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Reply #150 posted 05/27/16 4:54am

Rebeljuice

cardinal said:

RaspberryKiren said:

sad I didn't even think of that. How very sad sad

i do think it was the concern of the family and possibly prince himself not to risk any photos of him in death coming out. he was always so private and so careful to look good when he was seen, i think it would break his heart to think people would see him in that state. and not to be crass, but the longer the body is around and the more people have access to it, the higher the risk. also, i think it was said that he had said he did not want a big deal funeral, which is in keeping with his humble and private and jw nature.

I also think it was about money. His family had no access to Prince's money and the longer they put it off the bigger the demands of fans, friends and colleagues would become. They probably didnt have the funds for anything grand.

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Reply #151 posted 05/27/16 5:35am

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cardinal said:

MMJas said:

Aren't all elevators fitted with an emergency system?

not being a fan of elevators myself, i tend to avoid them. but i do remember the sheriff saying there was no phone in the elevator. whether or not it has an emergency button i don't know...but that is an important point. because what if prince was home alone and the elevator malfunctioned? he would need to alert someone so he didn't get stuck in there (or anyone who may have been at pp in the elevator). i guess more unknowns that we will maybe find out when the report comes out. but perhaps it means it all happened too fast to even hit an emergency button if there was one.

If no one else was in the building then pushing an emergency button probably wouldn't help. The alarm is usually internal isn't it? I'm more interested in knowing if there was a security camera.

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Reply #152 posted 05/27/16 6:34am

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luvsexy4all said:

what is the actual date when info is supposed to be known/ released???

Instead of waiting weeks, we could be waiting MONTHS...


http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...index.html


"While forensic science-themed TV shows make it look quick and easy, and the technology has improved, modern death investigations take time.......

More involved investigations can take several MONTHS." (emphasis mine)

This isn't TV, folks - it's reality. And the least we could do to honor Prince is to make sure it is done correctly. Between a choice of fast or right, we need to choose right. We need to be patient, and continue to hang together.

[Edited 5/27/16 6:38am]

RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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Reply #153 posted 05/27/16 6:37am

mailaccount63

simm0061 said:

....... I'm more interested in knowing if there was a security camera.


I am too.

RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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Reply #154 posted 05/27/16 7:02am

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simm0061 said:

cardinal said:

MMJas said: not being a fan of elevators myself, i tend to avoid them. but i do remember the sheriff saying there was no phone in the elevator. whether or not it has an emergency button i don't know...but that is an important point. because what if prince was home alone and the elevator malfunctioned? he would need to alert someone so he didn't get stuck in there (or anyone who may have been at pp in the elevator). i guess more unknowns that we will maybe find out when the report comes out. but perhaps it means it all happened too fast to even hit an emergency button if there was one.

If no one else was in the building then pushing an emergency button probably wouldn't help. The alarm is usually internal isn't it? I'm more interested in knowing if there was a security camera.

From what i know, all elevators connect to an outside entity that responds in case of an emergency. Of course, this is true for condo elevators and business elevators. An elevator in Prince house obeyed to whatever safety tules he decided, for sure, but surely there was some emergency button. And there must have been a camera, that is for certain.

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Reply #155 posted 05/27/16 8:29am

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mailaccount63 said:

simm0061 said:

....... I'm more interested in knowing if there was a security camera.


I am too.

When detectives revisted PP back on May 10th I'm sure that was part of their investigation. Trying to figure out who was in the house and if timelines are matching up. They probably gathered forensic evidence (i.e. fingerprints, etc) also.

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Reply #156 posted 05/27/16 8:38am

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MMJas said:

simm0061 said:

If no one else was in the building then pushing an emergency button probably wouldn't help. The alarm is usually internal isn't it? I'm more interested in knowing if there was a security camera.

From what i know, all elevators connect to an outside entity that responds in case of an emergency. Of course, this is true for condo elevators and business elevators. An elevator in Prince house obeyed to whatever safety tules he decided, for sure, but surely there was some emergency button. And there must have been a camera, that is for certain.

I have also read that he had the entire building (including lavatories) 'wired for sound' in case inspiration struck. I should imagine that the elevator would be no exception.

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Reply #157 posted 05/27/16 8:43am

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I'm going to operate again under the assumption that the OD is what took his life.

If he took enough to fatally suppress his CNS function and in turn his breathing, what likely happened is that as the medication started to kick in, he got very sleepy very fast. It likely came on so quickly that he just passed out and eventually stopped breathing in his sleep.

I say this because there has been a lot of speculation that he may have been struggling or trying to seek help and it's very possible (read: likely) that he didn't have time to react.
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Reply #158 posted 05/27/16 8:58am

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cardinal said:

This is true, except all first responders - police, fire, EMS - are connected to the same central dispatch system and can hear the simultaneous chatter being broadcast by dispatchers on a given radio channel. Anyone with a police scanner can listen. There are some private channels police can switch to that can't be picked by the public. Perhaps the deputies heard the chatter, were closer to Paisley Park when they heard the address - and recognized it - from dispatch and happened to get there ahead of EMS. I don't know.

It hurts my heart to now know that Prince laid collapsed in that elevator all alone in that sprawling complex with no cell phone to call anyone for help, if he was even able. It makes me incredibly sad.

i also am very sad to think of him passed away in the elevator for so long, it seems that he ended his life as he lived it, much of it alone and it breaks my heart. but i am much more concerned about what you said, whether he was there without a phone needing help. i am concerned about how long he may have been there before losing consciousnss and what transpired before he did. we know he died in an ELEVATOR, and we know he was alone, and we know he was gone for some time before found..,those sad facts will not likely change. the best we can hope for at this point is to find out that he was busy puttering around pp making music, stepped into the elevator to go somewhere, and instantly lost consciousness and passed quickly without any distress, pain or anguish. i fear that may not be the case, but i will continue to hope until i am told otherwise.

I think the elevator move was the right one. When we first heard about Prince's untimely death, Kerry Gordy was interviewed, and he clearly stated that Prince NEVER used the elevator during the years he was with him at PP. That said, it's possible that if he hadn't gotten on that elevator, it would have been much longer to find him! Just sayin'.....We don't know if he was the only one with access to his personal space on the top floor. People would have assumed he just wasn't there.

[Edited 5/27/16 9:02am]

Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince
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Reply #159 posted 05/27/16 9:20am

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so basically, the elevator did not have a phone, but may or may not have had an emergency button to reach the outside, may have been wired for voice pick up, and none of that may have mattered if prince passed out too quickly to act.

the only good news that we can possibly receive is that he was happy and busy, went to the elevator, and suddenly dropped without any angst.

honestly, if what happened is something other than that, it will be a heartbreak all over again. but i refuse to torture myself with such possibilities.
"If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #160 posted 05/27/16 12:56pm

babynoz

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cardinal said:

morningsong said: agree. for some reason, i really trust that minnesota sheriff. I think he is a stand up guy and will do the right thing by prince. also, we know that whatever comes out will be put under the microscope by the media, the heirs, and the fams. so whether it is legal/criminal matters or just medical, they gotta get it right the first time, cuz ain't gonna be no retakes on this report...once its out there, its out there for all to see and scrutinize.

Sheriff Olsen is a good man. He was a friend to Prince. He said that he stayed with Prince the whole time, up until the MEs came for him. bawl


The way the Sheriff spoke about Prince at the news conference was comforting to me too.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #161 posted 05/27/16 1:13pm

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cardinal said:


This is true, except all first responders - police, fire, EMS - are connected to the same central dispatch system and can hear the simultaneous chatter being broadcast by dispatchers on a given radio channel. Anyone with a police scanner can listen. There are some private channels police can switch to that can't be picked by the public. Perhaps the deputies heard the chatter, were closer to Paisley Park when they heard the address - and recognized it - from dispatch and happened to get there ahead of EMS. I don't know.




It hurts my heart to now know that Prince laid collapsed in that elevator all alone in that sprawling complex with no cell phone to call anyone for help, if he was even able. It makes me incredibly sad.



i also am very sad to think of him passed away in the elevator for so long, it seems that he ended his life as he lived it, much of it alone and it breaks my heart. but i am much more concerned about what you said, whether he was there without a phone needing help. i am concerned about how long he may have been there before losing consciousnss and what transpired before he did. we know he died in an ELEVATOR, and we know he was alone, and we know he was gone for some time before found..,those sad facts will not likely change. the best we can hope for at this point is to find out that he was busy puttering around pp making music, stepped into the elevator to go somewhere, and instantly lost consciousness and passed quickly without any distress, pain or anguish. i fear that may not be the case, but i will continue to hope until i am told otherwise.

I think the elevator move was the right one. When we first heard about Prince's untimely death, Kerry Gordy was interviewed, and he clearly stated that Prince NEVER used the elevator during the years he was with him at PP. That said, it's possible that if he hadn't gotten on that elevator, it would have been much longer to find him! Just sayin'.....We don't know if he was the only one with access to his personal space on the top floor. People would have assumed he just wasn't there.

[Edited 5/27/16 9:02am]


Thats interesting, so apparently he never used it yet they found him dead in the elevator. I think theres many things who doesn't make sense with his death
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Reply #162 posted 05/27/16 1:37pm

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Mumio said:

The call goes in to 911. That's the police department. Paramedics are with the fire department. It makes total sense that police are the first to arrive on the scene. Plus, there are more police "floating" around that can respond to a call than there are paramedics/firefighters.

This is true, except all first responders - police, fire, EMS - are connected to the same central dispatch system and can hear the simultaneous chatter being broadcast by dispatchers on a given radio channel. Anyone with a police scanner can listen. There are some private channels police can switch to that can't be picked by the public. Perhaps the deputies heard the chatter, were closer to Paisley Park when they heard the address - and recognized it - from dispatch and happened to get there ahead of EMS. I don't know.

It hurts my heart to now know that Prince laid collapsed in that elevator all alone in that sprawling complex with no cell phone to call anyone for help, if he was even able. It makes me incredibly sad.




So it is a fact the deputies arrived first?


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Reply #163 posted 05/27/16 1:45pm

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babynoz said:



ChanGirl said:




cardinal said:


morningsong said: agree. for some reason, i really trust that minnesota sheriff. I think he is a stand up guy and will do the right thing by prince. also, we know that whatever comes out will be put under the microscope by the media, the heirs, and the fams. so whether it is legal/criminal matters or just medical, they gotta get it right the first time, cuz ain't gonna be no retakes on this report...once its out there, its out there for all to see and scrutinize.


Sheriff Olsen is a good man. He was a friend to Prince. He said that he stayed with Prince the whole time, up until the MEs came for him. bawl




The way the Sheriff spoke about Prince at the news conference was comforting to me too.



yes, good vibes from that sheriff. he seemed quite emotional, like he was holding back tears but he was in the sheriff role and wanted to keep it together.
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And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #164 posted 05/27/16 8:01pm

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So it is a fact the deputies arrived first?



I don't recall what's been stated by officials as to who arrived first, but it would be unusual if deputies weren't first on scene. We have to call 9-1-1 occasionally where I work and there has never been an instance that police didn't arrive before the emt's/paramedics.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #165 posted 05/27/16 8:12pm

morningsong

sonshine said:

morningsong said:

So it is a fact the deputies arrived first?



I don't recall what's been stated by officials as to who arrived first, but it would be unusual if deputies weren't first on scene. We have to call 9-1-1 occasionally where I work and there has never been an instance that police didn't arrive before the emt's/paramedics.



Ok. They could have in this case as well, but there is a possibility they didn't. Just getting what's coming from where straight.
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Reply #166 posted 05/28/16 1:00am

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Eileen said:

blue22 said:

Sorry Eileen, I respectfully disagree.

On the bolded above, the doctors both agreed to treat him. Sending someone out to see him carrying medication is agreeing to treat him. That's not even half of what is wrong with your statement. Cali doctor clearly accepted him as a patient. So did other doctor.

<snip remainder>


Yes, we will agree to disagree. I don't know which country you are referencing, I reference the laws and patients rights here in Minnesota. There is too much to disagree with to go further.


Hopefully more will become confirmed and clearer in time for all.

Well, I cannot see in what parallel universe or otherwise how someone agrees to treat someone by clearing their schedule, sends an employee ahead with medication across state lines with the intention to give to another doctor to treat, how is Prince not yet their patient? I cannot see how a doctor does blood tests and then arrives at Prince's home to give the results, how is Prince not their patient?

I cannot see, believe or be even fathom how you can excuse this as Prince not being their patient.

In fact, your argument is so off, that it makes me wonder if you are disagreeing with me because you have another agenda. I just can't make sense of your argument in any way shape or form.

Genius is born, not made. Prince is a Genius. No question. RIP Legend.
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Reply #167 posted 05/28/16 4:00am

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Eileen said:


Yes, we will agree to disagree. I don't know which country you are referencing, I reference the laws and patients rights here in Minnesota. There is too much to disagree with to go further.


Hopefully more will become confirmed and clearer in time for all.

I cannot see how a doctor does blood tests and then arrives at Prince's home to give the results, how is Prince not their patient?


I never said Prince was not a patient of the doctor who reportedly visiting and/or treated him on Wed and came back with the blood test results on Thursday. I took pains in multiple paragraphs to distinguish between the doctor(s) I was talking about vs. the doctors you were talking about, and made a point of noting this to you. It sounds like you remain confused on this point or with a different understanding.

Of course once more information is confirmed (if that happens) it could turn out there are more or less doctors than what either of us think at this time.

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Reply #168 posted 05/28/16 6:50am

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MIRvmn said:

roxy831 said:

I think the elevator move was the right one. When we first heard about Prince's untimely death, Kerry Gordy was interviewed, and he clearly stated that Prince NEVER used the elevator during the years he was with him at PP. That said, it's possible that if he hadn't gotten on that elevator, it would have been much longer to find him! Just sayin'.....We don't know if he was the only one with access to his personal space on the top floor. People would have assumed he just wasn't there.

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Thats interesting, so apparently he never used it yet they found him dead in the elevator. I think theres many things who doesn't make sense with his death

That was 20 years ago when he could still manage stairs without pain. For at least the past 5 years he's even needed help getting on and off the stage.

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Reply #169 posted 05/28/16 10:45am

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simm0061 said:



MIRvmn said:


roxy831 said:


I think the elevator move was the right one. When we first heard about Prince's untimely death, Kerry Gordy was interviewed, and he clearly stated that Prince NEVER used the elevator during the years he was with him at PP. That said, it's possible that if he hadn't gotten on that elevator, it would have been much longer to find him! Just sayin'.....We don't know if he was the only one with access to his personal space on the top floor. People would have assumed he just wasn't there.


[Edited 5/27/16 9:02am]



Thats interesting, so apparently he never used it yet they found him dead in the elevator. I think theres many things who doesn't make sense with his death

That was 20 years ago when he could still manage stairs without pain. For at least the past 5 years he's even needed help getting on and off the stage.



did he really need help getting on and off stage? cuz he could still bust a move even recently. sure, not the stuff from when he was 25 but no one would expect that....
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And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #170 posted 05/28/16 10:49am

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simm0061 said:



MIRvmn said:


roxy831 said:


I think the elevator move was the right one. When we first heard about Prince's untimely death, Kerry Gordy was interviewed, and he clearly stated that Prince NEVER used the elevator during the years he was with him at PP. That said, it's possible that if he hadn't gotten on that elevator, it would have been much longer to find him! Just sayin'.....We don't know if he was the only one with access to his personal space on the top floor. People would have assumed he just wasn't there.


[Edited 5/27/16 9:02am]



Thats interesting, so apparently he never used it yet they found him dead in the elevator. I think theres many things who doesn't make sense with his death

That was 20 years ago when he could still manage stairs without pain. For at least the past 5 years he's even needed help getting on and off the stage.



Never heard he needed help getting on and off the stage.
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Reply #171 posted 05/28/16 11:22am

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Eileen said:

blue22 said:

I cannot see how a doctor does blood tests and then arrives at Prince's home to give the results, how is Prince not their patient?


I never said Prince was not a patient of the doctor who reportedly visiting and/or treated him on Wed and came back with the blood test results on Thursday. I took pains in multiple paragraphs to distinguish between the doctor(s) I was talking about vs. the doctors you were talking about, and made a point of noting this to you. It sounds like you remain confused on this point or with a different understanding.

Of course once more information is confirmed (if that happens) it could turn out there are more or less doctors than what either of us think at this time.

Nothing about my statement presents confusion whatsoever. I am clear in my views and remain so. Not confused in any way. Bemused perhaps. But not confused.

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Perhaps you are confused or did not understand my point. If the issue is that in your mind you are talking about different doctors, then my response to this is that it doesn't matter which doctors are involved, whomever agreed to treat Prince holds responsibility for their actions. That was always my point. Clear and simple. I noted those 2 doctors as the discussion has been mostly around those 2, and the media has focused on those 2 in particular.

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Of course, we can only know the full story, and what is planned when what they chose to reveal, is revealed.

Genius is born, not made. Prince is a Genius. No question. RIP Legend.
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Reply #172 posted 05/28/16 11:33am

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morningsong said:
So it is a fact the deputies arrived first?


I don't recall what's been stated by officials as to who arrived first, but it would be unusual if deputies weren't first on scene. We have to call 9-1-1 occasionally where I work and there has never been an instance that police didn't arrive before the emt's/paramedics.

Agreed, that's almost always the case. If people understand how EMS responses are handled, they'd understand that this is how it usually happens. The initial dispatch of the 911 call will be by the police dept to the police because they get the 911 calls...they in turn will dispatch fire department/paramedics. There is a specific process that is followed.

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Reply #173 posted 05/28/16 11:53am

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I cant phathom being first on the scene, what if they were Prince fans oh god ida freaked n prob passed out.

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Reply #174 posted 05/28/16 1:32pm

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cardinal said:

simm0061 said:

That was 20 years ago when he could still manage stairs without pain. For at least the past 5 years he's even needed help getting on and off the stage.

did he really need help getting on and off stage? cuz he could still bust a move even recently. sure, not the stuff from when he was 25 but no one would expect that....

At a PP show in 2009 towards the end of the night he was lifted both on and off.

He was fine during the first half going up and down the 5 or so stairs but got assistance the during the 2nd half. I think he gives all he has on stage and probably plays through the pain. I'm sure he was in agony after each show. sad

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Reply #175 posted 05/28/16 2:46pm

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simm0061 said:



cardinal said:


simm0061 said:


That was 20 years ago when he could still manage stairs without pain. For at least the past 5 years he's even needed help getting on and off the stage.



did he really need help getting on and off stage? cuz he could still bust a move even recently. sure, not the stuff from when he was 25 but no one would expect that....

At a PP show in 2009 towards the end of the night he was lifted both on and off.


He was fine during the first half going up and down the 5 or so stairs but got assistance the during the 2nd half. I think he gives all he has on stage and probably plays through the pain. I'm sure he was in agony after each show. sad



damn. going back to 2009, thats a lotta years to be in pain. and yeah, he probably had the adrenaline high during, i have expeienced that in sports. and then afterwards its hell
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And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #176 posted 05/28/16 6:47pm

mailaccount63

We need to be kind to each other while we are waiting.
RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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Reply #177 posted 05/28/16 11:41pm

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cardinal said:

simm0061 said:

At a PP show in 2009 towards the end of the night he was lifted both on and off.

He was fine during the first half going up and down the 5 or so stairs but got assistance the during the 2nd half. I think he gives all he has on stage and probably plays through the pain. I'm sure he was in agony after each show. sad

damn. going back to 2009, thats a lotta years to be in pain. and yeah, he probably had the adrenaline high during, i have expeienced that in sports. and then afterwards its hell

ya, me too, i was involved in martial arts, injuries that have lasted for years more or less, i didn't even feel in the heat of the moment. carmen basilio, the great boxer said the same thing, that when you're heated up you don't even feel the pain. The next few days you do. I still don't understand why Prince would get up there and do all that, knowing he was wearing out. I don't get the logic behind that. Pro dancers quite in their 40's or before their fifties, it would have been quite understandable if he just didn't move anymore. For me, it's always been the music anyway, and he's done all the moves he'd ever do, he had nothing to prove. Who knows, maybe on stage, like a fighter, was the only place where he felt ok.

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Reply #178 posted 05/29/16 12:15am

mailaccount63

PeteSilas said:



cardinal said:


simm0061 said:


At a PP show in 2009 towards the end of the night he was lifted both on and off.


He was fine during the first half going up and down the 5 or so stairs but got assistance the during the 2nd half. I think he gives all he has on stage and probably plays through the pain. I'm sure he was in agony after each show. sad



damn. going back to 2009, thats a lotta years to be in pain. and yeah, he probably had the adrenaline high during, i have expeienced that in sports. and then afterwards its hell

ya, me too, i was involved in martial arts, injuries that have lasted for years more or less, i didn't even feel in the heat of the moment. carmen basilio, the great boxer said the same thing, that when you're heated up you don't even feel the pain. The next few days you do. I still don't understand why Prince would get up there and do all that, knowing he was wearing out. I don't get the logic behind that. Pro dancers quite in their 40's or before their fifties, it would have been quite understandable if he just didn't move anymore. For me, it's always been the music anyway, and he's done all the moves he'd ever do, he had nothing to prove. Who knows, maybe on stage, like a fighter, was the only place where he felt ok.



Exactly.
RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called: 'Life'."
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Reply #179 posted 05/29/16 2:46am

Strive

I was listening to Kevin Smith's first talk on Prince and there were so many warning signs. It's crazy to think that he was living weird and possibly in pain for over 15 years.


"So, the next day, he goes 'I don't think I'll be able to make it today because I have a concert to do at the St. Paul Xcel Arena.' He's like 'I'm going to do the show at night and my leg hurts so I'm not going to do the Q&A today, you're on your own' And I said 'Why's your leg hurt?' And he goes 'I just got something wrong with my knee'. And I was like 'Do you think it's because you always wear heels?' [big laughs from the crowd] And he's like 'what do you mean?' And I was like 'maybe your knee wouldn't hurt so bad if you wore some sneakers every once in awhile' And he goes 'Kevin, it's got nothing to do with sneakers' And I was like 'ok, man. just checking.' You know, we need you Prince."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW7daZ0ptrk

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