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Reply #120 posted 06/02/16 10:27am

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"Several studies have showed that use of opioids for chronic pain may actually worsen pain and functioning, possibly by increasing pain perception. Opioid dependence may be as high as 26% for patients using opioids for chronic non-cancer pain. One out of every 550 patients started on opioid therapy died of opioid-related causes a median of 2.6 years after their first opioid prescription."
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Reply #121 posted 06/02/16 10:27am

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Addiction takes many forms. He needed help sooner. This could have been avoided.

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Reply #122 posted 06/02/16 10:27am

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Direct Cause, Decisive Cause, Root Cause, Amplifiers and Catalyst

Now that it's confirmed that Prince's death is caused by an OD of Opioid painkillers, MSM describe this as 'The Cause'

But is that correct?
Partially.

In my job I do a lot of failure investigations. One thing we do are establising so called CAP's Corrective Action Plans. To draft such plan we need to doo a process analysis and root cause analysis. Without a decent definition of the root cause, I cannot prevent a failure from happening again. A simple way to get to the root cause is a so called '5 why' analysis in which you ask "why?" often enough until you get to the end where there's no decent answer possible anymore. At that point you have reached the root cause. This point is often reached at the 5th time asking "Why?"

If you now apply such Root Cause Analysis to Prince's death, I would come up with these results:

1) Why did he die of an OD?
Because he took painkillers (without supervision, but I'm not going down that brach, but you could)

2)Why did he take painkillers? -> Because he was in pain
3)Why was he in pain? -> becasuse he didn't have hip replacement

Here you can (and have to) split again
4a) Why didn't he have hip replacement? -> because his beliefs (JW doctrine) prohibited surgery with blood transfusion.

4b) Why was a hip replacement needed? -> his hips were worn out.
5) Why were his hips worn out? ->Because of his podium-acrobatics on high heels during concerts
Here you could ash why was he wearing high heels. The answer to that would be the real root cause. (Compensation for beïng short,possibly due to an inferiority complex about his height)

Direct Cause: The Opioid O.D. (now confirmed)
Decisive cause: JW Doctrine prohibiting surgery with blood transfusion.
Root Cause: Worn out hips
Catalyst or Amplifier: a possible inferiority complex about his height.

If you look at it rationally, the 'failure''s root cause was known (worn out hips).
But a corrective action would have been surgery.


[Snip - luv4u]

[Edited 6/2/16 10:28am]

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Reply #123 posted 06/02/16 10:28am

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leadline said:



Mkilpatrick74 said:


leadline said:




I don't think it means he was in so much pain at all, why do so many folks think Prince would pop these pills like they were skittles to get the pain away, when doing so is akin to suicide.

Prince was smarter than that and had a much stronger will than anyone I can think of. If anything these opiods reacted with something else imo.



My pain mgt dr said he would have had to take a handful at a time to kill him that fast. She believes it interacted w another med. Accidental


Exactly, thank you for backing that up with some solid info.


--/ I think when we get the official report we are going to find he had other medical issues. He may have mixed the pain meds with other things. I have taken percocets and there is no why he could be bopping around on just those pills. Those percocets have you coma.
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Reply #124 posted 06/02/16 10:28am

SpinsterSister

I had a feeling some news would come out today, but I am feeling like shit all over again. I believe there is more to the story, damn it, why did his story have to end this way?! I am feeling jumpy, anxious, sad and pissed - it didn't have to be this way. Now is the time for prayer, hard exercise and throwing extras back to help deal with this. pray
Need me some fuzzy love....and yes, I wear clear heels
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Reply #125 posted 06/02/16 10:29am

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GirlBrother said:

rainbowchild said:

Some people are more susceptible to addiction-- whether it's drugs, alcohol, etc.-- than others. Wished he recognized he had a problem and took it seriously , especially what happened the week before his death when he was unconscious from overdose and had an emergency landing. He could have entered a rehab clinic. sad


Yeah. Addiction doesn't even have to be based upon an intake of chemicals though.

The euphoria some people feel from gambling, over-spending, or even religious ceremony can be just as addictive.



Indeed. The tragedy is some addiction-- like drugs and alcohol-- are more fatal than others. sad
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Reply #126 posted 06/02/16 10:30am

Scarfo

so sad...so very sad.

[Edited 6/2/16 10:30am]

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Reply #127 posted 06/02/16 10:30am

benni

And can I just say, I hate Thursdays now. mad

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Reply #128 posted 06/02/16 10:31am

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babynoz said:

mrwiggles said:

Am I the only one here to recognize this is not an official report? A law enforcement official who is not supposed to talk to the media, talks to the media. This is the same old same old we've been getting for several weeks. I don't trust the source and will hold judgment until the official report comes out.



You're not the only one. I'm witholding judgement too.

Agree. It's the same story over again, nothing new, nothing being added to it.

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Reply #129 posted 06/02/16 10:32am

babynoz

TweetyV6 said:

Direct Cause, Decisive Cause, Root Cause, Amplifiers and Catalyst

Now that it's confirmed that Prince's death is caused by an OD of Opioid painkillers, MSM describe this as 'The Cause'

But is that correct?
Partially.

In my job I do a lot of failure investigations. One thing we do are establising so called CAP's Corrective Action Plans. To draft such plan we need to doo a process analysis and root cause analysis. Without a decent definition of the root cause, I cannot prevent a failure from happening again. A simple way to get to the root cause is a so called '5 why' analysis in which you ask "why?" often enough until you get to the end where there's no decent answer possible anymore. At that point you have reached the root cause. This point is often reached at the 5th time asking "Why?"

If you now apply such Root Cause Analysis to Prince's death, I would come up with these results:

1) Why did he die of an OD?
Because he took painkillers (without supervision, but I'm not going down that brach, but you could)

2)Why did he take painkillers? -> Because he was in pain
3)Why was he in pain? -> becasuse he didn't have hip replacement

Here you can (and have to) split again
4a) Why didn't he have hip replacement? -> because his beliefs (JW doctrine) prohibited surgery with blood transfusion.

4b) Why was a hip replacement needed? -> his hips were worn out.
5) Why were his hips worn out? ->Because of his podium-acrobatics on high heels during concerts
Here you could ash why was he wearing high heels. The answer to that would be the real root cause. (Compensation for beïng short,possibly due to an inferiority complex about his height)

Direct Cause: The Opioid O.D. (now confirmed)
Decisive cause: JW Doctrine prohibiting surgery with blood transfusion.
Root Cause: Worn out hips
Catalyst or Amplifier: a possible inferiority complex about his height.

If you look at it rationally, the 'failure''s root cause was known (worn out hips).
But a corrective action would have been surgery.
This however was prevented due to his beliefs (IMHO brainwashing) in the JW doctrine.

[Snip - luv4u]

[Edited 6/2/16 10:28am]



Except that your conclusion is based on the fact that he did not have surgery and you do not know that.

A conclusion can only be as good as the known facts and your knowldege is incomplete, therefore your conclusion is flawed.

Let's get out the pitchforks though.

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Reply #130 posted 06/02/16 10:32am

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I pretty much figured this would be the cause and I'm just glad that it didn't include anything else along with the opioid. You know, folks were trying to say he did cocaine and other stuff so I was praying none of that would be found nor true of our beloved Prince. Like others are saying, no matter how he died....it still hurts and cuts deeply that he is gone and left us here. sad disbelief disbelief

I still wake up each day hoping this was all just a dream that lasted too long. And sadly every day I learn it is not.

He's missed beyond measure......... broken

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Reply #131 posted 06/02/16 10:32am

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what if it was as simple as chronic hip pain, he started taking pain meds, and overdosed? what if he had no underlying illness? we've heard several associates close to him over the years bring up the hip problem, so it's not like it was just invented.
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Reply #132 posted 06/02/16 10:33am

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Something else that didn't sit well with me, if I got sick enough on a plane to have to make a emergency stop believe me iam not leaving no hospital and iam slowing down until iam clear, I don't care if I start feeling a little bit better, that sick moment would have been a warning sign, I know prince was very much a show must go on man but your body gives warnings that plane ride was a warning his system was telling him something , it's just sad all the way around , sometimes we have to slow down
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Reply #133 posted 06/02/16 10:33am

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Yahoo is posting their story with this headline: "Official: Tests show Prince OD'd on opiods".

Nice - now everybody thinks it's "official". Thanks, Yahoo.

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Reply #134 posted 06/02/16 10:34am

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TweetyV6 said:

Direct Cause, Decisive Cause, Root Cause, Amplifiers and Catalyst




Now that it's confirmed that Prince's death is caused by an OD of Opioid painkillers, MSM describe this as 'The Cause'

But is that correct?
Partially.

In my job I do a lot of failure investigations. One thing we do are establising so called CAP's Corrective Action Plans. To draft such plan we need to doo a process analysis and root cause analysis. Without a decent definition of the root cause, I cannot prevent a failure from happening again. A simple way to get to the root cause is a so called '5 why' analysis in which you ask "why?" often enough until you get to the end where there's no decent answer possible anymore. At that point you have reached the root cause. This point is often reached at the 5th time asking "Why?"

If you now apply such Root Cause Analysis to Prince's death, I would come up with these results:


1) Why did he die of an OD?
Because he took painkillers (without supervision, but I'm not going down that brach, but you could)


2)Why did he take painkillers? -> Because he was in pain
3)Why was he in pain? -> becasuse he didn't have hip replacement


Here you can (and have to) split again
4a) Why didn't he have hip replacement? -> because his beliefs (JW doctrine) prohibited surgery with blood transfusion.


4b) Why was a hip replacement needed? -> his hips were worn out.
5) Why were his hips worn out? ->Because of his podium-acrobatics on high heels during concerts
Here you could ash why was he wearing high heels. The answer to that would be the real root cause. (Compensation for beïng short,possibly due to an inferiority complex about his height)



Direct Cause: The Opioid O.D. (now confirmed)
Decisive cause: JW Doctrine prohibiting surgery with blood transfusion.
Root Cause: Worn out hips
Catalyst or Amplifier: a possible inferiority complex about his height.

If you look at it rationally, the 'failure''s root cause was known (worn out hips).
But a corrective action would have been surgery.
[Snip - luv4u]


[Edited 6/2/16 10:28am]


--- JW are saying their is nothing in their doctrine that stop surgery. You can even use your own blood for a transfusion. My guess he was being stubborn and did not want to take off time from working. Look on Prince vault he had no long breaks from touring from 2010 on. He also could have hip issues from sitting at desk all day. Everybody who has hip replacement surgery he is not jumping or running.
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Reply #135 posted 06/02/16 10:34am

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leadline said:

Unfortunately I am sure there is more to this that we will never know, a simple opiod overdose could have been confirmed to everyone a month ago.

Agreed

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Reply #136 posted 06/02/16 10:35am

SoulAlive

endiadj said:

what if it was as simple as chronic hip pain, he started taking pain meds, and overdosed? what if he had no underlying illness? we've heard several associates close to him over the years bring up the hip problem, so it's not like it was just invented.

I agree.

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Reply #137 posted 06/02/16 10:35am

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BREAKING NEWS: A lot of Orgers don't know how medicine or journalism work.
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Reply #138 posted 06/02/16 10:36am

CROWNS1

I don't see this as news. It's hearsay. Until the offical report is released, at least.

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Reply #139 posted 06/02/16 10:37am

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"The day before his death, Prince was treated by a local doctor for withdrawal symptoms from opioid addiction. The physician, Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg, a family practitioner, treated Prince for fatigue, anemia and concerns about opiate withdrawal."

.

Damn why was he riding his bike and not getting enough sleep. I feel guilty about enjoying the Atlanta shows so much now becuase he clearly wasn't up to them. Oh well he just made some mistakes and one of them was a fatal mistake. No one is perfect but it's so hard to take. But just shows how tenuous life is.

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I still can't believe he is gone. I have been listening to his music a lot (of course) and just seems like he is still here and just hurts to be faced with the hard truth again.

[Edited 6/2/16 10:38am]

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Reply #140 posted 06/02/16 10:37am

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kristy said:

Something else that didn't sit well with me, if I got sick enough on a plane to have to make a emergency stop believe me iam not leaving no hospital and iam slowing down until iam clear, I don't care if I start feeling a little bit better, that sick moment would have been a warning sign, I know prince was very much a show must go on man but your body gives warnings that plane ride was a warning his system was telling him something , it's just sad all the way around , sometimes we have to slow down

I agree.

[Edited 6/10/16 10:43am]

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Reply #141 posted 06/02/16 10:37am

babynoz

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:


Exactly, thank you for backing that up with some solid info.

--/ I think when we get the official report we are going to find he had other medical issues. He may have mixed the pain meds with other things. I have taken percocets and there is no why he could be bopping around on just those pills. Those percocets have you coma.



I take percs when my back flares up and they don't knock me out unless I lie down. It lessens the pain and I feel contented. I'm twice Prince's size though, so they could have affected him more than me.

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Reply #142 posted 06/02/16 10:38am

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endiadj said:

what if it was as simple as chronic hip pain, he started taking pain meds, and overdosed? what if he had no underlying illness? we've heard several associates close to him over the years bring up the hip problem, so it's not like it was just invented.

--- To many people have mentioned that he mentioned it. People take pain pills because they are in pain if not he could have did Coke or weed. I would be surprised if he had an Rx a long time ago and got hooked.
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Reply #143 posted 06/02/16 10:39am

CROWNS1

If this is to be believed, then the offical report would have to be in. So, it's either some law enforment person's conjecture, or the report is ready and they have been withholding it.

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Reply #144 posted 06/02/16 10:39am

avajane

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avajane said:


If the autopsy reports aren't going to be released until tomorrow, then how did the AP get this info?


Is this meant to be a serious question?


Yes, I'm simply wondering who leaked out the info and was it legal for them to do so, can the AP release that info if the official autopsy report hasn't been released yet? I guess it is all legal to do so and TMZ is no different from the other media outlets when it comes to being the first to get the info.
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Reply #145 posted 06/02/16 10:40am

Bunsterdk

TweetyV6 said:

Direct Cause, Decisive Cause, Root Cause, Amplifiers and Catalyst




Now that it's confirmed that Prince's death is caused by an OD of Opioid painkillers, MSM describe this as 'The Cause'

But is that correct?
Partially.

In my job I do a lot of failure investigations. (Cut out a lot of stuff)
[Snip - luv4u] mad



[Edited 6/2/16 10:28am]



Well, you really should do your research better, my friend, if this is your job. smile

I have an old friend, a woman in her 80s at the time, who had a hip replacement around ten years ago. She's a witness and it was no issue whatsoever. Blood was not needed as there are alternatives.

Feel free to dislike religion, jw in particular or religion in general, but please do not spread these false allegations. If Prince needed and wanted hip surgery, his chosen faith did not stop him.

And brainwashing Prince? "I can't be played", remember? I think he was spot on with that assessment.
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Reply #146 posted 06/02/16 10:40am

cindyt

b.u.l.l.

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Reply #147 posted 06/02/16 10:41am

jesme1999

Linn4days said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Was it suicide?




He (probably) became addicted over time...IMHO.



I've seen it. One doesn't began that way, but...



There is a reason for the (now) limiting of prescriptions.



This is my suspicion as well .
But then again as i said before on here
Im jaded , i watched it happen to my
Own husband , my sons father .
Bless you Prince .
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Reply #148 posted 06/02/16 10:41am

meagemini2

Do you all have a boat load of questions running through your head? I do, here are some;

If it was truly an op/od, when did he start taking them?

Who perscribed them?

Were the doctors watching him for addiction?

Did he hide the fact that he might be taking too much?

Did he think that he will get it taken care of, but couldn't make the time with touring schedule?

Was his death a combination of things - exhaustion, medication, not eating, not sleeping?

Did his body just give up with all combined?

Did he take other medications and they were not supposed to be taken together?

Did the doctors give him too much dosage?

What was the timeline? He was there in the elevator for "6 hours" - found at 9:40. So death was at approx. 3:40? What time was he dropped off? What was his demeanor at that time? Edgy, tired, happy?

Why was he left alone if he had just come through this harrowing ordeal? ( do realize that you did what you were told if on the payroll - I don't think Prince messed around or minced his words)

Did he accidentally take too much - forget when his last dose was? Accidental overdose?

Did he end his life on purpose? Was he fighting depression as well?

From what I know, these drugs can make you do things out of character.

I know the 'full report" will be out tomorrow but I am not holding my breath to find out anything new.

Personally I find it hard to believe he was addicted - but not out of the realm of possibility I suppose. I think there is ALOT we don't know and may never know. But I do know one thing, he's still gone from us. And I am devestated and really mad! He didn't have a terminal illness that couldn't have been helped. He allegedly had a problem, a problem that could've been addressed and therfore a death that could've been prevented. My heart breaks for him, for his family and friends and for us. Thanks again for this site and all your help in answering questions, sharing pictures and stories and having lively, respectful conversations about our beloved Prince. Peace, Love and Healing to you all.

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Reply #149 posted 06/02/16 10:43am

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babynoz said:



TweetyV6 said:


Direct Cause, Decisive Cause, Root Cause, Amplifiers and Catalyst




Now that it's confirmed that Prince's death is caused by an OD of Opioid painkillers, MSM describe this as 'The Cause'

But is that correct?
Partially.

In my job I do a lot of failure investigations. One thing we do are establising so called CAP's Corrective Action Plans. To draft such plan we need to doo a process analysis and root cause analysis. Without a decent definition of the root cause, I cannot prevent a failure from happening again. A simple way to get to the root cause is a so called '5 why' analysis in which you ask "why?" often enough until you get to the end where there's no decent answer possible anymore. At that point you have reached the root cause. This point is often reached at the 5th time asking "Why?"

If you now apply such Root Cause Analysis to Prince's death, I would come up with these results:


1) Why did he die of an OD?
Because he took painkillers (without supervision, but I'm not going down that brach, but you could)


2)Why did he take painkillers? -> Because he was in pain
3)Why was he in pain? -> becasuse he didn't have hip replacement


Here you can (and have to) split again
4a) Why didn't he have hip replacement? -> because his beliefs (JW doctrine) prohibited surgery with blood transfusion.


4b) Why was a hip replacement needed? -> his hips were worn out.
5) Why were his hips worn out? ->Because of his podium-acrobatics on high heels during concerts
Here you could ash why was he wearing high heels. The answer to that would be the real root cause. (Compensation for beïng short,possibly due to an inferiority complex about his height)



Direct Cause: The Opioid O.D. (now confirmed)
Decisive cause: JW Doctrine prohibiting surgery with blood transfusion.
Root Cause: Worn out hips
Catalyst or Amplifier: a possible inferiority complex about his height.

If you look at it rationally, the 'failure''s root cause was known (worn out hips).
But a corrective action would have been surgery.
[Snip - luv4u]mad




[Edited 6/2/16 10:28am]





Except that your conclusion is based on the fact that he did not have surgery and you do not know that.

A conclusion can only be as good as the known facts and your knowldege is incomplete, therefore your conclusion is flawed.

Let's get out the pitchforks though.



Although tweety hasn't presented the argument this way, if you just remove the hip surgery or lack of (and the JW reason), everything else still holds.

We all know why he wore heels. Even his sneakers had three or four inch lifts by the looks of it.

There are other reasons he may have avoided elective hip surgery other than religion - privacy: not wanting people working on his sedated body, not wanting scars on his body beautiful, general squeamishness, or, sadly, perhaps the opiates initially were working wonders and he thought them a better option. And probably loads of other possibilities.
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