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Reply #120 posted 06/02/16 1:58pm

PeteSilas

1contessa said:

FUNKNROLL said:

Reading the ME report's policy at top - they will only disclose the exact manner and cause of death. Under MN law, other health details are never made public - for anybody.

So he may have been struggling with deep depression, sick with flu, cancer, or AIDS. But the exact precise medical cause of his death was self administered Fentanyl. We know how... but not why.

IMO, when people suffer from depression, flu, cancer, etc, they don't hide it, and have no problem revealing it to others, but I think that AIDS is a different story. As sad as it is, I'm afraid that there is still a stigma against having AIDS, which is surprising in the year 2016. Why would you still be trying to keep that a secret, especially if others could have been affected by it, it just makes no sense!

it's true, people on here were acting like Prince could not have been suffering from such a leperous disease, it just tells you how people still feel about it. Weird.

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Reply #121 posted 06/02/16 1:58pm

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My sister works in a MN hospital and says she's never seen that prescribed. It is usually administered at the hospital, usually when someone is terminal. She said it is used for "conscious sedation" in hospitals. And a pain specialist would only prescribe that if the paitent was terminal...and even then, not likely.

Some one is probably going to go to jail on this one. Probably why that MN Dr was fired...

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Reply #122 posted 06/02/16 1:59pm

1contessa

laurarichardson said:

terrig said:

I think this only tells you why he died. It doesnt matter what else was going on with his body. What killed him was the drug overdose.

I have ot go google what fentanyl is...I dont know anything about it....

--- If he had cancer it matters. I hope the family discloses this to a stop to media vultures.

I have to aree with you, and I think the same goes for if he had AIDS. Knowing so could have possibly helped others with the disease, any disease, not to mention, if he had partners or not. I would hate to think that he did, and didn't tell them, just because he was ashamed and wanted to keep it secret! Now, I'm not saying that he did, but this would be horrible to think about if he did. There are just so many unanswered questions! Why did they cremate his body so quickly, why did he not want to stay at the hospital after he was unresponsive, what was the cause of the low blood count, the weight loss, etc? Did he already know that he was terminal and intentionally overdose? How do we know it was accidental? I guess we don't.........still so many questions.

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Reply #123 posted 06/02/16 2:00pm

BanishedBrian

laurarichardson said:

terrig said:

I think this only tells you why he died. It doesnt matter what else was going on with his body. What killed him was the drug overdose.

I have ot go google what fentanyl is...I dont know anything about it....

--- If he had cancer it matters. I hope the family discloses this to a stop to media vultures.


If he had cancer, I'd think that his family and friends would have disclosed it weeks ago, as it would have been a sympathetic story that would have squashed most of the speculation about drug dependence/addiction.

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Reply #124 posted 06/02/16 2:03pm

disch

The Star-Tribune article included this:

"Meanwhile, a joint state and federal criminal investigation into Prince’s death continues.

Carver County Chief Deputy Jason Kamerud said Thursday that he has “no idea what the time frame is” for completing that work.

He said the medical examiner’s report is just one “piece of the puzzle.’"

So this report isn't the final word -- there is still more official investigation, plus there are, I'm sure, hordes of journalists digging into everything about this for their own articles, books, etc.

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Reply #125 posted 06/02/16 2:04pm

BanishedBrian

1contessa said:

laurarichardson said:

terrig said: --- If he had cancer it matters. I hope the family discloses this to a stop to media vultures.

I have to aree with you, and I think the same goes for if he had AIDS. Knowing so could have possibly helped others with the disease, any disease, not to mention, if he had partners or not. I would hate to think that he did, and didn't tell them, just because he was ashamed and wanted to keep it secret! Now, I'm not saying that he did, but this would be horrible to think about if he did. There are just so many unanswered questions! Why did they cremate his body so quickly, why did he not want to stay at the hospital after he was unresponsive, what was the cause of the low blood count, the weight loss, etc? Did he already know that he was terminal and intentionally overdose? How do we know it was accidental? I guess we don't.........still so many questions.


To address a few of your questions, it is part of the JW practice to have a prompt burial or cremation... given his beliefs, the timing looks like it was just Tyka doing what she thought he'd have wanted.

As for staying in the hospital... if that hospitalization was for an opioid OD, then leaving the hospital against doctors' recommendations would be consistent with what 95+% of opioid OD patients do once they feel better from the save shot. In this case, he was in a random location in the middle of nowhere as well, so it's not surprising he'd have wanted to go home and get treated in private rather than in a public hospital setting.

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Reply #126 posted 06/02/16 2:06pm

nursev

Fentanyl patches are very strong when applied one patch can last days. They are controlled, counted and highly abused. I'm glad it was released and I'm so sorry that Prince was in pain for so long. His weight is truly sad and tells me maybe something else was going on too. I'm comforted that he is no longer in pain and I'll love him no matter what.
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Reply #127 posted 06/02/16 2:07pm

laurarichardso
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1contessa said:



FUNKNROLL said:


Reading the ME report's policy at top - they will only disclose the exact manner and cause of death. Under MN law, other health details are never made public - for anybody.



So he may have been struggling with deep depression, sick with flu, cancer, or AIDS. But the exact precise medical cause of his death was self administered Fentanyl. We know how... but not why.



IMO, when people suffer from depression, flu, cancer, etc, they don't hide it, and have no problem revealing it to others, but I think that AIDS is a different story. As sad as it is, I'm afraid that there is still a stigma against having AIDS, which is surprising in the year 2016. Why would you still be trying to keep that a secret, especially if others could have been affected by it, it just makes no sense!


---- Are people with AIDS traveling internationally, playing 2 -4 hour concerts, going to jazz shows and riding around on bikes? I am not saying it is not possible but you do realize are hard that is to believe? You also have disclose that you have Hiv or AIDS to your partners. How would he have kept that quiet.
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Reply #128 posted 06/02/16 2:08pm

nursev

Regardless of BMI 112 is thin.
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Reply #129 posted 06/02/16 2:09pm

PeteSilas

laurarichardson said:

1contessa said:

IMO, when people suffer from depression, flu, cancer, etc, they don't hide it, and have no problem revealing it to others, but I think that AIDS is a different story. As sad as it is, I'm afraid that there is still a stigma against having AIDS, which is surprising in the year 2016. Why would you still be trying to keep that a secret, especially if others could have been affected by it, it just makes no sense!

---- Are people with AIDS traveling internationally, playing 2 -4 hour concerts, going to jazz shows and riding around on bikes? I am not saying it is not possible but you do realize are hard that is to believe? You also have disclose that you have Hiv or AIDS to your partners. How would he have kept that quiet.

Prince was a superman, Duke Ellington played live when he should have been in a hospital waiting for death. those guys aren't like us.

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Reply #130 posted 06/02/16 2:12pm

endiadj

laurarichardson said:

1contessa said:



FUNKNROLL said:


Reading the ME report's policy at top - they will only disclose the exact manner and cause of death. Under MN law, other health details are never made public - for anybody.



So he may have been struggling with deep depression, sick with flu, cancer, or AIDS. But the exact precise medical cause of his death was self administered Fentanyl. We know how... but not why.



IMO, when people suffer from depression, flu, cancer, etc, they don't hide it, and have no problem revealing it to others, but I think that AIDS is a different story. As sad as it is, I'm afraid that there is still a stigma against having AIDS, which is surprising in the year 2016. Why would you still be trying to keep that a secret, especially if others could have been affected by it, it just makes no sense!


---- Are people with AIDS traveling internationally, playing 2 -4 hour concerts, going to jazz shows and riding around on bikes? I am not saying it is not possible but you do realize are hard that is to believe? You also have disclose that you have Hiv or AIDS to your partners. How would he have kept that quiet.


isn't it also required to notify any past lovers if a patient/deceased had hiv/aids?
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Reply #131 posted 06/02/16 2:14pm

RachB65

1contessa said:



FUNKNROLL said:


Reading the ME report's policy at top - they will only disclose the exact manner and cause of death. Under MN law, other health details are never made public - for anybody.



So he may have been struggling with deep depression, sick with flu, cancer, or AIDS. But the exact precise medical cause of his death was self administered Fentanyl. We know how... but not why.



IMO, when people suffer from depression, flu, cancer, etc, they don't hide it, and have no problem revealing it to others, but I think that AIDS is a different story. As sad as it is, I'm afraid that there is still a stigma against having AIDS, which is surprising in the year 2016. Why would you still be trying to keep that a secret, especially if others could have been affected by it, it just makes no sense!


Did you know David Bowie had cancer before he died?
"Almost all art is trying to become an anaesthetic and at the same time a healing session drawing up the magical electrics.”
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Reply #132 posted 06/02/16 2:14pm

endiadj

some will not be satisfied until they find out he had cancer/hiv/aids or some other serious illness. severe hip pain leading to dependency just isn't enough to satisfy them.
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Reply #133 posted 06/02/16 2:14pm

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Letsgetcrazy1 said:

OMG! This opens the wound that has not healed in our hearts again. I am so saddened. How devastating for all of us fans to read this. It kind of puts a finality to his earthly being. We know his soul is in Heaven with his son Amir. He finally has peace in his heart. Rest in peace my sweet Prince. cry

sad hug

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Reply #134 posted 06/02/16 2:17pm

jesme1999

ksl1974 said:

So I'm assuming.....he must have had a fentanyl patch on at the time of death? Is that somthing they would list in the autopsy?



Also, how does the percocet play into this? We know he had it on him at the time of death. So had he taken some? Or did he have it/carry it with him just as a "back up"?..until the patch kicked in? Makes me wonder if he had two patches on.....which is a huge no- no....but would explain the overdose. But maybe that prescription he was picking up at Walgreens before his death....was the fentanyl? And if he'd never used it before, only been using percocet....maybe he thought, if one patch is good....two is better?



questions questions! confused




The fentanyl patch is more likely to
To be cut open and chewed up by someone with
An addiction or tolerance to opiates .
The patch is time release eating the
Gel inside the patch is the dangerous
Part ... It hits you all at once .
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Reply #135 posted 06/02/16 2:17pm

purplethunder3
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destinyc1 said:

jillybean said:

Is this real? He weighed 112 lbs. Oh, this is heartbreaking all over again. sad

YES...And many of us on here kept saying he looked bad and thin.

I noted the difference between when I saw Prince in person in 2014 three feet from the stage and those last pictures at his final concert were like day and night... sad

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Reply #136 posted 06/02/16 2:19pm

jesme1999

lameless said:

You don't know you're addicted to something until you try to stop. Addict is not a dirty word. I fully believe his "flu" was withdrawal symptoms and his chef said he had been dealing with it for weeks (months?). He needed help...it came too late. Very sad, very heartbreaking.



I think this is probably spot on .
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Reply #137 posted 06/02/16 2:19pm

nursev

jesme1999 said:

ksl1974 said:

So I'm assuming.....he must have had a fentanyl patch on at the time of death? Is that somthing they would list in the autopsy?



Also, how does the percocet play into this? We know he had it on him at the time of death. So had he taken some? Or did he have it/carry it with him just as a "back up"?..until the patch kicked in? Makes me wonder if he had two patches on.....which is a huge no- no....but would explain the overdose. But maybe that prescription he was picking up at Walgreens before his death....was the fentanyl? And if he'd never used it before, only been using percocet....maybe he thought, if one patch is good....two is better?



questions questions! confused




The fentanyl patch is more likely to
To be cut open and chewed up by someone with
An addiction or tolerance to opiates .
The patch is time release eating the
Gel inside the patch is the dangerous
Part ... It hits you all at once .


true...highly abused
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Reply #138 posted 06/02/16 2:21pm

nursev

I think he was by himself and applied more than he was supposed to...I'm not gonna say he chewed them.
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Reply #139 posted 06/02/16 2:21pm

ecnirp98

Interesting it says 'death at work - No' when Paisley Park was his place of work for the last 28 years, I guess its more about industrial accidents - Health & Safety, I was happier he died at Paisley Park, where he chose to spend his time recording and hanging out.

[Edited 6/2/16 14:22pm]

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Reply #140 posted 06/02/16 2:22pm

jelleke

All this is not bringing him back unfortunately..

For me he just died of trying to find something to release him from his chronic pain.

Which makes him human after all..

See U in after life baby and THANK U 4 everything you've learned, showed & given me so far !

prince heart

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Reply #141 posted 06/02/16 2:23pm

icequeen78

1contessa said:

FUNKNROLL said:

Reading the ME report's policy at top - they will only disclose the exact manner and cause of death. Under MN law, other health details are never made public - for anybody.

So he may have been struggling with deep depression, sick with flu, cancer, or AIDS. But the exact precise medical cause of his death was self administered Fentanyl. We know how... but not why.

IMO, when people suffer from depression, flu, cancer, etc, they don't hide it, and have no problem revealing it to others, but I think that AIDS is a different story. As sad as it is, I'm afraid that there is still a stigma against having AIDS, which is surprising in the year 2016. Why would you still be trying to keep that a secret, especially if others could have been affected by it, it just makes no sense!

im here to tell you.. that your opinion is wrong about that first statement. People suffer silently from depression and cancer ALL the time and don't say a damn word to a soul. Many who go on to commit suicide or die quietly and shock their friends or family believe that they dont want to burden others with their issues. So Prince could very well have had cancer and have taken fentanyl to help with the pain.. (i also work in healthcare in a clinical healthcare setting and fentanyl overdoses are common because it's such a STRONG drug)

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Reply #142 posted 06/02/16 2:23pm

nursev

so he had Percocet and Fentanyl? A 112 lb man? I need somebody license or some charges somewhere.
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Reply #143 posted 06/02/16 2:24pm

purplethunder3
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nursev said:

I think he was by himself and applied more than he was supposed to...I'm not gonna say he chewed them.

In this instance, you know way more about this sort of thing than most of us do...probably more than you want to know. I never heard of Fentanyl (spelling?) before today... sad All I know is that I was prescribed Percocet (which the tabloids claimed he was using) after major surgery and I took them for a few days, couldn't stand the side effects, and flushed them down the toilet.

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Reply #144 posted 06/02/16 2:27pm

leecaldon

nursev said:

Regardless of BMI 112 is thin.



It's not a like-for-comparison but an ex-girlfriend was 5'3" and weighed 112. She's slim, in good shape and has curves - in no way underweight.
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Reply #145 posted 06/02/16 2:28pm

nursev

purplethunder3121 said:



nursev said:


I think he was by himself and applied more than he was supposed to...I'm not gonna say he chewed them.

In this instance, you know way more about this sort of thing than most of us do...probably more than you want to know. I never heard of Fentanyl (spelling?) before today... sad All I know is that I was prescribed Percocet (which the tabloids claimed he was using) after major surgery and I took them for a few days, couldn't stand the side effects, and flushed them down the toilet.



Fentanyl is a narcotic, it is controlled and counted by nurses due to it being highly abused. One patch is strong enough to last for days. I've only seen it prescribed for chronic pain, cancer, etc issues where a patient can't get proper pain relief from other medications. As a nurse there is no way in hell Im giving Fentanyl and Percocet together...recipe for disaster.
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Reply #146 posted 06/02/16 2:28pm

jesme1999

simm0061 said:

My sister works in a MN hospital and says she's never seen that prescribed. It is usually administered at the hospital, usually when someone is terminal. She said it is used for "conscious sedation" in hospitals. And a pain specialist would only prescribe that if the paitent was terminal...and even then, not likely.


Some one is probably going to go to jail on this one. Probably why that MN Dr was fired...




I know many people who go to pain management
And are prescribes Fentanyl patches plus
Pills
My 83 yr old ex mother in law is one of them .
Its used alot for severe chronic pain .
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Reply #147 posted 06/02/16 2:30pm

nursev

leecaldon said:

nursev said:

Regardless of BMI 112 is thin.



It's not a like-for-comparison but an ex-girlfriend was 5'3" and weighed 112. She's slim, in good shape and has curves - in no way underweight.


112 is cool if you have proper nutrition to go along with that and obviously Prince didn't.
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Reply #148 posted 06/02/16 2:32pm

nursev

jesme1999 said:

simm0061 said:

My sister works in a MN hospital and says she's never seen that prescribed. It is usually administered at the hospital, usually when someone is terminal. She said it is used for "conscious sedation" in hospitals. And a pain specialist would only prescribe that if the paitent was terminal...and even then, not likely.


Some one is probably going to go to jail on this one. Probably why that MN Dr was fired...




I know many people who go to pain management
And are prescribes Fentanyl patches plus
Pills
My 83 yr old ex mother in law is one of them .
Its used alot for severe chronic pain .


true a lot of clients have both, but I'm not administering them together.
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Reply #149 posted 06/02/16 2:32pm

1contessa

laurarichardson said:

1contessa said:

IMO, when people suffer from depression, flu, cancer, etc, they don't hide it, and have no problem revealing it to others, but I think that AIDS is a different story. As sad as it is, I'm afraid that there is still a stigma against having AIDS, which is surprising in the year 2016. Why would you still be trying to keep that a secret, especially if others could have been affected by it, it just makes no sense!

---- Are people with AIDS traveling internationally, playing 2 -4 hour concerts, going to jazz shows and riding around on bikes? I am not saying it is not possible but you do realize are hard that is to believe? You also have disclose that you have Hiv or AIDS to your partners. How would he have kept that quiet.

Do you honestly think that everyone who has HIV or AIDS disclose it to their partners or people they just hook up with? That's very naive.

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