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Thread started 05/22/16 8:47am

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* autopsy/investigation updates here - Part 2


From part 1: http://prince.org/msg/7/423528

Continuing discussion regarding the autopsy report and investigation of Prince's health and condition at the time of his passing: factual information, please, avoiding rumors and defamatory comments.




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Reply #1 posted 05/22/16 9:13am

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USA Today article from 5/19, not sure if any of it is news here.

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Bullet points:

  • "[T]here's no resolution in sight at least for a few more weeks."
  • Kirk Johnson has hired a criminal defense attorney
  • PRINCE Act was dropped due to first amendment concerns
  • Tyka didn't include Duane Nelson Sr. as a known sibling for undisclosed reasons

Someone in the last thread mentioned there could be a 150-day period before the results would be released to the public. I'm trying to find something that corroborates that likelihood but I'm not having any luck.

[Edited 5/22/16 9:15am]

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Reply #2 posted 05/22/16 10:05am

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Just replying to be subscribed.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
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Reply #3 posted 05/22/16 10:34am

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Can this part be closed untill the official report is released? Or do we really need another 50 pages of speculation?
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Reply #4 posted 05/22/16 10:48am

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eyewishuheaven said:

Just replying to be subscribed.


& me
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Reply #5 posted 05/22/16 10:53am

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ditto

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Reply #6 posted 05/22/16 11:06am

tmo1965

kapo74 said:

Can this part be closed untill the official report is released? Or do we really need another 50 pages of speculation?

Some of us are grieving here and talking about what could have caused Prince's sudden death or speculating, as you call it, is helping me cope with the loss of my favorite singer for most of my life, the past 38 years. I've been down with Prince since his very first LP when I was 12 years old.

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Reply #7 posted 05/22/16 11:11am

kapo74

tmo1965 said:



kapo74 said:


Can this part be closed untill the official report is released? Or do we really need another 50 pages of speculation?

Some of us are grieving here and talking about what could have caused Prince's sudden death or speculating, as you call it, is helping me cope with the loss of my favorite singer for most of my life, the past 38 years. I've been down with Prince since his very first LP when I was 12 years old.



I've followed the man religiously for almost 25 years. But all this speculation doesn't contribute to any one's grief process. It really doesn't. People are just fooling them selves without the facts. Many people will be devastated when the truth comes out, or they will realise all speculation was just lost energy. Anyways, just my two cents.
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Reply #8 posted 05/22/16 11:17am

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eyewishuheaven said:

Just replying to be subscribed.





Zooooom. Right over my head. lol What?
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Reply #9 posted 05/22/16 11:21am

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morningsong said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Just replying to be subscribed.

Zoooooooooom. Right over my head. lol What?


Just so that I'll be notified of new replies in this thread on my 'My Org' page. For some reason, clicking the 'Subscribe' button on the bottom of a thread doesn't enable this feature.

[EDIT: a distinct 'Speculation' thread is not a bad idea though!]

[Edited 5/22/16 11:22am]

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
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Reply #10 posted 05/22/16 11:22am

morningsong

kapo74 said:

tmo1965 said:



kapo74 said:


Can this part be closed untill the official report is released? Or do we really need another 50 pages of speculation?

Some of us are grieving here and talking about what could have caused Prince's sudden death or speculating, as you call it, is helping me cope with the loss of my favorite singer for most of my life, the past 38 years. I've been down with Prince since his very first LP when I was 12 years old.



I've followed the man religiously for almost 25 years. But all this speculation doesn't contribute to any one's grief process. It really doesn't. People are just fooling them selves without the facts. Many people will be devastated when the truth comes out, or they will realise all speculation was just lost energy. Anyways, just my two cents.




I can see both sides. It's annoying to watch people mulling over the same unknown stuff over again. It's annoying to sit with your mouth shut yet have all these thoughts racing through your mind needing to burst out.
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Reply #11 posted 05/22/16 11:23am

morningsong

eyewishuheaven said:



morningsong said:


eyewishuheaven said:

Just replying to be subscribed.



Zooooom. Right over my head. lol What?


Just so that I'll be notified of new replies in this thread on my 'My Org' page. For some reason, clicking the 'Subscribe' button on the bottom of a thread doesn't enable this feature.





ok I see
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Reply #12 posted 05/22/16 1:02pm

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NinaB said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Just replying to be subscribed.

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You could just click the subscribe button, which is next to reply smile

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Reply #13 posted 05/22/16 1:09pm

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TheEnglishGent said:



NinaB said:


eyewishuheaven said:

Just replying to be subscribed.



& me



You could just click the subscribe button, which is next to reply smile


lol yeah but then I kp gettin emails
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #14 posted 05/22/16 2:34pm

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Good grief. If you don't want to read any speculation, no one is forcing you to come to this thread so please step out. I can't for the life of me figure out why some people here just want to stifle other people from saying what is on their mind. There's moderators here, there's rules...and if someone violates the rules then the mods will take care of it. People work out their grief however they have to and no one needs to approve of another's way of dealing. Please don't read what you don't like and let others be.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #15 posted 05/22/16 2:41pm

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kapo74 said:

tmo1965 said:



kapo74 said:


Can this part be closed untill the official report is released? Or do we really need another 50 pages of speculation?

Some of us are grieving here and talking about what could have caused Prince's sudden death or speculating, as you call it, is helping me cope with the loss of my favorite singer for most of my life, the past 38 years. I've been down with Prince since his very first LP when I was 12 years old.



I've followed the man religiously for almost 25 years. But all this speculation doesn't contribute to any one's grief process. It really doesn't. People are just fooling them selves without the facts. Many people will be devastated when the truth comes out, or they will realise all speculation was just lost energy. Anyways, just my two cents.

I began to hate the first thread too and after yesterday decided I'm not reading anymore of the endless speculation because it's only making me more depressed. It's going to be bad enough hearing/reading the official autopsy report when it finally comes out. But I do think once that happens for myself anyway the real healing might finally begin. Not so much that it's going to answer questions. I'm not expecting any big surprises. It's just going to finally be the end of the event of his death. He was so much more than how or why he died and I look forward to the day everything gets back to his life rather than his death. Yesterday was a very hard day for me. Almost as bad as April 21st. Ijust want this part to be over. Peace and hugs to all who are still grieving.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #16 posted 05/22/16 3:04pm

nelcp777

delinquent said:

USA Today article from 5/19, not sure if any of it is news here.

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Bullet points:

  • "[T]here's no resolution in sight at least for a few more weeks."
  • Kirk Johnson has hired a criminal defense attorney
  • PRINCE Act was dropped due to first amendment concerns
  • Tyka didn't include Duane Nelson Sr. as a known sibling for undisclosed reasons

Someone in the last thread mentioned there could be a 150-day period before the results would be released to the public. I'm trying to find something that corroborates that likelihood but I'm not having any luck.

[Edited 5/22/16 9:15am]

I don't think Kirk Johnson hiring a lawyer is a bad thing or indicating any guilt or responsibility.

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Reply #17 posted 05/22/16 3:37pm

Disconcertinge
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Mumio said:

Good grief. If you don't want to read any speculation, no one is forcing you to come to this thread so please step out. I can't for the life of me figure out why some people here just want to stifle other people from saying what is on their mind. There's moderators here, there's rules...and if someone violates the rules then the mods will take care of it. People work out their grief however they have to and no one needs to approve of another's way of dealing. Please don't read what you don't like and let others be.


Agreed but the problem is the mods are deleting some threads with speculation and leaving others on. There's no consistency. I don't mind hearing others thoughts on the subject.Just praying the mods aren't delete happy..as they deleted some great threads.
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Reply #18 posted 05/22/16 4:25pm

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not sure if this officially an update, but i would suggest being wary reading the main stream stories right now. there is a feeding frenzy as to how long he may have been gone when found, and the comments are downright cruel and disgusting.

they are also pushing the "he was a druggie seeking addiction treatment" angle hard.

i am going to stick with the local MN sources and that's it. it's like wild kingdom everywhere else. how horrible for his memory.
"If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince.....
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Reply #19 posted 05/22/16 4:26pm

mailaccount63

I just wanted to briefly revisit a topic that we were discussing earlier on Part 1 of this thread:

And that was (ad libbing) here:
If Prince was physically in such bad shape, his handlers should have called 911, and not a doctor from another state that had never seen him before.

Now I am not disagreeing with this. But.....

The problem with that is: If you are using heavy-duty painkillers (Schedule II Controlled Substances) to deal with a chronic pain syndrome, when there is an emergency, often the responding medical team members freeze when they hear the "patient" (for lack of a better word) is using painkillers (Schedule II) - they just do not know how to deal with this, AND they don't want the liability.

For sake of this discussion, for example, when my cousin (whom I have previously mentioned has a chronic arthritic pain syndrome) accidently cut her foot when she dropped a glass on the kitchen floor, the EMT squad came, and after asking common questions like: What type of medications are you on? etc.; they wouldn't do anything except wrap her foot really tight with a compress and transport her to the local ER. At the ER, the doctors there froze up, and she ended up waiting an hour+ in one of the ER rooms because they had to check out her story with ALL of her doctors: her general MD, and her pain management doctor, etc. They told the ER doctors that my cousin has really good control of her medications (her doctors count every single pill), that she had never OD'd, etc. Only after her story was completely backed up by her doctors, would the ER doctors finally treat my cousin: washed her foot, stitches, applied antiseptic, vaccination shot, etc. She had to wait in pain all of this time until her story checked out.

At a later appointment, my cousin's main/general MD made the comment that he didn't want my cousin, since she is his patient, dying on HIS watch.

The point I am trying to make with all of this is: Yeah, calling 911 probably would have been the right thing to do. But it probably would have taken some time to get to a doctor that would know what to do in a case like this. I think that Prince needed a Pain Management Doctor. Would a Pain Management Doctor have been available to take a 911 distress call?!?!?


We need to wait until the autopsy results come out to know exactly what Prince was going through. But since we seem to be debating the pros/cons of pain relief, I just wanted to point out that just not any old doctor would have known how to help Prince.


[Edited 5/22/16 16:35pm]

RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called: 'Life'."
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Reply #20 posted 05/22/16 4:28pm

mailaccount63

tmo1965 said:

kapo74 said:

Can this part be closed untill the official report is released? Or do we really need another 50 pages of speculation?

Some of us are grieving here and talking about what could have caused Prince's sudden death or speculating, as you call it, is helping me cope with the loss of my favorite singer for most of my life, the past 38 years. I've been down with Prince since his very first LP when I was 12 years old.


Agreed.

RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called: 'Life'."
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Reply #21 posted 05/22/16 4:47pm

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As we all dealing in our ways with losing someone that has meant so much to us in SO many different ways, we all have our stories and moments etc... So everything at this point is nothing more than speculation and not helping its just creating more questions. THE FACT is no matter what is said there is always going to be questions of why this and that? simply because he was alone.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #22 posted 05/22/16 7:32pm

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delinquent said:

USA Today article from 5/19, not sure if any of it is news here.

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Bullet points:

  • "[T]here's no resolution in sight at least for a few more weeks."
  • Kirk Johnson has hired a criminal defense attorney
  • PRINCE Act was dropped due to first amendment concerns
  • Tyka didn't include Duane Nelson Sr. as a known sibling for undisclosed reasons

Someone in the last thread mentioned there could be a 150-day period before the results would be released to the public. I'm trying to find something that corroborates that likelihood but I'm not having any luck.

[Edited 5/22/16 9:15am]

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I hope they don't come down on Kirk if he gave Prince a few painkillers at some point. If that's what P wanted, then it's not really Kirk's fault. It sounds like Prince was under some Dr's supervision there at the end, so not like Kirk is responsible for what happened.

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Reply #23 posted 05/22/16 9:24pm

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delinquent said:


USA Today article from 5/19, not sure if any of it is news here.



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Bullet points:



  • "[T]here's no resolution in sight at least for a few more weeks."

  • Kirk Johnson has hired a criminal defense attorney

  • PRINCE Act was dropped due to first amendment concerns

  • Tyka didn't include Duane Nelson Sr. as a known sibling for undisclosed reasons


Someone in the last thread mentioned there could be a 150-day period before the results would be released to the public. I'm trying to find something that corroborates that likelihood but I'm not having any luck.


[Edited 5/22/16 9:15am]



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I hope they don't come down on Kirk if he gave Prince a few painkillers at some point. If that's what P wanted, then it's not really Kirk's fault. It sounds like Prince was under some Dr's supervision there at the end, so not like Kirk is responsible for what happened.



Kirk is in deep shit if the pills were made out to Kirk se given to Prince.
It's s bad situation all the way around as Prince was an adult and new what was happening.
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Reply #24 posted 05/22/16 9:41pm

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delinquent said:

USA Today article from 5/19, not sure if any of it is news here.

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Bullet points:

  • "[T]here's no resolution in sight at least for a few more weeks."
  • Kirk Johnson has hired a criminal defense attorney
  • PRINCE Act was dropped due to first amendment concerns
  • Tyka didn't include Duane Nelson Sr. as a known sibling for undisclosed reasons

Someone in the last thread mentioned there could be a 150-day period before the results would be released to the public. I'm trying to find something that corroborates that likelihood but I'm not having any luck.

[Edited 5/22/16 9:15am]

That sounds a bit far fetched. Besides all the news outlets and TMZ would sue yo get them released earlier (freedom of information/public records).

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Reply #25 posted 05/22/16 10:07pm

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not sure if this officially an update, but i would suggest being wary reading the main stream stories right now. there is a feeding frenzy as to how long he may have been gone when found, and the comments are downright cruel and disgusting.

they are also pushing the "he was a druggie seeking addiction treatment" angle hard.

i am going to stick with the local MN sources and that's it. it's like wild kingdom everywhere else. how horrible for his memory.

Or the AIDS route. The media did some heavy work on damaging his reputation during the days after his passing and used stories from his chefs and his photographer to further the agenda that Prince wasn't doing well.
[Edited 5/22/16 22:08pm]
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Reply #26 posted 05/22/16 10:22pm

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The point I am trying to make with all of this is: Yeah, calling 911 probably would have been the right thing to do. But it probably would have taken some time to get to a doctor that would know what to do in a case like this. I think that Prince needed a Pain Management Doctor. Would a Pain Management Doctor have been available to take a 911 distress call?!?!?


We need to wait until the autopsy results come out to know exactly what Prince was going through. But since we seem to be debating the pros/cons of pain relief, I just wanted to point out that just not any old doctor would have known how to help Prince.


I think I understand your point and don't disagree. OTOH, I think that 80% of doctors in the state of MN would have made themselves available for Prince. OTOOH, the rest of us are like your sister, we have to go with luck of the draw in such a situation, that's the norm.


It's also true that on that same day where they should have possibly called 911, Prince did go to the hospital, and then had a doctor visit him at home. So 911 wouldn't have added anything because as in Moline, Prince would not stay in the hospital. Going only by the bits of current info, it sounds more like the challenge was convincing Prince of what was needed, overall.

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Reply #27 posted 05/22/16 10:32pm

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The truth is, we are heartbroken and want closure..... and some of us need to know why...? Or How this happened for many of us to have closure... grieving a loss is not the same for everyone sad

Wake up!......Wake up!
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Reply #28 posted 05/22/16 11:29pm

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tmo1965 said:

kapo74 said:

Can this part be closed untill the official report is released? Or do we really need another 50 pages of speculation?

Some of us are grieving here and talking about what could have caused Prince's sudden death or speculating, as you call it, is helping me cope with the loss of my favorite singer for most of my life, the past 38 years. I've been down with Prince since his very first LP when I was 12 years old.

Agree kapo74. I'm here because I'm grieving the biggest influence in my life, musically, and in many ways since age 13. I appreciate hearing thoughts and facts about his health before his death and what the hell happened... I'm still in shock believe it or not, and just want the dialogue about his death to continue. Thx much.

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Reply #29 posted 05/22/16 11:30pm

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Mumio said:

Good grief. If you don't want to read any speculation, no one is forcing you to come to this thread so please step out. I can't for the life of me figure out why some people here just want to stifle other people from saying what is on their mind. There's moderators here, there's rules...and if someone violates the rules then the mods will take care of it. People work out their grief however they have to and no one needs to approve of another's way of dealing. Please don't read what you don't like and let others be.

Yes. Right on, Munio.

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