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Reply #30 posted 02/24/17 5:32am

Guitarhero

Anotherloverholenyohead Extended

D.M.S.R

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Reply #31 posted 02/24/17 6:18am

databank

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laurarichardson said:

databank said:

André says he was sort of naive about the business side and considering that every musical idea by everyone was sort of thrown in a collective pot. In any case I don't think he'd have seen himself suing Prince, I mean even if the relationship had become tense those dudes had been like brothers for years, you don't sue your bro.

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Later on things got clearer: Prince had his musicians sign contract basically saying that he was to make the call when any idea that appeared during rehearsal justified a co-writing credit or not.

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Anyway my point wasn't about morality but the historical perspective. It's not my place to say who was right or wrong and I don't really care. But if André came-up with that bassline I'm glad that I know about it and I felt it was worth sharing the info.

--I thought that Andre took the same music business classes that Prince took in school. Do you find it interesting that Mortis Day had a recording contract with WB and he never mentions anything about PartyUp because he took his 10K and kept it moving.

I'm not sure of what you're trying to say really. I don't recall them taking any music business class in school BTW but I may have overlooked an info.

Everyone's different, everyone had a different relationship to Prince and everyone's story is different.

But as I said I didn't bring that up to launch a debate about the morality of the situation. Based on Andrés interviews I see no reason to doubt his claims, he seems honest about everything he says, therefore I assume until contradicted by another associate his claims can be viewed as valid and I felt it was necessary to share this piece of info with some orgers who may have missed it. I wasn't there and it's not my place to be judgemental about the situation, I'm merely bringing up factual information.

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Reply #32 posted 02/24/17 6:34am

RodeoSchro

D.M.S.R.
Le Grind
The Rest of My Life

The unreleased version of ATWIAD

The rock version of Guitar is easy but lots of fun to play along with.

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Reply #33 posted 02/24/17 9:41am

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databank said:

laurarichardson said:

databank said: --I thought that Andre took the same music business classes that Prince took in school. Do you find it interesting that Mortis Day had a recording contract with WB and he never mentions anything about PartyUp because he took his 10K and kept it moving.

I'm not sure of what you're trying to say really. I don't recall them taking any music business class in school BTW but I may have overlooked an info.

Everyone's different, everyone had a different relationship to Prince and everyone's story is different.

But as I said I didn't bring that up to launch a debate about the morality of the situation. Based on Andrés interviews I see no reason to doubt his claims, he seems honest about everything he says, therefore I assume until contradicted by another associate his claims can be viewed as valid and I felt it was necessary to share this piece of info with some orgers who may have missed it. I wasn't there and it's not my place to be judgemental about the situation, I'm merely bringing up factual information.

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have said they all took classes on the Business of music from their teacher Mr. Hamilton. Not sure if Andre was included but he did say he and Prince got ripped off by Morris's mom when she managed Grand Central so I would have hoped that situation would have opened his eyes as a young man. I am not doubting his claims he just needs to let it go. He did not secure his rights to any material he provided and he cannot get the rights now.

He already embarrassed himself with the "Do Me Baby" claims because the song sounds like "Frantic Moment" by Eddie Hazel.

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Reply #34 posted 02/24/17 9:58am

Harps

The Everlasting Now!!!!!

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Reply #35 posted 02/24/17 10:03am

eyewishuheaven

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You might not believe me, but listen closely to the bassline on Do It All Night - it's funky as all git out!

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
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Reply #36 posted 02/24/17 10:37am

Guitarhero

eyewishuheaven said:

You might not believe me, but listen closely to the bassline on Do It All Night - it's funky as all git out!

yeahthat That reminds me from the same album also Uptown.

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Reply #37 posted 02/24/17 10:44am

SoulAlive

Lady Cab Driver

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Reply #38 posted 02/24/17 10:55am

HardcoreJollie
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When Doves Cry (HA HA!)

How about Family Name?

If you've got funk, you've got style.
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Reply #39 posted 02/24/17 11:19am

imprimis

100 MPH (1984 Initial Tracking Version; Live Bass/DX7 interplay)

17 Days

777-9311

A Love Bizarre (Part II)

Anotherloverholenyohead

Automatic

Ballad of Dorothy Parker

Climax (Bootlegger-titled 1983 Instrumental)

Cloreen Baconskin

Come (Various Versions)

Controversy

Days of Wild (Live Bass Guitar Solo Versions)

Delirious

DMSR

Do Me, Baby

Erotic City

Eye No/The Ball

G-Spot (1983 Version)

Get It Up

Gotta Shake Something

Head

Irresistible Bitch

I Would Die 4 U (Album version; Live Bass/Synth Bass interplay)

If A Girl Answers (Don't Hang Up)

If I Was Your Girlfriend

It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night

Jerk Out

La, La, La, Hee, Hee Hee

Lady Cab Driver

Last Heart

Le Grind

Let's Work

My Love Belongs To You (from Ice Cream Castles sessions)

New Position

Party Up

Pop Life

Puple Music
Rebirth of the Flesh

Ripopgodazippa
Sexy Dancer

Sexual Suicide

Sexuality

Splash

The Dance Electric (Live Bass/DX7 interplay)

The One

Tambourine (Live Bass/DX7 interplay)

Toy Box (Early Version)

Uptown

.

Mostly or purely synth bass (or its equivalent):

.

Chocolate

Girls & Boys

Love or $

Lust U Always (10-min 1983 instrumental)

Snow Man

Turn It Up

U Got the Look (Long Look)

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[Edited 2/25/17 12:24pm]

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Reply #40 posted 02/24/17 11:37am

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laurarichardson said:

databank said:

I'm not sure of what you're trying to say really. I don't recall them taking any music business class in school BTW but I may have overlooked an info.

Everyone's different, everyone had a different relationship to Prince and everyone's story is different.

But as I said I didn't bring that up to launch a debate about the morality of the situation. Based on Andrés interviews I see no reason to doubt his claims, he seems honest about everything he says, therefore I assume until contradicted by another associate his claims can be viewed as valid and I felt it was necessary to share this piece of info with some orgers who may have missed it. I wasn't there and it's not my place to be judgemental about the situation, I'm merely bringing up factual information.

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have said they all took classes on the Business of music from their teacher Mr. Hamilton.

I may be wrong but my impression was that they weren't all in the same hi skool.

Not sure if Andre was included but he did say he and Prince got ripped off by Morris's mom when she managed Grand Central so I would have hoped that situation would have opened his eyes as a young man.

Have you ever been 20, let alone 16?

I am not doubting his claims he just needs to let it go.

I believe he did. Revealing this once, for the first time after 35 years, doesn't exactly sound like an obsession to me. On the other hand, as an amateur Prince historian I immensely appreciate that he'd reveal this bit of information for the sake of History.

He did not secure his rights to any material he provided and he cannot get the rights now.

I don't think he ever said he wanted to, or made any attempt in that regard.

He already embarrassed himself with the "Do Me Baby" claims because the song sounds like "Frantic Moment" by Eddie Hazel.

Again I may be wrong but I don't even think the info about Do Me, Baby ever came from him in the first place, I think it was revealed by Per Nilsen and Nilsen interviewed a lot of people at the time. It's likely someone else, such as maybe Pepé Willie, told him that. You can't possibly accuse André of embarrassing himself for things other people have said. And even if he was the orifginal source, the resemblance to the Hazel track, while being real, is quite minimal, and I couldn't possibly blame a then 20 year old kid for emulating one of his idols by borrowing a few chords from a song and making a totally difreent song out of it. God knows Prince himself did it and long past when he was 20. And virtually every artist on earth have "borrowed" in a similar fashion, there's nothing to be ashamed of really (and that's the artist speaking: I borrow when I must and don't give a fuck because it's just one brick of lego from someone else that I morph a bit then add to my own, very personal, lego construction).

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If I may, I've noticed a tendency of yours to be overprotective with Prince ever since he passed. I can rely to this because, as you know since we'eve both have been here a long time, I've always defended Prince against haters like those 2 pricks (you know who I'm talking about), but I don't believe admitting Prince "stole" a few credits here and there is the end of the world, given how insignificant those few credits are in face of the immensity of his work, and given how many credits (and royalties!) he's given away to others on other occasions.

[Edited 2/24/17 11:38am]

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Reply #41 posted 02/24/17 11:37am

LuvuInMe

OnlyNDaUsa said:

When Doves Cry....oh wait

I'M DEAD lol lol lol

I said no! is your mama?
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Reply #42 posted 02/24/17 11:51am

Guitarhero

LuvuInMe said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

When Doves Cry....oh wait

I'M DEAD lol lol lol

The bass in WDC is so funky lol

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Reply #43 posted 02/24/17 12:10pm

nisibee

Was going to say Sexy Dancer as well Mononeon covered it the other day...

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[Edited 2/24/17 12:11pm]

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Reply #44 posted 02/24/17 12:26pm

RJOrion

nisibee said:

Was going to say Sexy Dancer as well Mononeon covered it the other day...


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[Edited 2/24/17 12:11pm]




Mononeon is my favorite musician right now...its obvious why Prince invited him to Paisley Park...virtuoso on bass and rhythm guitar...clip after clip...
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Reply #45 posted 02/24/17 7:32pm

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Yall are laughing about When Doves Cry but the 1984 live versions with Mark playing was tight/good/badazz

Ive always wondered if that was the og bass he wrote for it before nixing it

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Reply #46 posted 02/24/17 8:31pm

NoOneReally

imprimis said:

100 MPH (1984 Initial Tracking Version; Live Bass/DX7 interplay)

17 Days

777-9311

A Love Bizarre (Part II)

Anotherloverholenyohead

Automatic

Ballad of Dorothy Parker

Climax (Bootlegger-titled 1983 Instrumental)

Cloreen Baconskin

Come (Various Versions)

Controversy

Days of Wild (Live Bass Guitar Solo Versions)

Delirious

DMSR

Do Me, Baby

Erotic City

Eye No/The Ball

G-Spot (1983 Version)

Get It Up

Gotta Shake Something

Head

Irresistible Bitch

I Would Die 4 U (Album version; Live Bass/Synth Bass interplay)

If A Girl Answers (Don't Hang Up)

If I Was Your Girlfriend

It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night

Jerk Out

La, La, La, Hee, Hee Hee

Lady Cab Driver

Last Heart

Le Grind

Let's Work

New Position

Party Up

Pop Life

Puple Music
Rebirth of the Flesh

Ripopgodazippa
Sexy Dancer

Sexual Suicide

Sexuality

Splash

The Dance Electric (Live Bass/DX7 interplay)

The One

Tambourine (Live Bass/DX7 interplay)

Toy Box (Early Version)

Uptown

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Mostly or purely synth bass (or its equivalent):

.

Chocolate

Girls & Boys

Love or $

Lust U Always (10-min 1983 instrumental)

Snow Man

Turn It Up

U Got the Look (Long Look)

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[Edited 2/24/17 14:10pm]

You have good taste in music I see... headbang

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Reply #47 posted 02/25/17 4:56am

MonsterZeroTwo

imprimis said:

100 MPH (1984 Initial Tracking Version; Live Bass/DX7 interplay)


17 Days


777-9311


A Love Bizarre (Part II)


Anotherloverholenyohead


Automatic


Ballad of Dorothy Parker


Climax (Bootlegger-titled 1983 Instrumental)


Cloreen Baconskin


Come (Various Versions)


Controversy


Days of Wild (Live Bass Guitar Solo Versions)


Delirious


DMSR


Do Me, Baby


Erotic City


Eye No/The Ball


G-Spot (1983 Version)


Get It Up


Gotta Shake Something


Head


Irresistible Bitch


I Would Die 4 U (Album version; Live Bass/Synth Bass interplay)


If A Girl Answers (Don't Hang Up)


If I Was Your Girlfriend


It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night


Jerk Out


La, La, La, Hee, Hee Hee


Lady Cab Driver


Last Heart


Le Grind


Let's Work


New Position


Party Up


Pop Life


Puple Music
Rebirth of the Flesh


Ripopgodazippa
Sexy Dancer


Sexual Suicide


Sexuality


Splash


The Dance Electric (Live Bass/DX7 interplay)


The One


Tambourine (Live Bass/DX7 interplay)


Toy Box (Early Version)


Uptown


.


Mostly or purely synth bass (or its equivalent):


.


Chocolate


Girls & Boys


Love or $


Lust U Always (10-min 1983 instrumental)


Snow Man


Turn It Up


U Got the Look (Long Look)


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[Edited 2/24/17 14:10pm]



Nice!
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Reply #48 posted 02/25/17 5:43am

soulboogiealex

OnlyNDaUsa said:

When Doves Cry....oh wait



I thought the same thing in that it was such a brilliant decision not to have a bass track for that song.
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Reply #49 posted 02/25/17 11:51am

laurarichardso
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databank said:



laurarichardson said:




databank said:



I'm not sure of what you're trying to say really. I don't recall them taking any music business class in school BTW but I may have overlooked an info.


Everyone's different, everyone had a different relationship to Prince and everyone's story is different.


But as I said I didn't bring that up to launch a debate about the morality of the situation. Based on Andrés interviews I see no reason to doubt his claims, he seems honest about everything he says, therefore I assume until contradicted by another associate his claims can be viewed as valid and I felt it was necessary to share this piece of info with some orgers who may have missed it. I wasn't there and it's not my place to be judgemental about the situation, I'm merely bringing up factual information.



Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have said they all took classes on the Business of music from their teacher Mr. Hamilton.


I may be wrong but my impression was that they weren't all in the same hi skool.


Not sure if Andre was included but he did say he and Prince got ripped off by Morris's mom when she managed Grand Central so I would have hoped that situation would have opened his eyes as a young man.


Have you ever been 20, let alone 16?


I am not doubting his claims he just needs to let it go.


I believe he did. Revealing this once, for the first time after 35 years, doesn't exactly sound like an obsession to me. On the other hand, as an amateur Prince historian I immensely appreciate that he'd reveal this bit of information for the sake of History.


He did not secure his rights to any material he provided and he cannot get the rights now.


I don't think he ever said he wanted to, or made any attempt in that regard.


He already embarrassed himself with the "Do Me Baby" claims because the song sounds like "Frantic Moment" by Eddie Hazel.


Again I may be wrong but I don't even think the info about Do Me, Baby ever came from him in the first place, I think it was revealed by Per Nilsen and Nilsen interviewed a lot of people at the time. It's likely someone else, such as maybe Pepé Willie, told him that. You can't possibly accuse André of embarrassing himself for things other people have said. And even if he was the orifginal source, the resemblance to the Hazel track, while being real, is quite minimal, and I couldn't possibly blame a then 20 year old kid for emulating one of his idols by borrowing a few chords from a song and making a totally difreent song out of it. God knows Prince himself did it and long past when he was 20. And virtually every artist on earth have "borrowed" in a similar fashion, there's nothing to be ashamed of really (and that's the artist speaking: I borrow when I must and don't give a fuck because it's just one brick of lego from someone else that I morph a bit then add to my own, very personal, lego construction).



.


If I may, I've noticed a tendency of yours to be overprotective with Prince ever since he passed. I can rely to this because, as you know since we'eve both have been here a long time, I've always defended Prince against haters like those 2 pricks (you know who I'm talking about), but I don't believe admitting Prince "stole" a few credits here and there is the end of the world, given how insignificant those few credits are in face of the immensity of his work, and given how many credits (and royalties!) he's given away to others on other occasions.




[Edited 2/24/17 11:38am]


--See the article below were he brings up Controversy and he brouhgt up "Do Me Baby" in past articles. He had no publishing deal so he knew he was not going to be getting credit. http://www.waxpoetics.com...re-cymone/
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Reply #50 posted 02/25/17 12:24pm

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laurarichardson said:

databank said:

[Edited 2/24/17 11:38am]

--See the article below were he brings up Controversy and he brouhgt up "Do Me Baby" in past articles. He had no publishing deal so he knew he was not going to be getting credit. http://www.waxpoetics.com...re-cymone/

I'd read that long ago and completely forgot about Controversy, thx for reminding me that bit of info. It has nothing to do with having a publishing deal though, you don't need a publishing deal to get credit when credit is due. Note that it's the interviewer asking him about it, André didn't bring it up.

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Reply #51 posted 02/26/17 9:27am

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databank said:



laurarichardson said:


databank said:



[Edited 2/24/17 11:38am]



--See the article below were he brings up Controversy and he brouhgt up "Do Me Baby" in past articles. He had no publishing deal so he knew he was not going to be getting credit. http://www.waxpoetics.com...re-cymone/

I'd read that long ago and completely forgot about Controversy, thx for reminding me that bit of info. It has nothing to do with having a publishing deal though, you don't need a publishing deal to get credit when credit is due. Note that it's the interviewer asking him about it, André didn't bring it up.


Andre responded and he use to bring it up. If you do not have something in writing you have no guarantee of anything it is a businees but you are one of those people that is going to be right no matter what so live long and prosper.
[Edited 2/26/17 10:01am]
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Reply #52 posted 02/26/17 1:06pm

RJOrion

All The Critics Love U In New York
Breakfast Can Wait
Freaks On This Side
The Time - I Dont Wanna Leave You
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Reply #53 posted 02/26/17 1:15pm

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The bassline in New Position is one of my favorites.

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Reply #54 posted 02/26/17 1:50pm

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BAMBI

The thing about Andre is (imho), he let Prince get away with alot of shit. I can only imagine that there are probably a few other tunes that was originally Andre's idea, but maybe he felt closer to Prince than the other way around, was in awe of P's talent or maybe, just maybe most all of the stuff Jesse says about Prince is true, maybe Prince was an asshole.

On the other hand and this is also confirmed by Jesse that P often gave writing credits where none was due! Now wheter this was a credit SWAP, him feeling generous or something else who knows. But even Prince admitted that he had two sides, and they both got along lol.
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Reply #55 posted 02/26/17 1:52pm

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jazzvirtuoso said:

BAMBI The thing about Andre is (imho), he let Prince get away with alot of shit. I can only imagine that there are probably a few other tunes that was originally Andre's idea, but maybe he felt closer to Prince than the other way around, was in awe of P's talent or maybe, just maybe most all of the stuff Jesse says about Prince is true, maybe Prince was an asshole. On the other hand and this is also confirmed by Jesse that P often gave writing credits where none was due! Now wheter this was a credit SWAP, him feeling generous or something else who knows. But even Prince admitted that he had two sides, and they both got along lol.

Jesse has changed his tune a lot over the last couple of years. He said he was thankful for Prince showing him how to use studio equiptement and helping him with his carreer. We will never know what went on in the Anderson household and what the dynamic was between Andre and Prince.

I suspect a lot went down they we are never going to be privy too.

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Reply #56 posted 02/26/17 2:10pm

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laurarichardson said:



jazzvirtuoso said:


BAMBI The thing about Andre is (imho), he let Prince get away with alot of shit. I can only imagine that there are probably a few other tunes that was originally Andre's idea, but maybe he felt closer to Prince than the other way around, was in awe of P's talent or maybe, just maybe most all of the stuff Jesse says about Prince is true, maybe Prince was an asshole. On the other hand and this is also confirmed by Jesse that P often gave writing credits where none was due! Now wheter this was a credit SWAP, him feeling generous or something else who knows. But even Prince admitted that he had two sides, and they both got along lol.

Jesse has changed his tune a lot over the last couple of years. He said he was thankful for Prince showing him how to use studio equiptement and helping him with his carreer. We will never know what went on in the Anderson household and what the dynamic was between Andre and Prince.



I suspect a lot went down they we are never going to be privy too.



True dat! Ive always wondered about that myself. Andre has also implied that he worked on P's first album as well. Hmm, i can almost bet that at some point Andre might write a book about his time with P like Dez did. You think he might?
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Reply #57 posted 02/26/17 3:27pm

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jazzvirtuoso said:

laurarichardson said:

Jesse has changed his tune a lot over the last couple of years. He said he was thankful for Prince showing him how to use studio equiptement and helping him with his carreer. We will never know what went on in the Anderson household and what the dynamic was between Andre and Prince.

I suspect a lot went down they we are never going to be privy too.

True dat! Ive always wondered about that myself. Andre has also implied that he worked on P's first album as well. Hmm, i can almost bet that at some point Andre might write a book about his time with P like Dez did. You think he might?

He might I just wonder if we are going to get the real story. Mrs. Anderson had a hugh influence on Prince' s life but that does not mean the Anderson sibs were happy about him being around 100% of the time.

Andre has already said his brother Eddie was a pimp and that Prince got an education living in his house. I wonder if it was the wrong education.

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Reply #58 posted 02/26/17 4:25pm

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jazzvirtuoso said:

BAMBI The thing about Andre is (imho), he let Prince get away with alot of shit. I can only imagine that there are probably a few other tunes that was originally Andre's idea, but maybe he felt closer to Prince than the other way around, was in awe of P's talent or maybe, just maybe most all of the stuff Jesse says about Prince is true, maybe Prince was an asshole. On the other hand and this is also confirmed by Jesse that P often gave writing credits where none was due! Now wheter this was a credit SWAP, him feeling generous or something else who knows. But even Prince admitted that he had two sides, and they both got along lol.

Jesse has provided evidence that Jungle Love was originaly his. Why hasn't Andre done this same with any of all he's claimed to have created?

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
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Reply #59 posted 02/26/17 10:38pm

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laurarichardson said:

databank said:

I'd read that long ago and completely forgot about Controversy, thx for reminding me that bit of info. It has nothing to do with having a publishing deal though, you don't need a publishing deal to get credit when credit is due. Note that it's the interviewer asking him about it, André didn't bring it up.

Andre responded and he use to bring it up. If you do not have something in writing you have no guarantee of anything it is a businees but you are one of those people that is going to be right no matter what so live long and prosper. [Edited 2/26/17 10:01am]

Er... How can I be "one of those people" but you're not when, as far as I can tell, you're the one determined to make a point when I was not even trying to make a point at all in the first place? In any case, if 2 people disagree on something and won't change their mind, it's awfully dishonest for one to accuse the other of "going to be right no matter what" when they themselves are not prepared to reconsider their own perpective.

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Ever since Prince has passed your behavior on the board has changed drastically. For one thing I do not understand why you need to show so much hostility every time we're having a conversation, I don't know that I've ever done a thing to you. I don't even remember us entering any sort of an argument in all those years we've both been here.

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