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Reply #60 posted 11/26/14 6:38am

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laurarichardson said:

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Oh yeah, in a physical form? And how in hell could he do that ? He didn't released anything for more than for years, and 5 years and a half in the USA.

You must be a new fan because Prince found a manner to put out music for a good while without a major company at all and then working with record compnaies. Do you think he has been sitting around for 4 years not recording music?

I also looked on Billboard yesterday and AOA was at number 13 on the RnB chart so Prince still has a presence on the charts without any radio airplay or promotion from the WB. He is not going anywhere anytime soon unless he decideds to do so.

You must be a new fan, because Prince never released any album during the 2010/2014 era, and in the USA he never released anything since april 2009. He did released some shits DIGITALLY, that nobody bought, but never an ALBUM.

He succeeded in releasing new albums this year by giving to WB the right to release reeditions. No major record wanted to release an album from him.

You must be a new fan, because you don't even know how hard he tried to release PLECTRUM ELECTRUM this year.

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Reply #61 posted 12/10/14 4:37am

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And once again I was right, on EVERYTHING.

Not only with the new changing of rules Prince lost 80 positions on the charts, but the week after he was out of BB 200, though the vinyl edition was supposed to add sales.

Just like I predicted it, old act like PINK FLOYD that doesn't have a hit currently, were the sole acts to not gain points with the new changing of rules. They should have a better chartrun, that's terrible nonsense.

This is a considerable mess, because like I explained, even digital individually tracks are counted on the BB 200 with a ponderation. This is becoming tricky when the same track is on multiple albums (let's say Purple Rain that is on multiple best of). people who said here that would change nothing on BB 200 and were injuring me, were completely out of touch.

Just like the people who said here it was a smart move to release two albums the same day (!), to create a hype for Purple Rain 2014 ! eek

There is abosutely no way Prince could crack the top 200 again. Even if the reedition were released, There is absolutely no guarantee that each individual tracks would be counted as PURPLE RAIN. They could easily be credited to TVBO.

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Reply #62 posted 12/11/14 12:02pm

Noodled24

^Well...

AOA has been dropping off the charts for a while now. There is no definitive data available to assume this is based on streaming rather than everyone who wants AOA has already bought it?


Currently you're taking an album that is on its way out of the charts already and attributing it to the rule change... but it likely would have dropped as many places regardless.

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Reply #63 posted 12/12/14 4:27am

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Noodled24 said:

^Well...

AOA has been dropping off the charts for a while now. There is no definitive data available to assume this is based on streaming rather than everyone who wants AOA has already bought it?


Currently you're taking an album that is on its way out of the charts already and attributing it to the rule change... but it likely would have dropped as many places regardless.

AOA lost 80 places the week the vinyl was supposed to be added on total sales. When in Rome...Even black Friday sales didn't do anything, and he was on top 100 of amazon during a few days.

And how do you explain that Pink Floyd doesn't benefit at all from the changing of rules ?

The former BB 200 allowed independant album to chart, because it only needed sales. Now, it is virtually impossible.

Pink Floyd and Prince are among artists whose new material is not popular on streaming at all ( and sooner or later youtube views will be included). Even if they succeed on being on top ten with sales, this streaming thing will always screw them up.

And as I pointed out, even in the case where PR deluxe would be released, not sure how they will count digital tracks. They could as well count WHEN DOVES CRY as PURPLE RAIN, PURPLE RAIN as THE HITS 2, etc. there is to this day, no indication about that.

The new system is heavily criticized, and in fact, I'm amazed that nobody here seems to understand why Prince couldn't crack the top 200 anymore. It's so obvious.

Not that this is the end of the world though, but just a fact.

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Reply #64 posted 12/12/14 4:28am

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Noodled24 said:

^Well...

AOA has been dropping off the charts for a while now. There is no definitive data available to assume this is based on streaming rather than everyone who wants AOA has already bought it?


Currently you're taking an album that is on its way out of the charts already and attributing it to the rule change... but it likely would have dropped as many places regardless.

AOA lost 80 places the week the vinyl was supposed to be added on total sales. When in Rome...Even black Friday sales didn't do anything, and he was on top 100 of amazon during a few days.

And how do you explain that Pink Floyd doesn't benefit at all from the changing of rules ?

The former BB 200 allowed independant album to chart, because it only needed sales. Now, it is virtually impossible.

Pink Floyd and Prince are among artists whose new material is not popular on streaming at all ( and sooner or later youtube views will be included). Even if they succeed on being on top ten with sales, this streaming thing will always screw them up.

And as I pointed out, even in the case where PR deluxe would be released, not sure how they will count digital tracks. They could as well count WHEN DOVES CRY as PURPLE RAIN, PURPLE RAIN as THE HITS 2, etc. there is to this day, no indication about that.

The new system is heavily criticized, and in fact, I'm amazed that nobody here seems to understand why Prince couldn't crack the top 200 anymore. It's so obvious.

Not that this is the end of the world though, but just a fact.

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Reply #65 posted 12/12/14 4:28am

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Noodled24 said:

^Well...

AOA has been dropping off the charts for a while now. There is no definitive data available to assume this is based on streaming rather than everyone who wants AOA has already bought it?


Currently you're taking an album that is on its way out of the charts already and attributing it to the rule change... but it likely would have dropped as many places regardless.

AOA lost 80 places the week the vinyl was supposed to be added on total sales. When in Rome...Even black Friday sales didn't do anything, and he was on top 100 of amazon during a few days.

And how do you explain that Pink Floyd doesn't benefit at all from the changing of rules ?

The former BB 200 allowed independant album to chart, because it only needed sales. Now, it is virtually impossible.

Pink Floyd and Prince are among artists whose new material is not popular on streaming at all ( and sooner or later youtube views will be included). Even if they succeed on being on top ten with sales, this streaming thing will always screw them up.

And as I pointed out, even in the case where PR deluxe would be released, not sure how they will count digital tracks. They could as well count WHEN DOVES CRY as PURPLE RAIN, PURPLE RAIN as THE HITS 2, etc. there is to this day, no indication about that.

The new system is heavily criticized, and in fact, I'm amazed that nobody here seems to understand why Prince couldn't crack the top 200 anymore. It's so obvious.

Not that this is the end of the world though, but just a fact.

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Reply #66 posted 12/12/14 12:51pm

Noodled24

RODSERLING said:

AOA lost 80 places the week the vinyl was supposed to be added on total sales. When in Rome...Even black Friday sales didn't do anything, and he was on top 100 of amazon during a few days.

AOA has been dropping out the charts since it entered them. A Vinyl release was hardly going to turn that around.

And how do you explain that Pink Floyd doesn't benefit at all from the changing of rules ?

The former BB 200 allowed independant album to chart, because it only needed sales. Now, it is virtually impossible.

I'm not sure what Pink Floyd have to do with anything? People still buy their albums. Did you think Pink Floyd would benefit hugely or something? Like Prince they have more older fans who'd rather just buy their album.

Pink Floyd and Prince are among artists whose new material is not popular on streaming at all ( and sooner or later youtube views will be included). Even if they succeed on being on top ten with sales, this streaming thing will always screw them up.

But you need what? 1000 streams to equate one sale.

And as I pointed out, even in the case where PR deluxe would be released, not sure how they will count digital tracks. They could as well count WHEN DOVES CRY as PURPLE RAIN, PURPLE RAIN as THE HITS 2, etc. there is to this day, no indication about that.

It'd depend on the album you streamed it from. If you Stream the Song Purple Rain from the Album Purple Rain then it'll count from that album. If you Stream Purple Rain from VBOP then it'll count to that album... I don't see how or why it would be any different?

The new system is heavily criticized, and in fact, I'm amazed that nobody here seems to understand why Prince couldn't crack the top 200 anymore. It's so obvious.

Not that this is the end of the world though, but just a fact.

You've clearly decided it's because people weren't streaming it enough? But you need 1000 streams to equate one sale. My google music account is about 2 years old and my highest played songs are at 200/300 plays.

People are still buying MP3s and CDs... Streaming is another delivery service and probably should also be counted. It relys one masses of people getting "into" songs or albums. Not being streamed wont do anything to hurt his album sales.

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Reply #67 posted 12/18/14 3:31am

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Noodled24 said:

RODSERLING said:

AOA lost 80 places the week the vinyl was supposed to be added on total sales. When in Rome...Even black Friday sales didn't do anything, and he was on top 100 of amazon during a few days.

AOA has been dropping out the charts since it entered them. A Vinyl release was hardly going to turn that around.

It'd depend on the album you streamed it from. If you Stream the Song Purple Rain from the Album Purple Rain then it'll count from that album. If you Stream Purple Rain from VBOP then it'll count to that album... I don't see how or why it would be any different?

The new system is heavily criticized, and in fact, I'm amazed that nobody here seems to understand why Prince couldn't crack the top 200 anymore. It's so obvious.

Not that this is the end of the world though, but just a fact.

You've clearly decided it's because people weren't streaming it enough? But you need 1000 streams to equate one sale.People are still buying MP3s and CDs... Streaming is another delivery service and probably should also be counted. It relys one masses of people getting "into" songs or albums. Not being streamed wont do anything to hurt his album sales.

My google music account is about 2 years old and my highest played songs are at 200/300 plays.

AOA has been dropping out the charts since it entered them. A Vinyl release was hardly going to turn that around.

Vinyl + black friday sales + not enough streaming compared to other acts.

It'd depend on the album you streamed it from. If you Stream the Song Purple Rain from the Album Purple Rain then it'll count from that album. If you Stream Purple Rain from VBOP then it'll count to that album... I don't see how or why it would be any different?

What a mess, because it's the very same song, with the same length. And you don't understand yet why PR deluxe can't crack the BB 200 ?

My google music account is about 2 years old and my highest played songs are at 200/300 plays

I don't care about your streaming account lol. yesterday I ate an apple. You're not making BB 200. Just take a look at it, and see that the streaming things changed the chart completely. Proof, is that there is now a chart based only on sales, to show the difference. proof is that Pink Floyed didn't benefited from streaming at all.

Not being streamed wont do anything to hurt his album sales.

Not his album sales, but his rank on the BB 200, that's the point here. Common, it's so obvious. It has already happened with old acts.

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Reply #68 posted 12/18/14 12:47pm

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With some of the "logic" in this thread, we can stop selling Beatles music because their career is over. Mozart's music can call it a day to, because Mozart could never enter the top 200? Ridiculous guys.

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Reply #69 posted 12/18/14 1:15pm

Noodled24

RODSERLING said:

AOA has been dropping out the charts since it entered them. A Vinyl release was hardly going to turn that around.

Vinyl + black friday sales + not enough streaming compared to other acts.

The album has been out 2 months. It was falling anyway. Streaming has nothing to do with it. Taylor Swift has pulled her music from Spotify. Are you saying her career is over?
Prince just isn't a big seller.

It'd depend on the album you streamed it from. If you Stream the Song Purple Rain from the Album Purple Rain then it'll count from that album. If you Stream Purple Rain from VBOP then it'll count to that album... I don't see how or why it would be any different?

What a mess, because it's the very same song, with the same length. And you don't understand yet why PR deluxe can't crack the BB 200 ?

It's not a mess. It's the only logical way for it to work. ie Exactly the same way singles work.

PR Deluxe - Hasn't even been announced let alone released. Again, if people want to hear the remastered versions then streaming from PR Deluxe will add to that albums sales.

My google music account is about 2 years old and my highest played songs are at 200/300 plays

I don't care about your streaming account lol. yesterday I ate an apple. You're not making BB 200. Just take a look at it, and see that the streaming things changed the chart completely. Proof, is that there is now a chart based only on sales, to show the difference. proof is that Pink Floyed didn't benefited from streaming at all.

Exactly. If a song totally blows up and gets 800,000 streams in a week... thats 800 "units shipped". Which is a tiny number. At the end of the week the counter is reset. If the song gets half as many streams the next week thats 350 "units shipped".

For streaming to have any more than a small impact an artist would need to reach millions of streams within each given week. Then you can start talking about thousands of sales.

Pink Floyd much like Prince. Haven't had a hit in years. They have a fanbase who likely buy their albums

For your theory to be correct, take a look at the week before streaming was counted and then compare it to the week after. The change is not significant enough to suggest any real impact. With your theory you would expect to see radical differences with Artists who were lower in the chart suddenly being much higher or vice versa.

Not being streamed wont do anything to hurt his album sales.

Not his album sales, but his rank on the BB 200, that's the point here. Common, it's so obvious. It has already happened with old acts.

Yes it's been happening for years with old acts. It happened before streaming and will continue to do so with streaming. This is a fact with all "legacy acts" sales decrease over time.

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Reply #70 posted 12/18/14 11:04pm

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kewlschool said:

With some of the "logic" in this thread, we can stop selling Beatles music because their career is over. Mozart's music can call it a day to, because Mozart could never enter the top 200? Ridiculous guys.

You seem to be the ridiculous guy who doesn't understand the meaning of a simple topic.

There wAs no recorded music industry at the time of Mozart. His music survived to this day, like others. I never said that an artist's music won't be listening again because it would never enter the top 200. You created this assertion yourself. It's just a topic about Billboard 200, for what it means. Like I said, it's not the end of the world.

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Reply #71 posted 12/18/14 11:29pm

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Noodled24 said:

RODSERLING said:

AOA has been dropping out the charts since it entered them. A Vinyl release was hardly going to turn that around.

Vinyl + black friday sales + not enough streaming compared to other acts.

The album has been out 2 months. It was falling anyway. Streaming has nothing to do with it. Taylor Swift has pulled her music from Spotify. Are you saying her career is over?
Prince just isn't a big seller.

Exactly. If a song totally blows up and gets 800,000 streams in a week... thats 800 "units shipped". Which is a tiny number. At the end of the week the counter is reset. If the song gets half as many streams the next week thats 350 "units shipped".

For streaming to have any more than a small impact an artist would need to reach millions of streams within each given week. Then you can start talking about thousands of sales.

Pink Floyd much like Prince. Haven't had a hit in years. They have a fanbase who likely buy their albums

For your theory to be correct, take a look at the week before streaming was counted and then compare it to the week after. The change is not significant enough to suggest any real impact. With your theory you would expect to see radical differences with Artists who were lower in the chart suddenly being much higher or vice versa.

Not being streamed wont do anything to hurt his album sales.

Not his album sales, but his rank on the BB 200, that's the point here. Common, it's so obvious. It has already happened with old acts.

Yes it's been happening for years with old acts. It happened before streaming and will continue to do so with streaming. This is a fact with all "legacy acts" sales decrease over time.

If a song gets 1 million streaming, it will count as 1000 sales. 1000 sales is in theory enough to crack the BB 200 after the christmas season.

No, it's not been happening for years with old acts because the chage has occured only a few weeks ago. Every young artist gets in average 16 %sales more. Pink Floyd and Prince got 0.

If there was no changing on the BB 200 because of this rules, then, why are Billborad making this change ?

If there is no changes, why is there now two separate charts : the BILLBOARD 200 with streaming, and the BB 200 with only sales ?

On the top ten of this week, we can see two albums that are missing the top ten when streaming added.

Pink floyd 's endless river loses 4 positions compared to the new BB 200 (#28/#24), and DARK SIDE OF THE MOON loses 18 poSITIONS (#102/#84). Beatles only entry (at #196 on the former BB 200) is not appearing on the new BB 200.

Of course, changes are not that great now, but I take into account the fact it will evolve with more and more streaming and less and less sales, by the time Prince will release a new album, if he's not discouraged by this.

And of course, PR deluxe is unlikely to happen.

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Reply #72 posted 12/19/14 12:56pm

Noodled24

RODSERLING said:

If a song gets 1 million streaming, it will count as 1000 sales. 1000 sales is in theory enough to crack the BB 200 after the christmas season.

If it gets 1 million streams within a week. Yes. Although it'll be at the bottom of the BB 200.

No, it's not been happening for years with old acts because the chage has occured only a few weeks ago. Every young artist gets in average 16 %sales more. Pink Floyd and Prince got 0.

Legacy artists do not sell as many records as new artists and the "new established" artists. Also Older artists have old generation fans. Who go out and buy the CD or maybe buy the album on iTunes. Young artists likely have young fans who will just stream the album. Thus, it's not surprising young artists benefit from streaming HOWEVER fans streaming the album likely didn't buy it. So it's swings and roundabouts.

If there was no changing on the BB 200 because of this rules, then, why are Billborad making this change ?

If there is no changes, why is there now two separate charts : the BILLBOARD 200 with streaming, and the BB 200 with only sales ?

I would guess so that people can see which artists are selling more and which are streaming more. There aren't many differences...

On the top ten of this week, we can see two albums that are missing the top ten when streaming added.

Pink floyd 's endless river loses 4 positions compared to the new BB 200 (#28/#24), and DARK SIDE OF THE MOON loses 18 poSITIONS (#102/#84). Beatles only entry (at #196 on the former BB 200) is not appearing on the new BB 200.

Of course, changes are not that great now, but I take into account the fact it will evolve with more and more streaming and less and less sales, by the time Prince will release a new album, if he's not discouraged by this.

I still think it's too soon to assume anything about streaming. The gulf between 1 sale equating 1000 streams is huge... We hear of things being streamed a million, ten million, a hundred million times, but the reality is that these are accumulated numbers that happen over weeks, months, years... They're also worldwide.

The last time Spotify revealed user numbers in March 2013, it had 6 million paying subscribers globally. A key part of Spotify's strategy is to offer free access to various levels of its service. It now has more than 40 million monthly active users including the 10 million paying subs – one in four. (Spotify now says this is 50 million worldwide)

So assuming data is gathered from all "users" and not just the paying ones. 50 million people use spotify (worldwide). If we shoot high and say 25 million of them are in the USA. It would be impossible to get a #1 Record purely from streaming. Every user would need to stream the same album tens of thousands of times within a given week. Not gonna happen.

I agree with you that streaming will have an effect
but it'll be a small effect. Bumping an albums sales by a few hundred. Perhaps consistant sellers like Dark Side Of The Moon will loose a few places from the lower end of the chart as new artists make their name on the internet. It doesn't mean that album wont continue to sell as it always has.

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Reply #73 posted 12/21/14 9:05pm

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RODSERLING said:

kewlschool said:

With some of the "logic" in this thread, we can stop selling Beatles music because their career is over. Mozart's music can call it a day to, because Mozart could never enter the top 200? Ridiculous guys.

You seem to be the ridiculous guy who doesn't understand the meaning of a simple topic.

There wAs no recorded music industry at the time of Mozart. His music survived to this day, like others. I never said that an artist's music won't be listening again because it would never enter the top 200. You created this assertion yourself. It's just a topic about Billboard 200, for what it means. Like I said, it's not the end of the world.

Mozart music is continually recorded, released, and charted over the years.

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Reply #74 posted 12/21/14 9:25pm

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RODSERLING said:From the next week, Billboard is going to count sales from streaming services such as sPOTIFY. Which means sales will be mixed with streaming, such as the singles. I think it's a very bad move. they should have added instead the vinyl sales, which would have increase by at least by 3 % the sales. Welcome to the Artificial Age ! And goodbye to Prince It will be interesting to see what those charts look like, but I agree with you that spotify is no reflection on music sales. When I want an album I go buy it, but I have friends who use spotify and just listen to "anything". If you go to an all you can eat Chinese buffet, you will eat the crunchy seeweed, and the deep fried sesame bread just because it's there. If you had a choice to pay for it, you would probably not.
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Reply #75 posted 12/22/14 8:03am

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at this rate Prince will be eligble for Food Stamps...

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Reply #76 posted 12/29/14 2:46am

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kewlschool said:

RODSERLING said:

You seem to be the ridiculous guy who doesn't understand the meaning of a simple topic.

There wAs no recorded music industry at the time of Mozart. His music survived to this day, like others. I never said that an artist's music won't be listening again because it would never enter the top 200. You created this assertion yourself. It's just a topic about Billboard 200, for what it means. Like I said, it's not the end of the world.

Mozart music is continually recorded, released, and charted over the years.

Mozart never charted the BB 200. It charted only in a sub chart about classical music.

Once again, you keep on ignoring the signification of this topic. Even if Mozart charted over the years on the BB 200 (which he didn't, by the way), the new changing of rules with streaming occured only this month. So, it's still not the point here.

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Reply #77 posted 12/29/14 2:59am

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I think it's really the end of the Billboad 200, if you ask me. There are at least four songs on Art Official Age that are single-worthy, and the two with Andy Allo in the second half of the album are top 40 material. It just goes to show why WB doesn't know how to do their job. Part of me wishes he hadn't gone back to Warners.

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Reply #78 posted 12/29/14 4:59am

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TASKAE said:

I think it's really the end of the Billboad 200, if you ask me. There are at least four songs on Art Official Age that are single-worthy, and the two with Andy Allo in the second half of the album are top 40 material. It just goes to show why WB doesn't know how to do their job. Part of me wishes he hadn't gone back to Warners.

WB's goal is to sell their records. It's useless to spend money on promotion if your artist doesn't want to get involved with the promotion, mainly a world tour, msuic video, etc. You can't have a ROI

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Reply #79 posted 12/29/14 11:59am

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RODSERLING said:

kewlschool said:

Mozart music is continually recorded, released, and charted over the years.

Mozart never charted the BB 200. It charted only in a sub chart about classical music.

Once again, you keep on ignoring the signification of this topic. Even if Mozart charted over the years on the BB 200 (which he didn't, by the way), the new changing of rules with streaming occured only this month. So, it's still not the point here.

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Mozart charted in the top 100 for years. The top 100 was the chart process used before Billboard turned it into the top 200. Not to mention the 3 tenors covering classic music where in the top 200 billboard charts as well. Classical music has in the past done very well.

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Reply #80 posted 12/29/14 2:52pm

TASKAE

RODSERLING said:

TASKAE said:

I think it's really the end of the Billboad 200, if you ask me. There are at least four songs on Art Official Age that are single-worthy, and the two with Andy Allo in the second half of the album are top 40 material. It just goes to show why WB doesn't know how to do their job. Part of me wishes he hadn't gone back to Warners.

WB's goal is to sell their records. It's useless to spend money on promotion if your artist doesn't want to get involved with the promotion, mainly a world tour, msuic video, etc. You can't have a ROI

I disagree. I think the music should speak for itself first and foremost, and anything else that comes along is a gimmick. In the case of Plectrumelectrum, the album speaks for itself and in a good way, so let it be just that, and this is true whether or not you or I think the album is good. But think back to Purple Rain. Besides When Doves Cry and Let's Go Crazy, what else did he do between the album release date and movie release date? Not much, that's what. He gave a few surprise performances, but that was it. If he has hubris about it always needing to be that way, that's something he has to resolve, but still...

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Reply #81 posted 12/29/14 2:57pm

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And once again I was right, on EVERYTHING.

Not only with the new changing of rules Prince lost 80 positions on the charts, but the week after he was out of BB 200, though the vinyl edition was supposed to add sales.

Just like I predicted it, old act like PINK FLOYD that doesn't have a hit currently, were the sole acts to not gain points with the new changing of rules. They should have a better chartrun, that's terrible nonsense.

This is a considerable mess, because like I explained, even digital individually tracks are counted on the BB 200 with a ponderation. This is becoming tricky when the same track is on multiple albums (let's say Purple Rain that is on multiple best of). people who said here that would change nothing on BB 200 and were injuring me, were completely out of touch.

Just like the people who said here it was a smart move to release two albums the same day (!), to create a hype for Purple Rain 2014 ! eek

There is abosutely no way Prince could crack the top 200 again. Even if the reedition were released, There is absolutely no guarantee that each individual tracks would be counted as PURPLE RAIN. They could easily be credited to TVBO.

Are you translating this from another language, because it doesn't make a bit of sense. I honestly cannot make out a single point that you're trying to make.

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Reply #82 posted 12/29/14 3:36pm

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What about 8-tracks?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #83 posted 12/30/14 12:28am

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kewlschool said:

RODSERLING said:

Mozart never charted the BB 200. It charted only in a sub chart about classical music.

Once again, you keep on ignoring the signification of this topic. Even if Mozart charted over the years on the BB 200 (which he didn't, by the way), the new changing of rules with streaming occured only this month. So, it's still not the point here.

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Mozart charted in the top 100 for years. The top 100 was the chart process used before Billboard turned it into the top 200. Not to mention the 3 tenors covering classic music where in the top 200 billboard charts as well. Classical music has in the past done very well.

BB 200 was officially created in 1992, even though the top 200 was created at the end of the 60's.

I never found any occurence of Mozart in the top 200, and I would be amazed to see him in an official top 100 (even if it's not on tjhe top 200, which is the focus on his very topic).

Ethically, the albums attributed to"Mozart" are musicians who plays his music.

We don't even know for sure if the music that is played now is exactly what has been played at the time of their composers.

The 3 tenors has nothing to do with MOZART, there is no musical piece of him to be found in their album.

Moreover, they mostly covered songs that were NOT classical music, such as Johnny mercer, Rodgers and Hart, Agustin lara, Sinatra biggrin , Henry Mancini, Arthur Freed (Singing in the rain) , Leonard Bernstein (West side story), etc.

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Reply #84 posted 12/30/14 12:32am

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RODSERLING said:

WB's goal is to sell their records. It's useless to spend money on promotion if your artist doesn't want to get involved with the promotion, mainly a world tour, msuic video, etc. You can't have a ROI

I disagree. I think the music should speak for itself first and foremost, and anything else that comes along is a gimmick. In the case of Plectrumelectrum, the album speaks for itself and in a good way, so let it be just that, and this is true whether or not you or I think the album is good. But think back to Purple Rain. Besides When Doves Cry and Let's Go Crazy, what else did he do between the album release date and movie release date? Not much, that's what. He gave a few surprise performances, but that was it. If he has hubris about it always needing to be that way, that's something he has to resolve, but still...

Keep dreaming about the music speaking for itself.

Especially for something like PLECTRUM ELECTRUM which has 20 years late musically, which was not the case of PR.

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Reply #85 posted 12/30/14 4:47pm

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Mozart charted in the top 100 for years. The top 100 was the chart process used before Billboard turned it into the top 200. Not to mention the 3 tenors covering classic music where in the top 200 billboard charts as well. Classical music has in the past done very well.

BB 200 was officially created in 1992, even though the top 200 was created at the end of the 60's.

I never found any occurence of Mozart in the top 200, and I would be amazed to see him in an official top 100 (even if it's not on tjhe top 200, which is the focus on his very topic).

Ethically, the albums attributed to"Mozart" are musicians who plays his music.

We don't even know for sure if the music that is played now is exactly what has been played at the time of their composers.

The 3 tenors has nothing to do with MOZART, there is no musical piece of him to be found in their album.

Moreover, they mostly covered songs that were NOT classical music, such as Johnny mercer, Rodgers and Hart, Agustin lara, Sinatra biggrin , Henry Mancini, Arthur Freed (Singing in the rain) , Leonard Bernstein (West side story), etc.

The 3 tenors released an album Carreras Domingo Pavarotti in Concert in 1990 of classical music mixed with a few "newer" songs. And at the time became the biggest-selling classical album of all time. Yes, they did cover "pop" tunes, but they did do classical music that have been around for hundred years or so and had even reached #35 on U.S Album chart sales. Showing that music past it's "prime" can still be successful. Bringing up the 3 Tenors was to prove classical singing and classical music has had chart success in the more recent past.

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Reply #86 posted 12/30/14 4:55pm

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Why are guys sweating Prince and sales? I don't get it.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #87 posted 12/30/14 5:59pm

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BB 200 was officially created in 1992, even though the top 200 was created at the end of the 60's.

The Billboard 200 existed long before 1992, they had even started using Soundscan by May of 1991 (I know, I was already watching every week by then). And of course the album chart existed for decades before that. What are you talking about? Was that a typo?

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Reply #88 posted 12/30/14 6:04pm

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Graycap23 said:

Why are guys sweating Prince and sales? I don't get it.



Because he's on food stamps, can't you read? sad




J/K biggrin

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Reply #89 posted 12/30/14 6:30pm

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babynoz said:

Graycap23 said:

Why are guys sweating Prince and sales? I don't get it.



Because he's on food stamps, can't you read? sad




J/K biggrin

Does any of this type of thinking actually make any sense? (Not u Bnoz)

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