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Reply #180 posted 11/20/16 5:15pm

pinkcashmere23

jaawwnn said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Sheila was technically a protege and she got 3 albums and was around a lot longer than 2 years. Andy had 2 albums if you count Oui Can Luv plus the duets they did. She said they wrote and recorded a lot more music that hasn't been heard.

There's a world of difference between Sheila E. and Andy Allo, on so many levels, get some perspective.

Very true but I was saying the 1 record deal wasn't true in all cases. And Prince seemed pretty pleased with the work he did with Andy since he used some of the songs on his last few realeases. I think Andy and Sheila are both talented. Sheila is a virtuoso on drums and percussion.While Andy is a talented singer/songwriter.Brian Culbertson thought so since he had her open for him recently.He said she had a beautiful voice also.

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Reply #181 posted 11/20/16 5:19pm

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I didn't see anyone comparing Sheila to Andy. confused
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Reply #182 posted 11/20/16 5:50pm

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pinkcashmere23 said:

jaawwnn said:

There's a world of difference between Sheila E. and Andy Allo, on so many levels, get some perspective.

Very true but I was saying the 1 record deal wasn't true in all cases. And Prince seemed pretty pleased with the work he did with Andy since he used some of the songs on his last few realeases. I think Andy and Sheila are both talented. Sheila is a virtuoso on drums and percussion.While Andy is a talented singer/songwriter.Brian Culbertson thought so since he had her open for him recently.He said she had a beautiful voice also.

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Sure. I think her songs are mediocre at best and i'm fairly indifferent to her voice but if other people like them that's cool, I wish her all the success in her career.

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Reply #183 posted 11/20/16 6:40pm

FlyOnTheWall

jaawwnn said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Sheila was technically a protege and she got 3 albums and was around a lot longer than 2 years. Andy had 2 albums if you count Oui Can Luv plus the duets they did. She said they wrote and recorded a lot more music that hasn't been heard.

There's a world of difference between Sheila E. and Andy Allo, on so many levels, get some perspective.

We're talking protegés, are we not? pinkcashmere23 is merely pointing out that Jill's statement is not gospel. And, I love me some Jill Jones, but I don't know why her word is being cited here like it is from some sacred text.

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Reply #184 posted 11/20/16 7:01pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

jaawwnn said:

There's a world of difference between Sheila E. and Andy Allo, on so many levels, get some perspective.

We're talking protegés, are we not? pinkcashmere23 is merely pointing out that Jill's statement is not gospel. And, I love me some Jill Jones, but I don't know why her word is being cited here like it is from some sacred text.

Exactly.Thank you.

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Reply #185 posted 11/20/16 7:01pm

FlyOnTheWall

jaawwnn said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Very true but I was saying the 1 record deal wasn't true in all cases. And Prince seemed pretty pleased with the work he did with Andy since he used some of the songs on his last few realeases. I think Andy and Sheila are both talented. Sheila is a virtuoso on drums and percussion.While Andy is a talented singer/songwriter.Brian Culbertson thought so since he had her open for him recently.He said she had a beautiful voice also.

[Edited 11/20/16 17:36pm]

Sure. I think her songs are mediocre at best and i'm fairly indifferent to her voice but if other people like them that's cool, I wish her all the success in her career.

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Mediocre? Seriously? Have you listened to her Hello EP? The song "Don't Ever Say" is hauntingly beautiful, with amazing depth for a twenty-something-year-old. "Tongue Tied" is another jewel. Not to mention her critically acclaimed album, Superconductor, which, besides the slamming title track, has beauties like "Nothing More," and "Yellow Gold." And, one other thing that sets her apart from other protegés is the fact that her first Prince-produced album was her sophomore album. By the time she met Prince, she had already scraped up the money to independently produce her very well-received first album, Unfresh, at twenty-years-old. Some will never be able to admit it, but Prince was impressed by more than Andy's beauty. She is a serious talent.

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Reply #186 posted 11/20/16 7:16pm

pinkcashmere23

Did you read the interview Prince did with Dr Funkenberry in 2013? He mentioned everthing you just posted. He said Andy hustled and gave it her all in everything she did. He was very impressed with her. The interview was still up last I checked.

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Reply #187 posted 11/20/16 7:39pm

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

Did you read the interview Prince did with Dr Funkenberry in 2013? He mentioned everthing you just posted. He said Andy hustled and gave it her all in everything she did. He was very impressed with her. The interview was still up last I checked.

No, I haven't seen it, but I'm not surprised. I'll look for it now. Thanks. I did, however, see (or read) one of her interviews in which she described her struggle to finance her first album. I was/remain thoroughly impressed.

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Reply #188 posted 11/20/16 7:46pm

pinkcashmere23

I think I know which one you're talking about. I think her independence is one of the things Prince loved about her.

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Reply #189 posted 11/20/16 8:07pm

FlyOnTheWall

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I think I know which one you're talking about. I think her independence is one of the things Prince loved about her.

yes I agree. He couldn't control Ms. Andy.

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Reply #190 posted 11/20/16 8:20pm

wavesofbliss

i have to agree with jaawwnn that sheila is an outlier in the protegee situation. anyone who can't see that needs to take another look. and for the sheila recorded and appears on countless prince recordings,released and un-released. she also has at least 1 other album in the vault. so does jill and i knew that when i posted earlier. my point is that there are exceptions to prove every rule. u see andy as an exception, i don't. 30+ yrs of behavior speaks for itself. with or without jill sharing details and her own experience, which happens to co-oberate stories from other women and illustrate the pattern i mentioned.

--// nice to hear she was invited to attend some things. i had no idea about the plaque thing. looks like the npg horns sections from 'people pleaser'.

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Reply #191 posted 11/20/16 8:21pm

FlyOnTheWall

When all is said and done, Andy might be young, but Prince was not able to "Svengali" her, as he was known to do with most other protegés. "Eye let u break all of my rules," he wrote in what is believed to be his last song, "Stay Cool," which remains, handwritten, on a music stand in Studio A. Underneath that song is a typed copy of HNR2's "Look At Me, Look At U," in which he writes, in verse four:

...Fight it, yes, my soul has tried
When you look at me
All other women just roll their eyes
But even Ray Charles can see you
Stevie Wonder can too
Thoughts well up and wonder
Thinking about me and you
A dozen fantasies you
Call me one and done
When you look at me
Look at you, look at me

Here are the complete lyrics for "Stay Cool," Prince's last song, on display in his beloved Studio A, for posterity. It is not known if he actually recorded the tune.

Stay Cool

Ain’t no reason 2 get uptight
When everybody else is feelin a groove
Alright, alright?!
Stay cool, Baby
Don’t b no tool?
Don’t worry what’s happenin wit the candy girl
U’re the only one that matters in my world
Alright?….Alright?
Alright
Stay Cool Stay Cool Baby Baby
” ”

Stay Cool, Ur so beautifool
U must b cuz eye let u break all of my rules
Eye let u take ur top off in my swimming pool
Alright? Alright
Don’t fight let’s don’t fight
(possibly a scratch-out)Don’t u wanna make sweet love all
_____ night & wake up with a smile
a million miles Sun Shines so bright
Alright
Stay Cool….Stay Baby Baby

P (signature)

[Edited 11/20/16 22:02pm]

[Edited 11/20/16 22:54pm]

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Reply #192 posted 11/20/16 8:31pm

pinkcashmere23

wavesofbliss said:

i have to agree with jaawwnn that sheila is an outlier in the protegee situation. anyone who can't see that needs to take another look. and for the sheila recorded and appears on countless prince recordings,released and un-released. she also has at least 1 other album in the vault. so does jill and i knew that when i posted earlier. my point is that there are exceptions to prove every rule. u see andy as an exception, i don't. 30+ yrs of behavior speaks for itself. with or without jill sharing details and her own experience, which happens to co-oberate stories from other women and illustrate the pattern i mentioned.

--// nice to hear she was invited to attend some things. i had no idea about the plaque thing. looks like the npg horns sections from 'people pleaser'.

Yes. Adrian Crutchfield,Joey Rayfield and Lynn Grisett.

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Reply #193 posted 11/20/16 8:34pm

FlyOnTheWall

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i have to agree with jaawwnn that sheila is an outlier in the protegee situation. anyone who can't see that needs to take another look. and for the sheila recorded and appears on countless prince recordings,released and un-released. she also has at least 1 other album in the vault. so does jill and i knew that when i posted earlier. my point is that there are exceptions to prove every rule. u see andy as an exception, i don't. 30+ yrs of behavior speaks for itself. with or without jill sharing details and her own experience, which happens to co-oberate stories from other women and illustrate the pattern i mentioned.

--// nice to hear she was invited to attend some things. i had no idea about the plaque thing. looks like the npg horns sections from 'people pleaser'.

I'm not even going to get into a comparison of Sheila and Andy. Sheila's relationship with Prince is long and storied. She is among the best percussionists in the world. But this thread is about Prince and Andy, who many believe was Prince's last great love, and with whom he did something he had never done before: feature her (PROMINENTLY) on his album, Art Official Age, which is arguably his last masterpiece; although HNR2, on which Andy also collaborated, holds that mantle for many Prince fams. She even co-wrote "Time" and "This is What it Feels Like." This is how Andy describes that time during which she and Prince were, apparently, in a historic groove at Paisley Park.

Prince and I wrote those songs around the same time as Superconductor. The way we wrote was seamless. If there was a line or verse needed, one of us would write it or chime in to add something different. “Time” and “This Is What It Feels Like” were always meant for a separate project even though “What Is Feels Like” is a continuation of “When Stars Collide”. It was a very inspiring time and there were a lot of great songs written and music recorded. I’m happy these songs got to be released and heard by the fans. Read more

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Reply #194 posted 11/20/16 8:48pm

pinkcashmere23

Prince had a special partnership with Andy it seems. In the talk with Dr Funkenberry Prince said Andy put Superconductor out hereself too.But he was wanting to re-release it as Superconductor Reloaded with their duets included.

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Reply #195 posted 11/20/16 9:05pm

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

Prince had a special partnership with Andy it seems. In the talk with Dr Funkenberry Prince said Andy put Superconductor out hereself too.But he was wanting to re-release it as Superconductor Reloaded with their duets included.

Indeed. No other protegé that I'm aware of would have ever dared to go around Prince and release her own record that he had produced. Actually, since, Prince basically wrote and produced all of their albums, it was not possible for any of the others to pull such a power move. As P wrote, he let Andy "break all [his] rules."

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Reply #196 posted 11/21/16 2:07am

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pinkcashmere23 said:

Prince had a special partnership with Andy it seems. In the talk with Dr Funkenberry Prince said Andy put Superconductor out hereself too.But he was wanting to re-release it as Superconductor Reloaded with their duets included.



Are there any links to any audio Funkenberry interviews with Prince? I'm googling now but can't find any.
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Reply #197 posted 11/21/16 2:26am

dodger

FlyOnTheWall said:

When all is said and done, Andy might be young, but Prince was not able to "Svengali" her, as he was known to do with most other protegés. "Eye let u break all of my rules," he wrote in what is believed to be his last song, "Stay Cool," which remains, handwritten, on a music stand in Studio A. Underneath that song is a typed copy of HNR2's "Look At Me, Look At U," in which he writes, in verse four:

...Fight it, yes, my soul has tried
When you look at me
All other women just roll their eyes
But even Ray Charles can see you
Stevie Wonder can too
Thoughts well up and wonder
Thinking about me and you
A dozen fantasies you
Call me one and done
When you look at me
Look at you, look at me

Here are the complete lyrics for "Stay Cool," Prince's last song, on display in his beloved Studio A, for posterity. It is not known if he actually recorded the tune.

Stay Cool

Ain’t no reason 2 get uptight
When everybody else is feelin a groove
Alright, alright?!
Stay cool, Baby
Don’t b no tool?
Don’t worry what’s happenin wit the candy girl
U’re the only one that matters in my world
Alright?….Alright?
Alright
Stay Cool Stay Cool Baby Baby
” ”

Stay Cool, Ur so beautifool
U must b cuz eye let u break all of my rules
Eye let u take ur top off in my swimming pool
Alright? Alright
Don’t fight let’s don’t fight
(possibly a scratch-out)Don’t u wanna make sweet love all
_____ night & wake up with a smile
a million miles Sun Shines so bright
Alright
Stay Cool….Stay Baby Baby

P (signature)

[Edited 11/20/16 22:02pm]

[Edited 11/20/16 22:54pm]

Are you saying Look At Me, Look At U is about Andy, if so how do you know this?

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Agree with others by the way - I really like the stuff he made with Andy. Time is one of my favourite P tracks in recent years

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Reply #198 posted 11/21/16 4:56am

FlyOnTheWall

dodger said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

When all is said and done, Andy might be young, but Prince was not able to "Svengali" her, as he was known to do with most other protegés. "Eye let u break all of my rules," he wrote in what is believed to be his last song, "Stay Cool," which remains, handwritten, on a music stand in Studio A. Underneath that song is a typed copy of HNR2's "Look At Me, Look At U," in which he writes, in verse four:

[Edited 11/20/16 22:02pm]

[Edited 11/20/16 22:54pm]

Are you saying Look At Me, Look At U is about Andy, if so how do you know this?

.

Agree with others by the way - I really like the stuff he made with Andy. Time is one of my favourite P tracks in recent years

Yes, dodger, that's my theory, based on hours of research in the wake of his passing. BTW, have you viewed any footage of the two of them on stage?!? If you have not, I highly recommend a clip that is presently on YouTube: "Joy in Repetition," at the North Sea Jazz Festival (June 2011). Watch how he looks at Andy, how they look at each other. There is not that much acting in the world. Those two were in love. Moreover, I think his work product with Andy tells the story. She really lit a fire under him and, I believe, in him. Just listen to the ballads, unlike any he had ever done. I mean, the climax (for lack of a better word) of "Time," reveals a vulnerability in Prince that I don't ever recall hearing.

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Reply #199 posted 11/21/16 5:59am

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I think I know which one you're talking about. I think her independence is one of the things Prince loved about her.

I think that the time period had a lot to do with it, he was probably more relaxed with this time period. That level of control can be draining. Back then his vision was very sharp and on point his album with the Time Vanity 6 Sheila E the Family Madhouse etc and he had a sub culture of a musical scene. He tried it again in the 90s but it didn't work out at all.
I think by the time Andy came out (following Bria) he was probably more relaxed...

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Reply #200 posted 11/21/16 6:38am

FlyOnTheWall

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pinkcashmere23 said:

I think I know which one you're talking about. I think her independence is one of the things Prince loved about her.

I think that the time period had a lot to do with it, he was probably more relaxed with this time period. That level of control can be draining. Back then his vision was very sharp and on point his album with the Time Vanity 6 Sheila E the Family Madhouse etc and he had a sub culture of a musical scene. He tried it again in the 90s but it didn't work out at all.
I think by the time Andy came out (following Bria) he was probably more relaxed...

I agree. He had definitely mellowed with the passage of time. Still, Andy's songwriting chops gave her a level of independence not possible for other proteges.

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Reply #201 posted 11/21/16 7:05am

pinkcashmere23

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Prince had a special partnership with Andy it seems. In the talk with Dr Funkenberry Prince said Andy put Superconductor out hereself too.But he was wanting to re-release it as Superconductor Reloaded with their duets included.

Are there any links to any audio Funkenberry interviews with Prince? I'm googling now but can't find any.

No,it was a written interview. There were supposed to be two or three parts to it but unfortunatey Dr.Funk never posted them.Part 1 is still up on his website.It was posted in June 2013.

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Reply #202 posted 11/21/16 7:31am

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Andy was an independent artist from the start. She financed and produced or co-produced her first album herself she wasn't a typical protege. She said in an interview that was one thing that attracted her to working with Prince.He was all about independence and not letting a record company control your work.She said she owned her music and wanted it to stay that way. With Prince she said it was an equal partnership. Superconductor belongs to her as much as it did to him and NPG.She has control over what happens with it.She can have more copies made when needed...she said last year she wants to release it on vinyl eventually.

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Reply #203 posted 11/21/16 7:36am

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pinkcashmere23 said:



anangellooksdown said:


pinkcashmere23 said:

Prince had a special partnership with Andy it seems. In the talk with Dr Funkenberry Prince said Andy put Superconductor out hereself too.But he was wanting to re-release it as Superconductor Reloaded with their duets included.



Are there any links to any audio Funkenberry interviews with Prince? I'm googling now but can't find any.

No,it was a written interview. There were supposed to be two or three parts to it but unfortunatey Dr.Funk never posted them.Part 1 is still up on his website.It was posted in June 2013.



ThNks again for the great information. I did find that but it looked pretty short. I'm surprised that when Funkenberry got an actual interview he didn't make much use of it. Then again he might've been asked not to.
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Reply #204 posted 11/21/16 7:40am

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Andy was an independent artist from the start. She financed and produced or co-produced her first album herself she wasn't a typical protege. She said in an interview that was one thing that attracted her to working with Prince.He was all about independence and not letting a record company control your work.She said she owned her music and wanted it to stay that way. With Prince she said it was an equal partnership. Superconductor belongs to her as much as it did to him and NPG.She has control over what happens with it.She can have more copies made when needed...she said last year she wants to release it on vinyl eventually.

The part I think he pushed the hardest on was her 'image' and stage persona. I'll locate the interview where she was talking about him making her study a female entertainer from the 60s/70s

I thought after reading it, that it was a bad move, that that was not who Andy seemed to be...

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Reply #205 posted 11/21/16 7:41am

dodger

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dodger said:

Are you saying Look At Me, Look At U is about Andy, if so how do you know this?

.

Agree with others by the way - I really like the stuff he made with Andy. Time is one of my favourite P tracks in recent years

Yes, dodger, that's my theory, based on hours of research in the wake of his passing. BTW, have you viewed any footage of the two of them on stage?!? If you have not, I highly recommend a clip that is presently on YouTube: "Joy in Repetition," at the North Sea Jazz Festival (June 2011). Watch how he looks at Andy, how they look at each other. There is not that much acting in the world. Those two were in love. Moreover, I think his work product with Andy tells the story. She really lit a fire under him and, I believe, in him. Just listen to the ballads, unlike any he had ever done. I mean, the climax (for lack of a better word) of "Time," reveals a vulnerability in Prince that I don't ever recall hearing.

Yes, I've seen the North Sea Jazz footage. And I agree he definitely seemed to be rejuvinated when she came on the scene.

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Reply #206 posted 11/21/16 8:34am

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pinkcashmere23 said:

Andy was an independent artist from the start. She financed and produced or co-produced her first album herself she wasn't a typical protege. She said in an interview that was one thing that attracted her to working with Prince.He was all about independence and not letting a record company control your work.She said she owned her music and wanted it to stay that way. With Prince she said it was an equal partnership. Superconductor belongs to her as much as it did to him and NPG.She has control over what happens with it.She can have more copies made when needed...she said last year she wants to release it on vinyl eventually.

The part I think he pushed the hardest on was her 'image' and stage persona. I'll locate the interview where she was talking about him making her study a female entertainer from the 60s/70s

I thought after reading it, that it was a bad move, that that was not who Andy seemed to be...

I think I remember reading an interview where she said he was having her watch concert footage of Betty Mabry Davis. That seemed to be the image Prince was going for and the one he introduced on the Welcome 2 Europe tour. Even then,Andy looked more comfortable in beautiful dresses,strumming her acoustic. It was strange that Prince decided to make her his lead funk guitarist when she said in an interview she never even played an electric guitar until then.I get that Prince wanted to spend time with her but he could have still had her sing back up,duet with him as well as play a few acoustic songs. I felt bad for her in that respect.

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Reply #207 posted 11/21/16 8:40am

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pinkcashmere23 said:

No,it was a written interview. There were supposed to be two or three parts to it but unfortunatey Dr.Funk never posted them.Part 1 is still up on his website.It was posted in June 2013.

ThNks again for the great information. I did find that but it looked pretty short. I'm surprised that when Funkenberry got an actual interview he didn't make much use of it. Then again he might've been asked not to.

Sure! I think Dr.Funkenberry said Prince requested that he not release the rest of the interview until he released the next album and no more was said about it after that.

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Reply #208 posted 11/21/16 8:40am

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Indeed. No other protegé that I'm aware of would have ever dared to go around Prince and release her own record that he had produced.

ingrid chavez went behind his back to finish her record without him at paisley park with micheal koppleman. prince through a fit and tried to shelve it so she went to warner bros herself to get it released bcos WB and PP were fighting about how to proceed with their partnership. the carmen electra project was not playing well in the offcies but prince kept pushing for it. WB thought IC's record had more appeal after the madonna release of 'justify my love'.

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jill, rosie and vanity all stepped away from prince andmade their own deals without him. jill and vanity left high and dry and never went back. rosie left for motown, too but that didn't work out to plan either. in some part because prince wouldn't let her out of her contract-even while he was fighting with WB about not lettting him of of his.

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u seem kinda new to all of this. are u just here to cheer AA on? nothing wrong with that if u are but it's always better to take a broader view. there are plenty of articles on the org and in print elsewhere to look into. wink

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Reply #209 posted 11/21/16 8:44am

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pinkcashmere23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The part I think he pushed the hardest on was her 'image' and stage persona. I'll locate the interview where she was talking about him making her study a female entertainer from the 60s/70s

I thought after reading it, that it was a bad move, that that was not who Andy seemed to be...

I think I remember reading an interview where she said he was having her watch concert footage of Betty Mabry Davis. That seemed to be the image Prince was going for and the one he introduced on the Welcome 2 Europe tour. Even then,Andy looked more comfortable in beautiful dresses,strumming her acoustic. It was strange that Prince decided to make her his lead funk guitarist when she said in an interview she never even played an electric guitar until then.I get that Prince wanted to spend time with her but he could have still had her sing back up,duet with him as well as play a few acoustic songs. I felt bad for her in that respect.

Betty Davis--wife and muse of the late, great Miles Davis--was my first thought, as well. I think I saw that same interview. It is interesting, though, that he wanted her to study the wife and collaborator of another musical "god."

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