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pdiddy2011

There might have been a whole lot of us alone

I keep reading from so many orgers that they are upset Prince was left alone.

Prince, like me and many people I have known throughout my life, are simply "no fuss" kind of people. They figure they made it through the rough patch or whatever situation and now they almost demand "don't go out of your way or make a fuss; I'm good." (Not in a bad or mean way, but so you really get the point that they are OK.)

I can absolutely see Prince saying that to his friends/handlers/etc and them going along with it because after all, it's Prince (the larger than life world-conqueror). If he says he's good, he's good.

I absolutely could be wrong, but I hope someone doesn't get scapegoated for leaving Prince alone when it is quite possible Prince demanded that he wanted to be alone.

Don't get me wrong, if someone is really at fault for something, they need to face the music, but let's not lock someone up for following instructions or taking someone at their word. Especially if they aren't trained to know better.

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Reply #1 posted 06/03/16 12:50pm

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I agree and we don't need to knock anyone who may be feeling terrible about what they could of done. As long as there was no ill intention and you did your best all is ok hug

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Reply #2 posted 06/03/16 2:18pm

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Are they upset that he was left alone? I thought they were upset that he was just alone as in he had no wife or kids around him. I think it is better he died alone because if he had had a wife or kids, they would be devastated right about now.

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Reply #3 posted 06/03/16 2:38pm

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pdiddy2011 said:

I keep reading from so many orgers that they are upset Prince was left alone.

Prince, like me and many people I have known throughout my life, are simply "no fuss" kind of people. They figure they made it through the rough patch or whatever situation and now they almost demand "don't go out of your way or make a fuss; I'm good." (Not in a bad or mean way, but so you really get the point that they are OK.)

I can absolutely see Prince saying that to his friends/handlers/etc and them going along with it because after all, it's Prince (the larger than life world-conqueror). If he says he's good, he's good.

I absolutely could be wrong, but I hope someone doesn't get scapegoated for leaving Prince alone when it is quite possible Prince demanded that he wanted to be alone.

Don't get me wrong, if someone is really at fault for something, they need to face the music, but let's not lock someone up for following instructions or taking someone at their word. Especially if they aren't trained to know better.

I think this whole search for justice and "making someone pay" for Prince's death is kinda misguided. I'm not saying his death wasn't tragic and doctors especially should not be liable for malpractice if there was wrongdoing but it just seems like for a lot of fans...a kind of witch hunt to find someone to blame is a response to their grief and some sort of attempt for a sense of control in a weird way...Prince's death is tragic because it didn't have to happen yes but he was an adult and didn't need a babysitter. When God wants to take us he does. I don't mean to sound insensitive, believe me, I am still very much in grief over his death, I guess I just have an additude of acceptance about it and I feel good that Prince lived his life to the fullest every day on earth here, it seemed and feel happy our lifetimes overlaped so I could enjoy what he was put on earth to do. He certainly enriched my life through his music and I refuse to get bogged down in the what ifs and this sense of revenge regarding any mismangement around his chronic pain.

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Reply #4 posted 06/03/16 2:39pm

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I agree with you guys. I think if he said he was good, he didn't need anyone to stay with him. I think most people are upset that he was by himself but hi was a grown man.

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Reply #5 posted 06/03/16 3:31pm

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Exactly. Plus I think he just enjoyed being alone. I could be projecting since I'm like that, but I find that a lot of people really, really don't get those of us who enjoy spending a large amount of time by ourselves. They think we must be secretly really lonely and in denial, but in reality I get exhausted if I'm around people too much. I especially hate being around people if I'm not feeling well. It's not really that unusual, but does seem to be difficult for more sociable people to understand or accept.

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Reply #6 posted 06/03/16 3:42pm

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Arbwyth said:

Exactly. Plus I think he just enjoyed being alone. I could be projecting since I'm like that, but I find that a lot of people really, really don't get those of us who enjoy spending a large amount of time by ourselves. They think we must be secretly really lonely and in denial, but in reality I get exhausted if I'm around people too much. I especially hate being around people if I'm not feeling well. It's not really that unusual, but does seem to be difficult for more sociable people to understand or accept.

Absolutley, I think that is very characteristic of us introverted people. I for sure think Prince was a natural intorvert. Yes he like many introverts enjoy a good party sometimes and being social but we need to be by ourselves to recharge our batteries. I don't think it was incharacteristic of Prince to be by himself a lot...lots of creative types are like that.

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Reply #7 posted 06/03/16 8:23pm

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To be honest I think unless I can't move and I need someone to give me a glass of water or something, I'd rather be alone when I die. It's a pretty intimate moment, I'm not sure I wanna share it with anyone.

What I wish the authorities would reveal is whether it was a sudden death or not, it would of course be horrible if Prince had spent three hours suffocating in an elevator. I hope he just collapsed and lost consciousness immediately.

The idea that he's gone has still a very abstract feel to me, there's a part of me who doesn't truly realize sad

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Reply #8 posted 06/03/16 8:39pm

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It could happen to any of us. We just don't know when and where our time will come. I had a close friend who died suddenly last year alone in her home. It was a huge and unexpected shock to everyone who knew her, just like Prince. She was here one minute and gone the next. I'm still struggling with the loss It seems like she just went away on a trip and will give me a call when she gets back. But this trip is permanent...until I see her on the other side.

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Reply #9 posted 06/03/16 9:33pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

It could happen to any of us. We just don't know when and where our time will come. I had a close friend who died suddenly last year alone in her home. It was a huge and unexpected shock to everyone who knew her, just like Prince. She was here one minute and gone the next. I'm still struggling with the loss It seems like she just went away on a trip and will give me a call when she gets back. But this trip is permanent...until I see her on the other side.

Both death and birth are mysterious things aren't they...I remembering giving birth to my son...it is just so sureal...I'm sure death is very similar...just very out of body moments.....life is an amazing gift and I believe in dharma AND free will....what a fantastic journey life is...

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Reply #10 posted 06/03/16 9:48pm

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The fact that he was alone is the single most heart breaking fact out of this whole situation for me. I understand he very well may have wanted it to be that way, but it just tears me up inside. He brought so much joy and love to my life (and millions of others), it just feels so unfair that he didn't have that joy and love surrounding him when he passed. Again, these are just my feelings and me being selfish but it seems so unfair. I have this vision in my head that plays over and over any time I hear about that damn elevator. I picture him collapsing and panicking, searching for help but not being able to because no one's around. Brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it. I hope he truly truly knew just how much he was loved by us, I hope it somehow comforted him in that moment.

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Reply #11 posted 06/03/16 10:13pm

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Krystalkisses said:

I think this whole search for justice and "making someone pay" for Prince's death is kinda misguided. I'm not saying his death wasn't tragic and doctors especially should not be liable for malpractice if there was wrongdoing but it just seems like for a lot of fans...a kind of witch hunt to find someone to blame is a response to their grief and some sort of attempt for a sense of control in a weird way...Prince's death is tragic because it didn't have to happen yes but he was an adult and didn't need a babysitter. When God wants to take us he does. I don't mean to sound insensitive, believe me, I am still very much in grief over his death, I guess I just have an additude of acceptance about it and I feel good that Prince lived his life to the fullest every day on earth here, it seemed and feel happy our lifetimes overlaped so I could enjoy what he was put on earth to do. He certainly enriched my life through his music and I refuse to get bogged down in the what ifs and this sense of revenge regarding any mismangement around his chronic pain.


Sounds healthy to me and not insensitive at all.

Acceptance, gratitude, realism, groundedness, all by far the more sensitive approaches/attitudes.


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Reply #12 posted 06/03/16 10:19pm

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Eileen said:

Krystalkisses said:

I think this whole search for justice and "making someone pay" for Prince's death is kinda misguided. I'm not saying his death wasn't tragic and doctors especially should not be liable for malpractice if there was wrongdoing but it just seems like for a lot of fans...a kind of witch hunt to find someone to blame is a response to their grief and some sort of attempt for a sense of control in a weird way...Prince's death is tragic because it didn't have to happen yes but he was an adult and didn't need a babysitter. When God wants to take us he does. I don't mean to sound insensitive, believe me, I am still very much in grief over his death, I guess I just have an additude of acceptance about it and I feel good that Prince lived his life to the fullest every day on earth here, it seemed and feel happy our lifetimes overlaped so I could enjoy what he was put on earth to do. He certainly enriched my life through his music and I refuse to get bogged down in the what ifs and this sense of revenge regarding any mismangement around his chronic pain.


Sounds healthy to me and not insensitive at all.

Acceptance, gratitude, realism, groundedness, all by far the more sensitive approaches/attitudes.


Thanks Eileen, ....just wanted to give my 2 cents...smile...I thank God for sending Prince to us "on loan" for even a short time...he touched many lives....smile

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Reply #13 posted 06/04/16 12:01am

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The fact that he was alone is the single most heart breaking fact out of this whole situation for me. I understand he very well may have wanted it to be that way, but it just tears me up inside. He brought so much joy and love to my life (and millions of others), it just feels so unfair that he didn't have that joy and love surrounding him when he passed. Again, these are just my feelings and me being selfish but it seems so unfair. I have this vision in my head that plays over and over any time I hear about that damn elevator. I picture him collapsing and panicking, searching for help but not being able to because no one's around. Brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it. I hope he truly truly knew just how much he was loved by us, I hope it somehow comforted him in that moment.

You know I totally understand Prince's decision because I am very much like him in some very important ways. So, I know why he would have wanted to be alone. A part of me also says that when he OD'd on his previous attempt, it was a conscious decision (to die in the sky among clouds). And when they brought him back to life, they somehow ruined his next journey. So, he sent everyone packing this time so as not to ruin it. And that he deliberately chose the elevator. I feel it in my heart that he was in a lot of pain, not just physically but emotionally and mentally and spiritually. Since his passing, I have dreamt of him thrice. And I have seen him very happy in those dreams.

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Reply #14 posted 06/04/16 12:15am

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Krystalkisses said:



pdiddy2011 said:


I keep reading from so many orgers that they are upset Prince was left alone.



Prince, like me and many people I have known throughout my life, are simply "no fuss" kind of people. They figure they made it through the rough patch or whatever situation and now they almost demand "don't go out of your way or make a fuss; I'm good." (Not in a bad or mean way, but so you really get the point that they are OK.)



I can absolutely see Prince saying that to his friends/handlers/etc and them going along with it because after all, it's Prince (the larger than life world-conqueror). If he says he's good, he's good.



I absolutely could be wrong, but I hope someone doesn't get scapegoated for leaving Prince alone when it is quite possible Prince demanded that he wanted to be alone.



Don't get me wrong, if someone is really at fault for something, they need to face the music, but let's not lock someone up for following instructions or taking someone at their word. Especially if they aren't trained to know better.




I think this whole search for justice and "making someone pay" for Prince's death is kinda misguided. I'm not saying his death wasn't tragic and doctors especially should not be liable for malpractice if there was wrongdoing but it just seems like for a lot of fans...a kind of witch hunt to find someone to blame is a response to their grief and some sort of attempt for a sense of control in a weird way...Prince's death is tragic because it didn't have to happen yes but he was an adult and didn't need a babysitter. When God wants to take us he does. I don't mean to sound insensitive, believe me, I am still very much in grief over his death, I guess I just have an additude of acceptance about it and I feel good that Prince lived his life to the fullest every day on earth here, it seemed and feel happy our lifetimes overlaped so I could enjoy what he was put on earth to do. He certainly enriched my life through his music and I refuse to get bogged down in the what ifs and this sense of revenge regarding any mismangement around his chronic pain.

[Edited 6/3/16 14:40pm]


I agree and believe all the persons involved with this tragedy were all trying to help him. No one needs to be punished. I've gotten over my anger that he was left alone. I still think it was the wrong decision to not monitor someone in his very serious condition, and there are ways it could have been done. No excuses. But there is nothing we could do or say that would make them feel any worse than they already do. Beating them up about it serves no purpose unless it brings him back. Which nothing will. It's hard to accept the sudden loss of such a gifted, beautiful man who had so much life left to live. Yet what other choice is there?
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #15 posted 06/04/16 1:01am

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sonshine said:

Krystalkisses said:

I think this whole search for justice and "making someone pay" for Prince's death is kinda misguided. I'm not saying his death wasn't tragic and doctors especially should not be liable for malpractice if there was wrongdoing but it just seems like for a lot of fans...a kind of witch hunt to find someone to blame is a response to their grief and some sort of attempt for a sense of control in a weird way...Prince's death is tragic because it didn't have to happen yes but he was an adult and didn't need a babysitter. When God wants to take us he does. I don't mean to sound insensitive, believe me, I am still very much in grief over his death, I guess I just have an additude of acceptance about it and I feel good that Prince lived his life to the fullest every day on earth here, it seemed and feel happy our lifetimes overlaped so I could enjoy what he was put on earth to do. He certainly enriched my life through his music and I refuse to get bogged down in the what ifs and this sense of revenge regarding any mismangement around his chronic pain.

[Edited 6/3/16 14:40pm]

I agree and believe all the persons involved with this tragedy were all trying to help him. No one needs to be punished. I've gotten over my anger that he was left alone. I still think it was the wrong decision to not monitor someone in his very serious condition, and there are ways it could have been done. No excuses. But there is nothing we could do or say that would make them feel any worse than they already do. Beating them up about it serves no purpose unless it brings him back. Which nothing will. It's hard to accept the sudden loss of such a gifted, beautiful man who had so much life left to live. Yet what other choice is there?

I agree too. Prince was a proud and private person, and probably extended this particularly when it came to illness. If he'd had a wife and kids, I don't know, maybe his health wouldn't have reached such a state if he'd had close ones around him..friends aren't always the same as family. But it is what it is, and whilst it's often natural to look for someone to blame, it's not a route I've chosen to go down. It makes me very sad that a man who was so deeply loved all around the world ended life alone, but he did have a solitary side and was probably just dealing with everything in the only way he knew. Given the events on the plane the week before, I do wonder if he chose to end his own life, but if he did that was his decision to make and I respect that, terrible as it might be. He retained a level of mystery to the end of his days, probably he wouldn't want us know how and why he died. I'm certain he'd rather we celebrated his life. "Better that you forget and smile, than that you remember and be sad" as it says in the poem by Christina Rossetti.

[Edited 6/4/16 1:04am]

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Reply #16 posted 06/04/16 4:48am

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I keep reading from so many orgers that they are upset Prince was left alone.

Prince, like me and many people I have known throughout my life, are simply "no fuss" kind of people. They figure they made it through the rough patch or whatever situation and now they almost demand "don't go out of your way or make a fuss; I'm good." (Not in a bad or mean way, but so you really get the point that they are OK.)

I can absolutely see Prince saying that to his friends/handlers/etc and them going along with it because after all, it's Prince (the larger than life world-conqueror). If he says he's good, he's good.

I absolutely could be wrong, but I hope someone doesn't get scapegoated for leaving Prince alone when it is quite possible Prince demanded that he wanted to be alone.

Don't get me wrong, if someone is really at fault for something, they need to face the music, but let's not lock someone up for following instructions or taking someone at their word. Especially if they aren't trained to know better.

Scapegoated my azz. Prince was too sick to make rational decisions. Dude had just OD'd a few days earlier. You don't give him drugs then leave him to fend for himself, no matter what he says. Prince was impossibly frail. Whoever left him alone, and we know some possible culprits, acted irresponsibly.

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Reply #17 posted 06/04/16 6:12am

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To be honest I think unless I can't move and I need someone to give me a glass of water or something, I'd rather be alone when I die. It's a pretty intimate moment, I'm not sure I wanna share it with anyone.

If it's any consolation, I heard once that even in hospital people do tend to die alone, ie when there's no one in the room with them.

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Reply #18 posted 06/04/16 7:03am

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databank said:

To be honest I think unless I can't move and I need someone to give me a glass of water or something, I'd rather be alone when I die. It's a pretty intimate moment, I'm not sure I wanna share it with anyone.

If it's any consolation, I heard once that even in hospital people do tend to die alone, ie when there's no one in the room with them.

I've been told by hospital and nursing home staff that some people wait until all their visitors are gone and then slip away. It can be distressing for family and friends who have hung around for days and nights because they didn't want their loved one to die alone, but that was actually the individual's wish.

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Reply #19 posted 06/04/16 7:21am

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I'd wanna die alone when the time comes.

Certainly don't want people around when I'm unwell in any way.

Whether or not Prince should have been left alone? I just don't know. It depends for me on the big picture that we don't have. Terminal illness or unbearable pain would for instance change the situation very much in my view.

Bottom line is that he was alone, wanted it that way or there would have been others there for sure. He had people on payroll after all.

I know about addiction and what it does to a person's judgement. But it was his life and his choice to make, and he won't come back no matter who is blamed.
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Reply #20 posted 06/04/16 7:22am

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Krystalkisses said:

Arbwyth said:

Exactly. Plus I think he just enjoyed being alone. I could be projecting since I'm like that, but I find that a lot of people really, really don't get those of us who enjoy spending a large amount of time by ourselves. They think we must be secretly really lonely and in denial, but in reality I get exhausted if I'm around people too much. I especially hate being around people if I'm not feeling well. It's not really that unusual, but does seem to be difficult for more sociable people to understand or accept.

Absolutley, I think that is very characteristic of us introverted people. I for sure think Prince was a natural intorvert. Yes he like many introverts enjoy a good party sometimes and being social but we need to be by ourselves to recharge our batteries. I don't think it was incharacteristic of Prince to be by himself a lot...lots of creative types are like that.

More proof that people just don't understand introverts. We live in a society that only seems to praise the extrovert. And if you are alone from time to time, or keep your thoughts to yourself, people call you eccentric and wierd. Personally I can't stand extoverts. But that may be because I'm a proud introvert. I'm trying to imagine what it was like for Prince to be thrust into superstardom at such a young age, and as an introvert.

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