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Thread started 11/13/16 1:10pm

feeluupp

"PRINCE ESTATE DIDN'T GIVE PERMISSION TO TIDAL..."

http://www.metro.us/entertainment/prince-s-estate-turns-down-jay-z-s-offer-for-unreleased-music/zsJpkm---BVoKpep4kSi3M/

After legendary singer Prince was found dead in his home from an accidental drug overdose earlier this year, rapper and businessman Jay-Z made a move to purchase the late singer’s unreleased music. TMZ reported that Jay sat down with Prince’s sister and offered around $40 million for the cherished catalog.

Apparently Prince’s estate has made a decision: No deal. TMZ has confirmed that the estate sent a letter to Jay-Z’s camp saying that they actually aren’t down to let "Roc Nation to exploit any of the intellectual property assets of the Estate." Yikes. They’re also claiming that Tidal, part-owned by Jay, was not authorized to make 15 of Prince’s albums available for streaming shortly after his death.

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Reply #1 posted 11/13/16 1:37pm

HerecomethePur
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Never, never trust the media.

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Reply #2 posted 11/13/16 1:48pm

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HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

Never, never trust the media.


If Jay-z has a contract and can show he paid what he was contractually obligated to pay he should be fine. The problem comes if he did business with Prince on a handshake. Although handshake or no handshake he should still be able to show he paid for the music.
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Reply #3 posted 11/13/16 1:50pm

kepurplehunter

Summit THE MUSIC PLEASE ONE WAY ON WHOM EVERS END RELEASE HIS MUSIC THE VAULT OF TREASURES THE INK FADES THE PAPER TURNS YELLOW & BROWN TO UNREADABLE AND THAT'S SAYS WHAT!!! THE VHS CASSETTES,CASSETTES TAPES CAN TURN TO A MESS AND THEN WHAT ELES U GOT DONT GET ME WRONG THE STUFF I ALREADY HAVE IS BORING ME PLEASE RELEASE THE VAUT ,CATALOGUES TO THE ORIGINAL BAND MEMBERS N ENGINEERS N PRODUCERS WHO KNOWS HOW PRINCE WOULD DO IT (PRINCE ROGERS NELSON I LOVE U BABY).... bawl headbang music fro sigh disbelief nod eye prince yes hammer butterfly geek dove penguin twocents present couch sun guitar key lock tinkerbell CD arrow
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Reply #4 posted 11/13/16 3:03pm

geetee71

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But weren't some of the albums available in better quality than ever before (thinking Chocolate Invasion, etc.)
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How did TIDAL make these available if they hadn't been provided by the Prince camp?
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Reply #5 posted 11/13/16 3:55pm

AnnaStesia91

geetee71 said:

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But weren't some of the albums available in better quality than ever before (thinking Chocolate Invasion, etc.)
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How did TIDAL make these available if they hadn't been provided by the Prince camp?
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I honestly got the impression that Prince had planned to do that anyway, how else would they have had access to the content? Unless Prince or someone else in his circle gave it to them.

But like somebody said don't trust the media esp not TMZ...
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Reply #6 posted 11/13/16 3:59pm

luvgirl

I'd rather not do any business with Tidal anyway. I hated the way Beyoncé handled his tribute and roll out of her album around his passing. I hope they are not involved with his work for much longer!
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Reply #7 posted 11/13/16 4:01pm

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All I know is, if PRINCE music gets taken off Tidal I'm cancelling my subscription because all I ever listened to on Tidal is Prince. rabbit
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
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Reply #8 posted 11/13/16 5:51pm

IstenSzek

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geetee71 said:

. But weren't some of the albums available in better quality than ever before (thinking Chocolate Invasion, etc.) . How did TIDAL make these available if they hadn't been provided by the Prince camp? .



they were released on Tidal in december of 2015. so obviously with prince's knowledge.

they also sound way better than they ever did on the npgmc and i'm incredibly happy
we finally have them now in such quality.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #9 posted 11/13/16 6:00pm

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geetee71 said:

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But weren't some of the albums available in better quality than ever before (thinking Chocolate Invasion, etc.)
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How did TIDAL make these available if they hadn't been provided by the Prince camp?
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Agreed. They were obviously provided by Prince. It's highly unlikely Tidal would've even known that some of those rarities even existed. The Rave In2 album for example, was mail order only.
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Reply #10 posted 11/13/16 6:04pm

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Anybody but Jay Z.
"love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince
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Reply #11 posted 11/13/16 6:09pm

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[Edited 8/29/19 0:06am]
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Reply #12 posted 11/13/16 6:49pm

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feeluupp said:

http://www.metro.us/entertainment/prince-s-estate-turns-down-jay-z-s-offer-for-unreleased-music/zsJpkm---BVoKpep4kSi3M/

After legendary singer Prince was found dead in his home from an accidental drug overdose earlier this year, rapper and businessman Jay-Z made a move to purchase the late singer’s unreleased music. TMZ reported that Jay sat down with Prince’s sister and offered around $40 million for the cherished catalog.

Apparently Prince’s estate has made a decision: No deal. TMZ has confirmed that the estate sent a letter to Jay-Z’s camp saying that they actually aren’t down to let "Roc Nation to exploit any of the intellectual property assets of the Estate." Yikes. They’re also claiming that Tidal, part-owned by Jay, was not authorized to make 15 of Prince’s albums available for streaming shortly after his death.

Lies, Prince was still alive and ALL OF THOSE ALBUMS were already available. They need to quit.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #13 posted 11/13/16 7:03pm

TwiliteKid

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No, a number of albums were made available on June 7:
http://www.billboard.com/...s-birthday
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Reply #14 posted 11/13/16 7:08pm

morningsong

Oh.
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Reply #15 posted 11/13/16 7:12pm

TwiliteKid

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IstenSzek said:



geetee71 said:


. But weren't some of the albums available in better quality than ever before (thinking Chocolate Invasion, etc.) . How did TIDAL make these available if they hadn't been provided by the Prince camp? .



they were released on Tidal in december of 2015. so obviously with prince's knowledge.

they also sound way better than they ever did on the npgmc and i'm incredibly happy
we finally have them now in such quality.



No, the first batch of albums went up in September, the same day HNR was released.

Your point stands - just want to clear up the dates.
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Reply #16 posted 11/14/16 12:58am

margi

I do not understand your thoughts on Tyka sitting down with Jay to negotiate about the unreleased music in the vault. The released and unreleased music belongs to the LLC that Prince set up January 2014 with Management of the LLC selected and is in place still today. Prince was the single shareholder in the LLC. Unless Tyka was a shareholder (and that has already been determined as NO)or a beneficiary and even then she could not negotiate anything without management involved. All Tyka would be entitled to as a beneficiary would be a stream of income allocated by her size of share if other beneficiaries are included.(charities etc)Prince may not have made any family beneficiaries and instead set up the LLC to provide a 120 year (copyright) stream of income for his projects such as music programmes for schools and charities he started. The estate belongs to the family and is in court and will eventually attract state death taxes on the gross value because Prince left no known will. The LLC stands alone and attracts no state taxes at all and did not require a will. It was set up to run as Prince wanted and support who Prince wanted with income from the sales of his music and films. That was a major reason Prince fought for ownership of his Masters, so he could generate income for 120 years through the LLC. Prince, alive or dead, the LLC will go on and that is the beauty of the business decision Prince made to protect his lifes work.
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Reply #17 posted 11/14/16 2:03am

feeluupp

paisleypark4 said:

feeluupp said:

http://www.metro.us/entertainment/prince-s-estate-turns-down-jay-z-s-offer-for-unreleased-music/zsJpkm---BVoKpep4kSi3M/

After legendary singer Prince was found dead in his home from an accidental drug overdose earlier this year, rapper and businessman Jay-Z made a move to purchase the late singer’s unreleased music. TMZ reported that Jay sat down with Prince’s sister and offered around $40 million for the cherished catalog.

Apparently Prince’s estate has made a decision: No deal. TMZ has confirmed that the estate sent a letter to Jay-Z’s camp saying that they actually aren’t down to let "Roc Nation to exploit any of the intellectual property assets of the Estate." Yikes. They’re also claiming that Tidal, part-owned by Jay, was not authorized to make 15 of Prince’s albums available for streaming shortly after his death.

Lies, Prince was still alive and ALL OF THOSE ALBUMS were already available. They need to quit.

Not true. 20TEN wasn't available... EXODUS... NEWPOWERSOUL... I remember when Prince died a bunch of albums went up on TIDAL right after.

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Reply #18 posted 11/14/16 2:54am

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margi said:

I do not understand your thoughts on Tyka sitting down with Jay to negotiate about the unreleased music in the vault. The released and unreleased music belongs to the LLC that Prince set up January 2014 with Management of the LLC selected and is in place still today. Prince was the single shareholder in the LLC. Unless Tyka was a shareholder (and that has already been determined as NO)or a beneficiary and even then she could not negotiate anything without management involved. All Tyka would be entitled to as a beneficiary would be a stream of income allocated by her size of share if other beneficiaries are included.(charities etc)Prince may not have made any family beneficiaries and instead set up the LLC to provide a 120 year (copyright) stream of income for his projects such as music programmes for schools and charities he started. The estate belongs to the family and is in court and will eventually attract state death taxes on the gross value because Prince left no known will. The LLC stands alone and attracts no state taxes at all and did not require a will. It was set up to run as Prince wanted and support who Prince wanted with income from the sales of his music and films. That was a major reason Prince fought for ownership of his Masters, so he could generate income for 120 years through the LLC. Prince, alive or dead, the LLC will go on and that is the beauty of the business decision Prince made to protect his lifes work.
[Edited 11/14/16 1:02am]

Something is going with NPG music. Does anyone know if this was up before because I did not see it a few days ago.
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Reply #19 posted 11/14/16 5:35am

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TwiliteKid said:

IstenSzek said:



they were released on Tidal in december of 2015. so obviously with prince's knowledge.

they also sound way better than they ever did on the npgmc and i'm incredibly happy
we finally have them now in such quality.

No, the first batch of albums went up in September, the same day HNR was released. Your point stands - just want to clear up the dates.


oh i know, i was just talking about those npgmc albums like chocolate invasion / expectatin etc.

and you're right that there was another big batch available from june 7.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #20 posted 11/14/16 5:54am

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laurarichardson said:

margi said:
I do not understand your thoughts on Tyka sitting down with Jay to negotiate about the unreleased music in the vault. The released and unreleased music belongs to the LLC that Prince set up January 2014 with Management of the LLC selected and is in place still today. Prince was the single shareholder in the LLC. Unless Tyka was a shareholder (and that has already been determined as NO)or a beneficiary and even then she could not negotiate anything without management involved. All Tyka would be entitled to as a beneficiary would be a stream of income allocated by her size of share if other beneficiaries are included.(charities etc)Prince may not have made any family beneficiaries and instead set up the LLC to provide a 120 year (copyright) stream of income for his projects such as music programmes for schools and charities he started. The estate belongs to the family and is in court and will eventually attract state death taxes on the gross value because Prince left no known will. The LLC stands alone and attracts no state taxes at all and did not require a will. It was set up to run as Prince wanted and support who Prince wanted with income from the sales of his music and films. That was a major reason Prince fought for ownership of his Masters, so he could generate income for 120 years through the LLC. Prince, alive or dead, the LLC will go on and that is the beauty of the business decision Prince made to protect his lifes work. [Edited 11/14/16 1:02am]
Something is going with NPG music. Does anyone know if this was up before because I did not see it a few days ago. [Edited 11/14/16 4:42am]

I know that Tony M told me that he and rest of the NPG are working on new material and shows. He said he would keep us posted on it.

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Reply #21 posted 11/14/16 6:27am

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Despite what the Estate may or may not be saying, Prince was clearly working happily with Tidal right up until his passing. Even on the Monday before his death he gave Tidal 'Black Sweat' from Atlanta as the Purple Pick.

Right now, I'd trust Tidal more than the Estate, since Prince actually chose Tidal for a working relationship. The Estate however, is a different story...

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Reply #22 posted 11/14/16 6:57am

Diamond0964

feeluupp said:

http://www.metro.us/entertainment/prince-s-estate-turns-down-jay-z-s-offer-for-unreleased-music/zsJpkm---BVoKpep4kSi3M/

After legendary singer Prince was found dead in his home from an accidental drug overdose earlier this year, rapper and businessman Jay-Z made a move to purchase the late singer’s unreleased music. TMZ reported that Jay sat down with Prince’s sister and offered around $40 million for the cherished catalog.

Apparently Prince’s estate has made a decision: No deal. TMZ has confirmed that the estate sent a letter to Jay-Z’s camp saying that they actually aren’t down to let "Roc Nation to exploit any of the intellectual property assets of the Estate." Yikes. They’re also claiming that Tidal, part-owned by Jay, was not authorized to make 15 of Prince’s albums available for streaming shortly after his death.

I don't trust the media either, however TMZ has been relatively accurate and they do back check before they air a story. I do not trust Jay Z. I am on the side of the estate and the chump change he offered for Prince's catalogue was highly insulting.

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Reply #23 posted 11/14/16 7:01am

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OperatingThetan said:

Despite what the Estate may or may not be saying, Prince was clearly working happily with Tidal right up until his passing. Even on the Monday before his death he gave Tidal 'Black Sweat' from Atlanta as the Purple Pick.





Right now, I'd trust Tidal more than the Estate, since Prince actually chose Tidal for a working relationship. The Estate however, is a different story...


This right here. cosign. I know people here and elsehwere online have their own feelings about JayZ, but it's super telling that of all the players Prince couldve chose to get down with, he chose Jay/Tidal. Clearly this is where he wanted at least part of his business to live.
"Where you are now is in a place that does not require time." - Rest In Power, PRINCE
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Reply #24 posted 11/14/16 9:12am

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On November 7, 2016 Roc Nation filed a Statement of Unsecured Claim against the Estate.

The statement indicates it is based upon "...contract for services and distribution of intellectual property as modified by subsequent writings, course of dealing between the parties, and oral understandings and agreements..."

It appears there is a dispute between Roc Nation and the Estate as to what the oral agreement was between Prince and JayZ.

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Reply #25 posted 11/14/16 9:37am

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All I know is, if PRINCE music gets taken off Tidal I'm cancelling my subscription because all I ever listened to on Tidal is Prince. rabbit

I agree with this, to a fault. I was none too pleased to start a subscription with Tidal JUST so I could have access to Prince. My whole thing was, "Fuck Jay-Z and how much of a corporate sell-out he's become". I already had a Spotify premium subscription while P's stuff was still on there at the time, and something about Tidal really rubbed me the wrong way. But because of my Prince fandom, I made a decision to get Tidal, and for a while, I really disliked having it. I felt the extra 5 bucks a month was a rip-off. But then I stumbled upon a web page comparing the sound qualities of Spotify and Tidal, and Tidal's sound (for the premium subscription, not the $24.95 hi-fi one) is better by a country mile. If sound quality is something you care at all about, Tidal wins. To my ears, Spotify's quality seems far too compressed to me, whereas with Tidal the music breathes. Tidal also has a lot of cool extras like music videos, and live shows. Give it a chance, I feel it's very much worth it.

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Reply #26 posted 11/14/16 10:12am

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HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

Never, never trust the media.


So true!! Just like Prince used to say don't believe the media ... cool
I am also on the Estates side! I don't trust JayZ and how he conducted business after Prince passed felt wrong. He did not say a kind word just bs re Tidal. I would NEVER join that mess.
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Reply #27 posted 11/14/16 10:30am

26ten

I quickly went to Tidal to buy Exodus and felt like they'd be removed soon a few weeks ago.

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Didn't check again to do so until today. Alas, I was too late.

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Dammit! That teaches *me* to be poor and not able to buy everything all at once! Haha

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Hope the estate makes all these albums available directly soon. I want to support them!

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Reply #28 posted 11/14/16 10:45am

IstenSzek

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26ten said:

I quickly went to Tidal to buy Exodus and felt like they'd be removed soon a few weeks ago.

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Didn't check again to do so until today. Alas, I was too late.

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Dammit! That teaches *me* to be poor and not able to buy everything all at once! Haha

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Hope the estate makes all these albums available directly soon. I want to support them!



this must be a very recent development because i went there yesterday (!)
to purchase a flac version of "Rave In2" and now it's gone from the site eek
shit! i thought i could purchase it this weekend and didn't get my copy bawl

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #29 posted 11/14/16 10:46am

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26ten said:

I quickly went to Tidal to buy Exodus and felt like they'd be removed soon a few weeks ago.

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Didn't check again to do so until today. Alas, I was too late.

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Dammit! That teaches *me* to be poor and not able to buy everything all at once! Haha

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Hope the estate makes all these albums available directly soon. I want to support them!

Are you sure it's gone? Looks to me like the search function just isn't working - nothing I search for pulls up any results.

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