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Thread started 11/29/16 11:39pm

khill95

QUIRKINESS OR WEIRDNESS??

It's obvious that P has a lot of quirk and witty humor with his music and onstage persona. This is one of the things I LOVE most about him. He embraces the weird and he doesn't give a f about it. This is a question for the OG fans. Did he ever seem downright weird or bizarre? A lot of what he did, at least to me, seems funny, or like I said, quirky and witty. From the ejaculating guitar, to wearing animal print underwear, even riding on the back of some big ol security guard, got a good chuckle out of me the first time I saw it. Even his later stuff that he did like the name symbol change and writing slave on his face says to me that this is a guy who knows who he is, what he's about, and doesn't take any crap from anybody. I'm only saying this because after the 60's and 70's, with the "free love" movement, counterculture, and all of that, it seems kind of odd that these actions were considered "controversial" at the time.

Thoughts?
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Reply #1 posted 11/29/16 11:41pm

anudha

He was a kook and a hoot

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Reply #2 posted 11/30/16 12:17am

LBrent

I've never felt P was weird, but I do think he was quirky. Lol

I've always felt that whatever he was doing was, for the most part, done with a wink and the general public was taking things waaay too seriously.

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Reply #3 posted 11/30/16 3:41am

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LBrent said:

I've never felt P was weird, but I do think he was quirky. Lol



I've always felt that whatever he was doing was, for the most part, done with a wink and the general public was taking things waaay too seriously.


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Reply #4 posted 11/30/16 4:09am

Lovejunky

I have to say that a lot of what he did bewildered me..though I put it down to his being highly creative, many things I just didnt understand..

slaVe on his face...I just didnt get it at the time....

Its only now after he has passed that Im starting to understand the depth of his character and the Genius that flowed through him...not only as a Musician

30 years ago, I might have thought him a little wierd...20 years ago quirky perhaps..

but now I simply see that he was more free than possibly anyone else I can think of...

The fact that he lived his life and continued his creativity without the use of Intoxicants which are another kind of enslavement, has made me see him with Awe and at times some reverence...

In a world filled with Drugs and Alcohol, he stayed Clean...

Now Thats QUIRKY....

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Reply #5 posted 11/30/16 4:38am

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Prince wasn't afraid to be himself, misunderstood and all. I really admire that about him. And no, he wouldn't take people's crap either, meaning he didn't let himself get foiled by people and chose the right people to have in his life.

As LJ said, I've always also respected that he never got into the drug and alcohol scene. He always kept his head about him. Most of us did get into that especially in the 80s and 90s. It would've been totally acceptable and even expected, but Prince had other plans for himself and was responsible to his body and God and all the people he knew were counting on him over the years and all those he would help.

That's why I know he's with God. He fulfilled his purpose.

Also, I was a little younger than teens in the 70s, and I will tell you guys Prince's age had a real true cool about them and they were nice too. Prince always kept that. Because he was married to much younger women we sometimes forget that is the generation he came from.
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Reply #6 posted 11/30/16 6:59am

khill95

Lovejunky said:

I have to say that a lot of what he did bewildered me..though I put it down to his being highly creative, many things I just didnt understand..



slaVe on his face...I just didnt get it at the time....



Its only now after he has passed that Im starting to understand the depth of his character and the Genius that flowed through him...not only as a Musician


30 years ago, I might have thought him a little wierd...20 years ago quirky perhaps..



but now I simply see that he was more free than possibly anyone else I can think of...



The fact that he lived his life and continued his creativity without the use of Intoxicants which are another kind of enslavement, has made me see him with Awe and at times some reverence...



In a world filled with Drugs and Alcohol, he stayed Clean...



Now Thats QUIRKY....




So true about the drugs and alcohol thing. I'm a musician myself, I go to music school, and alcohol is almost like water to some of these guys. And the fact that there was an artist that lived without those unhealthy vices, is probably one of the MOST inspiring parts about him. You don't need to go on a billion drug trips to "get hip", or drink booze to "feel loose".
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Reply #7 posted 11/30/16 7:00am

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Quirky and weird are synonyms.

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
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Reply #8 posted 11/30/16 7:17am

steakfinger

Genesia said:

Quirky and weird are synonyms.

Truth.

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Reply #9 posted 11/30/16 9:23am

phatphuk



khill95 said:



Lovejunky said:

So true about the drugs and alcohol thing. I'm a musician myself, I go to music school, and alcohol is almost like water to some of these guys. And the fact that there was an artist that lived without those unhealthy vices, is probably one of the MOST inspiring parts about him. You don't need to go on a billion drug trips to "get hip", or drink booze to "feel loose".



Not "So true" — according to a lot of peoples' differing opinions on that “fact”



laurarichardson said:

TrevorAyer said:

hey now .. this is a PRINCE site after all .. the "dude" from smashing pumpkins was Jonathan Melvoin .. Wendy and Susannahs brother. He also played on PARADE (a prince record for all you non prince listeners posting)

and lets not forget the biggest hollywood phamacutical murder of them all .... MJ

i kinda think prince has some alchohal issues more so than any harder drugs .. and probably some prescription pills too .. i think it took hold when he changed to the artist



I have said for years sometimes he looks drunk in some photos and people in his circles have talked about his drinking and even P mentioned once when talkiing about how Larry G helped him with his alcohol issues but no one on this board will hear such a thing. P must be coke head







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Reply #10 posted 11/30/16 9:26am

phatphuk



khill95 said:

QUIRKINESS OR WEIRDNESS??

It's obvious that P has a lot of quirk and witty humor with his music and onstage persona. This is one of the things I LOVE most about him. He embraces the weird and he doesn't give a f about it. This is a question for the OG fans. Did he ever seem downright weird or bizarre? A lot of what he did, at least to me, seems funny, or like I said, quirky and witty. From the ejaculating guitar, to wearing animal print underwear, even riding on the back of some big ol security guard, got a good chuckle out of me the first time I saw it. Even his later stuff that he did like the name symbol change and writing slave on his face says to me that this is a guy who knows who he is, what he's about, and doesn't take any crap from anybody. I'm only saying this because after the 60's and 70's, with the "free love" movement, counterculture, and all of that, it seems kind of odd that these actions were considered "controversial" at the time.



Thoughts?



Actually, Hendrix was doing the ejaculating guitar thing back in the 60s.



Both Keith Richards and Dave Davies have both been given credit for starting the seminal, "Dude Looks Like A Lady" schtick that so many others after them — {Bowie and Prince included} — eventually elaborated on.



Prince also aped quite a few of Jagger's moves in his very early performances. He out-Micked Mick himself in a lot of ways. The animal print BVDs was one of those ways.



I'd always suspected that Prince's uncanny Mick-mimickery was one of the many reasons that the Stones invited them to open for them back then.



Of course, Prince gave his schtick his own quirky twist. But there is something to the saying — "There's nothing new under the Sun".







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Reply #11 posted 11/30/16 11:28am

manabean84

I love how Prince felt so comfortable in expressing himself. That help me, as a person to be able to do the same thing. I'm not any where near "outrageous" as he was, however. He wasn't afraid of what people would think of him. He did what he did and he didn't give a f about it. People I know have said things about him that he's weird, queer, odd...but I loved it. He wouldn't have been Prince without being...Prince lol. I do not think he was weird. He was quirky, he was unique, he was open to express himself, but mainly he was Prince.

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Reply #12 posted 11/30/16 11:37am

morningsong

His weirdness with entertaining to watch, but to me, the fact that a lot of the weirdness (maybe not all of it) had some serious validity to it made him interesting. And the fact the weirdness wasn't through and through, it had moments. He was bold, it's how I see it.

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Reply #13 posted 11/30/16 1:52pm

AnonymousFan

phatphuk said:



khill95 said:



Lovejunky said:

So true about the drugs and alcohol thing. I'm a musician myself, I go to music school, and alcohol is almost like water to some of these guys. And the fact that there was an artist that lived without those unhealthy vices, is probably one of the MOST inspiring parts about him. You don't need to go on a billion drug trips to "get hip", or drink booze to "feel loose".



Not "So true" — according to a lot of peoples' differing opinions on that “fact”



laurarichardson said:

TrevorAyer said:

hey now .. this is a PRINCE site after all .. the "dude" from smashing pumpkins was Jonathan Melvoin .. Wendy and Susannahs brother. He also played on PARADE (a prince record for all you non prince listeners posting)

and lets not forget the biggest hollywood phamacutical murder of them all .... MJ

i kinda think prince has some alchohal issues more so than any harder drugs .. and probably some prescription pills too .. i think it took hold when he changed to the artist



I have said for years sometimes he looks drunk in some photos and people in his circles have talked about his drinking and even P mentioned once when talkiing about how Larry G helped him with his alcohol issues but no one on this board will hear such a thing. P must be coke head







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Can we talk about this? I've never seen Prince look or act drunk, but maybe, that's just me wearing rose-tinted glasses.

What did Prince specfically say about Larry Graham helping him?

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Reply #14 posted 11/30/16 2:03pm

BEAUGARDE

He was a pop star, so of course

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Reply #15 posted 11/30/16 2:15pm

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I love his weirderness, what i can't get my head around is why the press said that Michael was weird when Prince was weirder, and even in his private life, unlike Jackson.

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Reply #16 posted 11/30/16 2:22pm

CherryMoon57

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Based on those Google definitions and synonyms... I'd say he was both weird and quirky. He certainly seemed to resist the restrictive societal 'mould' and led life his own way and that's why we took notice and loved him so much... For giving us that inspiration, the possibility that we can all go off the beaten tracks if we want to... and that there is something else to life than what we see and that we are being presented with. That certainly was and still is an inspiration for me.

weird
wɪəd/
adjective
  1. 1.
    suggesting something supernatural; unearthly.
    "weird, inhuman sounds"
    synonyms: uncanny, eerie, unnatural, preternatural, supernatural, unearthly, other-worldly, unreal,ghostly, mysterious, mystifying, strange, abnormal, unusual;
    informalcreepy, spooky, freaky;
    informalrum
    "they have experienced all sorts of weird events"
  2. 2.
    archaic
    connected with fate.
noun
SCOTTISH archaic
  1. 1.
    a person's destiny.



quirky
ˈkwəːki/
adjective
  1. having or characterized by peculiar or unexpected traits or aspects.
    "her sense of humour was decidedly quirky"
    synonyms: eccentric, idiosyncratic, unconventional, unorthodox, unusual, off-centre, strange,bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, Bohemian,alternative, zany;
    informalwacky, freaky, kinky, way-out, far out, kooky, oddball,off the wall;
    informalin left field;
    "he had this quirky sense of humour"

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Reply #17 posted 11/30/16 2:46pm

phatphuk



AnonymousFan said:

phatphuk said:

khill95 said:



Lovejunky said:

So true about the drugs and alcohol thing. I'm a musician myself, I go to music school, and alcohol is almost like water to some of these guys. And the fact that there was an artist that lived without those unhealthy vices, is probably one of the MOST inspiring parts about him. You don't need to go on a billion drug trips to "get hip", or drink booze to "feel loose".



Not "So true" — according to a lot of peoples' differing opinions on that “fact”



laurarichardson said:

TrevorAyer said:

hey now .. this is a PRINCE site after all .. the "dude" from smashing pumpkins was Jonathan Melvoin .. Wendy and Susannahs brother. He also played on PARADE (a prince record for all you non prince listeners posting)

and lets not forget the biggest hollywood phamacutical murder of them all .... MJ

i kinda think prince has some alchohal issues more so than any harder drugs .. and probably some prescription pills too .. i think it took hold when he changed to the artist



I have said for years sometimes he looks drunk in some photos and people in his circles have talked about his drinking and even P mentioned once when talkiing about how Larry G helped him with his alcohol issues but no one on this board will hear such a thing. P must be coke head



Can we talk about this? I've never seen Prince look or act drunk, but maybe, that's just me wearing rose-tinted glasses.



What did Prince specfically say about Larry Graham helping him?



Sorry. I think the site's post editor mangled my post and made it hard to tell who was saying what.



I would like to know myself, exactly what Prince said to Larry Graham. Except I'm not the original poster of neither of those two posts..



I was only quoting them



One of the original posters is still active though. I'm sure they won't mind you nudging them for an answer.



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Reply #18 posted 11/30/16 3:15pm

morningsong

I really don't see him as weird.


Of course everytime I say that, something does pop into my head he's done that makes absolutely no sense to me, so I guess my statement is a moot point.


But honestly, I think he was pretty stable, I think that about all you can wish for.




As far as MJ is concern, I just found out some of the earlier "weird" antics in the media, he planted himself, he didn't realize one day it would get really out of hand in the media. Which makes me give P the side-eye and leads me back to I don't think he was really weird, which then I think of something and the whole process starts again.



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Reply #19 posted 11/30/16 3:21pm

PliablyPurple

Quirkiness and weirdness are attractive to me, so if he was, I never saw it as something negative. I did, however, live through most of his career as a fan and can say that in my experience, especially during the 90s, a lot of people left Prince because of his behavior. And yes, I do recall the word "weird" being used, usually preceded by "too". But I think a lot of that was misunderstood by the general public. And it had an effect on the record reviews he was getting at the time, too. Anybody recall the Rolling Stone review of Chaos and Disorder? Doesn't matter, we have links for that:



http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/chaos-and-disorder-19960822



Tell me that these few opening lines don't come with some pre-conceived notions about P. No way in hell is this person going to give the music a chance:



His ongoing war of protest and whining against his record label is also reflected in the photos adorning the pages of the Chaos and Disorder booklet: a syringe with a dollar bill rolled up inside, a toilet with a heart floating in the water, and the master-tape vault inside Paisley Park Studios, framed by gold records. Before you hear a single note, you're prepped for a halfhearted transaction from a self-pitying celebrity.



That's from the opening paragraph.

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Reply #20 posted 11/30/16 4:17pm

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Prince was unique and unafraid to be himself. I think a lot of people who did not know or understand him would say he is "weird". Prince was bullied as a child, so I think with his musical success, he was able to be himself and express himself, which he probably would not have been able to do if he was not famous, imo.

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Reply #21 posted 11/30/16 4:21pm

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I dunno about the alcohol thing. In Rick James memoirs he wrote about how "straight" Prince was and he said that one time he walked over to Prince and poured some liquor down his throat, and Prince did not like that. I believe Rick James, he did not BS about stuff like that. You never saw Prince doing the "party scene" and drinking and smoking. If he did, he sure hid it from all of us. Wendy even said that one time, she brought along a beer to rehearsal and Prince got so mad, he fined her!! LMAO!! Now, only Prince would do that! lol

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Reply #22 posted 11/30/16 4:26pm

rogifan

morningsong said:

I really don't see him as weird.


Of course everytime I say that, something does pop into my head he's done that makes absolutely no sense to me, so I guess my statement is a moot point.


But honestly, I think he was pretty stable, I think that about all you can wish for.




As far as MJ is concern, I just found out some of the earlier "weird" antics in the media, he planted himself, he didn't realize one day it would get really out of hand in the media. Which makes me give P the side-eye and leads me back to I don't think he was really weird, which then I think of something and the whole process starts again.




As quirky or odd as P might have been was there ever any real scandal or drama around him? Certainly nothing to the level of MJ or even Madonna or plenty of other celebrities.
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Reply #23 posted 11/30/16 4:29pm

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rogifan said:

morningsong said:

I really don't see him as weird.


Of course everytime I say that, something does pop into my head he's done that makes absolutely no sense to me, so I guess my statement is a moot point.


But honestly, I think he was pretty stable, I think that about all you can wish for.




As far as MJ is concern, I just found out some of the earlier "weird" antics in the media, he planted himself, he didn't realize one day it would get really out of hand in the media. Which makes me give P the side-eye and leads me back to I don't think he was really weird, which then I think of something and the whole process starts again.



As quirky or odd as P might have been was there ever any real scandal or drama around him? Certainly nothing to the level of MJ or even Madonna or plenty of other celebrities.

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Yes! I've said the very same thing! You never saw Prince involved in any scandal, and with all the people he worked with and was acquainted with, that is pretty darn amazing!! He was a very private man. I don't know how he managed to do it, but he did. He wanted to be famous for his music, not for his personal life.

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Reply #24 posted 11/30/16 4:40pm

morningsong

rogifan said:

morningsong said:

I really don't see him as weird.


Of course everytime I say that, something does pop into my head he's done that makes absolutely no sense to me, so I guess my statement is a moot point.


But honestly, I think he was pretty stable, I think that about all you can wish for.




As far as MJ is concern, I just found out some of the earlier "weird" antics in the media, he planted himself, he didn't realize one day it would get really out of hand in the media. Which makes me give P the side-eye and leads me back to I don't think he was really weird, which then I think of something and the whole process starts again.



As quirky or odd as P might have been was there ever any real scandal or drama around him? Certainly nothing to the level of MJ or even Madonna or plenty of other celebrities.



I think the only "weird" thing about Prince was his NEED to make music and perform. Outside of that he was just a quiet private neat guy.

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Reply #25 posted 11/30/16 4:50pm

rogifan

cloveringold85 said:



rogifan said:


morningsong said:

I really don't see him as weird.


Of course everytime I say that, something does pop into my head he's done that makes absolutely no sense to me, so I guess my statement is a moot point.


But honestly, I think he was pretty stable, I think that about all you can wish for.




As far as MJ is concern, I just found out some of the earlier "weird" antics in the media, he planted himself, he didn't realize one day it would get really out of hand in the media. Which makes me give P the side-eye and leads me back to I don't think he was really weird, which then I think of something and the whole process starts again.





As quirky or odd as P might have been was there ever any real scandal or drama around him? Certainly nothing to the level of MJ or even Madonna or plenty of other celebrities.

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Yes! I've said the very same thing! You never saw Prince involved in any scandal, and with all the people he worked with and was acquainted with, that is pretty darn amazing!! He was a very private man. I don't know how he managed to do it, but he did. He wanted to be famous for his music, not for his personal life.




One of the reasons I'm a fan. Plus I think he just grew up and got wiser with age. This is what he told Entertainment Weekly in 2004:

“Look at this situation with the FCC after Janet: We’ve gone too far now. We’ve pushed the envelope off the table and forgotten there was a table. You can’t push the envelope any further than I pushed it. So stop! What’s the point?”

This is one reason I've never been much of a Madonna fan. At some point constantly trying to shock people is no longer interesting, or shocking. I see her in an outfit like this at the 2015 Grammys and just roll my eyes.

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Reply #26 posted 11/30/16 4:53pm

rogifan

morningsong said:



rogifan said:


morningsong said:

I really don't see him as weird.


Of course everytime I say that, something does pop into my head he's done that makes absolutely no sense to me, so I guess my statement is a moot point.


But honestly, I think he was pretty stable, I think that about all you can wish for.




As far as MJ is concern, I just found out some of the earlier "weird" antics in the media, he planted himself, he didn't realize one day it would get really out of hand in the media. Which makes me give P the side-eye and leads me back to I don't think he was really weird, which then I think of something and the whole process starts again.





As quirky or odd as P might have been was there ever any real scandal or drama around him? Certainly nothing to the level of MJ or even Madonna or plenty of other celebrities.



I think the only "weird" thing about Prince was his NEED to make music and perform. Outside of that he was just a quiet private neat guy.


Which fits in with his lack of sleep. I think he once told Mavis Staples that sleeping was a waste of time. lol Not for me. I need my sleep.
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Reply #27 posted 11/30/16 4:57pm

morningsong

rogifan said:

morningsong said:



I think the only "weird" thing about Prince was his NEED to make music and perform. Outside of that he was just a quiet private neat guy.

Which fits in with his lack of sleep. I think he once told Mavis Staples that sleeping was a waste of time. lol Not for me. I need my sleep.



A whole lot of high profile people seem to say the same thing. Hence I'm not a high profile person.

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rogifan said:

morningsong said:



I think the only "weird" thing about Prince was his NEED to make music and perform. Outside of that he was just a quiet private neat guy.

Which fits in with his lack of sleep. I think he once told Mavis Staples that sleeping was a waste of time. lol Not for me. I need my sleep
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Reply #29 posted 11/30/16 5:06pm

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LMAO!! Yes, how could we forget Madonna's buns? lol

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It was cool when Prince did it, but people need to try something new! LOL lol

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rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:

One of the reasons I'm a fan. Plus I think he just grew up and got wiser with age. This is what he told Entertainment Weekly in 2004:
“Look at this situation with the FCC after Janet: We’ve gone too far now. We’ve pushed the envelope off the table and forgotten there was a table. You can’t push the envelope any further than I pushed it. So stop! What’s the point?”
This is one reason I've never been much of a Madonna fan. At some point constantly trying to shock people is no longer interesting, or shocking. I see her in an outfit like this at the 2015 Grammys and just roll my eyes. yQ7Hq.jpg

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