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Reply #270 posted 06/02/16 12:36pm

PeteSilas

BillieBalloon said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:
I think they said he had some sort of alternative hip surgery but not replacement.
OK thanks. Not sure what that is though. Unfortunately there may be ODs we don't know about..hence the "I'm fine, I'm fine," attitude. You cannot help anyone until they want to help themselves. I feel terrible that all this could have been avoided. I miss him. cry

this is where I got to give credit to some of the people i've known who hounded, stalked, harassed their loved one to do what they needed to do and kept them alive longer. Sometimes being a pushy bastard is needed.

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Reply #271 posted 06/02/16 12:36pm

Bunsterdk

savvy said:

Ok. I see a rather generous use of the word "accident" here. If it was purely accidental, then why was he about to get help from an addiction doctor?



He knew there was a problem. He could have fixed it in Moline, but pretense prevented that because they couldn't guarantee a private room.



Prince was supposedly a big fan of personal responsibility, and self-reliance. There is no one to blame but Prince himself. Not "big pharma", not Kirk Johnson, not Denise, not the Paisley Park receptionist, not Tim McVeigh, not ISIS. Prince alone did this to Prince. He had a chance to save himself and he ditched it.



He may not have taken one pill ignoring that it might have been his last, but he had other chances to take care of himself and he didn't.




Accidental as opposed to deliberate, I'm sure.

He didn't take it to die. He took it to deal with whatever was ailing him.
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Reply #272 posted 06/02/16 12:36pm

mrwiggles

PurpleGypsy52 said:

BillieBalloon said:

He had a scar on his hip so maybe he had the surgery. Sometimes though hip replacement surgery needs to be performed again if it doesn't correct the.problem first time. Maybe he didn't want to go through that again and just took painkillers to deal with it?


True. I had back surgery that did no fix my problem. Only made it worse.


I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.
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Reply #273 posted 06/02/16 12:37pm

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Empress said:

I can not believe some of the ridiculous comments I'm reading on this thread neutral - Prince had an addiction, plain and simple. Although, we may not want to believe it, he was human like all the rest of us. Not a perfect human being, just human.



RIP Prince heart


-- And he had no hip problems but he had a long scar going down his leg!!! May guess is had the procedure and it did no go well. He was probaly in awful pain.
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Reply #274 posted 06/02/16 12:37pm

KingSausage

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savvy said:

Ok. I see a rather generous use of the word "accident" here. If it was purely accidental, then why was he about to get help from an addiction doctor?



He knew there was a problem. He could have fixed it in Moline, but pretense prevented that because they couldn't guarantee a private room.



Prince was supposedly a big fan of personal responsibility, and self-reliance. There is no one to blame but Prince himself. Not "big pharma", not Kirk Johnson, not Denise, not the Paisley Park receptionist, not Tim McVeigh, not ISIS. Prince alone did this to Prince. He had a chance to save himself and he ditched it.



He may not have taken one pill ignoring that it might have been his last, but he had other chances to take care of himself and he didn't.




Yes, Prince decided to take these medications himself and appears to have made other decisions that were unwise (e.g. leaving the hospital just because he couldn't get a private room). However, that doesn't make his overdose deliberate. His overdose was accidental. His intent when taking the medication was to ease pain, not to die.
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Reply #275 posted 06/02/16 12:39pm

babynoz

mrwiggles said:

babynoz said:



I take percs when my back flares up and they don't knock me out unless I lie down. It lessens the pain and I feel contented. I'm twice Prince's size though, so they could have affected him more than me.

Have a couple percs left over from recent hernia surgery. Was taking 2 at a time. Heart started beating fast last time I took em. Was floating, ehoric at first then it got old real fast. Got some hydrocodone for bad back. Take a half pill every few days or so. Time to toss it out and pick up some legal medical sativa at Denver. That being said, this story is far from over still mighty fishy. [Edited 6/2/16 12:22pm]



My back flares up badly to the point of being hardly able to move only about three or four times a year. That's the only time I mess with percs and even then I only take one because Im too scared to take more. I've had the same bottle for a year and there's still four pills left.

I use ice packs, heating pad, TENS unit, accupuncture and back exercises. But I could lay down whenever I want unlike poor Prince. sad

I think we will get the whole story eventually.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #276 posted 06/02/16 12:39pm

KingSausage

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PeteSilas said:



KingSausage said:


JustErin said:



This is so INCREDIBLY disrespectful to Prince himself.

You should be embarrassed and ashamed.

Disgusting.



Yeah, that person should be booted off the Org for that shit.

this is why we need proof so rumors don't spiral out of control. People still say Jimi hendrix was murdered, in fact, I think the doc who did his autopsy said that, turns out he had his license yanked by the time he said this because he was a quack.





We don't need more evidence to prevent ridiculous tumors and conspiracy theories from taking off. Small gaps in the available evidence don't demand crazy speculation. It's not 0 or 100 here. That's a logical fallacy.
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Reply #277 posted 06/02/16 12:39pm

PeteSilas

mrwiggles said:

PurpleGypsy52 said:
True. I had back surgery that did no fix my problem. Only made it worse.
I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.

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Reply #278 posted 06/02/16 12:41pm

morningsong

So the odds are he had surgery, possibly 2. So there may of been other physical issues or there may not have been. Bascially right back at square one. Really, worst.

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Reply #279 posted 06/02/16 12:41pm

babynoz

BillieBalloon said:

After his first overdose there was no immediate intervention and he went on to overdose again...a week later. sad



Sad, I know. I wish the intervention had come days earlier. sad

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #280 posted 06/02/16 12:41pm

KingSausage

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mrwiggles said:

PurpleGypsy52 said:



True. I had back surgery that did no fix my problem. Only made it worse.


I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.



Yeah, that was unexpected. Fentanyl is some crazy shit.
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Reply #281 posted 06/02/16 12:42pm

morningsong

PeteSilas said:

mrwiggles said:

PurpleGypsy52 said: I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.



I did Wiki. Cancer was listed.

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Reply #282 posted 06/02/16 12:42pm

mano

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PeteSilas said:

mrwiggles said:

PurpleGypsy52 said: I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.

It's an opiate, a pain killer. No reason to believe it is exclusive to treat pain stemming from cancer.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/fentanyl

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Reply #283 posted 06/02/16 12:43pm

Junglehop

mimi1956 said:



mano said:




panpac777 said:


F the Media! Nothing but BS LIES!



The man did not do drugs to the point of Death at age 57!


He was healthy.


Something smells, and it's worse than burnt pasta on the stove!



The insinuation by the Media that we his fans would believe all this BS is what also pisses me F ing off!


The only thing that is going to keep me going in life is knowing that Prince is not alone up there in heaven, if that is where he is. He also does not have to watch his back anymore. Will never be persecuted by this evil media merchant of chaos world like Bill Cosby. Why stick around for all that BS to look forward too. He is in a better place dead or alive!





Um, sorry to burst your bubble but you are now arguing with the medical examiner, not the media.



http://kstp.com/news/prince-overdose-death-opioid/4157825/?cat=1



Medical Examiner's Report


[Edited 6/2/16 12:07pm]



But what about the autopsy, was the Fentanyl for a specific problem, it is a cancer drug. What test results was the Dr. taking to him the day he was found dead. There are still so many unanswered questions.



Fentanyl is not just a cancer drug - stop spreading alarmist falsehoods.

Fentanyl is used for a wide range of pain management such as osteoporosis, arthritic pain, and yes hip pain before and post surgery.

Do some research and educate yourself...

…and quit with the conspiracy theories and burying your head in the sand.
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Reply #284 posted 06/02/16 12:43pm

computerblue77

laurarichardson said:

--- JW are saying their is nothing in their doctrine that stop surgery. You can even use your own blood for a transfusion. My guess he was being stubborn and did not want to take off time from working. Look on Prince vault he had no long breaks from touring from 2010 on. He also could have hip issues from sitting at desk all day. Everybody who has hip replacement surgery he is not jumping or running.

This is incorrect misinformation.

JW DO NOT ALLOW blood transfusions at all even if its your own blood.

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Reply #285 posted 06/02/16 12:44pm

laurarichardso
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PeteSilas said:



mrwiggles said:


PurpleGypsy52 said:
True. I had back surgery that did no fix my problem. Only made it worse.

I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.


-/ I have been saying all along he had cancer but this report said no other issues which for age was good.
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Reply #286 posted 06/02/16 12:44pm

Mkilpatrick74

PeteSilas said:



mrwiggles said:


PurpleGypsy52 said:
True. I had back surgery that did no fix my problem. Only made it worse.

I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.



It is in most cases. Comes in patches and lollipops. I was offered it in patches after my last surgery BC my tolerance is so high I wasn't getting relief . I refused tho and we went to time released morphine w something for break thru. That would be lethal to most people never taken these types meds. Of course my pain is according f to my pain Dr comparable to a cancer patient tho. The patch sends it faster into your body. I can see how this would happen.
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Reply #287 posted 06/02/16 12:44pm

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computerblue77 said:

laurarichardson said:

--- JW are saying their is nothing in their doctrine that stop surgery. You can even use your own blood for a transfusion. My guess he was being stubborn and did not want to take off time from working. Look on Prince vault he had no long breaks from touring from 2010 on. He also could have hip issues from sitting at desk all day. Everybody who has hip replacement surgery he is not jumping or running.

This is incorrect misinformation.

JW DO NOT ALLOW blood transfusions at all even if its your own blood.



You could create a thread about that in the P & R forum. Let's not derail this thread, please stay on topic.

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Reply #288 posted 06/02/16 12:44pm

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KingSausage said:

savvy said:

Ok. I see a rather generous use of the word "accident" here. If it was purely accidental, then why was he about to get help from an addiction doctor?

He knew there was a problem. He could have fixed it in Moline, but pretense prevented that because they couldn't guarantee a private room.

Prince was supposedly a big fan of personal responsibility, and self-reliance. There is no one to blame but Prince himself. Not "big pharma", not Kirk Johnson, not Denise, not the Paisley Park receptionist, not Tim McVeigh, not ISIS. Prince alone did this to Prince. He had a chance to save himself and he ditched it.

He may not have taken one pill ignoring that it might have been his last, but he had other chances to take care of himself and he didn't.

Yes, Prince decided to take these medications himself and appears to have made other decisions that were unwise (e.g. leaving the hospital just because he couldn't get a private room). However, that doesn't make his overdose deliberate. His overdose was accidental. His intent when taking the medication was to ease pain, not to die.

It's also possible he was taking the medication recreationally (which is a known use of Fentanyl) without the intent to die as well. We just don't know. That's the tough part of this whole thing...

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Reply #289 posted 06/02/16 12:45pm

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babynoz said:

From your link. eek

The FDA reported in April 2012 that young children had died or become seriously ill from accidental exposure to a fentanyl skin patch.


Can't believe that it's so potent that children can die from contact with a patch...

...And Prince wasn't much heavier than a ten year-old child. sad
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Reply #290 posted 06/02/16 12:45pm

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There were never going to be acceptable answers to our questions... He went way too soon no matter what the cause. A beautiful soul has left this planet and no amount of investigation, speculation or litigation is going to fill that void. I'm just gonna keep doing what I've been doing for more than a month now and that is play one of his albums from start to finish every evening and find a bit of comfort in the fact that I was here at the right time to witness most of it... Rip
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Reply #291 posted 06/02/16 12:45pm

laurarichardso
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computerblue77 said:



laurarichardson said:


--- JW are saying their is nothing in their doctrine that stop surgery. You can even use your own blood for a transfusion. My guess he was being stubborn and did not want to take off time from working. Look on Prince vault he had no long breaks from touring from 2010 on. He also could have hip issues from sitting at desk all day. Everybody who has hip replacement surgery he is not jumping or running.


This is incorrect misinformation.


JW DO NOT ALLOW blood transfusions at all even if its your own blood.


--- That is not what JWs are saying and he had a long scar on his leg so he had some procedure.
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Reply #292 posted 06/02/16 12:46pm

Mkilpatrick74

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:



mrwiggles said:


PurpleGypsy52 said:
True. I had back surgery that did no fix my problem. Only made it worse.

I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.


-/ I have been saying all along he had cancer but this report said no other issues which for age was good.


Actually it says not applicable. But still it just doesn't matter. The dose was too much for his body.
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Reply #293 posted 06/02/16 12:46pm

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Junglehop said:

mimi1956 said:

But what about the autopsy, was the Fentanyl for a specific problem, it is a cancer drug. What test results was the Dr. taking to him the day he was found dead. There are still so many unanswered questions.

Fentanyl is not just a cancer drug - stop spreading alarmist falsehoods. Fentanyl is used for a wide range of pain management such as osteoporosis, arthritic pain, and yes hip pain before and post surgery. Do some research and educate yourself... …and quit with the conspiracy theories and burying your head in the sand.

It's also commonly used as a recreational drug...

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Reply #294 posted 06/02/16 12:46pm

PurpleGypsy52

mrwiggles said:

PurpleGypsy52 said:



True. I had back surgery that did no fix my problem. Only made it worse.


I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.


There comes a point with chronic pain that Percocet doesn't help. Next option is fentanyl. My doctor tried to prescribe it years ago. I told him no way I would deal with the pain because there isn't anything that is much stronger and I wanted more options, God forbid for the future. Unless you live with chronic pain every day, you have no idea what it is like. So it didn't surprise me that he was taking fentany. I pass no judgment on Prince and never will. Chronic pain is horrible. I know first hand.
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Reply #295 posted 06/02/16 12:46pm

RiotPaisley

Junglehop said:

leadline said:



jaawwnn said:


Poor guy, he must have been in so much pain sad

RIP dude. Still my hero for life rose





I don't think it means he was in so much pain at all, why do so many folks think Prince would pop these pills like they were skittles to get the pain away, when doing so is akin to suicide.

Prince was smarter than that and had a much stronger will than anyone I can think of. If anything these opiods reacted with something else imo.



Nobody, not even Prince, is "smarter" or "stronger" than a full blown addiction. Drug addiction is insidious and has robbed the world of many beautiful and intelligent souls. He would have known he had a problem but fighting it alone is near impossible. Opiate addiction can become all consuming and is hideously overpowering, it's not a matter of using common sense to overcome it, you are its mercy and it'll take you to the precipice of death many times and you still won't be able to stop. Yes, popping pills like that is akin to suicide but that's why it is called addiction. Prince was intelligent, he was strong willed, but he was human, and sadly millions of us die every year to addiction. I feel for him, it would have been an excruciating fight, his soul must have been crying in pain to overcome it. I truly believe doctors have a lot to answer for, if you look into it, opiate addiction and overdoses are a hidden modern day epidemic. We have to change the way we treat pain management, it's killing far too many every single day.



Yeah. Some of the smartest people I know are fighting this demon. It's a hell of a drug and one to avoid if you can. Withdrawal symptoms can happen just after a few days of use.
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Reply #296 posted 06/02/16 12:47pm

gigilamorosa

PeteSilas said:



mrwiggles said:


PurpleGypsy52 said:
True. I had back surgery that did no fix my problem. Only made it worse.

I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.



No cofactors were listed as contributing to cause of death. You can be pretty certain he didn't have cancer, or HIV, or AIDS.
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Reply #297 posted 06/02/16 12:49pm

Mkilpatrick74

PurpleGypsy52 said:

mrwiggles said:



I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.


There comes a point with chronic pain that Percocet doesn't help. Next option is fentanyl. My doctor tried to prescribe it years ago. I told him no way I would deal with the pain because there isn't anything that is much stronger and I wanted more options, God forbid for the future. Unless you live with chronic pain every day, you have no idea what it is like. So it didn't surprise me that he was taking fentany. I pass no judgment on Prince and never will. Chronic pain is horrible. I know first hand.


I can second that one!!! Would not wish my pain on my worst enemy.
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Reply #298 posted 06/02/16 12:49pm

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gigilamorosa said:

PeteSilas said:

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.

No cofactors were listed as contributing to cause of death. You can be pretty certain he didn't have cancer, or HIV, or AIDS.

More then fairly cetrain. It's there in black and white. It's a fact. No other contributing factors. No other signifigant conditions. That ends the speculation on that front.

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Reply #299 posted 06/02/16 12:50pm

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Junglehop said:

mimi1956 said:

But what about the autopsy, was the Fentanyl for a specific problem, it is a cancer drug. What test results was the Dr. taking to him the day he was found dead. There are still so many unanswered questions.

Fentanyl is not just a cancer drug - stop spreading alarmist falsehoods. Fentanyl is used for a wide range of pain management such as osteoporosis, arthritic pain, and yes hip pain before and post surgery. Do some research and educate yourself... …and quit with the conspiracy theories and burying your head in the sand.

According to the National Institute of Health fentanyl should be used only to treat breakthrough cancer pain (sudden episodes of pain that occur despite around-the-clock treatment with pain medication) in cancer patients at least 18 years of age (or at least 16 years of age if taking Actiq brand lozenges) who are taking regularly scheduled doses of another narcotic (opiate) pain medication, and who are tolerant (used to the effects of the medication) to narcotic pain medications.This medication should not be used to treat pain other than chronic cancer pain

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/m...3.html#why

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