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Reply #210 posted 06/14/16 4:45pm

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nonesuch said:

witnessmystyle said:

I absolutely agree with the overall sentiment that you are expressing and statements. I will say that I have had the privilege to travel to many countries and each has its own unique history and issues. Also, all of our Histories effect us individually wheather we are concious of it or not. The church has played a very specific role in America for African Americans. I am not sure that many white people here or in other countries really understand that. I have real issues with most organized religions because they are ALL Patriarchal. However, I see a great distinction between someones personal beliefs (and the power they wield with that) and an Institution. I have never heard one story of P. saying anything directly anti-gay. If you are referring to his quotes where he tapped the Bible... well I would say that it could apply to "heterosexuals' too since sodomy is not an exclusively "homosexual" act and many heterosexual men and women enjoy it. To me that alleged quote from him seemed really like something he just spewed in the moment and how Patriarchal his definition of sex (PIV) was. Again, there is a huge difference between someones personal belief and them advocating laws/policy. Also, he certainly had many lesbian/gay friends he worked with throughout the years. If anything during his fundamentalist years, he had my profound sympathy because I beieve in a way he was punishing himself for what he believed where "sins" of his youth. To me, it's those types of things that I judge someone on. I hope your partner can come to a place of love and acceptance.

Thank you for your reply. I find it difficult to "judge" on anyone as long as she/he is not judging on anyone else. Having said that, it's probably not apllicable to be judgemental on anything at all. People are being what they are and ultimately there's no reason for me to raise my voice against any one of us. Indeed, I have a strong feeling that it is mostly weak people who judge on other people. To be judgemental is an expression of fear. But then again, do I have a right to feel that judging on anyone is an expression of fear? The whole idea of one breed of people thinking that they're superior to others is the origin of all destruction. The burning cross in the land of the cotton bears the same symbolism as the bullets that killed 50 people in Orlando. Unfortunately, mankind hasn't evolved far enough yet to accept that there is no us and them. There's only us and as I had said earlier, we're all in this together. If a cop thinks he's doing a service to "his" society by killing a man of color, he's directing a bullet in my direction as well, because I may not apply to his conception of being an acceptable part of "his" society. But in fact we all are. Life isn't judging on anything. Nature isn't judging on anything. Life is. Period. In all its different glory. So, let's hope that being judgemental on anything will soon be a thing of the past, so that we can get along and feel as worthy as anyone else. I am sure that Prince did struggle with a lot of personal stuff. As much as any of us. And maybe he was as weak as any of us. Maybe his weakness forced him to point to the bible more than once in his latter years. Maybe he gained power and money and a superior understanding of music to overshadow his weak side. If that's the case he had a lot more in common with the average gay man than he might have prefered to. I like weak people, they make me feel comfortable, because I am as weak as anyone.

I knew judgement would prob be a trigger word-which is exactly why i use it. As it has come out of favor with the current way the masses are taught to think. Which is a key factor in how the elite have always controlled the public. We all make judgements. You made a judgement to join this site; if i use the word decision would your action have been any different? Judgement is not what caused the most recent violent shootings. The shooter was a male. As has been EVERY other mass shooter. About 99% of them have been white. The same stats can apply to Serial Killers, which it's no coincidence that the US also hosts 99% of. It has NEVER been the African American Churches who have persued public policy against gays (they are not the gatekeepers) it has been the white churches. It is not using (nor making) things like personal judgements that cause these problems although the psycho-babble crammed down the publics throats on Corp Media would like us (the masses) to believe it is all about the individual or whatever group they are attempting to demonize at the moment. It is far larger and REAL issues like Capitalism, Patriarchy (and the masculinity crisis it has caused as evidenced by MALE VIOLENCE-including Homophobia) Corp. driven profit (from the Prison Industrial complex to the Gun industry & Weapons Mfgs) and I could go on and on. It all just kind of brings me back to my initial larger point. Prince was an African American Male who thru sheer talent (with no inside connections or family pull - unlike say privileged white wendy & lisa) got where he did and to the level he did on his own in a Corp system that has historically mistreated African American Musicans (along with some poor whites but not to the same extent) and taken advantage of them while making BILLIONS in profit from music which mostly comes from African Americans. He produced 100s of amazing songs over 40 yrs and ppl want to hone in on one or two songs or one or two statements he was alleged to have made. I say again, that I feel he is being judged by a different standard where ppl do not take into account important History or issues esp his overall longterm behavior & words-and that is what I use to DETERMINE someones character and make a DECISION as to how I feel about them as an individual. As a Musician he didn't have anyone in his league except perhaphs Mingus or Ellington in this century but still not really. Hope that clarifies my position. I wish you well.

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Reply #211 posted 06/17/16 11:04am

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GirlBrother said:

iloveyeshua said:
If the shoe fits 😀. Murder comes in many forms...spiritual and physical. Either way, it's a decision to kill.
Your responses are fucking killing me. My sides are splitting. lol

Glad you think so biggrin.

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Reply #212 posted 06/17/16 11:05am

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iloveyeshua said:
I can only speak for myself...which I did 😀
You sound like every other religious person I've ever encountered. You're speaking for the hive mind.

If it makes you feel better about your situation, I'll be that!!! LOL

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Reply #213 posted 06/17/16 11:10am

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The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Prince was a bisexual whom was in heavy denial of his capacity to find other men sexually attractive.

It's a shame you would have to make Prince gay or bisexual for you to feel better about who you are...Why can't you just be happy accepting yourself and your life without having to force others to approve of it? Why does Prince have to be bisexual or approve of the LGBTQ community at all? Your life is your life, my life is mine and his life was his alone to live as he saw fit. Disagreeing with you doesn't make me a bigot any more than it make you a heterophobe. I'm just saying...

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Reply #214 posted 06/17/16 2:47pm

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rogifan said:


Why do I get the feeling it's gay people who are convinced he was secretly gay or bi?


Because it takes one to know one.

No because for some reason gay people are obsessed with thinking everyone is secretly gay. Why do you need Prince to be gay (when it's so blatantly obvious he wasn't)?
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Reply #215 posted 06/18/16 12:34am

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GirlBrother said:
Because it takes one to know one.
No because for some reason gay people are obsessed with thinking everyone is secretly gay. Why do you need Prince to be gay (when it's so blatantly obvious he wasn't)?

Becaus we want all halfway interesting people to follow us on our sinful path towards hell.

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Reply #216 posted 06/20/16 2:14pm

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rogifan said:

GirlBrother said: No because for some reason gay people are obsessed with thinking everyone is secretly gay. Why do you need Prince to be gay (when it's so blatantly obvious he wasn't)?

Becaus we want all halfway interesting people to follow us on our sinful path towards hell.

lol lol biggrin biggrin

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Reply #217 posted 06/20/16 2:16pm

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rogifan said:

GirlBrother said: No because for some reason gay people are obsessed with thinking everyone is secretly gay. Why do you need Prince to be gay (when it's so blatantly obvious he wasn't)?

Becaus we want all halfway interesting people to follow us on our sinful path towards hell.

We are all going there heteros,gays, bisexuals and paedophiles and whatnot do not worry, we're all going down the road.

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