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Reply #150 posted 06/03/16 8:45am

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He took G out of alphabet street, maybe it's a clue lol


Genius. cool
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Reply #151 posted 06/03/16 8:47am

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eek

What? I'll have to listen to that again...
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Reply #152 posted 06/03/16 9:11am

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I knew a guy once who was brilliantly funny - like one of the funniest commedians you could hope to see live funny- and also very smart... Who also was a full time skirt chaser .... i mean , I don't think I have met many males who seem so very geared towards attracting females.

His humor was likely also a strategy for attracting mates - not unlike music has a lot to do with a man getting women (one of Prince's early memories of his father was of seeing him perform surrounded by beautiful female dancers, and making his mind up then and there to follow in his dad's footsteps).

But this fellow that I knew, also confided that he cross dressed and occasionally also expressed a sexual attraction to males. In between, of course, the exhausting attentions to numerous gorgeous women.

I see similarities between this guy and Prince. From how funny they both apparently were, to their hyper sexuality, to their rampant chasing of females and alpha male posing (tHis guy was like Rik Mayall portraying Lord Flasheart in "Blackadder" though Prince was different but still an Alpha Male type) and to their cross dressing and bisexuality. And also to their struggles with shyness.

...this is another feature. And it is also noted that those who struggle with identity issues or who do not fit in with society's ideas of gender/sexual identity, rather, tend to suffer much more from anxiety disorders. This guy I knew had social anxiety for a period of time during his twenties.

But I also think that the anxiety comes also from having thin boundaries in genreal. And all the felt weight of potential that comes from this.
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Reply #153 posted 06/03/16 12:10pm

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mechanicalemotion17 said:


I'm noticing a patern with you.....and its that I usually like your comments.


Only usually? lol

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Ever since reading AndrΓ© Cymone's Billboard interview on Prince after his death I've had the nagging suspicion that they were in love once. Prince's first love perhaps


Teenagers experiment. I'd be more surprised if they hadn't experimented with each other. Neither of them could be described as inhibited.

And even if they didn't experiment sexually, some friendships are so strong that they are basically non-sexual romances. It could have been love, definitely.
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Reply #154 posted 06/03/16 1:55pm

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It could have been love, definitely.

Absolutely.

In that, I don't think that their love has to have anything to do with their sexuality. Nor does their love for each other suggest anything romantic.

And I'm thinking that at least Andre has expressed love for Prince (if not vice versa) publically too. I may be wrong, but I think people can love each other without their being a romantic or sexual component being involved.

That there may have been love between the two I think it almost certain. Beyond that?

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Reply #155 posted 06/03/16 4:33pm

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joeycocopuffs said:

I'd like to add that while I was reading this old thread (Prince walks off in the middle of a photo shoot? <-- thread title) about P walking out of a Herb Ritts photoshoot because APPEARENTLY Herb complimented him of how sexy he looks?
and P told him to "burn the negatives"?

I hope he's not referring to his lifestyle, is he? eek

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Where you find that photo???

I remember saving that pic from you in another thread awhile back

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http://castijes.tumblr.com/

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Reply #156 posted 06/03/16 7:00pm

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iloveyeshua said:
So what if he personally disagreed with someone's lifestyle/sexual preference? He clearly had love for everyone as a human being. Isn't that enough? Disagreeing with a lifestyle preference doesn't make anyone hateful or mean. It just means they use their brain and are entitled to disagree.
Anybody whom thinks that an orientation is a preference, isn't using their brain. iloveyeshua said:
Freedom of speech, religion and the press. It's ok to agree to disagree. What's to forgive?
Freedom from speech, religion, and the press is just as important to many individuals.

So defensive about everything. Why? What is so offensive about someone loving their Creator and wanting to follow HIS plan for our life? What's so wrong with sharing that love so that others can be free from the weight and pressures of the world? The rules that HE gave us were for our own protection, to keep us safe. HE is not a tyrant by any means, so if HE says that HE disapproves of something, then I will disapprove of it because HE knows the plans He has for us and they are meant for good, not evil. He loved us so much that He wants to be in fellowship with us.

As a side note...my beliefs do not isolate sin to homosexuality. Adultry, lies, covetousness, greed, theft, murder and a multitude of other sins are also are unacceptable to GOD, and therefore are unacceptable to me.... in no way am I a homophobe or a bigot or whatever else. at the end of it all, we will all have to account for our life here on earth. And the funny thing is, LGBTQ mocks Christ in parades, picks on Him dying on the cross for their SINS and ours and HE will still love them anyway because that is who HE is. GOD is LOVE. When you love a child, you correct them too. if a child steals, you don't congratulate them for it. You sit them down and tell them why they shouldn't steal. You correct the behavior. My disapproval is not in hate, but it is in love. If your heart is not right in your disagreeing with Princes' beliefs, maybe you should reexamine why that is.

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Reply #157 posted 06/03/16 7:28pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Where you find that photo???

I remember saving that pic from you in another thread awhile back

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It was from an Herb Ritts gallery showing of his photos of famous people

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Reply #158 posted 06/03/16 7:42pm

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I think we can all admit that around TRC, Prince said and did things that totally contradicted his former messages of inclusion and individuality. I gravited towards Prince because I felt he made it ok to be different. At his absolute best he compelled his audience to discover their authentic selves. The deeper he got into JW teachings, the further he moved away from this. Did he not have listening parties around TRC where he told a Muslim woman to find Christ and where larry equated homosexuality to his own drug addiction?? Yuck. I just think prince was in too deep at this point. He was so intense and an all or nothing type character (in everything he did!) that I think there was a period where he fully committed himself to the religion but just like with everything else (thankfully) this waned over time.
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Reply #159 posted 06/03/16 11:31pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

joeycocopuffs said:

I'd like to add that while I was reading this old thread (Prince walks off in the middle of a photo shoot? <-- thread title) about P walking out of a Herb Ritts photoshoot because APPEARENTLY Herb complimented him of how sexy he looks?
and P told him to "burn the negatives"?

I hope he's not referring to his lifestyle, is he? eek

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Didn't Herb Ritts take these photos?

I think Mathew Rolston took these for Batman in '89. Prince only worked with Herb Ritts that one time in late 1991.

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Reply #160 posted 06/03/16 11:39pm

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Funkmeimfamous said:

I think we can all admit that around TRC, Prince said and did things that totally contradicted his former messages of inclusion and individuality. I gravited towards Prince because I felt he made it ok to be different. At his absolute best he compelled his audience to discover their authentic selves. The deeper he got into JW teachings, the further he moved away from this. Did he not have listening parties around TRC where he told a Muslim woman to find Christ and where larry equated homosexuality to his own drug addiction?? Yuck. I just think prince was in too deep at this point. He was so intense and an all or nothing type character (in everything he did!) that I think there was a period where he fully committed himself to the religion but just like with everything else (thankfully) this waned over time.

Yup, it seemed like he was moving toward a more...relaxed (for lack of a better word) spirituality at the end...

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Reply #161 posted 06/04/16 2:19am

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iloveyeshua said:

As a side note...my beliefs do not isolate sin to homosexuality. Adultry, lies, covetousness, greed, theft, murder and a multitude of other sins are also are unacceptable to GOD, and therefore are unacceptable to me....

Okay... I see where you're coming from now. Homosexuality is on the same level as murder.

Alrighty then... lol

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Reply #162 posted 06/04/16 2:26am

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iloveyeshua said:

If your heart is not right in your disagreeing with Princes' beliefs, maybe you should reexamine why that is.


Perhaps you should reexamine why so many non-heterosexuals were confused by a man wearing make-up, frilly shirts, and high heels, telling them that they were in a "dirty world" while he continued to screech like a bitch and preen like a peacock. lol

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Reply #163 posted 06/04/16 6:20am

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Prince's homophobia was the thing I really detested about him, it was the only thing, especially as he had been so open minded back in the 1980s with songs like Uptown and the gender bending imagery of Lovesexy (He seemed to be outdoing the ladies).


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The Jehovahs Witness cult is one of the most homophobic on earth, I think some of the extremo African countries like Uganda and Zimbabwe with their "Murder all the homosexuals policy" were less homophobic. Yet I felt Prince only joined that shit, so he could deflect the endless homosexual rumours judged upon him by a hyper masculine society that exists with the black male in general. Any black man who is not the me Tarzn, you Jane, big beard, heaps of lithe girls draped around their feet and wanting to ram their 12 inch long Love Jones into them imagery was considered gay.


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To the simple minded masucline clod that dominated black music and culture from the 1970s to the 1990s (There was a period of sensitivity in the late 1980s/1990s but misogynitic thuggish death rap reinforced the machine gun sexism of black male culture). You know a culture is masculine and sexist when the lyrics in their songs refer to women as bitches and hos and nothing more than containers for the thugs sperm. And along comes Prince in make up, heels, frilly clothes, girly hair (The 1979 Fran Drescher Jewish perm thing) and singing in high voice. The insecurity of Black male masculine clod culture is immediately threatened with this man singing about getting it and he looks and acts like a transexual. The same stereotypes were also labelled on MJ.


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Because these guys were so uncomfortable about being labelled gay or feminine, they hide behind the church, but not a love church like MCC but a hate cult like JW.


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Later on I did not care about sexuality, but just loved the music. Of course the occasional biblical lyric and narrow minded religious crap put me off, while I don't like the Rainbow children at all. The lyrcis are abhorrent. I also think that subscribing to a dogmatic religion with instructions is a sign for those who do not have sufficient intelligence to think for themselves or choose their own path. Prince may have been a musical genius, but to me he was the same as any other simple minded earth am flat, pentecostal church going African American who lubbed de lawd.


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Generally I find people with 3 figure IQs who respect science and reason and reject Christianity are more tolerant, whereas the intolerant group are ones who believe in creation and other church dogma and judge the LGBTQIA community for being "sinful". Prince's knowledge of global affairs and issues was minimal and selective and he closed his mind off a lot to external influences, this leads me to guess that Prince's IQ was only 2 figures, although probably in the 90s. He looked dumb that time discussing chemtrails and the latest simplistic conspiracy theories while wearing that 1880s style blouse on that talk show.


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I find personally all of the people I know who are practicing Christians are quite "simple" and have no opinion on global affairs or bigger issues beyond the household, faith and family, yet all my intelligent friends are true blue atheists and we can discuss the most worldly and scientific matters all day long.



I would query your ideas a bit. Firstly, science worshipping atheists can be quite narrowminded. Prince was also very intelligent.
It is emotional intelligence that counts when it comes to being sane and on the ball in life. Consider that aspergers is higher in atheists (and I have heard that narcissism can be high in religious extremists - both conditions are considered by some to be ver similar).
I consider my self a Buddhist and Christian. For philosophical purposes, I believe in an approach that God both exists and does not - sounds crazy, unless you understand that my meaning with this is to follow the principle of giving up your God for the new one -not unlike how a scientist will make a new discovery by considering what so far was either ignored or considered to be wrong. It attmepts to describe my inherent fallability and that whatever my understanding of reality of God is, there will be a bigger one to understand eventually. Or, there is more to learn.

...but, much easier is listening to Buddhist ideas on this. Where, I believe Buddha stated that the question of whether God exists does not make sense. Mindfulness, a Buddhist practice, involves metacognition - see Eckhart Tolle for his brilliant explanation of the importance of pure awareness and the limitations and actual insanity of worshipping the God that is thinking (the God of many an atheist I believe, where perhaps Religious fundamentalists worship rules ...there is not a lot of difference, although atheists may be inclined to trust their own ideas more than anothers' which may be better.)
You cannot put a label nor a thought that could ever capture reality, which s always changing.

But through awareness, metacognition, a person can quit chasing their tail - you can never catch up, you can never capture God/reality with thinking or with labels (except perhaps come close to an understanding) ...in any case, I have understood these ideas only so well lol!! Experiencing them would be enlightenment... But Echart Tolle and others have excellent explanations - excellent words and thinking to explain why words and thinking can't really help us to grasp reality fully, and that another part of the brain is needed in order to do this.

I think of it like depth versus breadth. Just like I actually think that
PRince had amazing focus, that through his music he achieved a meditative state -the breadth to go with his depth, or he combined the bigger picture with his narrow amazing focus for the perfect combination of brilliant sensitivity with groundedness ....at other times he could not achieve this groundedness and went off in the clouds chasing chemtrails... (he even describes his process when creating music, "watching himself create" outside of himself.. This is metacognition. And this is when he achieved a perfection, this metacognition is mindfulness and it transcends the duality of our conscious world of thought forms.

As an artist he was genius. But he probably did not understand how to do this in his life overall. This is why Buddha, Jesus and others like Echart Tolle are superior in terms of their ability to marry their ideas with their soul and higher awareness. Prince was an artist, amd however much he may have wanted to preach, he did not understand life - at least not enough to preach etc. he did have his brilliance of course, and probably it extended to his thinking and expressed ideas some of the time.

I think it is telling that he was considersd to be at his absolute peak during the 80s when he was also most open and rejecting of (sex/gender) labels. This is (though I do not mean to suggest that bisexuals or transgendered people are superior ...though it would not hurt to help their self esteem in this world) the place of supreme creativity, the "I am" state before "I am this" or "I am that". God is I am and nothing after - no label, nothing that a thought can capture. And a great creator literally makes it up as they go.

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Reply #164 posted 06/04/16 12:44pm

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GirlBrother said:



iloveyeshua said:


As a side note...my beliefs do not isolate sin to homosexuality. Adultry, lies, covetousness, greed, theft, murder and a multitude of other sins are also are unacceptable to GOD, and therefore are unacceptable to me....





Okay... I see where you're coming from now. Homosexuality is on the same level as murder.

Alrighty then... lol


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Reply #165 posted 06/04/16 12:45pm

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GirlBrother said:



iloveyeshua said:


If your heart is not right in your disagreeing with Princes' beliefs, maybe you should reexamine why that is.


Perhaps you should reexamine why so many non-heterosexuals were confused by a man wearing make-up, frilly shirts, and high heels, telling them that they were in a "dirty world" while he continued to screech like a bitch and preen like a peacock. lol


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Reply #166 posted 06/04/16 1:42pm

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iloveyeshua said:


If the shoe fits πŸ˜€. Murder comes in many forms...spiritual and physical. Either way, it's a decision to kill.


Your responses are fucking killing me. My sides are splitting. lol
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Reply #167 posted 06/04/16 1:43pm

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iloveyeshua said:


I can only speak for myself...which I did πŸ˜€


You sound like every other religious person I've ever encountered. You're speaking for the hive mind.
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Reply #168 posted 06/04/16 2:12pm

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It is really sad how conservative Prince became as he aged. The comments about it being fun in Muslim countries because there is only one religion was scary too. That would be my idea of hell being in a country where I am not allowed free will (especially as a very headstrong woman) and choice of religion (or not in my case - I used to be very religious as a child but as I hit my mid teens I eventually went through the thinking that if God made us this way he is the one that is responsible for everything we are and it was also ridiculous to judge people on whether they believed or not when he left such poor evidence to convince us and if God felt the need to judge his own creation he should be judging our hearts not our pleas to be saved on their death beds - I realised I was being a bit judgemental of my God and decided religion was no longer for me). I say this flippantly but it took several years to work through (I really tried to find a way to fit my thinking to my faith but I couldn't find a way to make it work) and it was torturous at the time.

I have noticed that I have become a little more conservative as I get older. I sometimes think "I would have never done that " but then I think back some more and often remember that I did! I have to fight that sort of thinking.

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Reply #169 posted 06/12/16 10:19am

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Although the slaughter in Orlando may not have been executed for religious reasons, it gives horrible proof once again that the forces of hate are still trying to repress us. No one is given genes that force people to hate. Hate is always being inculcated. Religion is playing no small part in that. I am a man, I love to kiss other men, I love being tenderly with other men, I love making love with men. I feel no shame about it. But I feel a strong urge to withstand the forces of hate. They won't get us all.

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Reply #170 posted 06/12/16 10:56am

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EloiseEloise said:

I knew a guy once who was brilliantly funny - like one of the funniest commedians you could hope to see live funny- and also very smart... Who also was a full time skirt chaser .... i mean , I don't think I have met many males who seem so very geared towards attracting females. His humor was likely also a strategy for attracting mates - not unlike music has a lot to do with a man getting women (one of Prince's early memories of his father was of seeing him perform surrounded by beautiful female dancers, and making his mind up then and there to follow in his dad's footsteps). But this fellow that I knew, also confided that he cross dressed and occasionally also expressed a sexual attraction to males. In between, of course, the exhausting attentions to numerous gorgeous women. I see similarities between this guy and Prince. From how funny they both apparently were, to their hyper sexuality, to their rampant chasing of females and alpha male posing (tHis guy was like Rik Mayall portraying Lord Flasheart in "Blackadder" though Prince was different but still an Alpha Male type) and to their cross dressing and bisexuality. And also to their struggles with shyness. ...this is another feature. And it is also noted that those who struggle with identity issues or who do not fit in with society's ideas of gender/sexual identity, rather, tend to suffer much more from anxiety disorders. This guy I knew had social anxiety for a period of time during his twenties. But I also think that the anxiety comes also from having thin boundaries in genreal. And all the felt weight of potential that comes from this. [Edited 6/3/16 9:14am] [Edited 6/3/16 9:16am]

I was watching the Chris Rock interview with Prince, and despite the comment about not wanting to sing "your butt is mine" to MJ, it did seem he was a bit more "open" around that time. Chris Rock asked him if some of the androgyny was also about him exploring his sexuality, and he didn't balk at the suggestion, instead saying "that's a good question," and responded that he was a "true gemini" with the suggestion that some of it was acting, and some of it was exploration.

Then... only a few years later, Prince is studying JW scripture, and I think we can all see a rather dramatic shift in his attitude.

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Reply #171 posted 06/12/16 11:11am

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Purpleone4Eva said:

EloiseEloise said:

I knew a guy once who was brilliantly funny - like one of the funniest commedians you could hope to see live funny- and also very smart... Who also was a full time skirt chaser .... i mean , I don't think I have met many males who seem so very geared towards attracting females. His humor was likely also a strategy for attracting mates - not unlike music has a lot to do with a man getting women (one of Prince's early memories of his father was of seeing him perform surrounded by beautiful female dancers, and making his mind up then and there to follow in his dad's footsteps). But this fellow that I knew, also confided that he cross dressed and occasionally also expressed a sexual attraction to males. In between, of course, the exhausting attentions to numerous gorgeous women. I see similarities between this guy and Prince. From how funny they both apparently were, to their hyper sexuality, to their rampant chasing of females and alpha male posing (tHis guy was like Rik Mayall portraying Lord Flasheart in "Blackadder" though Prince was different but still an Alpha Male type) and to their cross dressing and bisexuality. And also to their struggles with shyness. ...this is another feature. And it is also noted that those who struggle with identity issues or who do not fit in with society's ideas of gender/sexual identity, rather, tend to suffer much more from anxiety disorders. This guy I knew had social anxiety for a period of time during his twenties. But I also think that the anxiety comes also from having thin boundaries in genreal. And all the felt weight of potential that comes from this. [Edited 6/3/16 9:14am] [Edited 6/3/16 9:16am]

I was watching the Chris Rock interview with Prince, and despite the comment about not wanting to sing "your butt is mine" to MJ, it did seem he was a bit more "open" around that time. Chris Rock asked him if some of the androgyny was also about him exploring his sexuality, and he didn't balk at the suggestion, instead saying "that's a good question," and responded that he was a "true gemini" with the suggestion that some of it was acting, and some of it was exploration.

Then... only a few years later, Prince is studying JW scripture, and I think we can all see a rather dramatic shift in his attitude.

Freedom can appear to be dangerous to people. Prince was seeking freedom in all possible ways. Once he gained most of what he was seeking he was somehow lost. That happens to quite a few people. Once people are free of whatever they felt supressed by, they're looking out for the handrail that they used to rely on. I think he had lost somewhere on his way to personal and artistic freedom and need religion as his personal handrail. It's always those who are not free that want to supress other people's right to choose. What did he do once he gained freedom from the "evil empire Warner Bros."? Not much of significance, right?

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Reply #172 posted 06/12/16 12:30pm

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I don't think Prince had a hateful bone in his body but he was clearly a heterosexual male and I'm not convinced he was all that comfortable with homosexuality (though again he certainly didn't hate gay people). This quote from an Entertainment Weekly interview from 2004 clearly indicates he was uncomfortable holding hands with another man.

Being a role model doesn't mean Prince lacks mentors of his own, like Stevie Wonder. "His insight is priceless," says Prince. It's easy to see why he would connect with Wonder. Both are undisputed musical geniuses who fought for -- and got -- total creative control over their music. Prince Rogers Nelson was just 19 when he signed a multimillion-dollar, three-album deal with Warner Bros. in 1977. A wunderkind from Minneapolis who could play a dozen instruments by ear and wanted to combine James, Jimi, and Sly into a single, idiosyncratic sound, Prince used his freedom to create three albums of mounting brilliance that set the stage for his '80s reign -- and, perhaps, for a profound sense of entitlement.
So what is he learning from Stevie these days? "I just learn by watching him," he says. "One day, he wanted to show me what it's like for him to experience the world, to actually feel a piece of music, so he held my hand. Here, hold my hand." Prince extends his palm, and I take it. It's warm and dry, and his nails are exquisitely manicured. "Now at first, it's like 'Whoa, I'm holding hands with a man!'" He quickly released his grip and throws his hands up. "Now, those thoughts and feelings are mine, and we all have to work those things out for ourselves. But then I started thinking what it means for Stevie to be able to hold someone's hand -- anyone's hand, even a man's. He's telling me he respects me. And by extension, he's teaching me that I have to have that same respect for everybody in life."
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Reply #173 posted 06/12/16 12:52pm

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I don't think Prince had a hateful bone in his body but he was clearly a heterosexual male and I'm not convinced he was all that comfortable with homosexuality (though again he certainly didn't hate gay people). This quote from an Entertainment Weekly interview from 2004 clearly indicates he was uncomfortable holding hands with another man.
Being a role model doesn't mean Prince lacks mentors of his own, like Stevie Wonder. "His insight is priceless," says Prince. It's easy to see why he would connect with Wonder. Both are undisputed musical geniuses who fought for -- and got -- total creative control over their music. Prince Rogers Nelson was just 19 when he signed a multimillion-dollar, three-album deal with Warner Bros. in 1977. A wunderkind from Minneapolis who could play a dozen instruments by ear and wanted to combine James, Jimi, and Sly into a single, idiosyncratic sound, Prince used his freedom to create three albums of mounting brilliance that set the stage for his '80s reign -- and, perhaps, for a profound sense of entitlement. So what is he learning from Stevie these days? "I just learn by watching him," he says. "One day, he wanted to show me what it's like for him to experience the world, to actually feel a piece of music, so he held my hand. Here, hold my hand." Prince extends his palm, and I take it. It's warm and dry, and his nails are exquisitely manicured. "Now at first, it's like 'Whoa, I'm holding hands with a man!'" He quickly released his grip and throws his hands up. "Now, those thoughts and feelings are mine, and we all have to work those things out for ourselves. But then I started thinking what it means for Stevie to be able to hold someone's hand -- anyone's hand, even a man's. He's telling me he respects me. And by extension, he's teaching me that I have to have that same respect for everybody in life."

I don't care whether he was or wasn't comfortable with homosexuality. No one ist forced to watch a homosexual act and no one is forced to partake in homosexual acts. If it's not your cup of tea, just brew your own. But shut the fuck up when it comes to "teach" people of what you want your god to tell you about sexuality. I don't think that the Stevie Wonder-story is of any significance, apart from the fact that Prince might have had a problem with physical contact generally. Or maybe Prince was stupid, because only an idiot would deny a sightless person the right to see by touching.

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Reply #174 posted 06/12/16 1:02pm

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Religion just causes all kinds of troubling issues. The whole JW thing was weird.

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Reply #175 posted 06/12/16 1:18pm

nonesuch

CROWNS1 said:

Religion just causes all kinds of troubling issues. The whole JW thing was weird.

...to say the least. Once again, if one has a problem with freedom, one might accept religion as a guiding line. But one has no right to teach other people of their "wrong doing", if what they like to do might clash with one's belief. Otherwise the Orlando-killer might be excused because of his religious beliefs - if he had any. We don't know yet if he was killing on behalf of the so called Islamic State. But if he had, he did chose a guiding line that was all about money, greed and hate being disguised as a religious cult.

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Reply #176 posted 06/12/16 2:29pm

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The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Prince was a bisexual whom was in heavy denial of his capacity to find other men sexually attractive.
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Reply #177 posted 06/12/16 2:40pm

nonesuch

GirlBrother said:

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Prince was a bisexual whom was in heavy denial of his capacity to find other men sexually attractive.

He could have been. Or he might have flirted with the idea for a while. He was barely 30 at the time he had written some of his freethinking-manifestation. He was certainly open to a lot of things at that time. But if he ever was attracted to a man - who knows? What matters is that in the 80's he was very welcoming of freaky folk. I liked his vibe, then.

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Reply #178 posted 06/12/16 2:49pm

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nonesuch said:



Purpleone4Eva said:




EloiseEloise said:


I knew a guy once who was brilliantly funny - like one of the funniest commedians you could hope to see live funny- and also very smart... Who also was a full time skirt chaser .... i mean , I don't think I have met many males who seem so very geared towards attracting females. His humor was likely also a strategy for attracting mates - not unlike music has a lot to do with a man getting women (one of Prince's early memories of his father was of seeing him perform surrounded by beautiful female dancers, and making his mind up then and there to follow in his dad's footsteps). But this fellow that I knew, also confided that he cross dressed and occasionally also expressed a sexual attraction to males. In between, of course, the exhausting attentions to numerous gorgeous women. I see similarities between this guy and Prince. From how funny they both apparently were, to their hyper sexuality, to their rampant chasing of females and alpha male posing (tHis guy was like Rik Mayall portraying Lord Flasheart in "Blackadder" though Prince was different but still an Alpha Male type) and to their cross dressing and bisexuality. And also to their struggles with shyness. ...this is another feature. And it is also noted that those who struggle with identity issues or who do not fit in with society's ideas of gender/sexual identity, rather, tend to suffer much more from anxiety disorders. This guy I knew had social anxiety for a period of time during his twenties. But I also think that the anxiety comes also from having thin boundaries in genreal. And all the felt weight of potential that comes from this. [Edited 6/3/16 9:14am] [Edited 6/3/16 9:16am]


I was watching the Chris Rock interview with Prince, and despite the comment about not wanting to sing "your butt is mine" to MJ, it did seem he was a bit more "open" around that time. Chris Rock asked him if some of the androgyny was also about him exploring his sexuality, and he didn't balk at the suggestion, instead saying "that's a good question," and responded that he was a "true gemini" with the suggestion that some of it was acting, and some of it was exploration.



Then... only a few years later, Prince is studying JW scripture, and I think we can all see a rather dramatic shift in his attitude.



Freedom can appear to be dangerous to people. Prince was seeking freedom in all possible ways. Once he gained most of what he was seeking he was somehow lost. That happens to quite a few people. Once people are free of whatever they felt supressed by, they're looking out for the handrail that they used to rely on. I think he had lost somewhere on his way to personal and artistic freedom and need religion as his personal handrail. It's always those who are not free that want to supress other people's right to choose. What did he do once he gained freedom from the "evil empire Warner Bros."? Not much of significance, right?



maybe his latter music was significant to him even if the gp didn't take to it.
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Reply #179 posted 06/12/16 3:10pm

nonesuch

endiadj said:

nonesuch said:

Freedom can appear to be dangerous to people. Prince was seeking freedom in all possible ways. Once he gained most of what he was seeking he was somehow lost. That happens to quite a few people. Once people are free of whatever they felt supressed by, they're looking out for the handrail that they used to rely on. I think he had lost somewhere on his way to personal and artistic freedom and need religion as his personal handrail. It's always those who are not free that want to supress other people's right to choose. What did he do once he gained freedom from the "evil empire Warner Bros."? Not much of significance, right?

maybe his latter music was significant to him even if the gp didn't take to it.

Maybe. Prince mattered to the "gp" when he was adventurous, didn't he? And I can understand why the "gp" didn't take to Prince for this whole man-woman-shit that he had put into "The Rainbow Cildren".

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