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Reply #150 posted 06/02/16 2:33pm

simm0061

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leecaldon said:

nursev said:
Regardless of BMI 112 is thin.
It's not a like-for-comparison but an ex-girlfriend was 5'3" and weighed 112. She's slim, in good shape and has curves - in no way underweight.

Men have about 50% more muscle mass than women...so that is like your gf weighing 60 or 70lbs.

112 looked very thin on Prince. I think he was usually around 10-20lbs heavier - again muscle weighs a lot.

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Reply #151 posted 06/02/16 2:38pm

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simm0061 said:

My sister works in a MN hospital and says she's never seen that prescribed. It is usually administered at the hospital, usually when someone is terminal. She said it is used for "conscious sedation" in hospitals. And a pain specialist would only prescribe that if the paitent was terminal...and even then, not likely.

Some one is probably going to go to jail on this one. Probably why that MN Dr was fired...

I know many people who go to pain management And are prescribes Fentanyl patches plus Pills My 83 yr old ex mother in law is one of them . Its used alot for severe chronic pain .

I doubt it is prescibed often to non-terminal patients. But there are a lot of sh*tty drs out there I suppose...

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Reply #152 posted 06/02/16 2:38pm

jesme1999

nursev said:

purplethunder3121 said:



nursev said:


I think he was by himself and applied more than he was supposed to...I'm not gonna say he chewed them.

In this instance, you know way more about this sort of thing than most of us do...probably more than you want to know. I never heard of Fentanyl (spelling?) before today... sad All I know is that I was prescribed Percocet (which the tabloids claimed he was using) after major surgery and I took them for a few days, couldn't stand the side effects, and flushed them down the toilet.



Fentanyl is a narcotic, it is controlled and counted by nurses due to it being highly abused. One patch is strong enough to last for days. I've only seen it prescribed for chronic pain, cancer, etc issues where a patient can't get proper pain relief from other medications. As a nurse there is no way in hell Im giving Fentanyl and Percocet together...recipe for disaster.


Totally agree and yet money hungry pain management
Doctors do it all the time i was floored
When my 83 yr old mother in law was prescribed
The patches and norco
Even more floored that my ex hubs was
Getting them from her and Cutting them open and eating the gel .
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Reply #153 posted 06/02/16 2:38pm

Rebeljuice

So that's that then...
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Reply #154 posted 06/02/16 2:38pm

onelap

So sad right now don't feel it matters how he died I just wish he was still with us.

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Reply #155 posted 06/02/16 2:39pm

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1contessa said:



luv4u said:




jonnylawson said:


LOCK THIS THREAD this is so disrespectful Discussing His royal badness autopsy ....what the fuck ? Are we considering this "normal " to discuss such a intensely private subject You have the result - leave it at that and give P the privacy in death he so craved in life



We are all looking for answers and closure.



I agree, and so far this report has left me with more questions than answers.



jonnylawson:
Chronic pain is a VERY important issue that needs to be discussed! You obviously do not understand the absolute desperation one feels when they have long-term chronic pain.

If you don't want to read about this, then leave this thread!! WHY get on here and criticize others' way of processing this?!?
[Edited 6/2/16 13:39pm]

Give me a break! Discussing what he was wearing and how much he weighed etc is just weird. And I work with Healthcare providers every day so I know how important the opioid abuse epidemic issue is. I support any and all efforts to fix the problem. Let's focus on that.
For all those still thinking there was more to what caused his death should rest assured he didn't have cancer or aids or whatever. He died of drug toxicity. They would have included any other conditions that contributed to his death. The law enforcement investigation will have more of the why's and how's that led to prince's death.
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Reply #156 posted 06/02/16 2:40pm

mont0372

jesme1999 said:

simm0061 said:

My sister works in a MN hospital and says she's never seen that prescribed. It is usually administered at the hospital, usually when someone is terminal. She said it is used for "conscious sedation" in hospitals. And a pain specialist would only prescribe that if the paitent was terminal...and even then, not likely.

Some one is probably going to go to jail on this one. Probably why that MN Dr was fired...

I know many people who go to pain management And are prescribes Fentanyl patches plus Pills My 83 yr old ex mother in law is one of them . Its used alot for severe chronic pain .

From my understanding, Prince didn't have a Fentanyl patch, he injected it. I don't think it's normal for a patient to inject. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Reply #157 posted 06/02/16 2:42pm

DMarieP

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Dolphinking23 said:


OK. Didnt the rehab doctor's son who came to see Prince at Paisley Park had a bag of this same drug?



No, he was carrying Suboxone.



I pray that his mind and soul is at peace and no longer bound to any chains. The cost of his tremendous gift was big and I am so grateful to have been on the ride with him. I don't believe in coincidences, and rainbows don't just appear over PP, so I chose to believe he has already told the world he is at rest.


I agree. Many people don't realize the cost of his gift to us. In the physical sense, jumping off risers - in heels - splits and heavy duty dancing takes an enormous toll. I can't imagine the constant pain he was in. It makes me so very sad. His spirit is flying high now.
He's not here, but still very near

From the first moment I saw U
I knew U were The One
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Reply #158 posted 06/02/16 2:42pm

RiotPaisley

limoncello said:

Two weeks earlier, in his hometown newspaper:


http://www.startribune.com/officials-sound-the-alarm-over-deadly-synthetic-fentanyl-in-minnesota/374352711/



Preliminary tests by federal investigators have confirmed fears that a deadly synthetic drug nearly 50 times stronger than heroin has arrived in the Upper Midwest — often with fatal consequences for users.


Narcotics seized after a series of overdose deaths last month in the Fargo-Moorhead area — first thought to be heroin — instead turned out to be nearly all fentanyl, federal authorities say. It’s the second time in a decade that synthetic opioids like fentanyl, ordinarily used in medical settings to treat severe pain, have emerged from clandestine drug labs to sweep across the United States.


Now law enforcement and health care officials worry that synthetic versions of fentanyl, which can be added to heroin to boost its potency or passed off as high-strength heroin to unwitting addicts, will inflict a new round of deaths among both longtime addicts and younger users drawn into the opioid epidemic in recent years. Reports of fentanyl use cropped up in other parts of the country last year, but until recently it hadn’t been reported in Minnesota, where the Twin Cities is considered a transshipment point for narcotics.


“I think we’re in the storm now,” said Kent Bailey, assistant special agent in charge at the Minneapolis office of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.




Wow. I know heroin addicts who were injecting the gel which is crazy dangerous for many reasons. Just goes to show how powerful narcotics are.

The Midwest is getting slammed with this stuff. In my county, last year- for the first time ever, more people died from Opiod overdose than car accidents.
Surprise, surprise.
Another treat. Another trick.
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Reply #159 posted 06/02/16 2:43pm

Genesia

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Fury said:

The clothing description matches the picture that TMZ was pushing. Prince didn't strike me as the type to walk around the house in all black basic clothing neutral


What else would you expect him to be wearing in his own home at 3:00 in the morning? Gold lamé and 4-inch heels?

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Reply #160 posted 06/02/16 2:43pm

jesme1999

nursev said:

jesme1999 said:




I know many people who go to pain management
And are prescribes Fentanyl patches plus
Pills
My 83 yr old ex mother in law is one of them .
Its used alot for severe chronic pain .


true a lot of clients have both, but I'm not administering them together.



Dont blame you one bit !
Its crazy !
My ex brother in law had both ... OD'd
Had to be life lifted to the hospital
And OD'd on them again two weeks later
Again he survived and no dr would write
Him his script ...
He just got out of rehab for heroin
I dont get it !
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Reply #161 posted 06/02/16 2:44pm

PeteSilas

1contessa said:

laurarichardson said:

1contessa said: ---- Are people with AIDS traveling internationally, playing 2 -4 hour concerts, going to jazz shows and riding around on bikes? I am not saying it is not possible but you do realize are hard that is to believe? You also have disclose that you have Hiv or AIDS to your partners. How would he have kept that quiet.

Do you honestly think that everyone who has HIV or AIDS disclose it to their partners or people they just hook up with? That's very naive.

ya, even if they are required by law, they don't. Arthur Ashe, a good man by all accounts, lied about it to get into Africa. People are people and are ultimately about their own self-preservation.

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Reply #162 posted 06/02/16 2:44pm

nursev

mont0372 said:



jesme1999 said:


simm0061 said:

My sister works in a MN hospital and says she's never seen that prescribed. It is usually administered at the hospital, usually when someone is terminal. She said it is used for "conscious sedation" in hospitals. And a pain specialist would only prescribe that if the paitent was terminal...and even then, not likely.


Some one is probably going to go to jail on this one. Probably why that MN Dr was fired...



I know many people who go to pain management And are prescribes Fentanyl patches plus Pills My 83 yr old ex mother in law is one of them . Its used alot for severe chronic pain .

From my understanding, Prince didn't have a Fentanyl patch, he injected it. I don't think it's normal for a patient to inject. Correct me if I'm wrong.




wow...never seen this in 20 yrs as a nurse. Any time your injecting anything into your body there is no room for error...quick way to die.
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Reply #163 posted 06/02/16 2:45pm

purplepoppy

Try as we might, we can't stop someone from their own death time any more than their birth time.

Agree that there was a wake up call the week before that did not get heeded, probably for many reasons.

There is a vertical and horizontal scar on his side and thigh visible in his 20's. Maybe an old injury or ?, may never know. Along with everything else, Prince was an athlete in sports and onstage and even without heels athletes have injuries.

Doesn't change our LOVE 4 HIM one bit as many others have said. heart heart heart heart heart

Brand new boogie without the hero.
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Reply #164 posted 06/02/16 2:46pm

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laurarichardson said:

1contessa said:



FUNKNROLL said:


Reading the ME report's policy at top - they will only disclose the exact manner and cause of death. Under MN law, other health details are never made public - for anybody.



So he may have been struggling with deep depression, sick with flu, cancer, or AIDS. But the exact precise medical cause of his death was self administered Fentanyl. We know how... but not why.



IMO, when people suffer from depression, flu, cancer, etc, they don't hide it, and have no problem revealing it to others, but I think that AIDS is a different story. As sad as it is, I'm afraid that there is still a stigma against having AIDS, which is surprising in the year 2016. Why would you still be trying to keep that a secret, especially if others could have been affected by it, it just makes no sense!


---- Are people with AIDS traveling internationally, playing 2 -4 hour concerts, going to jazz shows and riding around on bikes? I am not saying it is not possible but you do realize are hard that is to believe? You also have disclose that you have Hiv or AIDS to your partners. How would he have kept that quiet.


Of course they are. The current Antiretroviral meds are very effective with fewer side effects than ever before. Lots of folks living with HIV/AIDS are leading relatively normal lives if in care.

No they don't. At least in CA, "partner services" for HIV is a voluntary program ran by public health agencies. I imaging MN is the same.

NOTE, I'm NOT trying to contribute to the P-had-AIDS speculation!!! Just providing facts about HIV/AIDS.
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Reply #165 posted 06/02/16 2:46pm

babynoz

nursev said:

leecaldon said:
It's not a like-for-comparison but an ex-girlfriend was 5'3" and weighed 112. She's slim, in good shape and has curves - in no way underweight.
112 is cool if you have proper nutrition to go along with that and obviously Prince didn't.



Isn't there a difference according to sex, body frame and age? I don't think people can compare a man to their girlfriends.

Not you, but so many people went off in the wrong direction when I mentioned weight.

What I was actually wondering is about the dosage of medication relative to his weight? Is is true that a dosage for a smaller person would differ from a big person?

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #166 posted 06/02/16 2:46pm

Genesia

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mont0372 said:

jesme1999 said:

simm0061 said: I know many people who go to pain management And are prescribes Fentanyl patches plus Pills My 83 yr old ex mother in law is one of them . Its used alot for severe chronic pain .

From my understanding, Prince didn't have a Fentanyl patch, he injected it. I don't think it's normal for a patient to inject. Correct me if I'm wrong.


And your understanding is based on...?

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Reply #167 posted 06/02/16 2:47pm

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Genesia said:

Fury said:

The clothing description matches the picture that TMZ was pushing. Prince didn't strike me as the type to walk around the house in all black basic clothing neutral


What else would you expect him to be wearing in his own home at 3:00 in the morning? Gold lamé and 4-inch heels?


I always like to think he would make use of old clothes, Like I do around the house. I have visions of Prince doing the dishes in his mack and briefs or maybe the yellow assless pants. wink

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Reply #168 posted 06/02/16 2:48pm

nursev

jesme1999 said:

nursev said:



true a lot of clients have both, but I'm not administering them together.



Dont blame you one bit !
Its crazy !
My ex brother in law had both ... OD'd
Had to be life lifted to the hospital
And OD'd on them again two weeks later
Again he survived and no dr would write
Him his script ...
He just got out of rehab for heroin
I dont get it !


wow...truly sad. Most narcotic have the potential to decrease respirations so anytime your taking or giving more than one together you should never alter the dose and take as prescribed. They are truly deadly alone but add heroin or something else and death is certain if not intervened quickly.
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Reply #169 posted 06/02/16 2:48pm

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jesme1999 said:

nursev said:
Fentanyl is a narcotic, it is controlled and counted by nurses due to it being highly abused. One patch is strong enough to last for days. I've only seen it prescribed for chronic pain, cancer, etc issues where a patient can't get proper pain relief from other medications. As a nurse there is no way in hell Im giving Fentanyl and Percocet together...recipe for disaster.
Totally agree and yet money hungry pain management Doctors do it all the time i was floored When my 83 yr old mother in law was prescribed The patches and norco Even more floored that my ex hubs was Getting them from her and Cutting them open and eating the gel .

Damn, this is an epidemic. mad I think it should be a crime to prescribe that stuff to an elderly person without responsible oversight. confused Norco I knew nothing about until a young relative of mine became addicted to it. When I was told this, I said what the hell is Norco?!! Apparently, people sniff it and smoke it. :-oIt makes me sad that sources for addiction are more diverse and plentiful than when I was young. That was bad enough. Fortunately, after many tries at rehabilitation, he got serious about his sobriety and he is now successful in his life...and working the 12 steps every day. There IS life beyond prescription opiod dependence.

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Reply #170 posted 06/02/16 2:49pm

Genesia

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Genesia said:


What else would you expect him to be wearing in his own home at 3:00 in the morning? Gold lamé and 4-inch heels?


I always like to think he would make use of old clothes, Like I do around the house. I have visions of Prince doing the dishes in his mack and briefs or maybe the yellow assless pants. wink


At least the report settled one question for all time - he was wearing underwear.

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Reply #171 posted 06/02/16 2:51pm

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babynoz said:



nursev said:


leecaldon said:
It's not a like-for-comparison but an ex-girlfriend was 5'3" and weighed 112. She's slim, in good shape and has curves - in no way underweight.

112 is cool if you have proper nutrition to go along with that and obviously Prince didn't.



Isn't there a difference according to sex, body frame and age? I don't think people can compare a man to their girlfriends.

Not you, but so many people went off in the wrong direction when I mentioned weight.

What I was actually wondering is about the dosage of medication relative to his weight? Is is true that a dosage for a smaller person would differ from a big person?



all true and most medications are prescribed according to gender, weight and height. I think that one of these doctors didn't know the other had prescribed something else....poor Prince caught in between and took em.
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Reply #172 posted 06/02/16 2:52pm

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Why did the lady on CNN at the Medical Examiners office have to state it like "This is the new Heroine?" I don't like that! Goodness. Prince was in severe hip pain! He just took too many pills! Geee I miss him. sad

http://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn&sr=watchHPbutton

because they are doing their best to make him look like an addict. there is so much wrong with this whole thing I can't even stand it. well, i need to not say anything else.

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Reply #173 posted 06/02/16 2:53pm

babynoz

nursev said:

babynoz said:



Isn't there a difference according to sex, body frame and age? I don't think people can compare a man to their girlfriends.

Not you, but so many people went off in the wrong direction when I mentioned weight.

What I was actually wondering is about the dosage of medication relative to his weight? Is is true that a dosage for a smaller person would differ from a big person?

all true and most medications are prescribed according to gender, weight and height. I think that one of these doctors didn't know the other had prescribed something else....poor Prince caught in between and took em.



Thanks. I truly believe it was accidental.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #174 posted 06/02/16 2:53pm

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nursev said:

babynoz said:



Isn't there a difference according to sex, body frame and age? I don't think people can compare a man to their girlfriends.

Not you, but so many people went off in the wrong direction when I mentioned weight.

What I was actually wondering is about the dosage of medication relative to his weight? Is is true that a dosage for a smaller person would differ from a big person?

all true and most medications are prescribed according to gender, weight and height. I think that one of these doctors didn't know the other had prescribed something else....poor Prince caught in between and took em.

Smaller sized people have a lower tolerance for everything, not just alcohol.

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Reply #175 posted 06/02/16 2:53pm

nursev

I would love to hear from the doctor we have hear on this if only ya'll hadn't scared him or her away with that damn petition thread disbelief
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Reply #176 posted 06/02/16 2:54pm

PeteSilas

purplethunder3121 said:

jesme1999 said:

nursev said: Totally agree and yet money hungry pain management Doctors do it all the time i was floored When my 83 yr old mother in law was prescribed The patches and norco Even more floored that my ex hubs was Getting them from her and Cutting them open and eating the gel .

Damn, this is an epidemic. mad I think it should be a crime to prescribe that stuff to an elderly person without responsible oversight. confused Norco I knew nothing about until a young relative of mine became addicted to it. When I was told this, I said what the hell is Norco?!! Apparently, people sniff it and smoke it. :-oIt makes me sad that sources for addiction are more diverse and plentiful than when I was young. That was bad enough. Fortunately, after many tries at rehabilitation, he got serious about his sobriety and he is now successful in his life...and working the 12 steps every day. There IS life beyond prescription opiod dependence.

[Edited 6/2/16 14:51pm]

it is, they say it's bad here in seattle, i wouldn't know, i go the other way when people fuck around with anything. I still wonder how it could happen to someone as self-aware and intelligent as Prince. Ironically, both he and MJ were anti drug when they were young, well, at least they didn't die at 27.

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Reply #177 posted 06/02/16 2:54pm

alphastreet

Oh no sad that's awful. I totally understand why it happened, I know people with the patches too for their chronic pain, and one patch can not be good enough too and countering it or wanting to can be risky. I don't know about the US but over here there have been concerns about patches being available on the black market and what could be done to regulate use or how to distribute them in general. I don't know if Prince may have tried to double them for a short time and it killed him or what but something like that is so sad and so preventable if you have proper support and coping strategies in place
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Reply #178 posted 06/02/16 2:55pm

babynoz

nursev said:

I would love to hear from the doctor we have hear on this if only ya'll hadn't scared him or her away with that damn petition thread disbelief



He's on the update thread. I asked him a question.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #179 posted 06/02/16 2:56pm

RiotPaisley

BanishedBrian said:



laurarichardson said:


terrig said:

I think this only tells you why he died. It doesnt matter what else was going on with his body. What killed him was the drug overdose.

I have ot go google what fentanyl is...I dont know anything about it....



--- If he had cancer it matters. I hope the family discloses this to a stop to media vultures.


If he had cancer, I'd think that his family and friends would have disclosed it weeks ago, as it would have been a sympathetic story that would have squashed most of the speculation about drug dependence/addiction.



Maybe they didn't know- they have the full report and it's their info to distribute if they desire. I could see him not telling his blood family. Close friends may have known. But he didn't want us to know so... I don't expect to hear about it.
Surprise, surprise.
Another treat. Another trick.
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