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jpav

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Prince's Death isn't "Fishy".

I've seen so many conspiracy theories here, so many people implying some hidden mystery, often alluding to something being "fishy", even with the coroner's report.

Prince's death was so many things: tragic, frustrating, sad, shocking, infuriating, but it isn't fishy.

He had years of chronic pain, became addicted to painkillers, was surrounded by yes men who enabled him, didn't believe he would die, and didn't stay in the hospital when he should have. He was alone most of the time and was alone when he died.

It's bad enough that we lost him. It magnifies the tragedy when people can't just allow reality to be what it is and not create a mystery that isn't there.

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Reply #1 posted 06/02/16 7:15pm

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Thank you for saying these words jpav. I totally agree.

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Reply #2 posted 06/02/16 7:16pm

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jpav said:

I've seen so many conspiracy theories here, so many people implying some hidden mystery, often alluding to something being "fishy", even with the coroner's report.

Prince's death was so many things: tragic, frustrating, sad, shocking, infuriating, but it isn't fishy.

He had years of chronic pain, became addicted to painkillers, was surrounded by yes men who enabled him, didn't believe he would die, and didn't stay in the hospital when he should have. He was alone most of the time and was alone when he died.

It's bad enough that we lost him. It magnifies the tragedy when people can't just allow reality to be what it is and not create a mystery that isn't there.

^^^this

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Reply #3 posted 06/02/16 7:18pm

Purpleone4Eva

jpav said:

I've seen so many conspiracy theories here, so many people implying some hidden mystery, often alluding to something being "fishy", even with the coroner's report.

Prince's death was so many things: tragic, frustrating, sad, shocking, infuriating, but it isn't fishy.

He had years of chronic pain, became addicted to painkillers, was surrounded by yes men who enabled him, didn't believe he would die, and didn't stay in the hospital when he should have. He was alone most of the time and was alone when he died.

It's bad enough that we lost him. It magnifies the tragedy when people can't just allow reality to be what it is and not create a mystery that isn't there.

Yes. Exactly.

It sucks that he was mortal after all, but this goes to show that this can happen to anyone.

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Reply #4 posted 06/02/16 7:20pm

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Yes, jpav, thank you! I agree with everything you said. I also don't think that he was taking pain meds for a terminal illness because I don't think he had one. However, pain meds for hip pain etc from performing, yes, I can see him taking them and becoming dependent on them.



[Edited 6/2/16 20:42pm]

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Reply #5 posted 06/02/16 7:28pm

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None of knows what really happened, so none of us can speak on it as fact. People cared about Prince, and are just trying to understand what happened to him, and why he died, and they have a right to inquire and talk about it if they want to. This man was a part of people's lives for years, and to have him die suddenly was traumatic, and if they want to find out why, so be it.

[Edited 6/2/16 19:29pm]

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Reply #6 posted 06/02/16 7:32pm

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jpav said:

I've seen so many conspiracy theories here, so many people implying some hidden mystery, often alluding to something being "fishy", even with the coroner's report.

Prince's death was so many things: tragic, frustrating, sad, shocking, infuriating, but it isn't fishy.

He had years of chronic pain, became addicted to painkillers, was surrounded by yes men who enabled him, didn't believe he would die, and didn't stay in the hospital when he should have. He was alone most of the time and was alone when he died.

It's bad enough that we lost him. It magnifies the tragedy when people can't just allow reality to be what it is and not create a mystery that isn't there.


Just looking to make sense of this tragedy we loved him so much we wish we could have taken his pain away x
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Reply #7 posted 06/02/16 8:26pm

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1contessa said:

None of knows what really happened, so none of us can speak on it as fact. People cared about Prince, and are just trying to understand what happened to him, and why he died, and they have a right to inquire and talk about it if they want to. This man was a part of people's lives for years, and to have him die suddenly was traumatic, and if they want to find out why, so be it.

[Edited 6/2/16 19:29pm]

We have found out why as of today. Quite definitively. Turns out it wasn't the Illuminati and/or Warner Brothers after all.

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Reply #8 posted 06/02/16 8:38pm

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I definitely agree with you, jpav.
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Reply #9 posted 06/02/16 8:43pm

MIInsane

1contessa said:

None of knows what really happened, so none of us can speak on it as fact. People cared about Prince, and are just trying to understand what happened to him, and why he died, and they have a right to inquire and talk about it if they want to. This man was a part of people's lives for years, and to have him die suddenly was traumatic, and if they want to find out why, so be it.

[Edited 6/2/16 19:29pm]

We know what happened. The man took too many opiates and his body gave out. That is it. End of story. Sad but true.

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Reply #10 posted 06/02/16 9:41pm

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Exactly right, Jpav.

You know, there's a difference between wanting to know the truth, and being in complete denial even when faced with the facts. All of this "He was murdered", "WB Killed him for his master tapes", and even "He faked his death" bullshit makes me sick. The man is gone. Let him rest in peace. It's over. You can mourn him, you can miss him, you can Wish he was still with us, but in the end, he was just a human, like the rest of us. Don't try to make it something that it's not.

MIInsane said:

We know what happened. The man took too many opiates and his body gave out. That is it. End of story. Sad but true.

Exactly. Hard pill for us to swallow, but there it is. It bugs me when people insist on everything being some big conspiracy. Some things that happen in the world are more than they appear to be - we still don't know the truth about Kennedy's assassination, for example - but sometimes, things are simpler than that. It's better to just let it be what it is. None of us, NONE OF US wanted it this way. We all hoped he would outlive us all. Now, it's his legacy that we should be worrying about.

[Edited 6/2/16 21:46pm]

Keep your headphones on.
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Reply #11 posted 06/02/16 9:57pm

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smokeverbs said:

Exactly right, Jpav.



You know, there's a difference between wanting to know the truth, and being in complete denial even when faced with the facts. All of this "He was murdered", "WB Killed him for his master tapes", and even "He faked his death" bullshit makes me sick. The man is gone. Let him rest in peace. It's over. You can mourn him, you can miss him, you can Wish he was still with us, but in the end, he was just a human, like the rest of us. Don't try to make it something that it's not.



Agreed.

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Reply #12 posted 06/02/16 10:19pm

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MIInsane said:



1contessa said:


None of knows what really happened, so none of us can speak on it as fact. People cared about Prince, and are just trying to understand what happened to him, and why he died, and they have a right to inquire and talk about it if they want to. This man was a part of people's lives for years, and to have him die suddenly was traumatic, and if they want to find out why, so be it.


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We know what happened. The man took too many opiates and his body gave out. That is it. End of story. Sad but true.



We all knew he OD, but I guess what I still question is whether he was taking such strong painkillers because of chronic joint pain or because he was terminally ill. The autopsy report will answer those questions. This was just the death certificate. If he died because of chronic and severe joint pain then that is really a shame. There are solutions to this issue. He could've retired from touring and kept recording and/or had the hip replacement he needed.
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Reply #13 posted 06/03/16 1:33am

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It's really not uncommon anymore for people in Prince's age group to become addicted to painkillers. His talent, his personality were larger than life but he was still very much living. If he had the right people around him, he may have gotten help before it became too late. But I think his death will be the turning point and will help a lot of people. We're in the middle of a horrible opioid epidemic and what happened to him might help stop it.

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Reply #14 posted 06/03/16 1:40am

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Illuminati confirmed.

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Reply #15 posted 06/03/16 2:21am

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I'm sorry but there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that are missing...so I'm saying it is fishy.
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Reply #16 posted 06/03/16 4:41am

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Depends on your definition of "Conspiracy". Some people choose to see the probability of "underlying" vs. "immediate" cause as a conspiracy.



Immediate cause (aka how):

self-administered Fentanyl overdose



Possible underlying causes (aka why):

Addiction

Cancer

AIDS

Deep Depression (possibly compounded by one of the above. Not everyone who chooses to move on leaves a dramatic letter of explanation).


I leave "chronic pain" out of the underlying because Fentanyl is said to be intended for terminal patients. Not your every day pain management med.




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Reply #17 posted 06/03/16 5:33am

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jpav said:

I've seen so many conspiracy theories here, so many people implying some hidden mystery, often alluding to something being "fishy", even with the coroner's report.

Prince's death was so many things: tragic, frustrating, sad, shocking, infuriating, but it isn't fishy.

He had years of chronic pain, became addicted to painkillers, was surrounded by yes men who enabled him, didn't believe he would die, and didn't stay in the hospital when he should have. He was alone most of the time and was alone when he died.

It's bad enough that we lost him. It magnifies the tragedy when people can't just allow reality to be what it is and not create a mystery that isn't there.

No, it does not.

You do not know the reality. None of us do. We know what we have been told.

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Reply #18 posted 06/03/16 5:39am

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nursev said:

I'm sorry but there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that are missing...so I'm saying it is fishy.


Exactly! I've personally known people that got high off heroin and that shit is no joke, so if fentanyl is supposedly 50 times stronger than heroin, and the day he died wasn't the first time he'd taken it, how in the fuck was he functioning and how in the fuck did the people closest to him not know he was high as all hell? I'm saying it's fishy too.

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #19 posted 06/03/16 10:22am

Purplealegria7

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



nursev said:


I'm sorry but there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that are missing...so I'm saying it is fishy.


Exactly! I've personally known people that got high off heroin and that shit is no joke, so if fentanyl is supposedly 50 times stronger than heroin, and the day he died wasn't the first time he'd taken it, how in the fuck was he functioning and how in the fuck did the people closest to him not know he was high as all hell? I'm saying it's fishy too.




Me three!! I'm sorry, it's fishy. We only know what we are being told, and it does not add up. Something in the water DOES NOT compute....
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Reply #20 posted 06/03/16 10:28am

1contessa

nursev said:

I'm sorry but there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that are missing...so I'm saying it is fishy.

I agree.

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Reply #21 posted 06/03/16 10:42am

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nursev said:

I'm sorry but there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that are missing...so I'm saying it is fishy.

Still with you on this!
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Reply #22 posted 06/03/16 10:45am

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It's not fishy at all. It was an overdose, and how accidental could it be since it happened a few days prior? Everything from the time Princes plane landed is CRAZY. Not normal. A collision course with death. We ALL felt that horrible feeling in the pit of our stomachs.

As much as I dont want to think it, Princes penchant for privacy may be the indicator of long term usage of a variety of particularly performance enhancement drugs - speed, for one.

the black beautiesthe dealer mentioned in that article were rampnat in the 80s - they were everywhere...especially in celebrity culture, they made you more productive, you didnt need to eat, kept you skinny and you didnt need to sleep.

He was adept at saying one thing and doing another - and coincidentally - addictive personalities are like that too.

I believe the pain management became an issue later on, but touring and doing aftershows? Speed, almost certainly.





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Reply #23 posted 06/03/16 10:51am

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1contessa said:

None of knows what really happened, so none of us can speak on it as fact. People cared about Prince, and are just trying to understand what happened to him, and why he died, and they have a right to inquire and talk about it if they want to. This man was a part of people's lives for years, and to have him die suddenly was traumatic, and if they want to find out why, so be it.

[Edited 6/2/16 19:29pm]

I agree with you.

Prince was so many things to so many people and his fans are just trying to understand and come to terms with this tragedy. And just because we know now WHAT caused his death, we still don’t know WHY. We still don’t know the circumstances surrounding it or what exactly triggered the unfortunate chain of events that could have initially started years ago.

Of course, you’ll have some know-it-alls who feel they are qualified to tell everyone else on the planet that this was a simple case of someone addicted to drugs. But I think most of us believe that it was so much more than that.

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Reply #24 posted 06/03/16 10:51am

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Absolutely. This is about as cut and dry as it gets. Any discussion to the contrary is ridiculous. Take off the tin foil hats and lets come to terms with this as a fans of Prince and his music. Its not easy, because one of the toughest things to swallow is that Prince's death could have been avoided. The report made things crystal clear.

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Reply #25 posted 06/03/16 10:59am

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I'm sorry but there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that are missing...so I'm saying it is fishy.

I am not being disrespectful, just merely asking what is fishy? Obviously we only know what we have been told, but that is true of everything in life.

My heart is broken by his passing, I thought a gift like his should be on earth forever. (Well, his music will be, but I mean him in physical form.) My heart sinks at the thought that he just couldn't take the pain anymore. It especially upsets me because he came so close to death days before and still chose to self-medicate. Given that, it points more to me that it could have been intentional, which I hate the thought of. (Not saying it was intentional, just that I am not ruling it out even though the report states otherwise.)

But all these things are just a sign of humanness, which I am guilty of thinking he was 'more than human' in a sense. In reality, we all come in to and exit the world the same way, as humans. We all fall victim to suffering, to pain, to illness. So when someone dies of an accidental overdose, when the same thing happened just days before, why is it fishy? I am assuming that if he had been alone on that plane, he would have died then. If what they are saying is true, his self-medicating got out of control. If it isn't true, then I am guessing we will never know and our wheels will just keep spinning. Please understand, I am not arguing, I am just trying to understand.

In the end, I just wish he wasn't suffering period. I wish he didn't have enablers. I wish he didn't have pain. I wish he felt safe enough to get the help he needed. I wish he was still here. But none of that is possible so for me, I have to just appreciate what he left behind because (for me), to do otherwise is heartbreaking.

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I'm not at all into conspiracy theory so no, I don't think he was murdered by anyone. But I'm convinced there is more to this than what we've been told in the public report from the ME...and rest assured, we are only hearing what the family wants us to hear and that may not be the only medical issue he had. I don't dispute that there was an overdose, I don't dispute that he may have been using opioids for pain issues, but I don't believe he was an abuser for one minute. There was more going on. I do believe he was terminally ill and I also believe that people close to him did know this. We'll just have to wait and see if anything more comes out.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #27 posted 06/03/16 11:32am

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jpav said:

I've seen so many conspiracy theories here, so many people implying some hidden mystery, often alluding to something being "fishy", even with the coroner's report.

Prince's death was so many things: tragic, frustrating, sad, shocking, infuriating, but it isn't fishy.

He had years of chronic pain, became addicted to painkillers, was surrounded by yes men who enabled him, didn't believe he would die, and didn't stay in the hospital when he should have. He was alone most of the time and was alone when he died.

It's bad enough that we lost him. It magnifies the tragedy when people can't just allow reality to be what it is and not create a mystery that isn't there.

I don't know how many of his staff knew there was problem until it was too late. That one photograher said PP had a high turnover rate because Prince could be very demanding and difficult. I've read there were only two full time employees at PP, Prince's personal assistant and a maintenance man. Everyone else was on a contract basis. Even though he maintained friendships, he seemed to keep them at bay. I don't know how many people had a chance to become personally involved with Prince.

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steakfinger said:



1contessa said:


None of knows what really happened, so none of us can speak on it as fact. People cared about Prince, and are just trying to understand what happened to him, and why he died, and they have a right to inquire and talk about it if they want to. This man was a part of people's lives for years, and to have him die suddenly was traumatic, and if they want to find out why, so be it.


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We have found out why as of today. Quite definitively. Turns out it wasn't the Illuminati and/or Warner Brothers after all.




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Reply #29 posted 06/03/16 11:42am

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DarkKnight1 said:

Absolutely. This is about as cut and dry as it gets. Any discussion to the contrary is ridiculous. Take off the tin foil hats and lets come to terms with this as a fans of Prince and his music. Its not easy, because one of the toughest things to swallow is that Prince's death could have been avoided. The report made things crystal clear.





THIS. THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.


There's nothing "fishy" about his death. Yes, there are unknowns involved, questions that haven't been answered. But all the posts here talking about this or that conspiracy are just fucking ridiculous.
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