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Reply #120 posted 05/08/17 1:21pm

NorthC

Haha... I just knew somebody was going to say that... It just adds to the confusion of those years..
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Reply #121 posted 05/08/17 1:41pm

SoulAlive

BeatofBlackWings said:

NorthC said:

Funkyalien said: This guy knows that these albums were only made as contractual obligation to WB, so yes, they could be called "filler".

Uh, Come was a fully realized project that Prince worked on for about 2 years. The flipside of the Gold Experience, essentially, with Chaos and Disorder housing many of the outtakes from those sessions (and some tracks never considered for either project). Those are not songs that Prince went into the studio to record just to take up space. They were songs he believed in and rotated on these tracklists multiple times ("Chaos and Disorder" was originally a Gold Experience song, etc). So while people might not feel the material is up to snuff, that is irrelevant. Prince believed in the material enough to want it out there.

In late 1993,there was a rumor that Prince was going to purposely give Warner Bros. some less-than-great material for the remaining albums on his contract....and that he would save the "amazing" songs for the post-Warners years.Thus,albums like Come and Chaos And Disorder are supposed to be the "contractual obligation" albums.Who knows,but I personally don't think that those albums are very good.A few decent tracks on both,but nothing really outstanding.

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Reply #122 posted 05/08/17 2:03pm

moonsister

I really like this thread, I'm not the Prince music connoisseur everyone else is so it is nice to read opinions of the songs and go back and forth to Prince Vault.
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Reply #123 posted 05/08/17 2:09pm

BanishedBrian

TrivialPursuit said:

I Rock, Therefore I Am


Those are fighting words!

But it's all good because Scrap D doesn't need you to tell him... HE'S IN THE BAND!

No Candy 4 Me
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Reply #124 posted 05/08/17 2:11pm

7salles

Symbol Album?

Do You lie?

Venus d Milo?

lol

One Man's Trash is Anothe...s Treasure

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Reply #125 posted 05/08/17 2:15pm

BanishedBrian

SoulAlive said:

BeatofBlackWings said:

Uh, Come was a fully realized project that Prince worked on for about 2 years. The flipside of the Gold Experience, essentially, with Chaos and Disorder housing many of the outtakes from those sessions (and some tracks never considered for either project). Those are not songs that Prince went into the studio to record just to take up space. They were songs he believed in and rotated on these tracklists multiple times ("Chaos and Disorder" was originally a Gold Experience song, etc). So while people might not feel the material is up to snuff, that is irrelevant. Prince believed in the material enough to want it out there.

In late 1993,there was a rumor that Prince was going to purposely give Warner Bros. some less-than-great material for the remaining albums on his contract....and that he would save the "amazing" songs for the post-Warners years.Thus,albums like Come and Chaos And Disorder are supposed to be the "contractual obligation" albums.Who knows,but I personally don't think that those albums are very good.A few decent tracks on both,but nothing really outstanding.


There's no doubt IMHO that Prince intentionally weakened the released version of Come from what he'd configured earlier. He knew that Interactive and Endorphinmachine were two of the stronger tracks. That being said, the songs on the album (other than Come and Orgasm) were all at one time songs that he seemed to have pride in.

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Reply #126 posted 05/08/17 2:17pm

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SoulAlive said:

In late 1993,there was a rumor that Prince was going to purposely give Warner Bros. some less-than-great material for the remaining albums on his contract....and that he would save the "amazing" songs for the post-Warners years.Thus,albums like Come and Chaos And Disorder are supposed to be the "contractual obligation" albums.Who knows,but I personally don't think that those albums are very good.A few decent tracks on both,but nothing really outstanding.

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- Ironically, almost nothing a lot better than this showed up after he left WB....
(IMO, of course)

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Reply #127 posted 05/08/17 2:31pm

214

TrivialPursuit said:

rusty1 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: 100% agree


TBA's filler is "2 Nigs", and "Dead On It". It just drones on after a while. It's under 5 minutes, but feels like over 10 sometimes. I can get through it, but I'm always glad when it's over. "Rock Hard" seems...lazy and thin sometimes.

Lazy? what do you mean. Is a great song.

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Reply #128 posted 05/08/17 2:31pm

214

GustavoRibas said:

When it comes to Prince fans, it´s funny because a song/album that is a masterpiece to some are almost trash to others. Dont know if it happens to other artists´ fans.

[Edited 5/8/17 7:22am]

Yes it does, actually it happens with every single field in life.

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Reply #129 posted 05/08/17 2:55pm

Funkyalien

NorthC said:

Funkyalien said:



rdhull said:


Come and Chaos n Disorder seem like filler songs as albums mostly.








I object to blanket statements like these. This guy obviously knows nothing about either album.


This guy knows that these albums were only made as contractual obligation to WB, so yes, they could be called "filler".



Just because something is a contractual obligation it has to be filler? Aren't all albums once u sign up on a label "contractual obligations"? Prince was too proud of his warner output, he always gave them killer stuff. Including, a century later, aoa.
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Reply #130 posted 05/08/17 3:42pm

BeatofBlackWin
gs

SoulAlive said:



BeatofBlackWings said:




NorthC said:


Funkyalien said: This guy knows that these albums were only made as contractual obligation to WB, so yes, they could be called "filler".


Uh, Come was a fully realized project that Prince worked on for about 2 years. The flipside of the Gold Experience, essentially, with Chaos and Disorder housing many of the outtakes from those sessions (and some tracks never considered for either project). Those are not songs that Prince went into the studio to record just to take up space. They were songs he believed in and rotated on these tracklists multiple times ("Chaos and Disorder" was originally a Gold Experience song, etc). So while people might not feel the material is up to snuff, that is irrelevant. Prince believed in the material enough to want it out there.




In late 1993,there was a rumor that Prince was going to purposely give Warner Bros. some less-than-great material for the remaining albums on his contract....and that he would save the "amazing" songs for the post-Warners years.Thus,albums like Come and Chaos And Disorder are supposed to be the "contractual obligation" albums.Who knows,but I personally don't think that those albums are very good.A few decent tracks on both,but nothing really outstanding.



Come wasn't a contractual obligation record. Chaos, Old Friends, and Girl 6 were.
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Reply #131 posted 05/08/17 3:45pm

BeatofBlackWin
gs

BanishedBrian said:



SoulAlive said:




BeatofBlackWings said:




Uh, Come was a fully realized project that Prince worked on for about 2 years. The flipside of the Gold Experience, essentially, with Chaos and Disorder housing many of the outtakes from those sessions (and some tracks never considered for either project). Those are not songs that Prince went into the studio to record just to take up space. They were songs he believed in and rotated on these tracklists multiple times ("Chaos and Disorder" was originally a Gold Experience song, etc). So while people might not feel the material is up to snuff, that is irrelevant. Prince believed in the material enough to want it out there.




In late 1993,there was a rumor that Prince was going to purposely give Warner Bros. some less-than-great material for the remaining albums on his contract....and that he would save the "amazing" songs for the post-Warners years.Thus,albums like Come and Chaos And Disorder are supposed to be the "contractual obligation" albums.Who knows,but I personally don't think that those albums are very good.A few decent tracks on both,but nothing really outstanding.




There's no doubt IMHO that Prince intentionally weakened the released version of Come from what he'd configured earlier. He knew that Interactive and Endorphinmachine were two of the stronger tracks. That being said, the songs on the album (other than Come and Orgasm) were all at one time songs that he seemed to have pride in.



He already spoke about why Interactive was replaced. It didn't fit with the Come vibe and it was too samey to open TGE with Endorphin. That's why Pussy Control, up to then left off most configurations, took its place.

Come was a fully thought out concept. Filler, it was not.
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Reply #132 posted 05/08/17 6:22pm

GustavoRibas

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214 said:

GustavoRibas said:

When it comes to Prince fans, it´s funny because a song/album that is a masterpiece to some are almost trash to others. Dont know if it happens to other artists´ fans.

Yes it does, actually it happens with every single field in life.

- Yes, I can imagine. But honestly its hard to imagine a forum where a Beatles fan would say that ´White album´ sucks and their first one is better, for example.

The only fan forum I ever been besides Prince was Living Colour´s. And I never saw big disagreements there.

Peace
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Reply #133 posted 05/08/17 6:25pm

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BeatofBlackWings said:

He already spoke about why Interactive was replaced. It didn't fit with the Come vibe and it was too samey to open TGE with Endorphin. That's why Pussy Control, up to then left off most configurations, took its place. Come was a fully thought out concept. Filler, it was not.

- Ah, that was the reason? Too bad. If TGE had ´Interactive´, ´Days of Wild´ and ´The Ride´ (replacing We March, Shy and 319) it would be perfect for me.

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Reply #134 posted 05/09/17 3:00am

Adorecream

There is lots of filler. Prince was very hit and miss. I consider all the following filler.

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4U - So Blue, Crazy You

Prince - When were dancing close and slow, With you

DM - None

CO - None

1999 - SOTT none

Black - 2 Nigs united for west compton (Most instrumentals are fillers unless u r Joe Satriani)

Lovesexy - None

Batman - Trust, Vicki Waiting, Lemon Crush

GB - New Power Generation pts 1 and 2, Tick Tick Bang, Love Machine, The Latest Fashion, Melody Cool, Graffiti Bridge

D and P - Jughead, Push

Symbol - Arrogance, The Flow, Vanessa Segues

The Hits/Bsides - Pope

Come - Solo

TGE - Npg operators

CD - Had U, I rock there4 I am

Emancipation - Da da Da, Mr Happy, Face Down, Slave, New World, Get yo groove on, We gets up, Emale, The Plan, Friend mother what ever the fuck its called

Truth - all of it except Don't Play me and Animal Kingdom

New Power Soul -all of it except come on and The one

Raves - Prettyman, Undisputed, Everyday is a winding road (Larry bits only), the empty track space after whereever u go.

Crystal Ball - Excluding Kamasutra and the Truth, the 3 main CDs are filler free biggrin

TRC - This album is a filler, The Work Pt1, Last December, 1 + 1 + 1 = 3

NEWS - Filler

ONA all of them - Mediocre, not filler but very hard to get into

NPGMC - Mostly filler on these, some okay songs, lot of fillery rubbish (C note, Slaighterhouse, Xpectation, Chocolate Invasion).

Musicology - On the couch, The song about afros being the largest

3121 - No filler here

Planet Earth - Mr Goodnight, Futurebabymama

Lotusflow3r - From the Lotus, $, 77 Beverley Park, Back 2 the Lotus

MPLSOUND - None here, but overall average rather than good album

20 Ten - Everybody loves me

PLE - Boytrouble, Marz, Ainturninround

AOA - Art Official Cage, Affirmations

Phase 1 - Shut this down, Like a Mack, Mr Nelson, This could be us remix

Phase 2 - None

.

Not to say some of the filler is not enjoyable, but none of the above tracks I feel add much to his legacy and quite a few subtract from it.

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Reply #135 posted 05/09/17 4:54am

Se7en

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GustavoRibas said:

BeatofBlackWings said:

He already spoke about why Interactive was replaced. It didn't fit with the Come vibe and it was too samey to open TGE with Endorphin. That's why Pussy Control, up to then left off most configurations, took its place. Come was a fully thought out concept. Filler, it was not.

- Ah, that was the reason? Too bad. If TGE had ´Interactive´, ´Days of Wild´ and ´The Ride´ (replacing We March, Shy and 319) it would be perfect for me.


If TGE also contained Ripopgodazippa and Acknowledge Me, it would've been perfect for me. I wouldn't even delete the songs you mentioned.

TGE could've easily been a double album.

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Reply #136 posted 05/09/17 5:10am

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Adorecream said:

There is lots of filler. Prince was very hit and miss. I consider all the following filler.

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Truth - all of it except Don't Play me and Animal Kingdom


There's no way on earth that Comeback could be considered filler. No way. That song is in equal measure both beautiful and devastating. It took enormous courage for him to put that out there. Comback is the antithesis of filler.


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Reply #137 posted 05/09/17 6:20am

jcurley

In my opinion their are only two complete albums,as in one fully delivered concept, in his catalogue. These are Purple Rain and Parade. So filler seems a harsh word every other album has varying degrees of input.
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Reply #138 posted 05/09/17 7:23am

Se7en

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jcurley said:

In my opinion their are only two complete albums,as in one fully delivered concept, in his catalogue. These are Purple Rain and Parade. So filler seems a harsh word every other album has varying degrees of input.


We'll never all agree, because I think I Wonder U could fall into "filler" territory, whereas I think 1999 is complete.

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Reply #139 posted 05/09/17 7:38am

Guitarhero

Can the real Prince fans come back please confused Noticed something more and more is the hate for Prince instrumentals. Am i the only one that digs a lot of his instrumentals?

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Reply #140 posted 05/09/17 8:28am

eyewishuheaven

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Guitarhero said:

Can the real Prince fans come back please confused Noticed something more and more is the hate for Prince instrumentals. Am i the only one that digs a lot of his instrumentals?


Alexa De Paris is one of his top tracks ever, in my opinion.

I also love Xpectation and NEWS, though I'll never try to convince anyone else that they're great.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
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Reply #141 posted 05/09/17 9:29am

jcurley

Se7en said:



jcurley said:


In my opinion their are only two complete albums,as in one fully delivered concept, in his catalogue. These are Purple Rain and Parade. So filler seems a harsh word every other album has varying degrees of input.


We'll never all agree, because I think I Wonder U could fall into "filler" territory, whereas I think 1999 is complete.




I know what you mean but it "fits" with the bigger picture. Maybe you think it's filler but I think a lot of people use that word when they don't like it. I'm sure you don't.

In terms of 1999 I think Free is both a filler n incredibly twee. Almost to the extent of being almost a bit embarrassing. The rest of the album has either sexual overtones or personal frustrations. Free sits alone.

I think in the 1980s this particular stands out with prince as his albums were definitively one drop concepts. By the 90s he had more eclecticism in terms of themes within each album
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Reply #142 posted 05/09/17 10:04am

RJOrion

airth said:



Adorecream said:


There is lots of filler. Prince was very hit and miss. I consider all the following filler.


.


Truth - all of it except Don't Play me and Animal Kingdom




There's no way on earth that Comeback could be considered filler. No way. That song is in equal measure both beautiful and devastating. It took enormous courage for him to put that out there. Comback is the antithesis of filler.




and on top of that...their list had "2 Nigz United 4 West Compton" as filler... somebody done lost their mind... his/her EARS got fillers...
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Reply #143 posted 05/09/17 10:54am

Adorecream

RJOrion said:

airth said:


There's no way on earth that Comeback could be considered filler. No way. That song is in equal measure both beautiful and devastating. It took enormous courage for him to put that out there. Comback is the antithesis of filler.


and on top of that...their list had "2 Nigz United 4 West Compton" as filler... somebody done lost their mind... his/her EARS got fillers...

Why expressing an opinion always invite abuse and questions of my sanity.Grow up and get a life you hive mind communist. This is not North Korea.

Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name
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Reply #144 posted 05/09/17 1:54pm

RJOrion

Adorecream said:



RJOrion said:


airth said:



There's no way on earth that Comeback could be considered filler. No way. That song is in equal measure both beautiful and devastating. It took enormous courage for him to put that out there. Comback is the antithesis of filler.




and on top of that...their list had "2 Nigz United 4 West Compton" as filler... somebody done lost their mind... his/her EARS got fillers...

Why expressing an opinion always invite abuse and questions of my sanity.Grow up and get a life you hive mind communist. This is not North Korea.




only your absurd opinions invite so-called "abuse"...if you feel so tortured, stop typing stupid stuff on a regular basis...
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Reply #145 posted 05/09/17 1:58pm

purpleshadow

Are you serious... He got filler albums. dead

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Reply #146 posted 05/09/17 2:12pm

214

GustavoRibas said:

214 said:

Yes it does, actually it happens with every single field in life.

- Yes, I can imagine. But honestly its hard to imagine a forum where a Beatles fan would say that ´White album´ sucks and their first one is better, for example.

The only fan forum I ever been besides Prince was Living Colour´s. And I never saw big disagreements there.

But it's not a bad thing, in fact is very good thing, variety is a positive thing to have. Although i'm not going to lie, sometimes too much variety is overwhelming.

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Reply #147 posted 05/09/17 2:17pm

214

RJOrion said:

Adorecream said:

Why expressing an opinion always invite abuse and questions of my sanity.Grow up and get a life you hive mind communist. This is not North Korea.

only your absurd opinions invite so-called "abuse"...if you feel so tortured, stop typing stupid stuff on a regular basis...

lol lol lol

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Reply #148 posted 05/09/17 2:36pm

Se7en

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214 said:

GustavoRibas said:

- Yes, I can imagine. But honestly its hard to imagine a forum where a Beatles fan would say that ´White album´ sucks and their first one is better, for example.

The only fan forum I ever been besides Prince was Living Colour´s. And I never saw big disagreements there.

But it's not a bad thing, in fact is very good thing, variety is a positive thing to have. Although i'm not going to lie, sometimes too much variety is overwhelming.


It's not really a fair comparison, really, since the Beatles "only" have what, 12-13-ish albums?

To compare it to Prince, you'd have to take his career from For You maybe up to Graffiti Bridge/D&P, so just a few years past what people consider his "masterpiece" era (1978-1988).

I don't think too many people were saying that Prince songs sucked in that era (well, maybe a few off GB/D&P, but that's it). Those critcisms came later, as Prince surpassed 20 albums then 30 and then almost 40.

I'll put it another way: The Beatles ended at just the right time. They are forever captured in that moment. Prince kept going.

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Reply #149 posted 05/09/17 3:44pm

214

Se7en said:

214 said:

But it's not a bad thing, in fact is very good thing, variety is a positive thing to have. Although i'm not going to lie, sometimes too much variety is overwhelming.


It's not really a fair comparison, really, since the Beatles "only" have what, 12-13-ish albums?

To compare it to Prince, you'd have to take his career from For You maybe up to Graffiti Bridge/D&P, so just a few years past what people consider his "masterpiece" era (1978-1988).

I don't think too many people were saying that Prince songs sucked in that era (well, maybe a few off GB/D&P, but that's it). Those critcisms came later, as Prince surpassed 20 albums then 30 and then almost 40.

I'll put it another way: The Beatles ended at just the right time. They are forever captured in that moment. Prince kept going.

The Beatles got good timing.

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