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Reply #90 posted 06/01/16 4:59am

Redisabsurd

CherryMoon57 said:

Redisabsurd said:

Oh, this hurts so much. I am all in tears now and I am still hurt why somebody would talk so disrespectfully about someone who gave his all.

Exactely. Prince wasn't just some sort of disposable convenience. He was a person with a story and emotions, and like everyone of us he deserved some respect, especially at this time. I'm sorry this made you cry though hug

Thank you for the hug. I need it badly.

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Reply #91 posted 06/01/16 6:55am

suomynona

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You lost me with your placement of the apostrophe.

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Reply #92 posted 06/01/16 7:03am

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AlexHahn said:

Despite my distaste for the way this post is written, I would have largely agreed with some of its core points about Prince’s post-Emancipation output until recently.

After completing my biography of Prince in about 2000, I found nothing in records like Musicology or 3121 to re-kindle my interest or to dispel my view that Emancipation was his last great work. As far as live performances, I have always had my issues with Prince outside of the aftershow context, so I didn’t find much to keep me on board there either.

However, in the course of re-connecting with Prince and people here in the course of working to update my book, my eyes have been opened somewhat. There is some great material to be discovered. Phase 2 certainly contains some fun stuff, and frankly LotusFlower (the main disc) is quite excellent. Cuts like Boom, Colonized Mind, and Dreamer can’t be discounted as meaningful parts of Prince’s canon.

As far as live stuff, being exposed to the wealth of stuff on YouTube and also the Indigo Nights record has convinced me that the key development in Prince’s career over the last 12 years is that he became quite possibly the best live performer on the planet, and certainly the greatest funk performer that there has even been. His guitar playing has improved markedly, as has his mastery as a bandleader.

So, ultimately I believe the OP quite overstates the case, despite articulating (if it can be called that) a view that some people share in some measure.

PS -- can someone tell me to how to add spaces between paragraphs on the org? Can't seem to figure it out!

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I understand where you and the OP are coming from, and I also understand why the OP dislikes some of the "Vegas" nature of shows like Musicology or some of the Welcome 2...shows because I wasn´t a big fan of the big bands with huge horn sections and same old setlists .

However, I still liked those shows, still found moments of greatness in them, still enjoyed his post-Emancipation output (in my opinion, there are at least three or four songs on every Prince album released post Emancipation that are right up there with his greatest material from the 80s). .

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And, this may have nothing to do with the live shows and the music but keep in mind that the man lost his baby , his marriage, another baby, his mom, his dad and his aunt in a very short time span, and then his second marriage failed as well. Just ONE of these incidents would have damaged mere mortals for a long time but Prince kept on touring, kept on releasing, kept on writing interesting songs, never let himself go, never looked messy, never had any big scandals, kept supporting underprivileged people, and kept a smile.

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The ONA tour and the 2002 celebration were great musical experiences, and the Montreux shows were incredible, all of them except maybe for the one where he had Shelby and the others sing Strays of the World...that show was not my cup of tea.

But most other gigs in Montreux were right up there with his most legendary live shows, maybe even better in musical terms.

That Montreux show where he played In A Large Room With No Lights, the one with that extended instrumental jamming towards the end of the song is among my favorite live moments in Prince´s career, the same goes for the incredible Melkweg shows he did in Amsterdam in 2011....just sheer brilliance.

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His new interpretation of When We´re Dancing Close and Slow during the Melkweg show was, in my opinion, one of the greatest moments ever, right up there with any great moment from the 80s. Other musicians past their heyday get old, become, lazy and spoiled, and here you have an artist who takes an old song from his second album and turns it into something else, into a magical moment, and he knows it, and yet he does not let the people record it or sell a DVD of that show just because.....

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Or how he played that slow, stretched version of Little Red Corvette in Montreux and Melkweg. Pure magic, pure talent and passion , and I actually prefer those performances of that song over any other rendition he ever did.

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People dissed him for his afro and his later looks but that video of him and Donna Grantis playing I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man in Amsterdam, which was posted officially by 3rdEyeGirl, was a moment of rock guitar heaven, and I loved the chemistry both had and his looks, too. If he gained inspiration from younger musicians such as Donna and the result were energetic moments like that, then more power to him.

I wish Prince had quit the physically demanding dancing and jumping around parts of his live shows right after Diamonds and Pearls and would have focussed more on the music because he knew how to create magic until the very last moment.

Just watch those final minutes of his final show and tell me he lost it.

He never lost it but most of us are guilty for pushing him way too hard and criticizing his every move and every decision.

I hope you´ll update your next book a bit and take all factors into consideration, and also focus on those moments that are proof that he never lost anything.

Some of his later shows are right up there with his very best, including the untouchable 80s.

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Reply #93 posted 06/01/16 6:01pm

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If we could just turn back time.....

RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called: 'Life'."
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Reply #94 posted 06/01/16 6:58pm

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PurpleSpirit319 said:

... For the past 2 decades I have refused to acknowledge him as the Prince that I once knew and LOVED!! I have mourned and wept bitterly EVERYDAY his "passing away" since 1996!! All that needed was for him to die, physically in the flesh, which happened on the 21st April, 2016. I will always remember and treasure Prince, but sadly not the Prince that he eventually became!!

That was such a cold statement! If I did feel that way I would have kept it to myself. That's just me.

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Reply #95 posted 06/01/16 7:14pm

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By reading the replies maybe your opinion should have been based on something such as a song P produced. To speak of him dying back in 1996 makes no sense. To need him to die in the flesh? You needed that? You need some schooling. That's very disrespectful.

If P's music didn't give you what you were looking for then "stage exit out" should have been your next move.

This was not the time nor place for THAT view. The majority of the fam here is truly mourning. You wasted time and space creating this thread.

Now you got me writing essays and that's not my style.
"I don't make the rules. I just play"
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Reply #96 posted 06/02/16 1:03pm

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my POV is basically the same as yours, PurpSpi.I got into Prince in 1980, when I was 12 years old. like you, Prince TOTALLY BLEW ME AWAY with his musicianship, style & audacity to challenge the "status quo" of music at that time.


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I too find (found) his music - after 1993, really - to be mostly inferior to ALL of the BRILLIANT music he made between 1978-87.
after he admitted (in about 2000?) that his name change was basically to get out of his contract with WB, I lost my interest in him. he sued websites & put out music inferior to what he had put out in the 80s..


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the last "Prince" album I bought was "new power soul" & I regret buying that to this day. yes of course Prince is a grown man & can follow (or not follow) whatever religion/belief/movement he wants.I understand that as a uniquely prolific artist who did not want to be confined or limited in his output - albeit, output of lesser quality - it was Prince's right to work with (or not work with) any label or distributor.


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so then I basically stopped listening to Prince & following him in about 1999.


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like every other Prince fan, I was shocked & shaken to hear of his passing. I have cried - & continue to cry - when I hear certain songs of his, like "purple rain" or "another lonely Christmas" & a few others. since his passing, I have WORN OUT listening to all of his great music from the 78-87 period. it's almost like I've "rediscovered" his musical brilliance.


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because I "disconnected" from Prince many years ago.. for me - just like for PurpSpi - I feel his loss not as strongly as many others have. I really feel for those who are still struggling to accept this sad reality. I can imagine how difficult it must be.


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as much as I miss Prince & appreciate how much he affected & influenced my life.. I am working to content myself with all that excellent music he did make.. & I anticipate listening to the great gems that will eventually be released from this famous "vault" we've heard about for so many years..


I think for those of us who grew up w/prince (in the 80's) this was the case. I loved Prince from his very beginning but found it increasingly hard to follow where he was going past the mid-90's. This prob had as much to do w/my personal life and where I was at. Prince didn't make it easy for his fans for sure thru all the record label stuff and the haphazard way he got his music out there and the sheer volume of stuff he released. It could he a chore finding those gems amongst all the filler. So altho he remained on my radar I didn't pay as much attention again until the last few years. Circumstances in my personal life allowed me the time once again to devote to my interests and Prince once again became a major focal point. I actually loved his current look and found it very fitting, as well as his musical output. I was actually surprised (and relieved) to learn he was still creating and performing at the level he was. I was hysterically happy when he released AOA and PE and my obsession w/Prince was once again in high gear. I've been taking the time to go back and experience what he produced during those years I largely dismissed and can honestly say it's only made my respect and adoration of Prince grow by leaps and bounds. All of this of course has made his passing a very painful experience and one of the hardest things I've had to accept and deal with in a long time. Perhaps the OP thought sharing that she wasn't grieving his death since he basically didn't exist anymore in her eyes would somehow comfort those of us feeling the loss so deeply. Sadly that approach didn't work (for me at least) if that was the intention of this thread - still hurts like hell that he's gone.
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Reply #97 posted 06/02/16 4:35pm

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jimmy3121 said:

PurpleSpirit319 said:

I have removed the offending sentence!! I am so sorry, if it upset everyone!!

Say what you mean and mean what you say....no need to say sorry and that is the problem today everyone saying sorry....if folks get offended they can move on.

I didn't agree with it myself but you are entitled to your opinion- seems like many on here just want to hear what they want to hear .

All kindsa folks liked Prince on various levels, at certain times and most certainly with various opinions.

So folks in various spectrums say how they feel...... so what...and again at least PurpleSpirit319 knows more of the Prince catalog than most mainstream folks out there.

I agree with jimmy3121, and appreciate your bravery in sharing your thoughts, PurpleSpirit319.

Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince
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Reply #98 posted 06/02/16 9:23pm

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roxy831 said:

jimmy3121 said:

Say what you mean and mean what you say....no need to say sorry and that is the problem today everyone saying sorry....if folks get offended they can move on.

I didn't agree with it myself but you are entitled to your opinion- seems like many on here just want to hear what they want to hear .

All kindsa folks liked Prince on various levels, at certain times and most certainly with various opinions.

So folks in various spectrums say how they feel...... so what...and again at least PurpleSpirit319 knows more of the Prince catalog than most mainstream folks out there.

I agree with jimmy3121, and appreciate your bravery in sharing your thoughts, PurpleSpirit319.

I am sorry, I disagree with this thought that this was bravery. Criticism of his work is one thing but saying that he died for the OP 20 years ago and he/she was only waiting for his physical passing is just too cold and brutal a statement to make. It doesn't show anything about Prince's inability to move the OP through his music but sure shows how genuine a human the OP is. Expressing opinion and bad-mouthing someone just after their death are as separate as the poles and is not bravery but a lack of respect for someone's whole corpus when we are nowhere even close to the talent the man possessed. Shame, for real.

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Reply #99 posted 06/03/16 5:36am

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Redisabsurd said:

roxy831 said:

I agree with jimmy3121, and appreciate your bravery in sharing your thoughts, PurpleSpirit319.

I am sorry, I disagree with this thought that this was bravery. Criticism of his work is one thing but saying that he died for the OP 20 years ago and he/she was only waiting for his physical passing is just too cold and brutal a statement to make. It doesn't show anything about Prince's inability to move the OP through his music but sure shows how genuine a human the OP is. Expressing opinion and bad-mouthing someone just after their death are as separate as the poles and is not bravery but a lack of respect for someone's whole corpus when we are nowhere even close to the talent the man possessed. Shame, for real.

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Highly sensitive. I get that.

Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince
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Reply #100 posted 06/03/16 5:46am

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One thing is for sure - "Blackstar" by David Bowie is VASTLY OVERRATED - and I'm a Bowie fan.

I think most people going around saying how good that album have never really heard it...

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Reply #101 posted 06/03/16 5:49am

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One thing is for sure - "Blackstar" by David Bowie is VASTLY OVERRATED - and I'm a Bowie fan.

I think most people going around saying how good that album have never really heard it...

David Bowie???

Who Cares?

Your on a Prince site & a thread about Prince.

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Reply #102 posted 06/03/16 6:32am

lynx

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lynx said:

One thing is for sure - "Blackstar" by David Bowie is VASTLY OVERRATED - and I'm a Bowie fan.

I think most people going around saying how good that album have never really heard it...

David Bowie???

Who Cares?

Your on a Prince site & a thread about Prince.

It was mentioned in the original post in case you missed it...

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Reply #103 posted 06/03/16 12:22pm

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PurpleSpirit319 said:

jasopig said:

Possibly my favorite line: "Plus, the fact that over the past couple of decades, he was making more and more music to appeal to the record buying public which exists now in order to still stay relevant and his art was suffering because it!!"

Yes, The Rainbow Children was such a blatant attempt at radio friendly sellout. I have to now assume you wrote this tongue in cheek.

There again I preferred Lovesexy and/or The Symbol album for his attempts at a concept album!! The Rainbow Children was a total mess to me!!

Missed the point much?!

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Reply #104 posted 06/03/16 5:38pm

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I dont agree with the opinons - but to each their own, I actually like all his work overall as it all showed growth and change which is what we do as we get older. I really appreciate it all even more now he is not here and hope I learn something more as my appreciation deepens. I loved the older Prince so much - it was refreshing seeing him acting like a gentleman in all he did.



Nicely put. I agree totally agree with you.
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Reply #105 posted 06/03/16 5:59pm

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Prince made music for himself - he graciously invited us - friends- along for the ride and we were happy to take that ride with him. There are those that take an exit ramp from time to time and then find themselves taking the on ramp later in the journey and those that stayed in the car the whole way. It doesn't matter how you took the ride, it's that you did. Remember that the scenery is always changing or it would be a boring ride. Thanks Prince for taking us. Peace, Love and Healing. biggrin



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Reply #106 posted 06/03/16 9:02pm

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koortl said:

meagemini2 said:

Prince made music for himself - he graciously invited us - friends- along for the ride and we were happy to take that ride with him. There are those that take an exit ramp from time to time and then find themselves taking the on ramp later in the journey and those that stayed in the car the whole way. It doesn't matter how you took the ride, it's that you did. Remember that the scenery is always changing or it would be a boring ride. Thanks Prince for taking us. Peace, Love and Healing. biggrin

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Reply #107 posted 06/04/16 6:20am

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lynx said:

One thing is for sure - "Blackstar" by David Bowie is VASTLY OVERRATED - and I'm a Bowie fan.



I think most people going around saying how good that album have never really heard it...



thats weird...im not a Bowie fan at all, and i think its great album, with a compellingly haunting aesthetic to it...theres only 7 songs...the title song, Lazarus, Tis A Pity She Was A Whore, and I Cant Give Everything Away, are as good if not better than what ive ever heard from him...and thats over half the album...ill never forget playing the song Black Star in my house and my Yorkshire Terrier started shaking real bad...as soon as the song stopped, she stopped shaking...put it back on, and she starts shaking again...the scene completely scared the shit out of my wife...havent played the album since...
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Reply #108 posted 06/04/16 6:29am

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"i think it's a great album, with a compellingly haunting aesthetic to it".............me too. As dark as it is, I think it's brilliant. Many orgers praised it and now with P's recent events, "A.O.A" is starting to seem like his similar send off record. Didn't think that when it was released but some of the orgers gave interesting examples.

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Reply #109 posted 06/04/16 9:41am

mailaccount63

trc1 said:

By reading the replies maybe your opinion should have been based on something such as a song P produced. To speak of him dying back in 1996 makes no sense. To need him to die in the flesh? You needed that? You need some schooling. That's very disrespectful. If P's music didn't give you what you were looking for then "stage exit out" should have been your next move. This was not the time nor place for THAT view. The majority of the fam here is truly mourning. You wasted time and space creating this thread. Now you got me writing essays and that's not my style.


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RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called: 'Life'."
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