Welton. Discs 2 & 3 remastered by Bernie Grundman

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Reply #39 posted 06/22/17 4:09pm

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sk1 said:

https://www.discogs.com/Prince-And-The-Revolution-Purple-Rain/release/10452248

The credits at the bottom of this page indicate that Disc 1 was remastered by Joshua Welton. Discs 2 & 3 remastered by Bernie Grundman


OK interesting....I will be getting my CD tomorrow so will be looking at the credits closely and also how each disc sounds

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Reply #40 posted 06/22/17 4:21pm

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sk1 said:

https://www.discogs.com/Prince-And-The-Revolution-Purple-Rain/release/10452248



The credits at the bottom of this page indicate that Disc 1 was remastered by Joshua Welton. Discs 2 & 3 remastered by Bernie Grundman




Yes, Discogs is usually accurate with this kind of info. Well, that explains the bad mastering on CD1 compared to CD 2 and 3. Josh Welton was also reponsible for Art Official Age and HitNRun Phase One, two of the most compressed/brickwalled albums Prince released...
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Reply #41 posted 06/22/17 5:32pm

luvsexy4all

is this what wendy refers to as ..."a mess"

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Reply #42 posted 06/22/17 5:55pm

Haystack

Who gives a shit who mastered what?

Are you enjoying the set? Hurrah!

Are you getting all OCD and wanting to pick apart every technical element of this release and therefore marring your enjoyment of just laying back and enjoying the music? Your problem.

Some people see a bed and know they're going to enjoy a good nights sleep.

And they will sleep well.

Others observe that the bedding isn't egyptian cotton, one of the bedsprings is faulty and the pillow isn't as soft as they'd like.

Those people won't sleep and it'll be their own fault.

It is what it is.
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Reply #43 posted 06/22/17 6:06pm

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Haystack said:

Who gives a shit who mastered what? Are you enjoying the set? Hurrah! Are you getting all OCD and wanting to pick apart every technical element of this release and therefore marring your enjoyment of just laying back and enjoying the music? Your problem. Some people see a bed and know they're going to enjoy a good nights sleep. And they will sleep well. Others observe that the bedding isn't egyptian cotton, one of the bedsprings is faulty and the pillow isn't as soft as they'd like. Those people won't sleep and it'll be their own fault. It is what it is.

what u expect... it's the org... lol

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Reply #44 posted 06/22/17 6:14pm

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Haystack said:

Who gives a shit who mastered what? Are you enjoying the set? Hurrah! Are you getting all OCD and wanting to pick apart every technical element of this release and therefore marring your enjoyment of just laying back and enjoying the music? Your problem. Some people see a bed and know they're going to enjoy a good nights sleep. And they will sleep well. Others observe that the bedding isn't egyptian cotton, one of the bedsprings is faulty and the pillow isn't as soft as they'd like. Those people won't sleep and it'll be their own fault. It is what it is.

Over compressed music and the loudness wars isn't "our own fault". No offense to those who either don't understand or don't care about the loudness wars and its impact, but it really does make a negative impact on the overall fidelity of the audio. Some people actually care about audio fidelity

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Reply #45 posted 06/22/17 7:09pm

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rdhull said:

sk1 said:

At 2.08 minutes into Dr Funkenberry’s latest podcast he says that the Paisley Park 2015 remaster is engineered by Josha Welton. .

mad


mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad

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Reply #46 posted 06/23/17 3:25am

maceoparker007

DAMN that fucking crinkle at the beginning of Erotic City long version gives the track a bad aftertaste....

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Reply #47 posted 06/23/17 3:32am

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maceoparker007 said:

DAMN that fucking crinkle at the beginning of Erotic City long version gives the track a bad aftertaste....

But Bernie did that master so it's golden.

RIP sad
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Reply #48 posted 06/23/17 3:34am

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Apart from the ending of Let's Go Crazy I think the PR remaster sounds great. A definite improvement on the original CD. But that ending of LGC, that is some badly distorted, shocking shit.

RIP sad
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Reply #49 posted 06/23/17 4:29am

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TheEnglishGent said:

maceoparker007 said:

DAMN that fucking crinkle at the beginning of Erotic City long version gives the track a bad aftertaste....

But Bernie did that master so it's golden.


There must be a reason why he left al lot of the imperfections untouched. He must of had a method to his madness....I think he purposefully ignored the drop outs and crinkles like this and focused more on the frequencies and ensuring tracks remained faithful to the original tapes he was given by WB.

We do not know what the orginal state of the WB recordings were when they were given to him.

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Reply #50 posted 06/23/17 4:34am

maceoparker007

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Apart from the ending of Let's Go Crazy I think the PR remaster sounds great. A definite improvement on the original CD. But that ending of LGC, that is some badly distorted, shocking shit.


I disagree although depends what headphones/speakers you are listening on.


Listened to 'Lets Go Crazy' on Disc 1. Its sounds a lot brighter and amped up compared to my original Purple Rain CD.

On my B&O H6 Headphones which have neutral sound...the treble on Lets Go Crazy is slightly harsh...its obvious Joshua Welton is trying to compensate for all those people with common bass heavey headphones e.g Beats.

Even on my H6 Headphones which have a wide soundstage the music sounds cramped.

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Reply #51 posted 06/23/17 5:16am

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According to the linear notes of the CD booklet ALL 3 CDs were remastered by Bernie.

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Reply #52 posted 06/23/17 5:16am

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the people complaining about sound quality here are a bunch of babies. Some great music was recorded on much more primitive equipement than what we have here. Elvis' early sessions stand with anyone's, ANYONE'S, strongest work and that was done on some really basic stuff. It doesn't take away the power of the art whether you listen to it on a 45 or a cd that's been remastered for the zillionth time.


Like I said in another thread I'm glad I'm not an audiophile as I'd probably never enjoy anything. I got this last night on iTunes and have been enjoying it ever since.
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Reply #53 posted 06/23/17 9:32am

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Haystack said:

Who gives a shit who mastered what? Are you enjoying the set? Hurrah! Are you getting all OCD and wanting to pick apart every technical element of this release and therefore marring your enjoyment of just laying back and enjoying the music? Your problem. Some people see a bed and know they're going to enjoy a good nights sleep. And they will sleep well. Others observe that the bedding isn't egyptian cotton, one of the bedsprings is faulty and the pillow isn't as soft as they'd like. Those people won't sleep and it'll be their own fault. It is what it is.


Why on earth would you come into a thread whose topic doesn't interest you and demand people stop discussing it?

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Reply #54 posted 06/23/17 4:12pm

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rogifan said:

PeteSilas said:

the people complaining about sound quality here are a bunch of babies. Some great music was recorded on much more primitive equipement than what we have here. Elvis' early sessions stand with anyone's, ANYONE'S, strongest work and that was done on some really basic stuff. It doesn't take away the power of the art whether you listen to it on a 45 or a cd that's been remastered for the zillionth time.

Like I said in another thread I'm glad I'm not an audiophile as I'd probably never enjoy anything. I got this last night on iTunes and have been enjoying it ever since.

i've got it, listening to it now, i'm in a coffee shop with phones on, i don't hear anything dramatically different though. and in truth, i got it for the extras, not the remastered cd. on this topic though, i did notice when i bought parade off of itunes, there was more bass than was on the vinyl, being a big mark brown fan, i loved that.

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Reply #55 posted 06/23/17 4:33pm

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Dangelus said:

According to the linear notes of the CD booklet ALL 3 CDs were remastered by Bernie.


According to the liner notes, disc 2 & 3 were remastered by Bernie. It does mention that the original album was mastered by Bernie but that this version was remastered by Prince with Joshua Welton engineering.


Censorship is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it or how noble their motivation.
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