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Reply #360 posted 01/21/17 6:18pm

Menes

This is all starting to make sense to me.

1. ASPIRO and Tidal have not countersued, but rather, is delaying the proceedings by inserting new filings thereby forcing the court to address technicalities about the "real parties of interest", and the allowance of claim under Minnesota Pobate Code.

2. As in, we made a deal with Prince, ( who is deceased) and that Bremer lack the credentials to sue. This procedural delay is why Tidal is still streaming from the catalog until there is a cease and desist order.

2. In November, Bremer asked Universal Music Group to begin negotiating with Apple, Spotify, and other streaming services prior to the Grammys next month (February).

3. In November, Roc Nation filed a "Peition of Roc Nation LLC for allowance of claim and additional relief seeking a TRO and alleged that the administrator of Prince's estate did not have the authority to shop the artist's songs to competing streaming services.

4. Bremer Trust is asserting that the exclusive streaming was only for 90 days and only for the final album "HIT n RUN". However, Tidal subsequently hosted 15 of the artist's LP's

5. Despite the new filings, ASPIRO nor ROC Nation have filed a countersuit against Bremer ( there is none in the court records) nor have they proivided Bremer with any supporting documents to substantiate the claims there are oral and written agreements in place. Good luck getting Prince to confrim that he said X.

6. The "allowance of claim" (mentioned of above) and its interpretation, seems to be the the argument that both sides are seeking guidance from the court under Minnesota Probate Code.

7. Below is a link for the details to include emails between the parties. Of note, Bremer had been asking TIdal/Roc nation for any documents related to any contrafts between NPG/Prince and Tidal from since May. The goods start @ around page 9 on down. (II ARGUMENT)


STATE OF MINNESOTA COUNTY... COURT ...

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Reply #361 posted 01/21/17 6:38pm

Menes

Continuation... I forgot to add Roc nations response to Bremer's law suit in my pervious report... That should bring us all up to speed until the next filing.

SPECIAL ADMINISTRATOR Roc...dicial ...

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Reply #362 posted 01/21/17 9:26pm

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Menes said:

Continuation... I forgot to add Roc nations response to Bremer's law suit in my pervious report... That should bring us all up to speed until the next filing.

SPECIAL ADMINISTRATOR Roc...dicial ...

Thanks Menes.

That Limited Objection filed by Roc Nation was so wordy even I couldnt understand it.

I had to go pour a glass of wine hoping that would help me understand the words.

It didnt help.

I think Roc Nation's defense is to file wordy documents that dont make sense which will leave their opponent dazed and confused.

stoned

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Reply #363 posted 01/22/17 4:04am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

Continuation... I forgot to add Roc nations response to Bremer's law suit in my pervious report... That should bring us all up to speed until the next filing.

SPECIAL ADMINISTRATOR Roc...dicial ...

Thanks Menes.

That Limited Objection filed by Roc Nation was so wordy even I couldnt understand it.

I had to go pour a glass of wine hoping that would help me understand the words.

It didnt help.

I think Roc Nation's defense is to file wordy documents that dont make sense which will leave their opponent dazed and confused.

stoned

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Reply #364 posted 01/22/17 6:39am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Menes said:


Continuation... I forgot to add Roc nations response to Bremer's law suit in my pervious report... That should bring us all up to speed until the next filing.








SPECIAL ADMINISTRATOR Roc...dicial ...





Thanks Menes.


That Limited Objection filed by Roc Nation was so wordy even I couldnt understand it.


I had to go pour a glass of wine hoping that would help me understand the words.


It didnt help.


I think Roc Nation's defense is to file wordy documents that dont make sense which will leave their opponent dazed and confused.


stoned


I am not sure if wordy documents are going to stop copyright infringement laws. There is more to this Roc Nation stuff then we know and the recent allegations against Londell make it clear to me that he may be eager to Tidal out of the picture so he can get a cut of a deal with the other platforms. Also remember he was accused of leaking Tyka's meeting with Jay-z to the press. The first people to report on it was TMZ and Londell associates with that Van Rascal persons who is suppose to be a spy for TMZ.
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Reply #365 posted 01/22/17 10:36am

Menes

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

Continuation... I forgot to add Roc nations response to Bremer's law suit in my pervious report... That should bring us all up to speed until the next filing.

SPECIAL ADMINISTRATOR Roc...dicial ...

Thanks Menes.

That Limited Objection filed by Roc Nation was so wordy even I couldnt understand it.

I had to go pour a glass of wine hoping that would help me understand the words.

It didnt help.

I think Roc Nation's defense is to file wordy documents that dont make sense which will leave their opponent dazed and confused.

stoned

So, I keep reading on this thread about Londell Mcmillan's involvement and who he supports in this matter. Please advise. There are additional docs.

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Reply #366 posted 01/22/17 4:56pm

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Menes said:



morningsong said:




precioux said:



www.citypages.com/music/p...re-6621826





Not to keep going around about the same stuff that's been talked about for years. But the yellow house was torn down in 2005?


Seems he got into issues with property taxes a lot. But still don't see income tax issues.



Yes, going back to 2008 it seemed to have been an issue with property taxes.



Prince, The Artist Former... His Taxes



Also there seemed to be some confusion about a tax issue with the french tax authorities for shows between 2009-2010. A summons was issued compelling him to appear. What came of it was an apparent Stipulation of Dismissal by P (whatever that means).




United States of America ...nesota ...








No confusion he paid them and once again no record of foreclosure in his properties. It is not in the Carver county records. No matter what City papers has to say.
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Reply #367 posted 01/22/17 4:58pm

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Menes said:

I just read this and can't say for certain if it's accurate...




1. In July , 2015, Prince and Roc Nation entered into a 5 year agreement wherein Prince granted worldwide streaming rights for three forthcoming albums and agreed not to grant exclsuive rights to his music to any other didgital streaming service. Isnt this still in effect?



2. NPG/NPG Publishing entered into an exclusive worldwide distribution agreement," granting Tidal the right to stream the entire catalog of music , with some exceptions" . Isn't this still in effect?



3. The term of the second agreement was three years, or until full recoupment of the advance given to Prince. Paid up?



My question is how would Phaedra or Londell gain access to what/how much is being streamed more than they should be (unless its just that "exception" part)? How could they modify the existing agreement one way or the other without the expressed written consent of Prince ( who is deceased)?


I am not sure they can modify it. Interesting.
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Reply #368 posted 01/22/17 9:05pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Thanks Menes.

That Limited Objection filed by Roc Nation was so wordy even I couldnt understand it.

I had to go pour a glass of wine hoping that would help me understand the words.

It didnt help.

I think Roc Nation's defense is to file wordy documents that dont make sense which will leave their opponent dazed and confused.

stoned

So, I keep reading on this thread about Londell Mcmillan's involvement and who he supports in this matter. Please advise. There are additional docs.

Im confused as to what you mean about who Londell supports.

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Reply #369 posted 01/23/17 2:21am

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laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:
Londell really needs to shut it. First, Prince probably wouldn't have been happy but I doubt he could have done anything about it. Second, if a Prince song had been sung at an Obama event I doubt Londell would be complaining about it. So it's not that PR was played at a political event but that it was played at a political event for someone who's politics Londell doesn't agree with. Big difference. I can't wait for this big mouth to no longer be involved with the Estate. rolleyes
--As a entertainment lawyer he should know that you cannot stop a song from being covered. You can stop it from being recorded and sold but that is about it. He also been asked by Tkya and Omarr to stop the damm tweeting but he keeps doing it anyway. Dude is a first rate asshole.

Yep, and Prince knew that too. So did Chaka Khan, Chaka didn't want that, Chaka mad.

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Reply #370 posted 01/23/17 5:26am

rogifan

Cellular carrier Sprint just bought 33% of Tidal. Interesting...
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Reply #371 posted 01/23/17 6:52am

destinyc1

You must of been on twitter because it just popped up.Im wondering whats going to happen with this .

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Reply #372 posted 01/23/17 9:15am

Menes

What happened to the curiosities thread? Who killed that?

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Reply #373 posted 01/23/17 9:30am

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Menes said:

What happened to the curiosities thread? Who killed that?





Unknown. It was gone without a trace last night.
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Reply #374 posted 01/23/17 9:30am

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rogifan said:

Cellular carrier Sprint just bought 33% of Tidal. Interesting...

--Cash infusion and Tidal is working adding series, and movies to their platform.
[Edited 1/23/17 10:18am]
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Reply #375 posted 01/23/17 9:49am

Menes

zenarose said:

Menes said:

What happened to the curiosities thread? Who killed that?

Unknown. It was gone without a trace last night.

Did someone mention drugs or something? There was a lot of info on that thread. Hopefully someone saved it.

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Reply #376 posted 01/23/17 9:53am

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Menes said:



zenarose said:


Menes said:

What happened to the curiosities thread? Who killed that?



Unknown. It was gone without a trace last night.

Did someone mention drugs or something? There was a lot of info on that thread. Hopefully someone saved it.



I didn't see it if it did. I checked in and it was gone.
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Reply #377 posted 01/23/17 9:55am

Menes

zenarose said:

Menes said:

Did someone mention drugs or something? There was a lot of info on that thread. Hopefully someone saved it.

I didn't see it if it did. I checked in and it was gone.

Hey Zena! I know you saved it, right? wink I need something from that.

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Reply #378 posted 01/23/17 10:24am

destinyc1

http://prince.org/msg/7/426657 Are u talking about this.

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Reply #379 posted 01/23/17 11:05am

precioux

In regards to the curiosity thread---- Yes, I was on there reading the thread last night, and the last post was all about P and drugs. The poster apologized at the end of the post in italics at the end and stated "Sorry, I know we're not supposed to talk about P and Rx medicine/pills"....then within literally 1 minute, the thread was deleted. I'm not going to say who the poster was, because I know they will get backlash. They know who they are.Peace and Love

[Edited 1/23/17 11:08am]

[Edited 1/23/17 11:10am]

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Reply #380 posted 01/23/17 1:35pm

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laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

Cellular carrier Sprint just bought 33% of Tidal. Interesting...

--Cash infusion and Tidal is working adding series, and movies to their platform.
[Edited 1/23/17 10:18am]

Seems like a waste of money. Tidal won't survive unless someone big swallows them up.
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Reply #381 posted 01/23/17 3:25pm

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precioux said:

In regards to the curiosity thread---- Yes, I was on there reading the thread last night, and the last post was all about P and drugs. The poster apologized at the end of the post in italics at the end and stated "Sorry, I know we're not supposed to talk about P and Rx medicine/pills"....then within literally 1 minute, the thread was deleted. I'm not going to say who the poster was, because I know they will get backlash. They know who they are.Peace and Love

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[Edited 1/23/17 11:10am]

eek OMG, it is gone!! mad

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Reply #382 posted 01/23/17 3:55pm

Menes

precioux said:

In regards to the curiosity thread---- Yes, I was on there reading the thread last night, and the last post was all about P and drugs. The poster apologized at the end of the post in italics at the end and stated "Sorry, I know we're not supposed to talk about P and Rx medicine/pills"....then within literally 1 minute, the thread was deleted. I'm not going to say who the poster was, because I know they will get backlash. They know who they are.Peace and Love

[Edited 1/23/17 11:08am]

[Edited 1/23/17 11:10am]

It's not clear to me why the poster's post just couldnt be deleted, perhaps issue a stern warning , or suspend priveledges for a day or so. There are so many ways to deal with that without having to delete hundreds of thoughts and ideas on that thread. I can't imagine why a person would post something just to get an entire thread removed. If they apologized, why such a harsh reaction? Makes no sense. Deleting the entire thread( which contained a wealth of information besides discussions about "X") ,seems quite broad and intentional. 'Till April then.

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Reply #383 posted 01/23/17 3:56pm

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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:


--Cash infusion and Tidal is working adding series, and movies to their platform.
[Edited 1/23/17 10:18am]

Seems like a waste of money. Tidal won't survive unless someone big swallows them up.

Why! All businesses start out small and some grow. People laughed at Anazon.com and Netflix but the only people laughing now are the investors.
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Reply #384 posted 01/23/17 4:01pm

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Menes said:



precioux said:


In regards to the curiosity thread---- Yes, I was on there reading the thread last night, and the last post was all about P and drugs. The poster apologized at the end of the post in italics at the end and stated "Sorry, I know we're not supposed to talk about P and Rx medicine/pills"....then within literally 1 minute, the thread was deleted. I'm not going to say who the poster was, because I know they will get backlash. They know who they are.Peace and Love

[Edited 1/23/17 11:08am]


[Edited 1/23/17 11:10am]



It's not clear to me why the poster's post just couldnt be deleted, perhaps issue a stern warning , or suspend priveledges for a day or so. There are so many ways to deal with that without having to delete hundreds of thoughts and ideas on that thread. I can't imagine why a person would post something just to get an entire thread removed. If they apologized, why such a harsh reaction? Makes no sense. Deleting the entire thread( which contained a wealth of information besides discussions about "X") ,seems quite broad and intentional. 'Till April then.


Deleting the post will not make the subject vanish. There are Facebook pages and other boards all of whom manage to discuss this topic without censorship. We will all be back on April 21st because it is up to the fans to keep this going. Who else is even interested?
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Reply #385 posted 01/23/17 4:03pm

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Menes said:



ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:




Menes said:


Continuation... I forgot to add Roc nations response to Bremer's law suit in my pervious report... That should bring us all up to speed until the next filing.








SPECIAL ADMINISTRATOR Roc...dicial ...





Thanks Menes.


That Limited Objection filed by Roc Nation was so wordy even I couldnt understand it.


I had to go pour a glass of wine hoping that would help me understand the words.


It didnt help.


I think Roc Nation's defense is to file wordy documents that dont make sense which will leave their opponent dazed and confused.


stoned



So, I keep reading on this thread about Londell Mcmillan's involvement and who he supports in this matter. Please advise. There are additional docs.


--It appears the final inventory sheet had been redacted. Interesting due to the information about the missing Tribute concert money whic did not appear in the sheet at all.
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Reply #386 posted 01/23/17 4:22pm

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laurarichardson said:

Menes said:



precioux said:


In regards to the curiosity thread---- Yes, I was on there reading the thread last night, and the last post was all about P and drugs. The poster apologized at the end of the post in italics at the end and stated "Sorry, I know we're not supposed to talk about P and Rx medicine/pills"....then within literally 1 minute, the thread was deleted. I'm not going to say who the poster was, because I know they will get backlash. They know who they are.Peace and Love

[Edited 1/23/17 11:08am]


[Edited 1/23/17 11:10am]



It's not clear to me why the poster's post just couldnt be deleted, perhaps issue a stern warning , or suspend priveledges for a day or so. There are so many ways to deal with that without having to delete hundreds of thoughts and ideas on that thread. I can't imagine why a person would post something just to get an entire thread removed. If they apologized, why such a harsh reaction? Makes no sense. Deleting the entire thread( which contained a wealth of information besides discussions about "X") ,seems quite broad and intentional. 'Till April then.


Deleting the post will not make the subject vanish. There are Facebook pages and other boards all of whom manage to discuss this topic without censorship. We will all be back on April 21st because it is up to the fans to keep this going. Who else is even interested?

Why does it need to be kept up?
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Reply #387 posted 01/23/17 4:24pm

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laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:


Seems like a waste of money. Tidal won't survive unless someone big swallows them up.

Why! All businesses start out small and some grow. People laughed at Anazon.com and Netflix but the only people laughing now are the investors.

How many Amazon and Netflix's are out there? How many competitors were there to iTunes? Kanye wanted Apple to buy Tidal. I don't know if they will but someone will.
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Reply #388 posted 01/23/17 5:23pm

Menes

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

So, I keep reading on this thread about Londell Mcmillan's involvement and who he supports in this matter. Please advise. There are additional docs.

Im confused as to what you mean about who Londell supports.

I was referencing the things that were stated about his getting involved with Prince's estate, copyrights, future shows/concerts etc. Not sure if it's seen as a good thing of not?

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Reply #389 posted 01/23/17 5:33pm

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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:


Why! All businesses start out small and some grow. People laughed at Anazon.com and Netflix but the only people laughing now are the investors.

How many Amazon and Netflix's are out there? How many competitors were there to iTunes? Kanye wanted Apple to buy Tidal. I don't know if they will but someone will.

When Amazom and Netflix started they had a lot of competition their must have been thousands of dot.com start ups and plenty of people laughed at Netflix going up against Blockbuster. No company is going to buy a large stake in a business if they think it is going to fail and even if they buy Jay-Z out of his 50% share he will walk away a rich man which I believe is what is disturbing people.
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