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Reply #330 posted 06/02/16 1:17pm

mano

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suomynona said:

Fury said:

His estate needs to hold all those trash rags accountable for saying he died of AIDS.


Couldn't agree more.

AMEN! I mean i knew those stories were nonsense, but anyone who was peddling them should be called out.

"I know I hold you too tight, but I just can't seem to get close enough." prince
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Reply #331 posted 06/02/16 1:17pm

terrig

mimi1956 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Was it suicide?

They say self administered accident, Fentanyl a cancer pain med. Comes in patches and lollipops. He loved his lollipops. Damn, what a waste.


the lollipops go way way back too. sad

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Reply #332 posted 06/02/16 1:18pm

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GirlBrother said:

Oh, God. Self-administered possibly means that the drug wasn't prescribed... ...Which means that the Daily Mail's story from April 23rd, about a Fentanyl dealer is probably true. http://www.dailymail.co.u...ction.html I'd never even heard of Fentanyl before. And there it is, in that shady story, two days after he passed.

Has Kirk shown up yet?

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Reply #333 posted 06/02/16 1:19pm

Bunsterdk

GirlBrother said:

Oh, God.

Self-administered possibly means that the drug wasn't prescribed...


I self-administer prescribed drugs on a daily basis. smile
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Reply #334 posted 06/02/16 1:19pm

1contessa

BillieBalloon said:

babynoz said:



I was a little surprised he was wearing briefs too. And that he was 5'3. I always read 5'2.

He was still wearing his cap which is why I wondered if he actually passed on the 20th?

I thought they would give the time of death but they didn't. I always thought he was 5.2 as well.

There seems to be a lot of information not given.....just saying.

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Reply #335 posted 06/02/16 1:21pm

GirlBrother

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Bunsterdk said:

GirlBrother said:

Oh, God.

Self-administered possibly means that the drug wasn't prescribed...


I self-administer prescribed drugs on a daily basis. smile


Yeah. I guess it means that way. It most probably does.

I just don't know what to think.
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Reply #336 posted 06/02/16 1:21pm

savvy

Bunsterdk said:

GirlBrother said:
Oh, God. Self-administered possibly means that the drug wasn't prescribed...
I self-administer prescribed drugs on a daily basis. smile

Doesn't mean they equate.

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Reply #337 posted 06/02/16 1:22pm

1contessa

mano said:

suomynona said:


Couldn't agree more.

AMEN! I mean i knew those stories were nonsense, but anyone who was peddling them should be called out.

No offense, but we don't know if they were nonsense. There are still a lot of unanswered questions that could be asked. This report was very vague, and I don't think the whole facts were given.

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Reply #338 posted 06/02/16 1:22pm

tmo1965

bondno9 said:

Junglehop said:

mimi1956 said: Fentanyl is not just a cancer drug - stop spreading alarmist falsehoods. Fentanyl is used for a wide range of pain management such as osteoporosis, arthritic pain, and yes hip pain before and post surgery. Do some research and educate yourself... …and quit with the conspiracy theories and burying your head in the sand.

According to the National Institute of Health fentanyl should be used only to treat breakthrough cancer pain (sudden episodes of pain that occur despite around-the-clock treatment with pain medication) in cancer patients at least 18 years of age (or at least 16 years of age if taking Actiq brand lozenges) who are taking regularly scheduled doses of another narcotic (opiate) pain medication, and who are tolerant (used to the effects of the medication) to narcotic pain medications.This medication should not be used to treat pain other than chronic cancer pain

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/m...3.html#why

Read the NIH info and Fentanyl is no joke. I would be afraid to take it personally.

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Reply #339 posted 06/02/16 1:22pm

bondno9

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mimi1956 said:

bondno9 said:

According to the National Institute of Health fentanyl should be used only to treat breakthrough cancer pain (sudden episodes of pain that occur despite around-the-clock treatment with pain medication) in cancer patients at least 18 years of age (or at least 16 years of age if taking Actiq brand lozenges) who are taking regularly scheduled doses of another narcotic (opiate) pain medication, and who are tolerant (used to the effects of the medication) to narcotic pain medications.This medication should not be used to treat pain other than chronic cancer pain

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/m...3.html#why

Thank you, others can be just too rude.

[Edited 6/2/16 13:07pm]

Yes, they can. You raised a valid observation about fentanyl. The speculation is that he was taking it for hip pain but based on the NIH website there is the possibility he may have been prescribed the drug for cancer pain. If so, that health information may be considered non-public information under MN law. If there is a family history of cancer, then it raises the possibility even higher. IMO he wasn't taking it for hip pain. It's just heartbreaking. He was in pain but gave his all up until the very end

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Reply #340 posted 06/02/16 1:23pm

laurarichardso
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Mkilpatrick74 said:

PeteSilas said:



mrwiggles said:


PurpleGypsy52 said:
True. I had back surgery that did no fix my problem. Only made it worse.

I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.



It is in most cases. Comes in patches and lollipops. I was offered it in patches after my last surgery BC my tolerance is so high I wasn't getting relief . I refused tho and we went to time released morphine w something for break thru. That would be lethal to most people never taken these types meds. Of course my pain is according f to my pain Dr comparable to a cancer patient tho. The patch sends it faster into your body. I can see how this would happen.

--- The report we are seeing is the basic report the family will get the detailed report. This drug is used by cancer patients and we know his Mn doctor did not prescribe him Percocets he had Rxs for other meds at Walgreens. Think about it if you had cancer would you be in a hurry to get to rehab.
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Reply #341 posted 06/02/16 1:25pm

tmo1965

GirlBrother said:

He wasn't wearing shoes when he died. I don't even know why I find this upsetting. It just is. I always had this idea that Prince was always being Prince 24/7. I guess whatever pain he was in, was eased by not wearing shoes.

A lot of people don't wear shoes at home.

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Reply #342 posted 06/02/16 1:30pm

GirlBrother

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tmo1965 said:



GirlBrother said:


He wasn't wearing shoes when he died. I don't even know why I find this upsetting. It just is. I always had this idea that Prince was always being Prince 24/7. I guess whatever pain he was in, was eased by not wearing shoes.

A lot of people don't wear shoes at home.



I know. I just always had this image of Prince as always being immaculate.

Like, when you're younger and you imagine that The Queen walks around the palace, wearing a tiara all day.

I know it's a stupid thought to have, but... I'm having stupid thoughts.

I'm a bit shaken by the finality of this all.
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Reply #343 posted 06/02/16 1:30pm

GeniusLuv

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From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl

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Following the patch, a flavored lollipop of fentanyl citrate mixed with inert fillers was introduced under the brand name of Actiq, becoming the first quick-acting formation of fentanyl for use with chronic breakthrough pain. More recently, fentanyl has been developed into an effervescent tab for buccal absorption much like the Actiq lollipop, followed by a buccal spray device for fast-acting relief and other delivery methods currently in development.

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Makes me think of all the times i saw him suck on a lollipop in photos eek sad

''The beautiful ones they hurt you every tiiiiime....''

yes RIP BEAUTIFUL ONES: Prince & Denise 2016
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Reply #344 posted 06/02/16 1:30pm

laurarichardso
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bondno9 said:



mimi1956 said:




bondno9 said:




According to the National Institute of Health fentanyl should be used only to treat breakthrough cancer pain (sudden episodes of pain that occur despite around-the-clock treatment with pain medication) in cancer patients at least 18 years of age (or at least 16 years of age if taking Actiq brand lozenges) who are taking regularly scheduled doses of another narcotic (opiate) pain medication, and who are tolerant (used to the effects of the medication) to narcotic pain medications.This medication should not be used to treat pain other than chronic cancer pain



https://www.nlm.nih.gov/m...3.html#why





Thank you, others can be just too rude.


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Yes, they can. You raised a valid observation about fentanyl. The speculation is that he was taking it for hip pain but based on the NIH website there is the possibility he may have been prescribed the drug for cancer pain. If so, that health information may be considered non-public information under MN law. If there is a family history of cancer, then it raises the possibility even higher. IMO he wasn't taking it for hip pain. It's just heartbreaking. He was in pain but gave his all up until the very end


-- I remember hearing Tyka had cancer a few years ago.
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Reply #345 posted 06/02/16 1:30pm

Arbwyth

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mimi1956 said:

pureTsexy said:

Someone of his size, work ethic and pain level...this is very easy to do. So sad. Doesn't change my view of him one bit. We love you Prince

No, it doesn't change the love. But if he was taking it for a serious condition, it would have been easier to accept other than an accident. The world was robbed of him as an aging genius and he was robbed of his future and maybe being happy.

Speaking from experience, chronic pain <b>is</b> a serious condition. Just because society hasn't caught up to that fact yet doesn't make it any less true. And to be completely honest, this problem wouldn't have gone away for Prince. If he'd survived this episode, it was a battle he'd likely have had to fight his entire life, whether it's trying to find safe treatments, trying to keep your spirits up enough to not jump off a bridge when the pain flares up, hell, trying to find a comfortable position while standing onstage with a guitar, or at a piano (I noticed that his piano bench for this tour looked very padded and comfortable) or sitting on an airplane. The limitations a pain disorder can cause to the things you love to do are really heartbreaking, and going forward all we can do is try to find REAL solutions to chronic pain as opposed to shit that makes money for the pharmaceutical industry. (While also accepting that we can't just ban opioids without a replacement treatment for pain, otherwise you'll have pain patients flat-out killing themselves.)

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And, of course, for those so inclined we can devote ourselves to the causes that Prince held near and dear, such as music education, narrowing the achievement gap, ending animal cruelty, and a whole host of other things. We have an opportunity to carry his torch forward; let's do that.
And I see all of your creations as one perfect complex
No one less beautiful
Or more special than the next
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Reply #346 posted 06/02/16 1:31pm

Bunsterdk

savvy said:



Bunsterdk said:


GirlBrother said:
Oh, God. Self-administered possibly means that the drug wasn't prescribed...

I self-administer prescribed drugs on a daily basis. smile


Doesn't mean they equate.



Equate? English is my second language, I'm not sure what you mean. smile
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Reply #347 posted 06/02/16 1:32pm

tmo1965

Mkilpatrick74 said:

Phishanga said:

SHOULD.

Yes should but also In those tolerant to other narcotics w chronic pain. I'm speculating here, using my own experiences, that the percocet no longer controlled the pain. And you can't keep taking more and more if it BC the Tylenol will shut your organs down

The NIH link says that you should not use Fentanyl alone; it should be used in with another narcotic.

"Fentanyl may cause serious breathing problems or death if it is used by people who are not being treated with other narcotic medications or who are not tolerant to narcotic medications."

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Reply #348 posted 06/02/16 1:32pm

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I'm not sure if this has been asked; haven't had time yet to read through everyone's replies, but since Prince overdosed the day the plane had to make an emergency landing why would it not be considered a suicide at PP? He evidently knew how much he took the day the plane landed, so why would he do it again????
Here's my thoughts on my question:
1. He forgot he had taken a dose and took another dose of fentanyl resulting in overdosing.
2. He knew he was taking too much but the pain was still there so he was chancing it just hoping he wouldn't OD and hoping the pain would go away.
3. He didn't really care anymore because the pain was just too much. Sort of like whatever happens will happen just as long as pain is gone but he truly wasn't deliberately trying to kill himself.
So what do y'all think?
I'm heartbroken all over again. Why oh why oh why. We lost such a generous, kind, person.
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Reply #349 posted 06/02/16 1:32pm

Marrk

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BillieBalloon said:

He had a scar on his hip so maybe he had the surgery. Sometimes though hip replacement surgery needs to be performed again if it doesn't correct the.problem first time. Maybe he didn't want to go through that again and just took painkillers to deal with it?

Yeah, you only get one done a time. Makes sense.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #350 posted 06/02/16 1:35pm

dalsh327

He worked himself too hard and rode life until the wheels came off.

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Reply #351 posted 06/02/16 1:35pm

benni

bondno9 said:

Junglehop said:

mimi1956 said: Fentanyl is not just a cancer drug - stop spreading alarmist falsehoods. Fentanyl is used for a wide range of pain management such as osteoporosis, arthritic pain, and yes hip pain before and post surgery. Do some research and educate yourself... …and quit with the conspiracy theories and burying your head in the sand.

According to the National Institute of Health fentanyl should be used only to treat breakthrough cancer pain (sudden episodes of pain that occur despite around-the-clock treatment with pain medication) in cancer patients at least 18 years of age (or at least 16 years of age if taking Actiq brand lozenges) who are taking regularly scheduled doses of another narcotic (opiate) pain medication, and who are tolerant (used to the effects of the medication) to narcotic pain medications.This medication should not be used to treat pain other than chronic cancer pain

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/m...3.html#why

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The hospital treated my torn spleen (from a car accident) with fentanyl. It worked tremendously, but I slept a lot while on it. They could only give it to me while I was in the ER, however. When they moved me to a regular room, they stopped the fentanyl and the pain came back. One of the worst pains I ever experienced, so bad that I would start shaking like I was freezing, teeth chattering. The nurses kept bringing me blankets to warm me up, until one finally realized I wasn't cold that it was just my body's response to the pain. So, while they may recommend it not be used for any other pain, they do use it for other types of pain. And again, it is very effective at pain relief, because while I was on it, I felt absolutely no pain, but as soon as they stopped it, the pain was intense.

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I can't imagine the type of pain that Prince had to be in, that he required fentanyl, because the pain I suffered from when they gave it to me had me begging the doctors to just put me out of my misery. I wanted to die. The fentanyl gave me relief from that pain and was the only thing that gave me relief. I was only on it for 24 hours (was in ER for 24 hours while they waited for a room in ICU to open up). After that, for 3 days I was in excruciating pain until the spleen healed more. The pain meds they gave me in the room didn't provide relief and I had to suffer through it.

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Reply #352 posted 06/02/16 1:35pm

1contessa

beacheemom said:

I'm not sure if this has been asked; haven't had time yet to read through everyone's replies, but since Prince overdosed the day the plane had to make an emergency landing why would it not be considered a suicide at PP? He evidently knew how much he took the day the plane landed, so why would he do it again???? Here's my thoughts on my question: 1. He forgot he had taken a dose and took another dose of fentanyl resulting in overdosing. 2. He knew he was taking too much but the pain was still there so he was chancing it just hoping he wouldn't OD and hoping the pain would go away. 3. He didn't really care anymore because the pain was just too much. Sort of like whatever happens will happen just as long as pain is gone but he truly wasn't deliberately trying to kill himself. So what do y'all think? I'm heartbroken all over again. Why oh why oh why. We lost such a generous, kind, person.

Good questions, unfortunately this report they put out leaves you with more questions now than answers. I have a feeling something is not right here.

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Reply #353 posted 06/02/16 1:35pm

mimi1956

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According to CNN the full autopsy and toxicology report will not be released the medical office said. You have got to be kidding.

admission is easy, just say U believe, then come 2 this place in your heart.
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Reply #354 posted 06/02/16 1:37pm

PeteSilas

mimi1956 said:

According to CNN the full autopsy and toxicology report will not be released the medical office said. You have got to be kidding.

well, we got to put the pressure on. We were his fans, they sealed Elvis' autopsy too but we all know after all this time what killed him and what that sealed autopsy contained.

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Reply #355 posted 06/02/16 1:39pm

Identity

laurarichardson said:

Think about it if you had cancer would you be in a hurry to get to rehab.

Yes, in fact, I would get into a rehab program in less than a minute to save my own life, unflattering headlines be damned.

[Edited 6/2/16 13:42pm]

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Reply #356 posted 06/02/16 1:40pm

BillieBalloon

I don't even want to address that daily mail story. We don't know for sure why prince took fetynal and for how long. So why be so ready to believe what you read in a tabloid? The only thing that the mail got right us the drug but that could be coincidence as it might be the opioid of choice amongst recreational users...which is their implication. There is NO evidence prince took it for recreational purposes
Also now we're getting the lollipop conspiracy theories.. oh lawd.
Baby, you're a star.

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Reply #357 posted 06/02/16 1:41pm

PeteSilas

Identity said:

laurarichardson said:

Think about it if you had cancer would you be in a hurry to get to rehab.



Yes, in fact, I would get into a rehab program in less than a minute to save my own life, unflattering headlines be damned.

[Edited 6/2/16 13:39pm]

someone had a thread here about how Pride kills, it looks like this was true. Prince should have been in a room somewhere talking with someone rather than throwing a party and playing chopsticks.

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Reply #358 posted 06/02/16 1:42pm

nonames

PeteSilas said:



mimi1956 said:


According to CNN the full autopsy and toxicology report will not be released the medical office said. You have got to be kidding.



well, we got to put the pressure on. We were his fans, they sealed Elvis' autopsy too but we all know after all this time what killed him and what that sealed autopsy contained.


I don't think we have any right to do that, as hard as that may be.
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Reply #359 posted 06/02/16 1:42pm

PurpleMusic07

So not sure if this has already been posted (ignore it if it has) but, Yahoo news has the medical examiners report. Kind of sorry for reading it to be honest. But anyway, it notes that there is a scar on his left hip - so that might point to him having had surgery or some kind of procedure.

https://www.yahoo.com/new...00903.html

"Where you are now is in a place that does not require time." - Rest In Power, PRINCE
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