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Reply #60 posted 08/14/16 11:16pm

CTron

sonshine said:

I'm not sure Prince was "sad" but the human beings that we are tend to feel empathetic to others we perceive as being alone. P was at the age you look back and start to question some of the things you did or decisions you made. But I don't think he was sad. He seemed to have plenty of friends and companions to keep him company if that's what he wanted. I think he was more mature and was slowing down due to his age and due to the very real battle he was waging with his opiate issues. The struggle is real, and it is huge. It ages you. It consumes you. I'm sorry he had to go thru that. I wish he could have hung on a bit longer and gotten the help he needed. He was strong and could have beat it. At the very least he deserved the chance. So no I don't think he was sad, I think he was managing pretty damn well considering. He still had plans for the future and so much more to do. He wasn't planning on leaving any time soon. He was always looking forward it seemed to me.

I agree with most of what you have said here. I think Prince was experiencing feelings of melancholy and regret that come with growing older, knowing that there are less days ahead of you than those you've already lived. He hadn't been so kind to some throughout the years and whether that was for artistic integrity, personal differences or a multitude of other reasons, your actions and words toward others do seem to haunt you more as you get older. You can be the best at something, achieve great success, and earn respect and admiration but it doesn't count for much when you're on your death bed. All that really matters is that you loved well and were loved, especially with those you hold close. To me, P held almost everyone at arms length and I think the perceived sadness some could see was related to that - a wish that he had not remained so distant throughout his life

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Reply #61 posted 08/15/16 12:10pm

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Spanky said:

I feel like Prince when he was discussing Chem trails and US Presidents with Tavis Smiley: "Just give us the facts. We'll fill in the blanks." . . Prince, if you were hiding a secret, release it. We, your fans, will understand. You have the most loving fan base and I know we will all be accepting and understanding no matter what the truth is. You were so keen on truth. Why the secrecy? I know those meds weren't for hip pain. Nobody takes fentanol for even the severest arthritis. They just don't. . . We love you, Prince. Release it. Give your fans closure. Your legacy is clearly intact. Nobody is going to duck with that.

I agree with you. I sure hope he never felt like we would love him any less, because we wouldn't.

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Reply #62 posted 08/15/16 7:08pm

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CalhounSq said:

I think the supposed sadness & sickness people see is all hindsight. Show me where someone was concerned/worried/vocal about his health & wellbeing BEFORE April 21 neutral but that's just me smile



Agreed, I can't imagine being so loved, and yet his people ignoring the obvious. And that includes his chef who said clearly that Prince was awfully sick a lot in the last 6 months. When you have watched his career for the last 39 years and see such a drastic change in his appearance, he was clearly not well,in my very humble opinion it didn't come from drugs. I could just scream at those that are crying.
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Reply #63 posted 08/16/16 10:35am

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AnonymousFan said:

CalhounSq said:

I think the supposed sadness & sickness people see is all hindsight. Show me where someone was concerned/worried/vocal about his health & wellbeing BEFORE April 21 neutral but that's just me smile

I complained that he looked sickly and that he looked unhappy all the way back in December, but everybody acted like I was crazy and shouted me down.

I've come here a lot over the years, just to feel a part of things, but I don't post very often (I guess I'm not very vocal) but this struck a chord with me.

I did see it before, I just didn't know what I was seeing. I still don't if i'm honest...self administrered overdose, its like the autopsy is talking about an entirely different person, until you see the description of the male it refers to, but I knew 100% that something wasn't right prior to April 21 be that sadness or illness.

I "found" Prince at the age of 13 and I guess his music has formed a key part of my identity growing up. He's always been there, the soundtrack to most things in my life. There have been periods where I haven't liked some of his work as much, but however much his music changed over the years, what hadn't ever changed (in my eyes at least) was his timelessness. It was weird, he never really seemed to age. He always looked sharp and sexy....he was damn fine! Then in January this year there was the whole fiasco over the UK Piano and a Microphone tour (i'm from Birmingham in the UK). It was announced at very short notice, everyone I knew contacted me in case I hadn't heard, because they knew I would have to be there. With that came numerous Prince related conversations and I remember saying to a friend how it was odd, because i'd only in recent months started to notice that he'd aged. She looked at me like I was a total nut-job and said someting like "yeah well isn't he in his 60's or something?" and I remember saying something along the lines of "well he's 57 actually and yeah I know that he's got older, but I can't explain it, to me he's never ever looked his age, and all of a sudden in the last few months I feel like thats changed. He's started looking older, more frail looking, unwell almost. He's normally so upbeat and flamboyant and I can't put my finger on it but his whole demeanour seems different recently. It just makes me realise he won't be here forever (heaven forbid) so I NEED to be at any and every show he does here." Obviously I can't remember it verbatum but we had a lengthy conversation and they were exactly the thoughts I expressed at the time. Then the UK dates got cancelled.....

The shows didn't get rescheduled, the touts had ruined it all, but i was still popping on here and checking the ticketing websites for any updates, days and weeks pass, and then the news of the plane making the emergency landing. My heart sank because I was almost certain the news would be "Prince is dead". I didn't know what of, I just had this wave of dread come over me based on how i'd been feeling about his appearance in the months prior. My mate messaged me and said "you said you didn't think he looked well" which was not appreciated at the time. But the crisis was over, he was seemingly all good and then April 21 rolled around....

I am here on the other side of the world to Minneapolis. I don't know him, I never met him, (though I firmly believed I would one day! rolleyes). If I could see something was wrong, those closest to him must have known. I can't fathom any of it. It's like a jigsaw puzzle with pieces missing. I know what he died of but it doesn't fit with the person i've followed for the last 26 years. Is there more to it, was there an illness, or was fentanyl addiction really the start and end of it all? Was his change in deameanour (to my eyes) the result of a knowledge that his days were numbered? I don't know and to be honest I don't need to know, I can respect his privacy and i'll eventually find a way of coming to terms with this, but whatever went on, people close to him MUST have known beforehand. With that in mind my only hope is that those that did know went to every length possible to take care of him. Alone....in an elevator for hours.......a week after an apparent near death experience........regrettably these facts don't match up to my hopes for his last days and it just makes my heart so very, very heavy.

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Reply #64 posted 08/16/16 12:05pm

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sag10 said:

CalhounSq said:

I think the supposed sadness & sickness people see is all hindsight. Show me where someone was concerned/worried/vocal about his health & wellbeing BEFORE April 21 neutral but that's just me smile

Agreed, I can't imagine being so loved, and yet his people ignoring the obvious. And that includes his chef who said clearly that Prince was awfully sick a lot in the last 6 months. When you have watched his career for the last 39 years and see such a drastic change in his appearance, he was clearly not well,in my very humble opinion it didn't come from drugs. I could just scream at those that are crying.

It makes me angry when these people who were around Prince on a daily-basis are now just saying something!! Well, it's too late now.......did they even think to say something or help him when he was ALIVE? smh mad

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Reply #65 posted 08/16/16 12:11pm

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Kitten said:

AnonymousFan said:

I complained that he looked sickly and that he looked unhappy all the way back in December, but everybody acted like I was crazy and shouted me down.

I've come here a lot over the years, just to feel a part of things, but I don't post very often (I guess I'm not very vocal) but this struck a chord with me.

I did see it before, I just didn't know what I was seeing. I still don't if i'm honest...self administrered overdose, its like the autopsy is talking about an entirely different person, until you see the description of the male it refers to, but I knew 100% that something wasn't right prior to April 21 be that sadness or illness.

I "found" Prince at the age of 13 and I guess his music has formed a key part of my identity growing up. He's always been there, the soundtrack to most things in my life. There have been periods where I haven't liked some of his work as much, but however much his music changed over the years, what hadn't ever changed (in my eyes at least) was his timelessness. It was weird, he never really seemed to age. He always looked sharp and sexy....he was damn fine! Then in January this year there was the whole fiasco over the UK Piano and a Microphone tour (i'm from Birmingham in the UK). It was announced at very short notice, everyone I knew contacted me in case I hadn't heard, because they knew I would have to be there. With that came numerous Prince related conversations and I remember saying to a friend how it was odd, because i'd only in recent months started to notice that he'd aged. She looked at me like I was a total nut-job and said someting like "yeah well isn't he in his 60's or something?" and I remember saying something along the lines of "well he's 57 actually and yeah I know that he's got older, but I can't explain it, to me he's never ever looked his age, and all of a sudden in the last few months I feel like thats changed. He's started looking older, more frail looking, unwell almost. He's normally so upbeat and flamboyant and I can't put my finger on it but his whole demeanour seems different recently. It just makes me realise he won't be here forever (heaven forbid) so I NEED to be at any and every show he does here." Obviously I can't remember it verbatum but we had a lengthy conversation and they were exactly the thoughts I expressed at the time. Then the UK dates got cancelled.....

The shows didn't get rescheduled, the touts had ruined it all, but i was still popping on here and checking the ticketing websites for any updates, days and weeks pass, and then the news of the plane making the emergency landing. My heart sank because I was almost certain the news would be "Prince is dead". I didn't know what of, I just had this wave of dread come over me based on how i'd been feeling about his appearance in the months prior. My mate messaged me and said "you said you didn't think he looked well" which was not appreciated at the time. But the crisis was over, he was seemingly all good and then April 21 rolled around....

I am here on the other side of the world to Minneapolis. I don't know him, I never met him, (though I firmly believed I would one day! rolleyes). If I could see something was wrong, those closest to him must have known. I can't fathom any of it. It's like a jigsaw puzzle with pieces missing. I know what he died of but it doesn't fit with the person i've followed for the last 26 years. Is there more to it, was there an illness, or was fentanyl addiction really the start and end of it all? Was his change in deameanour (to my eyes) the result of a knowledge that his days were numbered? I don't know and to be honest I don't need to know, I can respect his privacy and i'll eventually find a way of coming to terms with this, but whatever went on, people close to him MUST have known beforehand. With that in mind my only hope is that those that did know went to every length possible to take care of him. Alone....in an elevator for hours.......a week after an apparent near death experience........regrettably these facts don't match up to my hopes for his last days and it just makes my heart so very, very heavy.

Nothing about Prince's death makes any sense. A person who didn't even take an aspirin when he was feeling ill suddenly dies from Fentanyl overdose? I have said this a hundred times, and I will keep saying it and scream it from the mountain tops......I'm not buying it, one bit. His death is very suspicious. From the emergency landing, the drugs found in his system and being found in an elevator.....all the lies by the media. Another thing that pisses me off is why isn't the family suing the media for all the lies they said about Prince. Saying he had AIDS.....that is defamation of character!! A Man has a successful music career than spanned nearly 40-years just suddenly dies from an overdose?!! We never had any knowledge he was using pain meds and neither did people close to him. So, maybe Prince hid it well and fooled us all? I dunno.

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Reply #66 posted 08/16/16 8:05pm

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It doesn't add up at all and I think the family is left with the hard decision to stay silent to protect privacy or speak out in order to try to help others in similar situations. my heart goes out to them. Also because i tried for years to get help for someone close to me. Years ...and I can say that it is virtually impossible to get someone help for mental health and addiction issues in mm. My loved one actually was a professional in medical profession. We went to police, doctors, everyone and unless someone actually harms the self or others you cannot get them help. I can also testify from my experience someone can absolutely bluff many people around them for a long time. If we step back and look from an objective eye, there are many songs, comments that point to issues. Not sure if anyone saw the post put up a few days after 4/21-- then deleted a few hours later, but it was very telliing. Something else really telling in last days was having lucid dreams and talking to dead people. Come on, that's not normal behavior.
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Reply #67 posted 08/17/16 4:19am

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laurasmpls said:

It doesn't add up at all and I think the family is left with the hard decision to stay silent to protect privacy or speak out in order to try to help others in similar situations. my heart goes out to them. Also because i tried for years to get help for someone close to me. Years ...and I can say that it is virtually impossible to get someone help for mental health and addiction issues in mm. My loved one actually was a professional in medical profession. We went to police, doctors, everyone and unless someone actually harms the self or others you cannot get them help. I can also testify from my experience someone can absolutely bluff many people around them for a long time. If we step back and look from an objective eye, there are many songs, comments that point to issues. Not sure if anyone saw the post Jesse Johnson put up a few days after 4/21-- then deleted a few hours later, but it was very telliing. Something else really telling in last days was having lucid dreams and talking to dead people. Come on, that's not normal behavior.

What post was this, please? Thank you!

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Reply #68 posted 08/17/16 4:55am

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No one can make the family release the information, but I think it would be a very, very good idea. It would end the speculation once and for all. Of course, then journos would be digging up his past, looking for additional information. But he is gone. He is not suffering anymore. And he would be the first person to say if his experience could help another person, he would gladly reveal it now. Maybe not when he was alive, but IMO Heaven may give one a different perspective. Please Prince ... let your family know you want the information released.

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Reply #69 posted 08/17/16 5:38am

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So much doesn't make sense still. I know people both addicted to and or dependent upon pain killers. They couldn't do what he did in Atlanta, and they couldn't throw a party that next weekend.

It's simple to see if you just look, that BIG piece of the puzzle just does not fit. I don't know what happened, but something is not revealed to us, and it's something huge.

We are all so full of doody here
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Reply #70 posted 08/17/16 6:18am

jayseajay

cloveringold85 said:

Kitten said:

I've come here a lot over the years, just to feel a part of things, but I don't post very often (I guess I'm not very vocal) but this struck a chord with me.

I did see it before, I just didn't know what I was seeing. I still don't if i'm honest...self administrered overdose, its like the autopsy is talking about an entirely different person, until you see the description of the male it refers to, but I knew 100% that something wasn't right prior to April 21 be that sadness or illness.

I "found" Prince at the age of 13 and I guess his music has formed a key part of my identity growing up. He's always been there, the soundtrack to most things in my life. There have been periods where I haven't liked some of his work as much, but however much his music changed over the years, what hadn't ever changed (in my eyes at least) was his timelessness. It was weird, he never really seemed to age. He always looked sharp and sexy....he was damn fine! Then in January this year there was the whole fiasco over the UK Piano and a Microphone tour (i'm from Birmingham in the UK). It was announced at very short notice, everyone I knew contacted me in case I hadn't heard, because they knew I would have to be there. With that came numerous Prince related conversations and I remember saying to a friend how it was odd, because i'd only in recent months started to notice that he'd aged. She looked at me like I was a total nut-job and said someting like "yeah well isn't he in his 60's or something?" and I remember saying something along the lines of "well he's 57 actually and yeah I know that he's got older, but I can't explain it, to me he's never ever looked his age, and all of a sudden in the last few months I feel like thats changed. He's started looking older, more frail looking, unwell almost. He's normally so upbeat and flamboyant and I can't put my finger on it but his whole demeanour seems different recently. It just makes me realise he won't be here forever (heaven forbid) so I NEED to be at any and every show he does here." Obviously I can't remember it verbatum but we had a lengthy conversation and they were exactly the thoughts I expressed at the time. Then the UK dates got cancelled.....

The shows didn't get rescheduled, the touts had ruined it all, but i was still popping on here and checking the ticketing websites for any updates, days and weeks pass, and then the news of the plane making the emergency landing. My heart sank because I was almost certain the news would be "Prince is dead". I didn't know what of, I just had this wave of dread come over me based on how i'd been feeling about his appearance in the months prior. My mate messaged me and said "you said you didn't think he looked well" which was not appreciated at the time. But the crisis was over, he was seemingly all good and then April 21 rolled around....

I am here on the other side of the world to Minneapolis. I don't know him, I never met him, (though I firmly believed I would one day! rolleyes). If I could see something was wrong, those closest to him must have known. I can't fathom any of it. It's like a jigsaw puzzle with pieces missing. I know what he died of but it doesn't fit with the person i've followed for the last 26 years. Is there more to it, was there an illness, or was fentanyl addiction really the start and end of it all? Was his change in deameanour (to my eyes) the result of a knowledge that his days were numbered? I don't know and to be honest I don't need to know, I can respect his privacy and i'll eventually find a way of coming to terms with this, but whatever went on, people close to him MUST have known beforehand. With that in mind my only hope is that those that did know went to every length possible to take care of him. Alone....in an elevator for hours.......a week after an apparent near death experience........regrettably these facts don't match up to my hopes for his last days and it just makes my heart so very, very heavy.

Nothing about Prince's death makes any sense. A person who didn't even take an aspirin when he was feeling ill suddenly dies from Fentanyl overdose? I have said this a hundred times, and I will keep saying it and scream it from the mountain tops......I'm not buying it, one bit. His death is very suspicious. From the emergency landing, the drugs found in his system and being found in an elevator.....all the lies by the media. Another thing that pisses me off is why isn't the family suing the media for all the lies they said about Prince. Saying he had AIDS.....that is defamation of character!! A Man has a successful music career than spanned nearly 40-years just suddenly dies from an overdose?!! We never had any knowledge he was using pain meds and neither did people close to him. So, maybe Prince hid it well and fooled us all? I dunno.

I know there are lots of pieces of the puzzle missing, and it's really frustrating, but I don't think it's incomprehensible to think he would take pain killers in order to keep performing...performing and making music was everything to him, if he faced a choice between having to stop and taking medication to keep going I have no trouble beleiving he would choose to keep going.

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Reply #71 posted 08/17/16 6:35am

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I'm going to put in my two cents. I'm actually a doctor (pediatrician, but still) and it is totally possible for a person to be addicted to opiates and carry on a normal life. After a certain point, the body becomes totally accustomed to the drug and the drug no longer does anything for the pain - hence you need to take more and more in order to feel better. For someone "opioid naive" these drugs will knock you on your butt, but in those who are used to them, they have minimal effects. The most common side effect is constipation. Opioids also suppress the brain's job to tell us to breathe, and eventually (like in the case of an overdose) we stop breathing.

I love P with all my heart but I say this just to make the point that it is very possible for this to have happened to him. Pain is a horrible, awful thing (physically and mentally) and these drugs can give so much relief. The thing is, they only trick the brain into thinking there is no pain. Eventually the brain wises up and you need more and more drug until you've taken too much. It is such a dangerous problem and unfortunately can happen very easily as these drugs are EXTREMELY addicting. And you can't blame people because all they seek is to not be in pain. It's a horrible thing and so sad. We won't know for sure what was going on with P but I hope that he has found relief and peace now.

jayseajay said:

cloveringold85 said:

Nothing about Prince's death makes any sense. A person who didn't even take an aspirin when he was feeling ill suddenly dies from Fentanyl overdose? I have said this a hundred times, and I will keep saying it and scream it from the mountain tops......I'm not buying it, one bit. His death is very suspicious. From the emergency landing, the drugs found in his system and being found in an elevator.....all the lies by the media. Another thing that pisses me off is why isn't the family suing the media for all the lies they said about Prince. Saying he had AIDS.....that is defamation of character!! A Man has a successful music career than spanned nearly 40-years just suddenly dies from an overdose?!! We never had any knowledge he was using pain meds and neither did people close to him. So, maybe Prince hid it well and fooled us all? I dunno.

I know there are lots of pieces of the puzzle missing, and it's really frustrating, but I don't think it's incomprehensible to think he would take pain killers in order to keep performing...performing and making music was everything to him, if he faced a choice between having to stop and taking medication to keep going I have no trouble beleiving he would choose to keep going.

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Reply #72 posted 08/17/16 6:52am

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1Sasha said:

No one can make the family release the information, but I think it would be a very, very good idea. It would end the speculation once and for all. Of course, then journos would be digging up his past, looking for additional information. But he is gone. He is not suffering anymore. And he would be the first person to say if his experience could help another person, he would gladly reveal it now. Maybe not when he was alive, but IMO Heaven may give one a different perspective. Please Prince ... let your family know you want the information released.


Honestly outside of this website and die hard fans who's really speculating? The media moved on a long time ago. Amongst my friends and family who aren't die hard fans this is never discussed. Sure knowing this stuff might bring 'closure' for some fans but I'd rather not see the wound re-opened and slapped all over magazine covers at the supermarket checkout.
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Reply #73 posted 08/17/16 6:53am

jayseajay

LRCdancer88 said:

I'm going to put in my two cents. I'm actually a doctor (pediatrician, but still) and it is totally possible for a person to be addicted to opiates and carry on a normal life. After a certain point, the body becomes totally accustomed to the drug and the drug no longer does anything for the pain - hence you need to take more and more in order to feel better. For someone "opioid naive" these drugs will knock you on your butt, but in those who are used to them, they have minimal effects. The most common side effect is constipation. Opioids also suppress the brain's job to tell us to breathe, and eventually (like in the case of an overdose) we stop breathing.

I love P with all my heart but I say this just to make the point that it is very possible for this to have happened to him. Pain is a horrible, awful thing (physically and mentally) and these drugs can give so much relief. The thing is, they only trick the brain into thinking there is no pain. Eventually the brain wises up and you need more and more drug until you've taken too much. It is such a dangerous problem and unfortunately can happen very easily as these drugs are EXTREMELY addicting. And you can't blame people because all they seek is to not be in pain. It's a horrible thing and so sad. We won't know for sure what was going on with P but I hope that he has found relief and peace now.

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Reply #74 posted 08/17/16 6:53am

laurasmpls

http://toccalife.com/2016...addiction/

He put this guy's commentary up and added his own comments saying he is in mourning of his friend and trying to figure out why he 'checked out'. He felt sadness, loneliness, two marriages ending and loss of baby.
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Reply #75 posted 08/17/16 7:00am

LuxLove

laurasmpls said:

http://toccalife.com/2016...addiction/ He put this guy's commentary up and added his own comments saying he is in mourning of his friend and trying to figure out why he 'checked out'. He felt sadness, loneliness, two marriages ending and loss of baby.


I'm flummoxed by that completely. eek eek eek

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Reply #76 posted 08/17/16 7:03am

jayseajay

LuxLove said:

laurasmpls said:

http://toccalife.com/2016...addiction/ He put this guy's commentary up and added his own comments saying he is in mourning of his friend and trying to figure out why he 'checked out'. He felt sadness, loneliness, two marriages ending and loss of baby.


I'm flummoxed by that completely. eek eek eek

Me too. I think it's total BS. Prince loved what he did, and it obviously gave him the most incredible amount of joy, and anyone who thinks he was taking drugs from 1984 b/c he felt like there was no point to anything, or he had accomplished his life's mission or wotnot is full of shit.

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Reply #77 posted 08/17/16 7:25am

laurasmpls

I don't think he was saying it as an absolute, just something he was drawn to as he was searching for reasons why.
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Reply #78 posted 08/17/16 12:27pm

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laurasmpls said:

http://toccalife.com/2016...addiction/ He put this guy's commentary up and added his own comments saying he is in mourning of his friend and trying to figure out why he 'checked out'. He felt sadness, loneliness, two marriages ending and loss of baby.

That is one strange article. Sounds like a bunch of BS to me.

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Reply #79 posted 08/17/16 6:01pm

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cloveringold85 said:




Nothing about Prince's death makes any sense. A person who didn't even take an aspirin when he was feeling ill suddenly dies from Fentanyl overdose? I have said this a hundred times, and I will keep saying it and scream it from the mountain tops.....I'm not buying it, one bit. His death is very suspicious. From the emergency landing, the drugs found in his system and being found in an elevator.....all the lies by the media. Another thing that pisses me off is why isn't the family suing the media for all the lies they said about Prince. Saying he had AIDS.....that is defamation of character!! A Man has a successful music career than spanned nearly 40-years just suddenly dies from an overdose?!! We never had any knowledge he was using pain meds and neither did people close to him. So, maybe Prince hid it well and fooled us all? I dunno.



What lies exactly has the media told? Besides those rags like the Enquirer which no one with a brain considers actual real life news. Famous people rarely bother suing those publications because its obvious bs they print.
Like others here my biggest problem with this whole thing has been the circumstances particular to the night he passed. Why was he alone? How did things get to such a point? But my anger has subsided and I don't blame anyone specifically. His passing was not the failure of any one person. Its complicated. There is plenty of blame to go around, including prince himself.
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Reply #80 posted 08/18/16 12:09am

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This is what Hannah Welton wrote in her statement after P's passing: I don think he was sad. Sure those P&M shows were emotional but from the limited video footage I've seen I didn't detect sadness. He looks pretty happy here. [img:$uid]http://i66.tinypic.com/idvrjp.jpg[/img:$uid]

I don't have any way of knowing his emotional state but this picture SCREAMS serious illness and rapid weight loss to me!! If I wasn't looking at this here, I'm not sure I would have recognized him. The first time I saw this picture, it tore my insides up. I wanted to punch whomever was in his inner circle on that day.

I have seen it enough now that I'm not so shocked but, come on, this is emaciated and deathly looking. Maybe it's just my Momma Bear instincts but this just kills me!!! He deserved better. I don't blame anyone really, Judith is so young. I wouldn't have tried to force someone that much older than I to do something when I was her age. Just seeing his face so drawn and his demeanor so subdued (in some pictures) would have set alarms bells ringing if he had been my friend or employer. I know, I know, easy for me to say. Still think I would spoken because I would have been freaked.

He looks very sick in this picture here and its very painful to look at. We may never know, what really happened with him, its all very sad and mysterious. It cannot be, that such an alarming state of his health and body went unnoticed, his very fraiil and thin body, he looks like a shadow of himself. Unless all of his inner circle were blind or mad. Either the rumours are true, and he was really ill with a termial disease, what would explain, why nobody got help for him. Maybe everybody knew, he was very ill and the drug stuff was only a cover-up for the real cause, but even this makes no sense. Why not just say, that he was sick? And why would someone, that was always against drugs, take such powerful opiates, and still continue after he almost died on that plane? Maybe Prince was poisoned, then what stirkes me, is that his downfall in health started, shortly after he got his rights back on the mastertapes, isnt that all very strange? But maybe even this all is only coincidence. Even 2011 until 2014 he still looked strong, young and healthy. Something happened to him, that let him age rapidly within months, loose alot of weight, and led to his untimely death.It makes no sense to me. And why would a man, that looks this frail, sick and serioulsy ill, be left all alone in his house, after almost dying a couple of days before? R.I.P. Prince, you are dearly missed.

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Reply #81 posted 08/18/16 12:59am

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I complained that he looked sickly and that he looked unhappy all the way back in December, but everybody acted like I was crazy and shouted me down.

I've come here a lot over the years, just to feel a part of things, but I don't post very often (I guess I'm not very vocal) but this struck a chord with me.

I did see it before, I just didn't know what I was seeing. I still don't if i'm honest...self administrered overdose, its like the autopsy is talking about an entirely different person, until you see the description of the male it refers to, but I knew 100% that something wasn't right prior to April 21 be that sadness or illness.

I "found" Prince at the age of 13 and I guess his music has formed a key part of my identity growing up. He's always been there, the soundtrack to most things in my life. There have been periods where I haven't liked some of his work as much, but however much his music changed over the years, what hadn't ever changed (in my eyes at least) was his timelessness. It was weird, he never really seemed to age. He always looked sharp and sexy....he was damn fine! Then in January this year there was the whole fiasco over the UK Piano and a Microphone tour (i'm from Birmingham in the UK). It was announced at very short notice, everyone I knew contacted me in case I hadn't heard, because they knew I would have to be there. With that came numerous Prince related conversations and I remember saying to a friend how it was odd, because i'd only in recent months started to notice that he'd aged. She looked at me like I was a total nut-job and said someting like "yeah well isn't he in his 60's or something?" and I remember saying something along the lines of "well he's 57 actually and yeah I know that he's got older, but I can't explain it, to me he's never ever looked his age, and all of a sudden in the last few months I feel like thats changed. He's started looking older, more frail looking, unwell almost. He's normally so upbeat and flamboyant and I can't put my finger on it but his whole demeanour seems different recently. It just makes me realise he won't be here forever (heaven forbid) so I NEED to be at any and every show he does here." Obviously I can't remember it verbatum but we had a lengthy conversation and they were exactly the thoughts I expressed at the time. Then the UK dates got cancelled.....

The shows didn't get rescheduled, the touts had ruined it all, but i was still popping on here and checking the ticketing websites for any updates, days and weeks pass, and then the news of the plane making the emergency landing. My heart sank because I was almost certain the news would be "Prince is dead". I didn't know what of, I just had this wave of dread come over me based on how i'd been feeling about his appearance in the months prior. My mate messaged me and said "you said you didn't think he looked well" which was not appreciated at the time. But the crisis was over, he was seemingly all good and then April 21 rolled around....

I am here on the other side of the world to Minneapolis. I don't know him, I never met him, (though I firmly believed I would one day! rolleyes). If I could see something was wrong, those closest to him must have known. I can't fathom any of it. It's like a jigsaw puzzle with pieces missing. I know what he died of but it doesn't fit with the person i've followed for the last 26 years. Is there more to it, was there an illness, or was fentanyl addiction really the start and end of it all? Was his change in deameanour (to my eyes) the result of a knowledge that his days were numbered? I don't know and to be honest I don't need to know, I can respect his privacy and i'll eventually find a way of coming to terms with this, but whatever went on, people close to him MUST have known beforehand. With that in mind my only hope is that those that did know went to every length possible to take care of him. Alone....in an elevator for hours.......a week after an apparent near death experience........regrettably these facts don't match up to my hopes for his last days and it just makes my heart so very, very heavy.

Intereting post. I can relate to how about how you felt about him. I was not paying attention to what Prince was up in recent years so I didn't notice what you noticed. I had my son last August and was consumed with being a new mom. I didn't even hear about the Moline thing until after his death because I rarely even watched TV or the news. I do remember thinking about him when I heard Vanity died. Prince was the first thing I thought about when I saw it on my Facebook feed. I felt compelled to google Prince's name to find out if he said anything about it, and came across reports of the Melborne show and I remember feeling shocked that he was actually discussing her in such a public fourm. In context, I had the feeling it took him off gaurd and I remember feeling a little worried for his mental/emotional health. I didn't think too much more about it and then April 21st happened and I was floored. Prince's death was a complete and utter shock to me. I wish I would have gone to the PP show on January 21st but I only found out about it maybe a month after it happened from a facebook friend. In retrospect, I wish I had gotten a chance to say goodbye in my own special little way by being in the audience but sadly, you can't anticipate these things sometimes.

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Reply #82 posted 08/18/16 7:19am

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DollyDagger said:

I don't have any way of knowing his emotional state but this picture SCREAMS serious illness and rapid weight loss to me!! If I wasn't looking at this here, I'm not sure I would have recognized him. The first time I saw this picture, it tore my insides up. I wanted to punch whomever was in his inner circle on that day.

I have seen it enough now that I'm not so shocked but, come on, this is emaciated and deathly looking. Maybe it's just my Momma Bear instincts but this just kills me!!! He deserved better. I don't blame anyone really, Judith is so young. I wouldn't have tried to force someone that much older than I to do something when I was her age. Just seeing his face so drawn and his demeanor so subdued (in some pictures) would have set alarms bells ringing if he had been my friend or employer. I know, I know, easy for me to say. Still think I would spoken because I would have been freaked.

He looks very sick in this picture here and its very painful to look at. We may never know, what really happened with him, its all very sad and mysterious. It cannot be, that such an alarming state of his health and body went unnoticed, his very fraiil and thin body, he looks like a shadow of himself. Unless all of his inner circle were blind or mad. Either the rumours are true, and he was really ill with a termial disease, what would explain, why nobody got help for him. Maybe everybody knew, he was very ill and the drug stuff was only a cover-up for the real cause, but even this makes no sense. Why not just say, that he was sick? And why would someone, that was always against drugs, take such powerful opiates, and still continue after he almost died on that plane? Maybe Prince was poisoned, then what stirkes me, is that his downfall in health started, shortly after he got his rights back on the mastertapes, isnt that all very strange? But maybe even this all is only coincidence. Even 2011 until 2014 he still looked strong, young and healthy. Something happened to him, that let him age rapidly within months, loose alot of weight, and led to his untimely death.It makes no sense to me. And why would a man, that looks this frail, sick and serioulsy ill, be left all alone in his house, after almost dying a couple of days before? R.I.P. Prince, you are dearly missed.


He looks fine in this picture to me, don't forget, everyone close to him, Hannah, Damaris, bodyguard, are all on record stating he looked fine up until the very end. These picks people keep referencing are mostly with horrible shadows, etc, they seem to want to pull from these the fact he looked thin (huge afro, loose clothes make anyone look thinner), and that he looked sad (concert shots in shadow while he is performing purple rain).

Perhaps it is a coping mechanism that if Prince knew something beforehand, it just makes it easier for people to handle it all. Well everyone around at the time seems to state otherwise, folks who saw him in real time, not a snapshot. Why take 1 frame in crappy light, or 1 frame where its not a overly flattering pic's word for it over folks that knew him and were around him? Hannah I believe commented on this very pic and stated that she thought Prince looks happy and healthy here, and I agree.


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Reply #83 posted 08/18/16 12:06pm

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I'm going to put in my two cents. I'm actually a doctor (pediatrician, but still) and it is totally possible for a person to be addicted to opiates and carry on a normal life. After a certain point, the body becomes totally accustomed to the drug and the drug no longer does anything for the pain - hence you need to take more and more in order to feel better. For someone "opioid naive" these drugs will knock you on your butt, but in those who are used to them, they have minimal effects. The most common side effect is constipation. Opioids also suppress the brain's job to tell us to breathe, and eventually (like in the case of an overdose) we stop breathing.

I love P with all my heart but I say this just to make the point that it is very possible for this to have happened to him. Pain is a horrible, awful thing (physically and mentally) and these drugs can give so much relief. The thing is, they only trick the brain into thinking there is no pain. Eventually the brain wises up and you need more and more drug until you've taken too much. It is such a dangerous problem and unfortunately can happen very easily as these drugs are EXTREMELY addicting. And you can't blame people because all they seek is to not be in pain. It's a horrible thing and so sad. We won't know for sure what was going on with P but I hope that he has found relief and peace now.

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I know there are lots of pieces of the puzzle missing, and it's really frustrating, but I don't think it's incomprehensible to think he would take pain killers in order to keep performing...performing and making music was everything to him, if he faced a choice between having to stop and taking medication to keep going I have no trouble beleiving he would choose to keep going.

LRC: I agree. It breaks my heart to think that Prince was in so much pain. He was probably trying to "manage" it, and made a mistake. I read that opiods are so easy to overdose on. Just seems like his doctor's weren't monitoring him closely enough; but then again, maybe they tried? It's just heartbreaking to know that he didn't get the help he needed in time. Like you said, all he wanted was to "ease" his pain and that does not make him an addict, in my opinion. I know in my heart that Prince was not ready to leave this earth, but we all have to accept he is gone, somehow. He is in God's loving care now.

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Reply #84 posted 08/18/16 12:11pm

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What lies exactly has the media told? Besides those rags like the Enquirer which no one with a brain considers actual real life news. Famous people rarely bother suing those publications because its obvious bs they print. Like others here my biggest problem with this whole thing has been the circumstances particular to the night he passed. Why was he alone? How did things get to such a point? But my anger has subsided and I don't blame anyone specifically. His passing was not the failure of any one person. Its complicated. There is plenty of blame to go around, including prince himself.

Sonshine: The media doesn't tell lies? It was all over the internet and just about every magazine/newpaper tabloid. And, I'm pretty sure the Enquirer has been sued before by celebrities for false information. It happens all the time.

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Reply #85 posted 08/27/16 11:02pm

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the conspiracy theories are too much. As for him not taking aspirin that is ridiculous. He OD'd once before when he was married to Mayte. MT alluded to his drug addiction on her facebook page back in 2011. He may have started out clean and sober but somewhere along the way he got addicted to opiates. Sucks but that is what happened.

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Reply #86 posted 08/28/16 1:10am

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I wouldn't say he was sad. He was thin... more out of thebox, open and unusual than normal.

Breakdown though, two years ago, when that came out, I did feel a sadness in Prince that had maybe always been there, but he had never so openly expressed it.

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Reply #87 posted 08/28/16 1:53am

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sonshine said:


cloveringold85 said:


What lies exactly has the media told? Besides those rags like the Enquirer which no one with a brain considers actual real life news. Famous people rarely bother suing those publications because its obvious bs they print. Like others here my biggest problem with this whole thing has been the circumstances particular to the night he passed. Why was he alone? How did things get to such a point? But my anger has subsided and I don't blame anyone specifically. His passing was not the failure of any one person. Its complicated. There is plenty of blame to go around, including prince himself.



Sonshine: The media doesn't tell lies? It was all over the internet and just about every magazine/newpaper tabloid. And, I'm pretty sure the Enquirer has been sued before by celebrities for false information. It happens all the time.



What was all over the internet, and magazines and newspapers? That Prince had died? That wasn't a lie. I'm still not sure what lies peoplet are referring to.
All this hashing and re-hashing is only prolonging getting to a place of acceptance about what happened. And moving forward in a positive way to keep Prince's memory alive and give his legacy longevity. We should be united in our support of his friends, family and other loved ones. They knew the man. We didn't. And out of respect for him I don't feel his fans should keep fueling any controversy over his death. He's gone. It was an accident. Nothing else really matters. I hate seeing people continue to dig into his personal life and medical issues. His family absolutely does not owe any of us an explanation. Our relationship with him was the music. That's it. Everyone seems to have forgotten about the music. What do you hope to find out with the constant demands for more information? The news only gets worse each time more is released. I dont need or want to know all the scandalous details. It only makes it harder to enjoy and appreciate his gifts when people insist on making it about more than his art. He doesn't deserve the endless pages of speculation into his private activities. And by his fans no less.
I'm sorry if that doesn't sit right with people here but I had to say it. I'm not looking to get into heated debates with those that don't agree. This is just my opinion. You are entitled to your own
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #88 posted 08/28/16 12:06pm

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This is what Hannah Welton wrote in her statement after P's passing:
We will make sure baby girl knows just how amazing her Uncle Prince was to us, and countless others, and how excited you were for her precious life. From the bottom of my heart...Thank you. 💜💜 Your legacy lives on...
I don think he was sad. Sure those P&M shows were emotional but from the limited video footage I've seen I didn't detect sadness. He looks pretty happy here. [img:$uid]http://i66.tinypic.com/idvrjp.jpg[/img:$uid]



Maybe he was high, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way.
If he was hooked to painkillers, it's probable that withdrawal episodes
took him in very dark places. Hence the ever increasing doses needed.

Denise's passing is probably a factor.
You don't lose the love of your life (even if Susannah and Mayte are also candidates)
without damage. It's classic having one member of a couple dying shortly after the other one has passed.

Being happy on the outside does not mean you're not living hell inside.
That too is a classic, the most brutal example being people that commit suicide without no discernable exterior warning sign whatsoever
for people close to the victim (I'm not suggesting Prince went this path in any way).

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Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
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Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #89 posted 08/28/16 10:51pm

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rogifan said:

This is what Hannah Welton wrote in her statement after P's passing: I don think he was sad. Sure those P&M shows were emotional but from the limited video footage I've seen I didn't detect sadness. He looks pretty happy here. [img:$uid]http://i66.tinypic.com/idvrjp.jpg[/img:$uid]



Maybe he was high, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way.
If he was hooked to painkillers, it's probable that withdrawal episodes
took him in very dark places. Hence the ever increasing doses needed.

Denise's passing is probably a factor.
You don't lose the love of your life (even if Susannah and Mayte are also candidates)
without damage. It's classic having one member of a couple dying shortly after the other one has passed.

Being happy on the outside does not mean you're not living hell inside.
That too is a classic, the most brutal example being people that commit suicide without no discernable exterior warning sign whatsoever
for people close to the victim (I'm not suggesting Prince went this path in any way).


Denise turned herself around long before she died. I believe Prince was so strong in his faith that he would have viewed her passing in celebration, not despair, for he knew she was now with God the father, and surrounded by love. I am sure he was sorry to see her go so soon, that is natural, but he didnt make himself sick over her passing.

Prince has said in two interviews that he will celebrate the day he dies. That alone should put all this Vanity speculation to rest.

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