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Reply #30 posted 05/04/17 2:10pm

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I think people are just picking songs they just don't like and calling it a filler. Orgasm off the come album is a filler. The plan off of the Emancipation Album feels like a filler to me. Wedding feast off of Rainbow Children is a filler

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Reply #31 posted 05/04/17 2:21pm

NorthC

If you start an album with "Come" and end with "Orgasm", I think that makes perfect sense. So... Once again... No filler...
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Reply #32 posted 05/04/17 3:36pm

gandorb

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"Do U Lie?"

"Life Can Be So Nice"

the piano fluff before "Condition of the Heart"

that stupid ass tag ending to "Temptation"



That's not a lot considering the first 10 years. However, For You overall is sorta AOR schmaltzy stuff. The genius of a kid writing all this is there, but in general, it's not stood up against time that well, IMO. Doesn't mean they're bad songs, and I love me some yacht rock like a MFer, but For You is just a bit too bland for me sometimes.

But after 1988, God help us all.

Lemon Crush

Strollin

Push

Jughead

Arrogance

Shy

Dinner With Delores

I Rock, Therefore I Am


I can't even begin to touch Emancipation, but it could easily be one very very strong 80-minute CD (including cutting the title track).

Even shit like "Get Loose" and "P Control" remixes on CB were filler. And hell, all that empty space in general ...ever figure out the time on those three disks? Look at the length of all the songs, in comparison to 240 minutes available. Does air count as filler?

The examples given here as pre 1988 filler seem the opposite to me. They were all unique songs that didn't just rely on his easy for him traditional funk sound. Now i do agree with you about Emancipation as far as how they sound to me, though I imagine in his mind they weren't filler. After all it was his coming out party from being a slave! Lots of rote R&B there without his usual creativity (on the lesser songs that is).

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Reply #33 posted 05/04/17 3:41pm

MD431Madcat

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lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

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Reply #34 posted 05/04/17 3:41pm

IstenSzek

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and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #35 posted 05/04/17 3:43pm

MD431Madcat

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Yup!

SoulAlive said:

rdhull said:

Hot Thing

I agree.I think this song is too simplistic.The lyrics are lazy ("barely 21....lookin' for big fun").It would have been cool if this song was removed from the album and replaced with the superior,more creative "Wonderful Ass" smile

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Reply #36 posted 05/04/17 3:47pm

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NorthC said:

If you start an album with "Come" and end with "Orgasm", I think that makes perfect sense. So... Once again... No filler... [Edited 5/4/17 14:23pm]

Agree to disagree

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Reply #37 posted 05/04/17 4:07pm

IstenSzek

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and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #38 posted 05/04/17 4:09pm

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IstenSzek said:




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Reply #39 posted 05/04/17 4:12pm

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Didn't Wendy and Lisa acknowledge that back in the day they all knew that certain songs were home runs, single worthy, and others were filler?
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Reply #40 posted 05/04/17 4:31pm

Moonbeam

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rdhull said:

RJOrion said:

rdhull said: i could see you saying "Trust"....but the rest of that list?...filler?....nah

Y'all REALLY love Symbol album. I have no idea why though. The whole album could be erased from his repetoire and not be missed.

Damn, Christopher! Damn.

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Reply #41 posted 05/04/17 4:35pm

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ufoclub said:

Didn't Wendy and Lisa acknowledge that back in the day they all knew that certain songs were home runs, single worthy, and others were filler?


I remember them saying they acted as a control mechanism to stop Prince repeating himself. They said, on one particular example, 'hey, thats a little too When Doves Cry' or words to that effect and Prince would adapt.

Sounds good, but how 'It' got through that scrutiny, only god knows.

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Reply #42 posted 05/04/17 4:41pm

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Moonbeam said:

rdhull said:

Y'all REALLY love Symbol album. I have no idea why though. The whole album could be erased from his repetoire and not be missed.

Damn, Christopher! Damn.

lol

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #43 posted 05/04/17 4:53pm

TheFman

NorthC said:

If you start an album with "Come" and end with "Orgasm", I think that makes perfect sense. So... Once again... No filler... [Edited 5/4/17 14:23pm]

It's hardly about the song titles; if Orgasm was just the sound of a toilet flushing, would your theory still stand?


I think it's purely about the quality of songs...?

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Reply #44 posted 05/04/17 4:57pm

TheFman

Emancipation is filler from start to finish. In fact, I couldn't brew a decent 1 CD version out of it, hell even no EP.

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Reply #45 posted 05/04/17 5:07pm

NightGod

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The New Power Soul album felt like a lot of filler at the time. Initially I liked The One, Come On and Wasted Kisses. I think I like Mad Sex more now, but the rest still feels like filler to me.

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Reply #46 posted 05/04/17 5:35pm

mtlfan

Loving this thread, mostly for how it opens up a semantic, theoretical discussion of "filler." As in, there to take up space on an album for lack of better material, even though its obvious lack of merit is apparent to all. See also, "slight," or "minor," as in, "La La La, Hee Hee Hee is a good time, but I concede it's minor Prince."

Prince said he didn't like to repeat himself or do what was expected, he was probably his own worst critic. I think he also said he didn't have enough good material for Parade, which is the critical darling of late.

But I agree: Do U Lie seems to rub people the wrong way, and it's a bit novelty, but it's thematic, complex, and he was doing something new. "Orgasm" is more a bookend - again, thematically appropriate, than filler. It and Hot Thing are awesome. Minimal but not filler. He had tons of material in that era, they're on his best album for a reason. Glam Slam's chorus isn't my favorite but a lesser artist couldn't make a tune that original, much less play the amazing closing solo. I don't think Trust is filler. Nor Play in the Sunshine - intentionally transitional, not filler. I'm with the poster above who said he had amazing albums where great songs seem like lesser work because they're simpler (I Would Die 4 U is musically simple, same with I Wish U Heaven). A lot of the material left off 1999 sounded a little too Controversy, but was fantastic nonetheless and would have sounded like regression had it been released later.

Whoever said "Partyman" above is onto something - when Prince builds a song around partying post-1999, it's a red flag ("Life o' the Party" is brutal). He used to give that stuff away. Actually, he gave away much better.I have a soft spot for Symbol but The Max, The Continental and I Wanna Melt With U? I enjoy them all but I detect some byproduct in the brew.
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Reply #47 posted 05/04/17 6:15pm

luvsexy4all

of course....he SAID he didnt give the record companies his best tracks

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Reply #48 posted 05/04/17 6:47pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

"Do U Lie?"


"Life Can Be So Nice"


the piano fluff before "Condition of the Heart"


that stupid ass tag ending to "Temptation"




That's not a lot considering the first 10 years. However, For You overall is sorta AOR schmaltzy stuff. The genius of a kid writing all this is there, but in general, it's not stood up against time that well, IMO. Doesn't mean they're bad songs, and I love me some yacht rock like a MFer, but For You is just a bit too bland for me sometimes.

But after 1988, God help us all.

Lemon Crush


Strollin


Push


Jughead


Arrogance


Shy


Dinner With Delores


I Rock, Therefore I Am



I can't even begin to touch Emancipation, but it could easily be one very very strong 80-minute CD (including cutting the title track).

Even shit like "Get Loose" and "P Control" remixes on CB were filler. And hell, all that empty space in general ...ever figure out the time on those three disks? Look at the length of all the songs, in comparison to 240 minutes available. Does air count as filler?




You are beyond bonkers crazy for putting "Do You Lie?" in a filler list.
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Reply #49 posted 05/04/17 7:21pm

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Yes, I consider "Jughead" and "Push" to be filler tracks on Diamonds and Pearls. And Diamonds and Pearls is my second favourite Prince album in spite of those 2 songs.
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Reply #50 posted 05/04/17 7:33pm

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brassneck said:

TrivialPursuit said:

"Do U Lie?"

"Life Can Be So Nice"

the piano fluff before "Condition of the Heart"

that stupid ass tag ending to "Temptation"

You are beyond bonkers crazy for putting "Do You Lie?" in a filler list.


No, actually it's just my opinion. I never said anyone had to agree with it. It's a fluffy little song, and that not that strong against anything else on the record.

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Reply #51 posted 05/04/17 7:55pm

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Ronnie Talk To Russia if by "filler" we mean something that fills my life with good times and happiness.

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Reply #52 posted 05/04/17 8:16pm

mbdtyler

rdhull said:

Come and Chaos n Disorder seem like filler songs as albums mostly.

During the classic era though:

Glam Slam

The Max

Arrogance

It

Hot Thing

Tick Tick Bang

Trust

Lemon Crush

I'm glad someone else feels this way. It's tracks like those that keep me from seeing SOTT as the 110% masterpiece that everyone feels it is. Those songs are by no means bad, but there are plenty of tracks he left on the cutting room floor at the time that are waaay better. Maybe they wouldn't have made the album quite as cohesive, but they would have at least been more interesting.

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Reply #53 posted 05/04/17 8:20pm

mbdtyler

mediumdry said:

In one of the many interviews with Susan Rogers she mentioned that Play In The Sunshine was one of the songs that was recorded to fill space between other songs on the album. Now granted, that does not mean the song (or songs recorded for similar reasons) is filler in the sense that it wasn't given effort.

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In any event, I guess that makes it as close to filler as it comes.

I don't think that song counts as filler, so much as he wrote it specifically to serve as a bridge between two songs that didn't flow together as smoothly otherwise. It definitely takes talent and vision to do something like that, especially when the song ends up as cool as "Play In The Sunshine" did

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Reply #54 posted 05/04/17 8:24pm

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Some more recent

I Rock, Therefore I am
We Gets Up
Style
Da da da
Hot Wit U
Everyday is a winding road
Illusion Coma...
On the Couch
Incense and Candles
MPLsound album in general
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Reply #55 posted 05/04/17 9:18pm

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I hear a lot of filler. Then again what is filler? Im no musician myself so my opinion is probably of no value, but personally some tracks are so bland i invariably hit the skip button before it ends - Emancipation, Rave, Planet Earth for example all have boring tracks i can't seem to finish. To me that's filler and i realize that may not be the correct definition of such. shrug
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Reply #56 posted 05/04/17 10:42pm

mediumdry

TheFman said:

NorthC said:

If you start an album with "Come" and end with "Orgasm", I think that makes perfect sense. So... Once again... No filler... [Edited 5/4/17 14:23pm]

It's hardly about the song titles; if Orgasm was just the sound of a toilet flushing, would your theory still stand?


I think it's purely about the quality of songs...?

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When Come came out, Vanity/Denise had health and money problems. I think Orgasm was specifically added so as to pay royalties to her. Can't see another reason to include it. smile

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There are many songs I do not like that Prince released. To me, those are superfluous. Others love them. I mean, half the discussion in this thread is about people not liking songs and others liking them. (How can you not like Tick Tick Bang (both versions) or It?)

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Are there songs where Prince just didn't work hard on it... even Orgasm underwent a few "versions" (it was Poem before, with some spoken word that was later spread throughout the album), so he did work on it repeatedly. And that is as close to doing a song half-assed as you can get, I think.

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Other examples are the original demos for Kiss and Alphabet Street, of course. (both I love in their eventual versions)

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Reply #57 posted 05/05/17 1:00am

jaypotton

As others have said, it is pretty hard to make a distinction between something being FILLER and it being a song you do NOT LIKE.

I think there is at least one song on every album Prince has ever released that I do not like (or at least am content to skip over). Not sure that makes those songs filler.

As a general "feeling" I think it becomes apparent that once we move from vinyl era albums (restricting Prince to 45 mins per record) to the CD era albums (70-80 minutes per disc) we start to see sub par songs creeping in more overtly (and sometimes more than one per album).

For a while it seemed like Prince wanted to cram those albums full to the gills simply to show (or because) he had so much material. Emancipation is a good example. No way (for me) that should be a triple CD. However, am I glad he did release it as a triple CD...hell yeah. Because it allows me to choose the songs I like best and make a killer album.

Actually other artists did the same thing through the 90s and 00s but lately there has been a bit of a return to the perfect 45-50 minute listening experience.
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Reply #58 posted 05/05/17 1:06am

jaypotton

Oh and also not sure the definition of filler being something a bit throwaway as Prince may not have spent a lot of time crafting it stands up really because...

Dirty Mind the album!

He recorded those songs a 8 track demos and gave it to Warners. By the filler definition above that makes the whole album filler...except it isn't. It is genius!

And yeah, as per my post above there is one song I can skip on this album... Party Up. Not bad but not essential.
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Reply #59 posted 05/05/17 1:12am

SoulAlive

I remember an interview that Prince did in 1982 shortly after the release of 1999.He mentioned an album review where the critic said that "All The Critics...." and "DMSR" are the two filler tracks on an otherwise brilliant album nuts Prince had good reason to be annoyed,lol.I love those tracks!

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