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Thread started 11/11/14 8:44am

JoshuaWho

Is there anyone who is really better than Prince?

I mean really - not just today but when you take into account the entire body of work, the career achievements, longevity, musicianship, range and depth of talent, influence, originality, and overall relevance to real music.

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Reply #1 posted 11/11/14 8:48am

rusty1

I've been a fan since 1984..Prince hasn't
Been relevant since 1987..I might give him up to
"Diamonds & Pearls"..I will once again say
1979 to 87 was his most prolific &
Legendary era.
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Reply #2 posted 11/11/14 8:52am

RodeoSchro

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Kind of an impossible question to answer because of the subjectivity of art. But I can say that I like Prince better than anyone else ever.

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Reply #3 posted 11/11/14 8:58am

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no

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Reply #4 posted 11/11/14 9:01am

m33kn3ss

NO, NO, NO - NOT NOW AND NEVER WILL BE!

Superfunkycalifragisexy!
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Reply #5 posted 11/11/14 9:01am

Pentacle


Paul McCartney




Stop the Prince Apologists ™
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Reply #6 posted 11/11/14 9:07am

Soulstar77A

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Reply #7 posted 11/11/14 9:14am

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JoshuaWho said:

I mean really - not just today but when you take into account the entire body of work, the career achievements, longevity, musicianship, range and depth of talent, influence, originality, and overall relevance to real music.

I think Frank Zappa was at least as versatile and brilliant as Prince covering a great amount of styles and a genius on guitar. He released over 60 albums during his lifetime and has released nearly 40 more after his death. He was certainly musically more educated and his music was much more complex, but not as fluent on the amount of instruments that Prince is and his sound is a bit more clinical while Prince is more organic.

I love both their work!

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Reply #8 posted 11/11/14 9:14am

lwr001

rusty1 said:

I've been a fan since 1984..Prince hasn't Been relevant since 1987..I might give him up to "Diamonds & Pearls"..I will once again say 1979 to 87 was his most prolific & Legendary era.

Popular culture is littered with Prince ref and sounds today meaning hos relevancy is alive and strong

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Reply #9 posted 11/11/14 9:15am

Rimshottbob

Yes, there are several who easily surpass Prince in all these aspects overall.

Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Jimi Hendrix, Sam Cooke, to begin with...

That's just a beginning, and that's only popular music, without getting into George Gershwin, Stravinsky, and back and back.

Prince is incredibly talented, but to say he's the best is.... narrow, at best.

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Reply #10 posted 11/11/14 9:30am

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Hm, this is a kind of complex question. In regards to what? Songwriting? Ability on certain instruments? etc etc

There is no doubting Prince is an extremely talented man, but I'm sure he has his downfalls in some places. Just as he excel's in others.

I don't think we could ever say x person is the best at everything musicwise because of as someone said above, the subjectivity of art.

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Reply #11 posted 11/11/14 9:53am

Darshy

Aint nobody better than Prince!

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Reply #12 posted 11/11/14 9:58am

terrig

NO. Go wash your mouf out wit soap lolololol

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Reply #13 posted 11/11/14 10:06am

datdude

i'm sorry but where is Bob Dylan's Housequake or James Brown's Dinner With Delores, Hendrix's Do Me Baby or Joni's Anne Christian?? So for me, on litmus test is depth/range. Dude really does cover all genres short of classical with proficiency at lhe least and genius at best, with lots of "middle of the range" stuff others would die to have in their catalogue. Answer is no for me

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Reply #14 posted 11/11/14 11:09am

KaresB

datdude said:

Dude really does cover all genres short of classical with proficiency at lhe least and genius at best, with lots of "middle of the range" stuff others would die to have in their catalogue.


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oh man, really??... you don't know much about music, do you... biggrin

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Reply #15 posted 11/11/14 11:11am

novabrkr

Of course not. Prince is the best.

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Reply #16 posted 11/11/14 11:20am

Ego101

Prince can hang w/ anybody musically...

he cant beat everybody though..

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Reply #17 posted 11/11/14 11:23am

Se7en

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Paul McCartney would be the only one I would equate with Prince in terms of everything: songwriting, musicianship, showmanship, singing voice, style, etc.

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Of course Prince is a shadow of his former self, but his former self was SO amazing and brilliant that even the shadow is still noteworthy.

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I would say MJ, but anyone in consideration must also be a proficient musician.

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Reply #18 posted 11/11/14 11:25am

Se7en

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datdude said:

i'm sorry but where is Bob Dylan's Housequake or James Brown's Dinner With Delores, Hendrix's Do Me Baby or Joni's Anne Christian?? So for me, on litmus test is depth/range. Dude really does cover all genres short of classical with proficiency at lhe least and genius at best, with lots of "middle of the range" stuff others would die to have in their catalogue. Answer is no for me

You had me until you name-dropped Dinner With Delores . . .

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Reply #19 posted 11/11/14 11:45am

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datdude said:

i'm sorry but where is Bob Dylan's Housequake or James Brown's Dinner With Delores, Hendrix's Do Me Baby or Joni's Anne Christian?? So for me, on litmus test is depth/range. Dude really does cover all genres short of classical with proficiency at lhe least and genius at best, with lots of "middle of the range" stuff others would die to have in their catalogue. Answer is no for me


Dylan beats Prince when it comes to songwriting, but Prince beats Dylan when it comes to showmanship. James Brown beat Prince when it came to showmanship, but Prince beats James Brown when it came to songwriting. Comparing musicians like this makes no sense at all and stops you from enjoying the music.
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Reply #20 posted 11/11/14 11:56am

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Let me think...entire body of work, the career achievements, longevity, musicianship, range and depth of talent, influence, originality, and overall relevance to real music. hmmm

Ladies and gentlemen, introducing:

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #21 posted 11/11/14 12:22pm

pdiddy2011

I don't think anyone has been BETTER than Prince, as far as popular music goes.

If Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney are considered as forerunners to the question, it has to be noted that they dropped down quite a peg in their "old age" just as Prince has been accused of. We can't look at them with Rose-colored glasses on as though they were at their peak for 40 years.

Tbo, I don't get the Paul McCartney praise. He has insane longevity, but...

Stevie is definitely worthy, but he stuck with his mostly only one genre for his whole career. He was excellent at it, I know. But when you think Stevie, you pretty much are stuck in RnB or Soul. You think Prince, you can be in RnB, Soul, Rock, Jazz, Dance, etc.

And I wouldn't even consider Michael Jackson - even though I am a BIG fan. He didn't write most of his stuff and I believe most of his biggest hits were written by someone else. And obviously, he didn't have much to do with playing any music. I do admit, though, he was EXCELLENT at what he did.

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Reply #22 posted 11/11/14 12:28pm

Pentacle

pdiddy2011 said:

Tbo, I don't get the Paul McCartney praise. He has insane longevity, but...


Just to keep it simple: first listen to Kamasutra.

Take a few aspirins.

Then listen to Standing Stone.

Stop the Prince Apologists ™
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Reply #23 posted 11/11/14 12:39pm

SchlomoThaHomo

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Let me think...entire body of work, the career achievements, longevity, musicianship, range and depth of talent, influence, originality, and overall relevance to real music. hmmm



Ladies and gentlemen, introducing:







After seeing his SITKOL performance at MSG, I might be inclined to agree. I've never had an experience like that at a Prince show or any show for that matter. And I've been seeing Prince since Lovesexy. Truly transcendent in a way I've never seen.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #24 posted 11/11/14 12:43pm

HatrinaHaterwi
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pdiddy2011 said:

I don't think anyone has been BETTER than Prince, as far as popular music goes.

If Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney are considered as forerunners to the question, it has to be noted that they dropped down quite a peg in their "old age" just as Prince has been accused of. We can't look at them with Rose-colored glasses on as though they were at their peak for 40 years.

Tbo, I don't get the Paul McCartney praise. He has insane longevity, but...

Stevie is definitely worthy, but he stuck with his mostly only one genre for his whole career. He was excellent at it, I know. But when you think Stevie, you pretty much are stuck in RnB or Soul. You think Prince, you can be in RnB, Soul, Rock, Jazz, Dance, etc.

And I wouldn't even consider Michael Jackson - even though I am a BIG fan. He didn't write most of his stuff and I believe most of his biggest hits were written by someone else. And obviously, he didn't have much to do with playing any music. I do admit, though, he was EXCELLENT at what he did.

http://www.billboard.com/...ts-most-no

Hot 100: Top 100 Artists

1 THE BEATLES
2 MADONNA
3 ELTON JOHN
4 ELVIS PRESLEY
5 MARIAH CAREY
6 STEVIE WONDER
7 JANET JACKSON
8 MICHAEL JACKSON
9 WHITNEY HOUSTON
10 THE ROLLING STONES
11 PAUL MCCARTNEY/WINGS
12 BEE GEES
13 CHICAGO
14 USHER
15 RIHANNA
16 THE SUPREMES
17 DARYL HALL JOHN OATES
18 PRINCE
Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #25 posted 11/11/14 12:44pm

dandan

Personally I don't think there's anyone quite as incredible as Prince was in his day.

Stevie and Macca are on the same level though of course

I got two sides... and they're both friends.
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Reply #26 posted 11/11/14 12:49pm

dandan

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

pdiddy2011 said:

I don't think anyone has been BETTER than Prince, as far as popular music goes.

If Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney are considered as forerunners to the question, it has to be noted that they dropped down quite a peg in their "old age" just as Prince has been accused of. We can't look at them with Rose-colored glasses on as though they were at their peak for 40 years.

Tbo, I don't get the Paul McCartney praise. He has insane longevity, but...

Stevie is definitely worthy, but he stuck with his mostly only one genre for his whole career. He was excellent at it, I know. But when you think Stevie, you pretty much are stuck in RnB or Soul. You think Prince, you can be in RnB, Soul, Rock, Jazz, Dance, etc.

And I wouldn't even consider Michael Jackson - even though I am a BIG fan. He didn't write most of his stuff and I believe most of his biggest hits were written by someone else. And obviously, he didn't have much to do with playing any music. I do admit, though, he was EXCELLENT at what he did.

http://www.billboard.com/...ts-most-no

Hot 100: Top 100 Artists

1 THE BEATLES
2 MADONNA
3 ELTON JOHN
4 ELVIS PRESLEY
5 MARIAH CAREY
6 STEVIE WONDER
7 JANET JACKSON
8 MICHAEL JACKSON
9 WHITNEY HOUSTON
10 THE ROLLING STONES
11 PAUL MCCARTNEY/WINGS
12 BEE GEES
13 CHICAGO
14 USHER
15 RIHANNA
16 THE SUPREMES
17 DARYL HALL JOHN OATES
18 PRINCE


Completely irrelevant list. The person you replied to is saying they don't think there's anyone better than Prince in the realm of popular music and artists, meaning they are not including classical musicians and such.

I got two sides... and they're both friends.
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Reply #27 posted 11/11/14 12:49pm

HatrinaHaterwi
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SchlomoThaHomo said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Let me think...entire body of work, the career achievements, longevity, musicianship, range and depth of talent, influence, originality, and overall relevance to real music. hmmm

Ladies and gentlemen, introducing:

After seeing his SITKOL performance at MSG, I might be inclined to agree. I've never had an experience like that at a Prince show or any show for that matter. And I've been seeing Prince since Lovesexy. Truly transcendent in a way I've never seen.

I'll be seeing SITKOL on the 20th and I really cannot wait to see it! excited

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Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #28 posted 11/11/14 12:50pm

SchlomoThaHomo

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Let me think...entire body of work, the career achievements, longevity, musicianship, range and depth of talent, influence, originality, and overall relevance to real music. hmmm



Ladies and gentlemen, introducing:







After seeing his SITKOL performance at MSG, I might be inclined to agree. I've never had an experience like that at a Prince show or any show for that matter. And I've been seeing Prince since Lovesexy. Truly transcendent in a way I've never seen.



I'll be seeing SIKOL on the 20th and I really cannot wait to see it! excited



Bring some tissue.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #29 posted 11/11/14 1:00pm

HatrinaHaterwi
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SchlomoThaHomo said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I'll be seeing SIKOL on the 20th and I really cannot wait to see it! excited

Bring some tissue.

If he made y'all cry in NYC - I'm in Detroit - I'm going to need a whole box! excited excited

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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