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Reply #90 posted 06/02/16 1:18pm

jkrumes

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destinyc1 said:

suomynona said:

For anyone that wants to freak out about his weight -- he had the ideal weight for someone at 5 foot 3 inches. In fact, he was overweight by nearly half a pound.

You were correct....I thought it was added because of the big fro cool But,i knew he loss weight reguardless because it was reported always that he weighed 125.

I was going to say, he was probably no more than 125 at his heaviest weight, and that's only because he had A LOT of muscle.

So yes, he had lost weight and was thin, but he was not of 'abnormal' weight at 112.

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Reply #91 posted 06/02/16 1:19pm

JudasLChrist

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"The Media" had nothing to do with this. This is the report from the Department who did the autopsy.


MzPurpleDiva said:

JudasLChrist said:

Fentanyl Toxicity:

The media can put out as many documents as they would like but maybe im in denial and just dont want to accept this but I feel something just aint right in my spirit since day one nothing added up. if they claimed he could of been dead for 6hrs then what was performing CPR was going to do

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Reply #92 posted 06/02/16 1:20pm

JudasLChrist

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BanishedBrian said:

lameless said:

You don't know you're addicted to something until you try to stop. Addict is not a dirty word. I fully believe his "flu" was withdrawal symptoms and his chef said he had been dealing with it for weeks (months?). He needed help...it came too late. Very sad, very heartbreaking.


Exactly... I don't know why everyone is so scared of using the term addiction. It is not a pejorative term.


THANK YOU!

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Reply #93 posted 06/02/16 1:21pm

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suomynona said:

For anyone that wants to freak out about his weight -- he had the ideal weight for someone at 5 foot 3 inches. In fact, he was overweight by nearly half a pound.

The BMI calculated is flawed. It doesn't take into account muscle mass which weighs more than fat.

You can have two people of the same height, one at 150lbs with 30% body fat and another person at 180lbs with 4% body fat. The BMI will indicate that the person with 4% body fat is over wieght, while the person with 30% body fat will be reported as "healthy weight" even though they are fat.

Prince normally carried a lot of muscle mass so 112lbs is thin for him.

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Reply #94 posted 06/02/16 1:22pm

destinyc1

Ok question for everyone.The clothes that he had on wasn't that the clothes he had on a walgreens?Just seems odd that when he was found he still had that hat on.
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Reply #95 posted 06/02/16 1:23pm

Polo1026

MzPurpleDiva said:

JudasLChrist said:

Fentanyl Toxicity:

coronor's report



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj907pLVAAA8kFn.jpg:large

https://twitter.com/MidwestMedExam/status/738437445327282180

[Edited 6/2/16 11:47am]

[Edited 6/2/16 12:12pm]

The media can put out as many documents as they would like but maybe im in denial and just dont want to accept this but I feel something just aint right in my spirit since day one nothing added up. if they claimed he could of been dead for 6hrs then what was performing CPR was going to do

EMT's are trained to do CPR unless it is obvious death, like a gunshot wound to the head. EMT's cannot pronounce anyone, we have to call into Medical Control and speak to a doctor and tell the doctor we've been doing CPR for however much time and no heartbeat or sinus rhythm is detected by an EKG and the AED has not shocked the patient. We never assume that someone is dead, we need real data/evidence to relay to a doctor who then makes the determination that someone is dead. We can find someone cold and with no pulse with dilated pupils and know for sure they are dead upon sight but still engage our training. People have been revived from that state too many times to assume they are gone.

[Edited 6/2/16 13:25pm]

[Edited 6/2/16 13:26pm]

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Reply #96 posted 06/02/16 1:26pm

1contessa

luv4u said:

jonnylawson said:

LOCK THIS THREAD this is so disrespectful Discussing His royal badness autopsy ....what the fuck ? Are we considering this "normal " to discuss such a intensely private subject You have the result - leave it at that and give P the privacy in death he so craved in life



We are all looking for answers and closure.

I agree, and so far this report has left me with more questions than answers.

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Reply #97 posted 06/02/16 1:28pm

simm0061

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Baduizm said:

63 inches=5.25 feet.

Um, check you math. 60 inches is 5 foot...now add 3 inches. 5'3"

I think you divided 63/12 which gives you 5 ft and .25% of 1 foot (i.e. 3 inches)

Unless that is what you are trying to say then if so, my bad...

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Reply #98 posted 06/02/16 1:28pm

destinyc1

Polo1026 said:

MzPurpleDiva said:

The media can put out as many documents as they would like but maybe im in denial and just dont want to accept this but I feel something just aint right in my spirit since day one nothing added up. if they claimed he could of been dead for 6hrs then what was performing CPR was going to do

EMT's are trained to do CPR unless it is obvious death, like a gunshot wound to the head. EMT's cannot pronounce anyone, we have to call into Medical Control and speak to a doctor and tell the doctor we've been doing CPR for however much time and no heartbeat or sinus rhythm is detected by an EKG and the AED has not shocked the patient. We never assume that someone is dead, we need real data/evidence to relay to a doctor who then makes the determination that someone is dead. We can find someone cold and with no pulse with dilated pupils and know for sure they are dead upon sight but still engage our training. People have been revived from that state too many times to assume they are gone.

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[Edited 6/2/16 13:26pm]

It was reported R.M had set in

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Reply #99 posted 06/02/16 1:30pm

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I am just at a supreme loss... ...Sorry for the length, RIP PRINCE

hug

Thank you for sharing your story, and for a sane, calming, positive response in the midst of all this craziness. No need for apologies on the length wink

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Reply #100 posted 06/02/16 1:34pm

jonnymon

jillybean said:

Is this real? He weighed 112 lbs. Oh, this is heartbreaking all over again. sad



It is heartbreaking. I'm really unsure the significance of his weight because he was a small guy and was always pretty fit. To put it in perspective, in boxing, the Flyweight division has a max weight of 112 lbs and the average height of those guys is 5' 5".

....I don't really know why I bring this up. Maybe because I thought he looked thin in the last pictures. I guess I expected his weight to be much lower and point to other health issues besides addiction...
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Reply #101 posted 06/02/16 1:34pm

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OperatingThetan said:

jonnylawson said:

LOCK THIS THREAD



this is so disrespectful

Discussing His royal badness autopsy ....what the fuck ? Are we considering this "normal " to discuss such a intensely private subject

You have the result - leave it at that and give P the privacy in death he so craved in life



Agreed. Enough is enough. The cause is clear and no amount of either denial or judgement will change that.

I know we want answers. We have it now. The cause of death. It wasn't a surprise but still it's like losing him all over again. Please leave it at this! People don't need to stop talking about his personal physical attributes. We know what caused his death and it wasn't a shock. Let's just move on to healing. Nothing will change the real life circumstances. Let's try to just focus on his life. I'm devastated he had to leave us the way he did but I don't have the power to change what happened. Take care of one another. Look out for one another. Don't let what happened to Prince happen to you or a loved one. This isn't a unique way to die. Prince's death will give this problem more attention but it's been happening and will continue to happen. Save a life! I wish he was still here with us 😢
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #102 posted 06/02/16 1:35pm

mailaccount63

1contessa said:



luv4u said:




jonnylawson said:


LOCK THIS THREAD this is so disrespectful Discussing His royal badness autopsy ....what the fuck ? Are we considering this "normal " to discuss such a intensely private subject You have the result - leave it at that and give P the privacy in death he so craved in life



We are all looking for answers and closure.



I agree, and so far this report has left me with more questions than answers.



jonnylawson:
Chronic pain is a VERY important issue that needs to be discussed! You obviously do not understand the absolute desperation one feels when they have long-term chronic pain.

If you don't want to read about this, then leave this thread!! WHY get on here and criticize others' way of processing this?!?
[Edited 6/2/16 13:39pm]
RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

"Dearly Beloved:
We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called: 'Life'."
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Reply #103 posted 06/02/16 1:35pm

PeteSilas

jonnymon said:

jillybean said:

Is this real? He weighed 112 lbs. Oh, this is heartbreaking all over again. sad

It is heartbreaking. I'm really unsure the significance of his weight because he was a small guy and was always pretty fit. To put it in perspective, in boxing, the Flyweight division has a max weight of 112 lbs and the average height of those guys is 5' 5". ....I don't really know why I bring this up. Maybe because I thought he looked thin in the last pictures. I guess I expected his weight to be much lower and point to other health issues besides addiction...

well, i knew he wasn't no damn 80 pounds like the enquirer said. his weight was in the normal range, I would bet he was about 120-130 in his prime, he was pretty muscular in the PR-Parade era.

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Reply #104 posted 06/02/16 1:35pm

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jkrumes said:



destinyc1 said:



suomynona said:


For anyone that wants to freak out about his weight -- he had the ideal weight for someone at 5 foot 3 inches. In fact, he was overweight by nearly half a pound.



You were correct....I thought it was added because of the big fro cool But,i knew he loss weight reguardless because it was reported always that he weighed 125.




I was going to say, he was probably no more than 125 at his heaviest weight, and that's only because he had A LOT of muscle.


So yes, he had lost weight and was thin, but he was not of 'abnormal' weight at 112.



let's not forget his personal chef in that artical a while back stated he wasn't eating well because he hadn't been feeling well, so naturally he would lose weight from not eating.
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Reply #105 posted 06/02/16 1:36pm

BanishedBrian

destinyc1 said:

Ok question for everyone.The clothes that he had on wasn't that the clothes he had on a walgreens?Just seems odd that when he was found he still had that hat on.

Yes, it appears to be the same clothing he had at Walgreens. As for the cap, he seemed to wear that all the time, even in PP. There was that video Judith Hill did last year where they were pranking each other about getting locked out of the building, and when you see Prince appear in the video, he was wearing that same cap. He seemed to like to wear it when he was in casual settings, including indoors.

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Reply #106 posted 06/02/16 1:37pm

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simm0061 said:



suomynona said:


For anyone that wants to freak out about his weight -- he had the ideal weight for someone at 5 foot 3 inches. In fact, he was overweight by nearly half a pound.



The BMI calculated is flawed. It doesn't take into account muscle mass which weighs more than fat.


You can have two people of the same height, one at 150lbs with 30% body fat and another person at 180lbs with 4% body fat. The BMI will indicate that the person with 4% body fat is over wieght, while the person with 30% body fat will be reported as "healthy weight" even though they are fat.



Prince normally carried a lot of muscle mass so 112lbs is thin for him.



Thank you! The BMI is a terrible tool, there's way too many variables in the make-up of a human body's mass to consult a height/weight chart to determine "idealness" or "normality".

Most of the world's greatest professional athletes are considered OBESE via the BMI. I'm stunned it's still being used in 2016, doctors have been blasting it for years now.
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Reply #107 posted 06/02/16 1:38pm

PeteSilas

Randompersun said:

simm0061 said:

The BMI calculated is flawed. It doesn't take into account muscle mass which weighs more than fat.

You can have two people of the same height, one at 150lbs with 30% body fat and another person at 180lbs with 4% body fat. The BMI will indicate that the person with 4% body fat is over wieght, while the person with 30% body fat will be reported as "healthy weight" even though they are fat.

Prince normally carried a lot of muscle mass so 112lbs is thin for him.

Thank you! The BMI is a terrible tool, there's way too many variables in the make-up of a human body's mass to consult a height/weight chart to determine "idealness" or "normality". Most of the world's greatest professional athletes are considered OBESE via the BMI. I'm stunned it's still being used in 2016, doctors have been blasting it for years now.

ya, it is terrible as are those electric things that are supposed to be accurate, i'm fat and according to the electric things I'm not fat, but according to bmi i am.

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Reply #108 posted 06/02/16 1:39pm

Dolphinking23

OK. Didnt the rehab doctor's son who came to see Prince at Paisley Park had a bag of this same drug?

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Reply #109 posted 06/02/16 1:41pm

BanishedBrian

Dolphinking23 said:

OK. Didnt the rehab doctor's son who came to see Prince at Paisley Park had a bag of this same drug?


I believe that was buprenorphine.

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Reply #110 posted 06/02/16 1:42pm

Polo1026

destinyc1 said:

Polo1026 said:

EMT's are trained to do CPR unless it is obvious death, like a gunshot wound to the head. EMT's cannot pronounce anyone, we have to call into Medical Control and speak to a doctor and tell the doctor we've been doing CPR for however much time and no heartbeat or sinus rhythm is detected by an EKG and the AED has not shocked the patient. We never assume that someone is dead, we need real data/evidence to relay to a doctor who then makes the determination that someone is dead. We can find someone cold and with no pulse with dilated pupils and know for sure they are dead upon sight but still engage our training. People have been revived from that state too many times to assume they are gone.

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[Edited 6/2/16 13:26pm]

It was reported R.M had set in

Doesn't matter, our jobs are to engage CPR and take all necessary steps to treat the symptoms of the patient. IE, no heartbeat, treat with CPR and AED and track heart activity with EKG. Continue that for up to 30 minutes before reporting data to medical control for further instructions, which could be a doctor pronouncing the patient or to stay on scene for ALS treatment to arrive. Rigor being present is only part of the data that would be relayed to medical control, not a reason not to engage and do our jobs.

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Reply #111 posted 06/02/16 1:42pm

FUNKNROLL

Reading the ME report's policy at top - they will only disclose the exact manner and cause of death. Under MN law, other health details are never made public - for anybody.

So he may have been struggling with deep depression, sick with flu, cancer, or AIDS. But the exact precise medical cause of his death was self administered Fentanyl. We know how... but not why.

It doesn't matter to me... I hoped he didn't pass in deep despair or suffering in pain. It's heartbreaking he died alone in an elevator and per reports seemed to be in conflict, struggling with something in the last few weeks.

RIP yes pray

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Reply #112 posted 06/02/16 1:45pm

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Dolphinking23 said:

OK. Didnt the rehab doctor's son who came to see Prince at Paisley Park had a bag of this same drug?

No, he was carrying Suboxone.

I pray that his mind and soul is at peace and no longer bound to any chains. The cost of his tremendous gift was big and I am so grateful to have been on the ride with him. I don't believe in coincidences, and rainbows don't just appear over PP, so I chose to believe he has already told the world he is at rest.

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Reply #113 posted 06/02/16 1:45pm

PeteSilas

FUNKNROLL said:

Reading the ME report's policy at top - they will only disclose the exact manner and cause of death. Under MN law, other health details are never made public - for anybody.

So he may have been struggling with deep depression, sick with flu, cancer, or AIDS. But the exact precise medical cause of his death was self administered Fentanyl. We know how... but not why.

you're wrong, history tells us, it'll all come out, it will just take time.

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Reply #114 posted 06/02/16 1:45pm

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Sorry. I didn't mean to cause any trouble by mentioning his weight. It just looked like such a small amount there on the page. But he was never overweight, and he was of a smaller stature.

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Reply #115 posted 06/02/16 1:46pm

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Just makes me angry....

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Reply #116 posted 06/02/16 1:47pm

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Well, we can put the weight / health thing to bed. He was a good weight BMI for his height. Sure he's been bigger, by the guy was 57, he is going to look a little more gaunt. Certainly when I say him last year he looked very healthy for his age. Older, yes, ill no.

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Reply #117 posted 06/02/16 1:50pm

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I think this only tells you why he died. It doesnt matter what else was going on with his body. What killed him was the drug overdose.

I have ot go google what fentanyl is...I dont know anything about it....


--- If he had cancer it matters. I hope the family discloses this to a stop to media vultures.
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Reply #118 posted 06/02/16 1:50pm

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FUNKNROLL said:

Reading the ME report's policy at top - they will only disclose the exact manner and cause of death. Under MN law, other health details are never made public - for anybody.

So he may have been struggling with deep depression, sick with flu, cancer, or AIDS. But the exact precise medical cause of his death was self administered Fentanyl. We know how... but not why.

IMO, when people suffer from depression, flu, cancer, etc, they don't hide it, and have no problem revealing it to others, but I think that AIDS is a different story. As sad as it is, I'm afraid that there is still a stigma against having AIDS, which is surprising in the year 2016. Why would you still be trying to keep that a secret, especially if others could have been affected by it, it just makes no sense!

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Reply #119 posted 06/02/16 1:55pm

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gigilamorosa said:

destinyc1 said:



terrywastecake said:


Surely 112lbs (8 stone) is typical of a petite 5ft 3" person?



Also, did he have hip surgery in 2010 (which would explain the scar)? Conflicting reports on the net some say yes others no. Always thought his jw beliefs meant he couldn't.



Just checked. Healthy weight.



http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/loseweight/Pages/height-weight-chart.aspx



karen carpenter was 5'4 108 normal huh



That is normal for that height. Karen Carpenter died at a normal weight, not at her lowest weight. She had gained weight back and had a heart attack which is a very common thing with people with severely disordered eating.

That is true but she actually accelerated the heart damage by taking ipecac daily and it weakened her heart even more and thats y she died
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